Militant Atheist Response

[SiGhast]

Wow. You don't look or act the same today. You seem very humble here.

[Silentsam7532]

my favourite thing to point out to christians who say that Nazi's where atheists is that teh Nazi belt buckle had "Gott Mit Uns" written on it. This of course means "God With Us" and should show quite well that they were christian.

I myself know it because I knew a German soldier who lived through the second world war and he knows they where christians.

[FongLin100]

@Silentsam7532 OMG, u have seriously not done your history homework. "Gott mit uns" has been the motto of the German army ever since the SECOND REICH, aka the German Empire. The term was not coined by the nazis, and second hitler even told his friend and architect Albert Speer that Islam and Budhism were more superior than Christianity.

[Silentsam7532]

@FongLin100 Yes, yu strengthen my point. They were a christian nation. Hitler was not an atheist, and atheism had nothing to do with WW2.

[BraniusBalki]

Look up Bosnian genocide and talk again how islam is less violent than christianity. The fanatics are to be feared across the board because their actions (they believe) are not their own but are some supernatural force that guides them. You cannot rationally argue a point with someone who is fanatical in their beliefs, believe in what you want folks just dont darken my day with your nonsense.

[zippythewildone]

Intelligence is so fucking sexy.

[FongLin100]

@zippythewildone Apparently this guy isn't

[zippythewildone]

@FongLin100 Why do you say that?

[yegibro]

wow you did your researce well xD stupid fuck

[vbirdieb]

In all these historical events there's one thing that is a constant, MAN. Regardless of their belief, they were grasping for control over a society of people. Not for a equal and fair society but total control. You don't have to have religion for that (communism for example), but they certianly will use it to their advantage. Jesus spoke out against the pharasises (the highest authority for the jews) they were oppressing the people, for money, & power over them. WHAT??? you say, it's true.

[voodooy2k]

This is a terrible response. The monotone and lack of identifiers as to whether the creator of this video is giving his opinion or reading someone else's. Very muddled.

[123backinyerface]

@voodooy2k I thought the same thing.

[shaunzutube]

Hey man, If you dont stop bashing christianity im going to have my imaginary friend up above kill you. He has super powers. Haven't you read the book about him? Its probably my favorite comic book..."The Holy Bible"

[corwin11412]

@shaunzutube I will pray for you.

[tony38727]

@corwin11412 good luck 99.999% never effect anything.

[iversonmatthew]

"Im so tired of you people referring to past offenses in the name of Christianity, as Christianity."

Should we talk about present ones then? Waco? Jim Jones? The list does go on. How about the lesser offenses like lying to people? The institutionalized molesting of kids?

Religion is just plain stupid and for the weak and ignorant minded.

Our world and species would be so much better off with no religion at all. Rational, logic and reason should be what we follow.

[todd8888able]

Im so tired of you people referring to past offenses in the name of Christianity, as Christianity. Just because a person an organization or a group of people invoke Jesus to promote their agendasdo not make them Christians. Read your history and I mean read it closely and then you will learn your arguments about Christianity being a violent religion are silly and misinformed.

[darktaz]

@todd8888able there are various mentions of murder, rape and genocide in being commited in god's name IN THE BIBLE though. Explain that good sir.

[bambiistkrieg]

death to everyone who says religion is violent!! lol

[monkeyssomejerk]

ROFL at the comments on this vid.

[JAMRAND]

To make the blanket statement that God does not exist is imbecilic.

Anti theist ARE responsible for the majority of lives , and freedoms lost this past century.

Try thinking about that.

[Proletariat12]

Why don't YOU try thinking about it before spewing your idiotic comments.

[Proletariat12]

Well when your comment is so fundamentally wrong all I can say really is.... NO.... You are wrong.

It's the opposite of that, it's quite the opposite...

[nothinsnew]

You might wanna try thinking. Period.

[Penguinz13989]

Holy shit, you've taken idiocy to a whole new level!

[Penguinz13989]

Ahh nice response, thank you for helping me make my point.

[BrianTotse]

If you believe that non-religious people have caused more deaths throughout history than Religious people, you simply haven't done research.

[easternbiker47]

@BrianTotse than back that up with some evidence. its easy to throw around words but show some research on the matter

[BrianTotse]

If you wanted to know, you'd go educate yourself. You just want an argument, and I don't care to pretend that this up for dispute.

[easternbiker47]

I honestly don't want to argue with you because i know that internet arguments, especially ones dealing with subject matter such as this go nowhere. all i am saying is if you are going to make a statement like that you really need to show some proof. i have done my research on the matter, which is why i was asking for some evidence. maybe you could enlighten me.

[JAMRAND]

Everytime I hear someone quote Hitlers public statements or writtings as evidence of his christianity I wonder

HOW STUPID ARE YOU!!!!!!!

You have learned another falsehood from anti theist propaganda.

There are over 150 bound volumes of testimony from his intimates that Hitlers true intention was to destroy christianity held at Cornell. You can access them at Rutgers Journal of Law and Religion.

Atheism cannot be responsible for stalin Pol pot etc. But anti theism can be.

cont.

[butcheressofabughrai]

The rise of atheists today where hatred and intolerance of religion is banded about is considered acceptable opposition and condemnation. They get to kill religion, take down God, live up to the ideals of atheism, be seen as a hero. But to be able to accept the sacred right and freedom of worship our heroes fought and died for, and to be able to get over their theophobia and get on with life without devoting it to attacking religion, that takes real guts, that makes them a hero.

[bossman103]

Religion does cause war greed and land ownership cause more deaths and war then religion

[jmurra03]

To reply to your comment about atheists not killing over religion. then what the hell was the red terror in Spain during their civil war? What the hell was the league of the godless doing in russia blowing up churches and Synagogues. Why did communist officials quickly kill influential priests?

[meridianfrost]

*sigh*...I am constantly in awe of individuals who so easily neglect the subtle, and obvious nuances of history. Red Terror? You mean scores of people oppressed by a tyrannical religious government? What symbols would you destroy to make your point in that kind of conflict? And it is also worth mentioning, that not all who participated in the red terror were secular, or athiest for that matter. They were just tired of the government starving them, and killing their children.

[jmurra03]

What? the red terror in spain was almost exclusively used for the attacks on clergy and churches by radical atheists. There is a difference between the spanish republic and the red terror. the red terror was a series of atrocities committed by republican forces before the central gov't exerted control over them. Also the spanish republic was in control before the civil war so any hunger was caused by them not the catholic church.

[balderdash707]

Ignoring your obvious and complete ignorance of economics, you're still wrong. The red terror was no more a radical atheist movement than any of the communist revolutions.

[jmurra03]

despite the red in the name only a plurality of the perpetrators of the red terror were communists. so that would be one major difference and their would be also that farmers in general supported the catholic church in spain and were persecuted and murdered during the red terror while in russia peasants were religious but viewed the church as corrupt in general. I really don't see what the religious component of the red terror has to do with economics. poor peasants were killed along with clergy

[jmurra03]

dude why must you revert to accusing me of willfully ignoring historical facts? I'll cite my damn sources if you want they are all scholarly reviewed. also i notice that the only problem you could find in any of my comments was the spanish red terror(making all the others stand) and i believe that is because you think i was talking about the Russian Red Terror.

[jmurra03]

also a good note is that it was not symbols destroyed during the red terror but instead all males attending catholic mass in certain areas as well as bourgeois elements

[jmurra03]

so i take it your arrogance has worn off after being confronted by a history major that's more interested in accuracy then ideology?

[FongLin100]

@meridianfrost So what? That doesn't affect the overall idea of Communism.

[jmurra03]

Your views on muslims are not even bordering on bigorty anymore. You don't even mention countries like Bosnia and Turkey that are muslim majority yet relatively 1st world. Your beliefs on the inherent violence related to religion can only be applied to a few religions. Judaism does not fit that and before you mention Israel. Zionism was founded by theodore herzl and he was an atheist. Daoism would be another. Zorastrianism, Beiheism, ETC. To summarize ISlam and christianity is it.

[gizdaleroy]

ur taking it 2 ez on what human nature is.I believe if the monsters u menchend were atheist they still would have committed those atrocities.thier religion did not make them do it thier nature did.I think u r putting 2 much blame on religion and 2 little on human nature.even if the hole world was atheist there would be bad ppl,ppl that only could b described as evil think of the history of easter island that could b seen as logical because of over crowding ppl r oppressive manipulative and crule

[jmurra03]

He's wrong altogether. Atheists have committed murders in order to further their goals of a religionless society. mostly in communist countries.

[gizdaleroy]

yes I have noticed that some atheist try to denie that fact but I think its because in these settings it could be taken as if you are saying all atheist are like that.I am shure you can find good ppl who are atheist who can care less about what you believe and get an opinion of you based on the person you are and not what your belief system is.if every one could do that the world would be a better place.bad things were done by ppl of religion and atheism that is a historical fact.time to move on

[jimmydoolittle22]

Atheism isn't not a belief system, it's just a word to describe people who don't believe the claim some people make that there is a god. Religions actually have beliefs that they teach and SOME people will kill because of those specific beliefs. You cannot kill in the name of not believing in bigfoot. You cannot kill in the name of not believing in UFOs. You cannot kill in the name of not believing in unicorns. You cannot kill in the name of not believing in Zeus.

[gizdaleroy]

not true remember sam harris kill billions to get to a hand full of bad ones , euthanize ppl of faith because they are a danger , so far its only talk frome the fringes of atheism but thats how it always starts and thats where the double standard is . in some ppl's minds only ppl of faith are capable of hate speech if eny other group advocates violence againts another its a crime but if its an atheist its soon forgoten and disregarded ppl that advocates hate eventually act on thier promises

[jimmydoolittle22]

The word atheist shouldn't even exist. You don't believe in bigfoot right? Do we call you an abigfootist? What do abigfootists have in common besides simply not believing bigfoot exists? Does this tell us anything about them other than they simply don't accept that 1claim? Please try to understand the point I'm making because it's an important one. Your lack of belief in fire breathing dragons doens't tell me anything about you except you don't believe dragons exist.

[jimmydoolittle22]

Please tell me how my lack of belief in Zeus could cause me to do anything at all. I don't believe in Poseidon either. Could that be a reason to kill people? It's possible that an atheist could kill religious people but it couldn't be CAUSED by his lack of belief in a god no more than it could be caused by his lack of belief in mermaids.

[gizdaleroy]

there is a well known atheist who says ppl of faith are such a danger to society that they should be youthenized or institutionalized now lets revers that if a person of faith had said that about atheist ( and I know they have and worst ) would that be hate speech . . . YES it would . that is not hard to understand why are you pretending it is

[jimmydoolittle22]

You're confusing correlation with causation. The guy you're talking about might not believe dragons exist either but is that the cause of his believe that certain people should be euthanized?

[gizdaleroy]

hitler got germans to believe jues were a danger to them , the kkk gets whites to believe blacks are a danger to them . so yes there are militant atheist that aspouse shuch things because they see ppl of faith as a danger to the point of wanting to do harm to them and so full of hate as to go out of thier way to hurt through words and to hell with civil interaction . bad things happen when one group of ppl can justify treeting another in a way that humanity dictates , no matter what differences

[gizdaleroy]

sorry ment to say

bad things happen when one group of ppl can justify treeting another in a way thats LESS then humanity dictates , no matter what differences

[jimmydoolittle22]

We don't have to use our imaginations to imagine that scenario. The BIBLE and Q'URAN do preach hatred of non-believers. Do you want me to quote chapter and verse?

[jmurra03]

Go for it. Hadiths don't count as part of the Koran and in christianity the New testament completely replaces the old so if you are trying to knock christianity you'll have to hit the new testament. If you're trying to knock judiasm then keep in mind zionism was created by a Jewish atheist and other then that we've been peacfull for the last 3000 or so years.

[angrymuslimgirl]

If there WERE people who believed in Zeus or Poseidon, and you advocated killing those people, THEN it would be relevant.

[jimmydoolittle22]

Yeah, advocating killing people is generally considered to be a bad idea. Is your point that killing innocent people is bad? If so then we agree.

[angrymuslimgirl]

Of course I must agree with you, as it is a Quranic dictate to preserve innocent life very carefully. Killing one single innocent soul carries the same punishment as killing every single human being that has ever lived since the beginning of time. I certainly do not want this punishment, God willing. I mean can you imagine? How many humans have lived? Trillions? More? What comes after trillions?

[jimmydoolittle22]

I wouldn't kill someone because it would be wrong, not because of any threat of punishment.

[angrymuslimgirl]

OK, that's great. The problem is that people DO kill each other, every single day. Every single day hundreds, probably thousands of people, DON'T make the right choice. For whatever reason, they make the decision that they can't control themselves just because it is wrong. Once violence and chaos begins, people become something less than civilized commentators. I wish everyone COULD do things just because it was right. Unfortunately, I do not feel this is reality.

[jimmydoolittle22]

How about when the Q'uran advocates killing non-believers? What is your position on that?

[angrymuslimgirl]

Fair question. I don't believe that it actually does. Meaning, it does not mean kill non believers forever and for all time going forward. It was referring to a specific group of people who were oppressors and thieves and it also very clearly states that if *any* of them sought peace, peace should be made

*immediately* with that person. For the most part, Muslims have understood it in this sense. Even during conquest and empire, non believers have been given freedom of religion and life.

[jimmydoolittle22]

Not in Saudi Arabia.

[angrymuslimgirl]

If you are referring specifically to modern day Saudi Arabia, you may be correct. But of all the Muslims who have lived in the last 1400, what proportion are the Saudis? Even in modernity, they make up a very small percentage. Only, I believe, 18% of Muslims are Arab and that includes all Arabic speaking countries like Iraq, Lebanon, Kuwait, Oman, Egypt, Morocco, Qatar, Jordan, Yemen, Palestine, Algeria, Tunisia, Mauritania (iffy), Bahrain. Who are the other 82%? Asian, African, European etc.

[jmurra03]

under your logic shouldn't theist or religion not be words either given the extreme broadness of beliefs between different people following different religions?

[randompedestrian382]

while Stalin and Mau were atheist, they did not do the things they did in the name of atheism. There was no religious reason for those genocides, rather a personal one. In things like the crusades, witch trials, etc it was solely based on a religious goal by the masses.

[jmurra03]

yes they did. why else would mao have emptied many monastaries and stalin sent thousands of clergy members to gulags. Stalin also destroyed thousands of churches and let the society of the godless do whatever they wanted. also check out the red terror in spain. communists and anarchists killed religious people indiscriminate of their political orientation.

[randompedestrian382]

These things were done for power control. Communist leaders had a threat from the church because control would be split between them and the people. The whole communist revolution was radicalized with the ideas of breaking free from chains of government control, Ironically, and the leaders played off of this to gain more power. Religion was not a motive. Power was.

"society of the godless"

Now you're just being an ass

[jmurra03]

""society of the godless" now your just being an ass" how so that was a real instituion in the Soviet Union?

If it were the case then why did waves of religious descrimination come during the reigns of khrushchev and stalin? mao and lenin would be the only leaders this could be the case under. Atheism is an integral part of marxist-Leninist and stalinist ideology. If collectivism taught the west anything ideology was more important than practicality.

[jmurra03]

you still haven't come up with any reasoning for the red terror in spain other then militant atheistic fervor.

[jimmydoolittle22]

Mao killed because he didn't believe in Zeus. People who don't believe in Zeus are killers.

[jmurra03]

I understand what you mean and that is not my point. My point is that any belief strong enough that you will kill over unprovoked is problem and this is not just a problem associated with faith but also with the lack of faith. It shows a lot that you didn't read all my posts and just assume that i hate atheists. also i'd rather you didn't mock me.

[ll2nycell]

i don't see muslims having their families gather at a picnic, eating brunch on a sunday while all the men women and children laugh at the "Nig" they "Pic"ked while he was hanging by his neck to death. They also didn't cut off penises and stick it in the mouths in front of the children that weren't thrown into the rivers as little babies.

[jmurra03]

no a lot muslims did do stuff like that they just did it to the kike instead. Jews in arabic lands have been abused for centuries.

[epiclalz]

Most overused atheist word: "irrational"

Anybody who opposes atheist ideas are "irrational"

You are weakening the word in my opinion.

[Doublebug1]

You're just irrational in my opinion... lol

You are right about that, even TheAmazingAtheist finds this "rational" crap irritating.

[ll2nycell]

then i'm gonna say white people are dangerous. Simply look at the facts, they've taken over countries, including america when the native americans lived here for no reason other than to make it their own. They've single handedly dismantled the black civilization and enslaved them for 400 years, promised 40 acres and a mule, and have done nothing toward the sort. White people have the most dangerous, villainous, heinous history of everyone.

[KenMacMillan]

What about the fact that there wasn't a single "black civiliztion" to be dismantled? Africa consisted of hundreds of tribes, in essence hundreds of civiliztaions most of which still survive today in one form or another. What about the fact that many of these african tribes captured & sold their rival tribes to the non-white portugese who started the african slave trade? The USA only bought 10% of the slaves that came out of africa, the other 90% went to south america.

[jmurra03]

portuguese are white there buddy

[jmurra03]

If you think that Larger black civilizations like mali and songhai didn't abuse smaller civilizations and sell other blacks into slavery then you need to stop reading books published by NOI. also read about arabic history they did some violent evil stuff to the natives of iraq, north africa, the levant and other places. think about it arabs are from the arabian puinisula why do they now occupy 1/3rd of the world

[ll2nycell]

hey aryan brotherhood, are you seriously trying to say that under the author of this video's(which you seem to support) guidelines to judging a race of people, white people aren't the most dangerous motherfuckers on the planet? who brought the drugs into black neighborhoods?(youtube gary webb) who created aids(youtube it) and what race was killing black men, raping black wives, and drowning black babies? is that not atrocious you fucking morons? google all of this shit you crackers

[jmurra03]

I don't support this video and the aryan nation is much more interested in killing my kind then people of african descent so fuck you. you don't judge races of people, thats called racism. Judge individuals based on their own merits. Aids was a disease present in chimps before humans so close human contact to chimps caused the mutation of aids to affect humans(most disease are from close contact to different animals).

[jmurra03]

many "races" have killed black men and raped black women. Most drugs come from latin america? look at the sudanese arabs now. arabic slave traders. chinese slaves. I understand that some pretty horrible things have happened to your ancestors and maybe even you but don't let that make you into a hate filled aryan nation type. The concept of race is false as there is more variation between the members of a single race then members of other races. for instance berbers and tuareg.

[joebot1]

er.......you would really go as far as saying that "Muslims" are dangerous?. Islam might well be dangerous, but to say that Muslims are dangerous implies that all Muslims are dangerous, that's going to far surly!.

I have no love of Islam, I can tell you that for free, but I wouldn't presume to tar all |Muslims with the same radical, extremist brush?

[creepsomber]

You are right of course, but he did say, "in general". A generalization acts as a sort of communicational lubricant, in that it states a general rule or idea (hence the name) and at the same time assumes that the audience is intelligent enough to see for themselves where the exceptions lie. I don't think meridianfrost is making a wild claim here, just a simple generalization. We've become to obsessed with demonizing the concept of the generalization.

[creepsomber]

Given the ridiculous, misogynistic, despotic, and just plain ultra-violent tenets of islam, certainly a small measure of caution is not inappropriate. In fact, the singular, dominating nature of islam is comparable with modern racism, which, interestingly, (and I don't disagree) is perfectly ok to hate completely and utterly. I'm not sure islam and those who practice it are entitled to much in the way of consideration. Understanding, education, sure, but not this mitigating consideration.

[creepsomber]

Islam's dominating, violent, oppressive nature is absolutely on par with modern racist ideology, and kills a hell of a lot more people, yet it is "ok" to publicly, and completely, (and I don't disagree) hate racism. Surly at least a small measure of concern is in order when dealing with any muslim--Understanding and education should always be involved in our approach, they ARE human beings of course, but caution, given the horrific nature of their beliefs, is totally justified.

[creepsomber]

I love how yt makes you think that your post did not "take", so you post again, your prior post "takes", and you end up looking like an idiot that repeats himself. Bravo. So, sorry for the double post.

[noman953]

These issues could have been resolved through intellectual debate if the US hadn't installed a dictator in Iraq.

[noman953]

nearly all the muslim violence in the world can be traced back to saudi arabia who encourage wahabism and seperation from the fiqh sciences and other tools of rationality that came with Islam and instead promote a nutty philosophy of supremism and yes thanks to various dealings with the US and Britain there is much money for the Saudis to use to further fund extremism. you can send me a message and I can further explain the issues to you.

[jmurra03]

then explain why the al-qaeda fallows Qutbism and al-qaeda's stated goal is to overthrow the gov't od saudi arabia

[kurtilein3]

this video is just genious. i like your other videos, but this one goes to my favourites.

[Katalyzt]

Cool video...

Katalyzt

[vittorio203]

Interesting Video, i will make a response soon, sorry if i take a little while, i have misplaced my mic.

peace.