The funny thing about people that try to find free energy is that they spend all their time trying to make something spin, rather than do actual work. It you remove friction and air resistance from the picture, a disc will spin forever, without a motor, a magnet, or anything else. It won't, however, spin forever and actually power anything.
Perpetual motion machines are not physically possible. In a matter universe, there will always be friction to ruin the best laid plans.
I am, however, very pleased at your honest attempt. You are doing genuine science by attempting to build a device and allowing it to stand on it's own merits rather than building a scam with hidden motors or some such rubbish.
If perpetual motion is in fact possible, it is this kind of work that will find it. Don't get your hopes up, though.
@attheveryend Maybe not a perpetual motor but how about a motor that generates electricity very steadily and then uses a very small amount of that energy to restart the motion stopped by friction ? Electromagnets unlike permanent magnets can have power disproportionate to their size and weight so it can be moved with more torque and speed and with less bulk and weight, making things like this much more efficient at actually working.
Where will the electromagnet get it's power? The generator is expelling electricity by the work done on it to keep it moving. Electromagnetic induction used to turn motion of one object into an electric current in another already resists the motion of the object, so in order to generate anything at all, a force must be overcome. In a perfect world where there is no friction, the most any such motor could do is simply keep itself spinning and do nothing else. It would be useless.
@attheveryend It gets the power from the electricity being generated, given that there is some initial energy powering the elctromagnets at first. Electromagnets can be small and light-weight but very powerful, actually disproportionately powerful, unlike permanent magnets, so it wouldn't take much power to turn them and generate an electric current. Similar things have been done before, it's now just about finding the most efficient method of doing it.
As far as I can tell, the energy used on the arm to stop the left disc from spinning around would be larger than the energy applied to the right disc's spinning motion.
Therefore this construction would always stop.
Interesting approach though, I must admit.
I guess you would have to separate the two disc's again.
Now the question is:
Is there any way the energy used to wiggle the left disc (electrically or otherwise) could be less than the energy the right disc produces?
This is the best perpetual motion protoype I have seen yet. Get the measurements down and put the plans on the internet to people can make bigger models!
well done! have you thought of using a clock spring on your single-magnet disc, to help it return and stay balanced? this would look amazing using a pendulum, all mounted on a vertical plane.
hello I would like to use your idea for a test run if you can tell us your name so we can site you as will as give us as much research you have in this area we will most appreciate it contact me at moehawkman366@gmail.com
on your single magnet disk, try a slightly smaller magnet positioned at 4 O'clock and reverse the polarity from the other magnet. 12 O'clock being the pin or screw.
I like your idea. I have a theory that I intend to test some day that will put a magnet on both sides of the spiral magnet disc so the disc doesn't have to rotate completely before getting another boost. Also, attaching the two discs with a rod simply puts a load on the spiral disc the whole time it's turning instead of on just a small part of the rotation. Everyone says it can't be done, but it has to be fun trying to find out.
@dancroush Even you can say that it can't be done. In involves only a little math to show that your idea doesn't work. Troll back through my comments here and you will find comments where I explain how you can do it.
it seams like the right side is moving faster then the left side so why not use gear ratio differnce to make one side move faster and the peice of plastic to the left side and the gear
@edojh96 I am going to suggest that you think about your own suggestion a little further. Remember that:
Work = Force (dot) Distance
(dot) means you multiply the components that are parallel. In the case of gears, it is easy to see that you can ignore thrusts along the shaft and look only at turning forces (torque). Gears let you trade Force for Distance back and forth but the Work (ignoring losses) is constant. I think you will quickly see the error in your suggestion.
it seams like the right side is moving faster then the rignt side so why not use gear ratio differnce to make one side move faster and the peice of plastic to the left side and the gear
but i like the fact that you come up with your own ideas (rather then the same failed BS over and over again) and that you dont lie about the results. keep it up, and dont give in to the scammers (mylow, bedini, searl, newman ect.) keep comeing up with your own ideas and trying. great work
@tomrager11 Better yet, go do something useful. Way earlier in the comments I explained why such a machine can never work. It is like putting bigger wheels on the back of car so it is always rolling down hill. The idea doesn't work for red cars, blue cars or green cars.
@paradoxof3z I suspect that by now the maker of this video understands that this idea doesn't lead to anything useful. Hopefully he is now off doing something that may result in something useful. No amount of mechanical wizardry can save the idea because it fails at a fundamental level. No such machine ever can produce energy. No matter how complex you make it.
@knowledgemonger there are more useless things in the world. Keep in mind that failing is the majority of experimentation. It is my philosophy that the only useless endevor is the one that you walk away from just as ignorant as when you began.
@paradoxof3z I know from experience that the great bulk of experiments fail. I was pointing out that this machine and all like it can never produce energy. If your purpose is to produce energy any time you spend on this is by definition wasted. You have not walked away from this but because you can only do one thing at a time, you have left some other things unexplored. Among them may be the answer.
measure the distance " in radius" that the magnet moves manually at desired rpm. Use a small pin and a stored energy source aka rubber bands, thin pieces of metal, a spring, etc....! to bounce it back into the field! Dont attach the linkage! too much load!peace my brotha...!
use some metal dust to check the magnetic fields at diferent points and pic an angle of crossover for the angle that best pushes across the field...use the lightest and strongest magnets you can find!
measure the distance " in radius" that the magnet moves manually at desired rpm. Use a small pin and a stored energy source aka rubber bands, thin pieces of metal, a spring, etc....! to bounce it back into the field! Dont attach the linkage! too much load!peace my brotha...!
It seems an efficient motor could be derived from this. Minimize the motion of the prime magnet. Ideally, reduce its motion to pure spin. Accomplish this with a levitation design (for the prime magnet) and you'd have something.
@pomc I have already explained why it can never work. I suggest you try to come up with the reason without looking back though the comments or otherwise getting the information from someone else. It is likely you already know enough to do the proof your self.
At least he says it doesnt work. Any closed system seems to have this. Only one solution is a joint effort and it must include open systems and quantum. Dark energy, may have some potential too.
Here is an insight... you are losing too much energy by moving the large magnet back and forth. It needs to move in a countinuous direction (circle), not like a piston. Yes the idea is an interesting approach. but the distance from the center of rotation for both screws should be close to the same for both screws. I recomend using a middle "gear" to accomplish such a task, as it does not have to be measured perfectly to transfer energy between the two points. Good luck. Nice Work.
@CharleyMac259 I suggest you think more deeply about the idea before offering suggestions. It doesn't matter what pattern any of the magnets are moving in. You skipped right past the most important issue in the whole idea.
The force between two magnetic poles is always along a line between the two poles. The size of the force depends on the current position (not the history).
@knowledgemonger I suggest you think about suggestions on how to get it to work instead of suggesting others to think about their own suggestions.. it's just a suggestion..
@pedrocatalao I have already explained that it can never work. There is no way it can work. This is the reason I suggest to those proposing ways to improve on it that they think again. It is like someone suggested that you can make a car go forwards by putting bigger wheels on the back so it will always be rolling down hill.
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i have seen some perpetuial magnet matieans that i dont see why they wouldnt work, but with this one i think the resistance of the sesawing magnet is the same as the resistance to the spinning magnest so they are the same this means the force to cause the sesawing is counteracted by the force to rotate it.
hmm... looks like the most productive action is within that 1 inch movement on the left. if you had some sort of gearing mechanism to limit that movement and have it connect to the right side, so it forces the reset of the left magnet to a start position, then "maybe" it might work right.
good concept though! we'll figure this stuff out eventually!
maybe if you cruved the shaft and found the right angle you could do something like that get the general Idea. more power to you man or you could make a part for it some how like on the trians like you said
@ButlerSONG Stop and think very carefully. You can prove without any higher math that your idea won't work. I will give you a little hint to start. Assume that the disk had only one magnetic pole on it. What would the average torque over one full rotation be with a stationary magnet somewhere nearby. Think through a couple of cases. One the mirror image of the other.
Great idea. The timing seems a bit off in my opinion, if the single magnet was to move out of the way earlier and then closer soon after the beginning of the spiral passed it, there might be a better chance of seeing any sort of continuous movement. I'd like to know what you think or if you've improved off of it at all!
@midnightclubII Really the timing doesn't matter. The idea can never work no matter the timing. You can prove this to your self if you are willing to spend a little time on it. The trick is to consider what happens when you move a single magnetic pole in a magnetic field. Look at the force on the pole and the rate of change in energy in the magnetic field. You will see that single pole case is fairly easy to disprove. From there it is: any collection of poles can be done one by one.
I would like to know the magnet pole orientations. I'm assuming that like poles are causing the repulsive movement. Also curious about what lies under the disks, allowing them to rotate so easily, Please respond
Have you tried spinning the wheels perpendicular to one another, linked by means of a shaft and two gears. The left wheel, with one magnet,vertically spinning ccw or away from you. The right wheel, horizontally, spinning cw. Just curious?
yes i had this idea on the nearly same scale years ago. and it did work only after i had a dream. i used milk to make it work yes reg. D milk the shap is correct but may be of center by a small fraction and myn was solid sahped like that . inportant hoe the pivt shuld be center of the main 6ying and yang two of them thoeth milk under the main one on rt. whoe knows maybe itl cancle out hte ectra magnetic forces and keep the flow going.
the way you put that bar is upside down... you need to time it right and you need to have the same weight of magnets on both wheels...and they both need to have the same polarity force
I think it's not easy to trick a low of a conservation of energy :-) But just one guess, left wheel shoul rotate, not move back-forward, because you loose too much energy on that stop-go movements because of mass.
I think it's not easy to trick a low of a conservation of energy :-) But just one guess, left wheel shoul rotate, not move back-forward, because you loose too much energy on that stop-go movements because of mass.
I think it's not easy to trick a low of a conservation of energy :-) But just one guess, left wheel shoul rotate, not move back-forward, because you loose too much energy on that stop-go movements because of mass.
Take a Hard drive apart, use that magnet. Extremely powerful magnet. Fine tuning.. bet it would work. small modifications. Cool though. ty for sharing.
Hook up a motor to the left CD, so you can control its rotational speed. Instead of you spinning the CD back and forth, you could hook up a feedback control loop, so the left CD's rotational rate is a function of the right CD's rotation rate. That'd time it so the left magnet would push the right spiral around - essentially what you're doing by hand, but with far more precision. You'd have yourself a neat little magnetic coupling there. :)
Perhaps you should try having the actuator disc (the one you're moving manually) spinning, all you would then need to do is get the timing right so that the discs sync up with each other to continue the circuit. Of course this would mean the actuator disc would have to have something to provide the force to spin it though.
you need to move the screw on the left cd about 90 degrees to the left. then have it linked and have the magnet like when you had your hand moving the disk with the magnet on the bottom.
when you do it manually , the distance between both verticals is not as long as with your lever. Lever too long ? And by hand the distance between those same verticals changes to get optimal results. I hope you can make it work ! Fascinating for sure !
someone already made something like this look up "Tesla The Race to Zero Point Free Energy" and about 30mins into the movie you'll see what I'm taking about
I just love your idea's completely new, and trying something different, to bad you didnt keep working on this idea, I see you went with the bedini way..boo hoo. come one everybody and there brother is doing the failed bedinin, (funny not one truely does anything but spin) not one works(as claimed to make more electricty then used) and yet so many work on it, come one man your ideas are the best, keep up with this or others of your own designs, great job, nothing but respect for you
Could you have the whole thing mounted on a wall, then have the magnet on the left on an arm and the right wheel spin, but have it heavier. So when it spins, it lifts the magnet but gravity pulls it down and it spins the wheel?
hola no se si lo pensaste ya o alguien te lo sugirió, pero yo pienso que debiste de poner otros imanes estrategicamente en el disco para lograr el efecto de movimiento continuo...
if u make the spiral magnets hit the small magnet disc in someeway .... maybe it could run automatically.... no perpetually ... frictions a bitch :P . .. but great idea
Looks great mate. Dont let it get you down. looks like with a little tweak with a complex arm system maybe double elbow or cross of some kind it would free spin longer. Wish had come up with this idea looks great.
Maybe the smartest constuction for this subject. But I think that you should fix some little things and then I am sure you'll succed. Sorry for my English... ps: I will try it soon and I will upload my test too.
looks as though the timing is slightly out with your joiner if you were to move the pin on left reciprocating wheel slightly inboard i think this would work fine
As what has been said before, the timing needs to be worked on for it is obviously not timed properly. Also, just because it was just something small that was bugging me, on a steam engine a reciprocating motion makes a rotary motion. As the wheel turns it moves a valve to allow steam on the other side of the piston so it can pull or push the wheel to maintain the rotary motion.
@livesteamfan1 In a steam engine, the force on the piston varies with time and not just position. It goes through the same position on the up stroke and down stroke. By having the force change with time, real work can be done. With just magnets, you don't have this option because the force between poles does not change with time.
There's a proverb: "Timing is everything" Gotta position and adjust your cam. Be sure you also have enough bearings or lube under the disks to eliminate any excess friction.
Furzeham, it look like that you set the left disc to the wrong timing or that it need ball bearings on both disks. The right disk is the motor disk while the left disk is a valve disk.
The problem he has is the FREQUENCY not being reliable, which he kinda solved with the connecting lever BUT he needed to OPTIMIZE the LENGTH of the crank and the POSITION of the two levers.
HE HAD THE RIGHT IDEA. The execution wasn't so hot but this is as good as I've seen!
Hey man that's BRILLIANT! Keep up the work. Maybe you need some springs and elastic bands thrown into the machine... or some kind of clicking cog that raises and lowers the magnet by gravity and such... mmmmm I think I'll start making one of my own!
you need a feedback meachanism - where the accelerating disc (with the spiraled magents ) impulses the other disc - so that the magnet is dran in and moved in a synchronous way . Great idea but low power capability - it would spin faster and faster but I am not certain that it could handle much of a load .
Resistance. There's too much resistance from the connecting piece of plastic. Change the locations and use a small DC motor with a gear on the pin. Attach a curved gear track to the left CD and use computer software that slowly but exponentially spins the right CD by making the motor oscillate. I'm 13 lol.
It does work. Your just Not doing it correctly. You need more mechanical parts. But you have a piece of the puzzle and i'm Impressed. Ur a very intelligent man.
@sabzz23 No amount of adding more magnets can ever make the idea work. The average torque for any collection of magnets will come out to zero. You can prove this to yourself if you start with just one pair of poles and notice things about the situation being its own mirror image. Once you really grasp the two pole case, you can see that adding more poles is just adding in more torque vs angle curves but they all average to zero.
LOL!....I built this too...the repeling force of the magnets, that would make this work,is what keeps it from working.Perhaps some permalloy, strategically placed,might help.Permalloy though cannot be re-configured once created, or it loses its properties.It can be found in disc drives and hard drives I believe, for magnetic shielding . Also found in record player pickups for the needle.
That looks like it could work is you alter the positioning of the screws or whatever are pointing straight upwards, and perhaps added a gear/pulley system in order to get the thin metal bar which connects the discs to have precisely the same motion as you created with your hand upon the left-hand disc (one w/ single magnet). Very cool idea!
i like your idea, thinking of combintion this idea with another one, you need a confirm source energy for your left wheel magnet, can be retrieved form sea waves
look at the two rods as you spin them, they come together than apart again unlike the motion you're trying to create with the plastic piece which keeps them same distance apart
This utterly disregards the proven laws of physics and thermodynamics (energy). It only spun because you input kinetic/mechanical energy into it by moving the magnet on the left. If, on the other hand, the said magnet was stationary, then I would be truly amazed. (although I would look at it and find some other way that energy finds it's way in).
Why do people keep trying to break the laws of physics. You may as well make it with weights and try to get gravity to do the work, it'd have the same effect!
and WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS SHIT.IF WE MAY ASK
84941gilde 2 weeks ago
the guy from green power science has solved it just search and see his videos, now i just need money for what he made
yourroaddog 1 month ago
Don't give up so easily .
HotRodSixString 1 month ago
The funny thing about people that try to find free energy is that they spend all their time trying to make something spin, rather than do actual work. It you remove friction and air resistance from the picture, a disc will spin forever, without a motor, a magnet, or anything else. It won't, however, spin forever and actually power anything.
deluxeassortment 1 month ago
inspiring, but very worry about those youtubers who you feel that they are one step away from overunity then vanish, this video uploaded on 2008!!!!
amermahdy70 1 month ago
@furzeham,
Perpetual motion machines are not physically possible. In a matter universe, there will always be friction to ruin the best laid plans.
I am, however, very pleased at your honest attempt. You are doing genuine science by attempting to build a device and allowing it to stand on it's own merits rather than building a scam with hidden motors or some such rubbish.
If perpetual motion is in fact possible, it is this kind of work that will find it. Don't get your hopes up, though.
attheveryend 1 month ago
@attheveryend Maybe not a perpetual motor but how about a motor that generates electricity very steadily and then uses a very small amount of that energy to restart the motion stopped by friction ? Electromagnets unlike permanent magnets can have power disproportionate to their size and weight so it can be moved with more torque and speed and with less bulk and weight, making things like this much more efficient at actually working.
Geechs 1 month ago
@Geechs,
Where will the electromagnet get it's power? The generator is expelling electricity by the work done on it to keep it moving. Electromagnetic induction used to turn motion of one object into an electric current in another already resists the motion of the object, so in order to generate anything at all, a force must be overcome. In a perfect world where there is no friction, the most any such motor could do is simply keep itself spinning and do nothing else. It would be useless.
attheveryend 1 month ago
@attheveryend It gets the power from the electricity being generated, given that there is some initial energy powering the elctromagnets at first. Electromagnets can be small and light-weight but very powerful, actually disproportionately powerful, unlike permanent magnets, so it wouldn't take much power to turn them and generate an electric current. Similar things have been done before, it's now just about finding the most efficient method of doing it.
Geechs 1 month ago
As far as I can tell, the energy used on the arm to stop the left disc from spinning around would be larger than the energy applied to the right disc's spinning motion.
Therefore this construction would always stop.
Interesting approach though, I must admit.
I guess you would have to separate the two disc's again.
Now the question is:
Is there any way the energy used to wiggle the left disc (electrically or otherwise) could be less than the energy the right disc produces?
Sadly I think not..
majcherek128 2 months ago
@majcherek128,
You're correct. No way to do it. Thermodynamics win again.
attheveryend 1 month ago
This is the best perpetual motion protoype I have seen yet. Get the measurements down and put the plans on the internet to people can make bigger models!
nicedayvince 2 months ago
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RomzonG 2 months ago
This is realistic because if done precisely it'd be powered by kinetic energy, right?
Geechs 2 months ago
@Geechs,
Do you know what kinetic energy is?
attheveryend 1 month ago
@attheveryend Yes
Geechs 1 month ago
probably the left cd should be put on the same type of rotating axis as axis under the black magnet's cd for that leg to work
vidvidvidchannel 2 months ago
R you triyng to hypnotise me? :))
AndyDeiu 2 months ago
fourbar kinematics fail
L2LiSlide 2 months ago
that poor playstation 1 cd drive :P
Ichicracker 2 months ago
you just need to adjust de position of the singular magnet so that it appears at the right point
juezna 2 months ago
well done! have you thought of using a clock spring on your single-magnet disc, to help it return and stay balanced? this would look amazing using a pendulum, all mounted on a vertical plane.
honeyduke78 2 months ago
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zackvsgenisis 2 months ago
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varonacarranca 3 months ago
on your single magnet disk, try a slightly smaller magnet positioned at 4 O'clock and reverse the polarity from the other magnet. 12 O'clock being the pin or screw.
qccomputers 3 months ago
make first disk smaller i think it will work.. but will only run in constant speed.. have u tried?
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aezb15 3 months ago
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MIGUEL2005LIMA 3 months ago
I watched the complete video but did not see anything interesting. Where is the intersting part you promised in the title?
MucusFelidae 3 months ago
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victoriousVICify 2 months ago
a little WD-40 and it would hum. i made one out of a ceiling fan motor cut open and box fan motor exposed. free fan. exploring further devices
PrimeTargetSecurity 3 months ago
I like your idea. I have a theory that I intend to test some day that will put a magnet on both sides of the spiral magnet disc so the disc doesn't have to rotate completely before getting another boost. Also, attaching the two discs with a rod simply puts a load on the spiral disc the whole time it's turning instead of on just a small part of the rotation. Everyone says it can't be done, but it has to be fun trying to find out.
dancroush 4 months ago
@dancroush Even you can say that it can't be done. In involves only a little math to show that your idea doesn't work. Troll back through my comments here and you will find comments where I explain how you can do it.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
it seams like the right side is moving faster then the left side so why not use gear ratio differnce to make one side move faster and the peice of plastic to the left side and the gear
edojh96 4 months ago
@edojh96 I am going to suggest that you think about your own suggestion a little further. Remember that:
Work = Force (dot) Distance
(dot) means you multiply the components that are parallel. In the case of gears, it is easy to see that you can ignore thrusts along the shaft and look only at turning forces (torque). Gears let you trade Force for Distance back and forth but the Work (ignoring losses) is constant. I think you will quickly see the error in your suggestion.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
it seams like the right side is moving faster then the rignt side so why not use gear ratio differnce to make one side move faster and the peice of plastic to the left side and the gear
edojh96 4 months ago
i know i have commented before,
but i like the fact that you come up with your own ideas (rather then the same failed BS over and over again) and that you dont lie about the results. keep it up, and dont give in to the scammers (mylow, bedini, searl, newman ect.) keep comeing up with your own ideas and trying. great work
1crazyfocker 5 months ago
shorten the connecting arm between the cds a little bit
tomrager11 5 months ago 6
@tomrager11 Better yet, go do something useful. Way earlier in the comments I explained why such a machine can never work. It is like putting bigger wheels on the back of car so it is always rolling down hill. The idea doesn't work for red cars, blue cars or green cars.
knowledgemonger 5 months ago
@tomrager11 you may need to make a complex or dual action link, which would mimic you manual movements
DARRON2008 3 months ago
There are no free energy.... take that into yr mind..
The best future energy source is.. FUSION which start service in 2030++
thesevenghost 5 months ago
You need to put a mechanical joint in the middle of it that uses a torsion spring for rebound.
paradoxof3z 5 months ago
@paradoxof3z I suspect that by now the maker of this video understands that this idea doesn't lead to anything useful. Hopefully he is now off doing something that may result in something useful. No amount of mechanical wizardry can save the idea because it fails at a fundamental level. No such machine ever can produce energy. No matter how complex you make it.
knowledgemonger 5 months ago
@knowledgemonger there are more useless things in the world. Keep in mind that failing is the majority of experimentation. It is my philosophy that the only useless endevor is the one that you walk away from just as ignorant as when you began.
paradoxof3z 5 months ago
@paradoxof3z I know from experience that the great bulk of experiments fail. I was pointing out that this machine and all like it can never produce energy. If your purpose is to produce energy any time you spend on this is by definition wasted. You have not walked away from this but because you can only do one thing at a time, you have left some other things unexplored. Among them may be the answer.
knowledgemonger 5 months ago
measure the distance " in radius" that the magnet moves manually at desired rpm. Use a small pin and a stored energy source aka rubber bands, thin pieces of metal, a spring, etc....! to bounce it back into the field! Dont attach the linkage! too much load!peace my brotha...!
use some metal dust to check the magnetic fields at diferent points and pic an angle of crossover for the angle that best pushes across the field...use the lightest and strongest magnets you can find!
MegaPistalpete 5 months ago
measure the distance " in radius" that the magnet moves manually at desired rpm. Use a small pin and a stored energy source aka rubber bands, thin pieces of metal, a spring, etc....! to bounce it back into the field! Dont attach the linkage! too much load!peace my brotha...!
MegaPistalpete 5 months ago
At least you're starting at the very basics which is always the way!!
Agui007 6 months ago
Get the left one going around aswell, as you use alot of energy turning it the other way.
mingaup 6 months ago
TRY MICROWAVE MAGNETS, THEY WORK A LOT BETTER.
chris03653837 6 months ago
shorten the arm between the gag-gits
matang189 6 months ago
It seems an efficient motor could be derived from this. Minimize the motion of the prime magnet. Ideally, reduce its motion to pure spin. Accomplish this with a levitation design (for the prime magnet) and you'd have something.
djlivingfire 6 months ago
fix the timing, it may work
pomc 6 months ago
@pomc I have already explained why it can never work. I suggest you try to come up with the reason without looking back though the comments or otherwise getting the information from someone else. It is likely you already know enough to do the proof your self.
knowledgemonger 6 months ago
At least he says it doesnt work. Any closed system seems to have this. Only one solution is a joint effort and it must include open systems and quantum. Dark energy, may have some potential too.
newage4energy 6 months ago
Here is an insight... you are losing too much energy by moving the large magnet back and forth. It needs to move in a countinuous direction (circle), not like a piston. Yes the idea is an interesting approach. but the distance from the center of rotation for both screws should be close to the same for both screws. I recomend using a middle "gear" to accomplish such a task, as it does not have to be measured perfectly to transfer energy between the two points. Good luck. Nice Work.
CharleyMac259 6 months ago
@CharleyMac259 I suggest you think more deeply about the idea before offering suggestions. It doesn't matter what pattern any of the magnets are moving in. You skipped right past the most important issue in the whole idea.
The force between two magnetic poles is always along a line between the two poles. The size of the force depends on the current position (not the history).
knowledgemonger 6 months ago
@knowledgemonger I suggest you think about suggestions on how to get it to work instead of suggesting others to think about their own suggestions.. it's just a suggestion..
pedrocatalao 6 months ago
@pedrocatalao I have already explained that it can never work. There is no way it can work. This is the reason I suggest to those proposing ways to improve on it that they think again. It is like someone suggested that you can make a car go forwards by putting bigger wheels on the back so it will always be rolling down hill.
knowledgemonger 6 months ago
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tyuiwas 7 months ago
seems fun!!!
theanaeddieful 7 months ago
But will it blend?
pianokd11 7 months ago
but will it blend?
pianokd11 7 months ago
i have seen some perpetuial magnet matieans that i dont see why they wouldnt work, but with this one i think the resistance of the sesawing magnet is the same as the resistance to the spinning magnest so they are the same this means the force to cause the sesawing is counteracted by the force to rotate it.
milestprower44 7 months ago
hmm... looks like the most productive action is within that 1 inch movement on the left. if you had some sort of gearing mechanism to limit that movement and have it connect to the right side, so it forces the reset of the left magnet to a start position, then "maybe" it might work right.
good concept though! we'll figure this stuff out eventually!
turtlegodkame 7 months ago
@atomikus37 The idea can't work. Go study a little physics.
knowledgemonger 7 months ago
maybe if you cruved the shaft and found the right angle you could do something like that get the general Idea. more power to you man or you could make a part for it some how like on the trians like you said
rebelcriminal 7 months ago
maybe if you cruved the shaft and found the right angle you could do something like that get the general Idea. more power to you man
rebelcriminal 7 months ago
what if you get the spiral magnets, and make them all around the disc circunference, than the other will pull them aal
ButlerSONG 7 months ago
@ButlerSONG Stop and think very carefully. You can prove without any higher math that your idea won't work. I will give you a little hint to start. Assume that the disk had only one magnetic pole on it. What would the average torque over one full rotation be with a stationary magnet somewhere nearby. Think through a couple of cases. One the mirror image of the other.
knowledgemonger 7 months ago
This is how DJs get power.
DaffyDaffyDaffy33322 8 months ago 12
Great idea. The timing seems a bit off in my opinion, if the single magnet was to move out of the way earlier and then closer soon after the beginning of the spiral passed it, there might be a better chance of seeing any sort of continuous movement. I'd like to know what you think or if you've improved off of it at all!
midnightclubII 8 months ago
@midnightclubII Really the timing doesn't matter. The idea can never work no matter the timing. You can prove this to your self if you are willing to spend a little time on it. The trick is to consider what happens when you move a single magnetic pole in a magnetic field. Look at the force on the pole and the rate of change in energy in the magnetic field. You will see that single pole case is fairly easy to disprove. From there it is: any collection of poles can be done one by one.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
I like it. But what use is it? If anyone can make it generate a billion watts well, you're a better man than me, GungaDing! Ah, an honest spuker.
listen2meokidoki 8 months ago
I would like to know the magnet pole orientations. I'm assuming that like poles are causing the repulsive movement. Also curious about what lies under the disks, allowing them to rotate so easily, Please respond
homskoult 8 months ago
Have you tried spinning the wheels perpendicular to one another, linked by means of a shaft and two gears. The left wheel, with one magnet,vertically spinning ccw or away from you. The right wheel, horizontally, spinning cw. Just curious?
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you should put two rollings on the axis that joins both discs to decrease frictions
ThePedrolito1 8 months ago
you should put two rollings on the axis that joins both discs to decrease frictions
ThePedrolito1 8 months ago
yes i had this idea on the nearly same scale years ago. and it did work only after i had a dream. i used milk to make it work yes reg. D milk the shap is correct but may be of center by a small fraction and myn was solid sahped like that . inportant hoe the pivt shuld be center of the main 6ying and yang two of them thoeth milk under the main one on rt. whoe knows maybe itl cancle out hte ectra magnetic forces and keep the flow going.
gold2hunt 9 months ago
the way you put that bar is upside down... you need to time it right and you need to have the same weight of magnets on both wheels...and they both need to have the same polarity force
cristoman41 9 months ago
The input of energy from your hand seems much less than the output. That's efficiency, well done!
wyrrox 9 months ago
You could get the same effect with just one magnet on each disc.
bastian74 9 months ago
how about spring motion to counter the spin
llobellj 9 months ago
I think it's not easy to trick a low of a conservation of energy :-) But just one guess, left wheel shoul rotate, not move back-forward, because you loose too much energy on that stop-go movements because of mass.
zokonjazokonja 9 months ago
I think it's not easy to trick a low of a conservation of energy :-) But just one guess, left wheel shoul rotate, not move back-forward, because you loose too much energy on that stop-go movements because of mass.
zokonjazokonja 9 months ago
I think it's not easy to trick a low of a conservation of energy :-) But just one guess, left wheel shoul rotate, not move back-forward, because you loose too much energy on that stop-go movements because of mass.
zokonjazokonja 9 months ago
Take a Hard drive apart, use that magnet. Extremely powerful magnet. Fine tuning.. bet it would work. small modifications. Cool though. ty for sharing.
Daganerabus 10 months ago
you should put the disks up on the vertical, use gravity as extra little push.
trevormichael75 10 months ago
@trevormichael75
Yeah, and then tell gravity to stop pulling on the way back up huh?
michielvanh 9 months ago
Actually i like the idea.. I am going to give something a try. See what i can come up with.
ATEAMSTYLES 10 months ago
Hook up a motor to the left CD, so you can control its rotational speed. Instead of you spinning the CD back and forth, you could hook up a feedback control loop, so the left CD's rotational rate is a function of the right CD's rotation rate. That'd time it so the left magnet would push the right spiral around - essentially what you're doing by hand, but with far more precision. You'd have yourself a neat little magnetic coupling there. :)
loki153624 10 months ago
are u using new CD/dvd s?
aoxilus 10 months ago
there are directional magnets that would help . instead of a direct north-south (ie left-right)the pole is split diagonally! and even curved ones
themaxrock 10 months ago
Perhaps you should try having the actuator disc (the one you're moving manually) spinning, all you would then need to do is get the timing right so that the discs sync up with each other to continue the circuit. Of course this would mean the actuator disc would have to have something to provide the force to spin it though.
deepfreeze202 10 months ago
you need to move the screw on the left cd about 90 degrees to the left. then have it linked and have the magnet like when you had your hand moving the disk with the magnet on the bottom.
666threesixes666 10 months ago
when you do it manually , the distance between both verticals is not as long as with your lever. Lever too long ? And by hand the distance between those same verticals changes to get optimal results. I hope you can make it work ! Fascinating for sure !
webkwast 11 months ago
someone already made something like this look up "Tesla The Race to Zero Point Free Energy" and about 30mins into the movie you'll see what I'm taking about
turdferguson2021 11 months ago
just shorten you link and it will work
Jakes1233 11 months ago
I just love your idea's completely new, and trying something different, to bad you didnt keep working on this idea, I see you went with the bedini way..boo hoo. come one everybody and there brother is doing the failed bedinin, (funny not one truely does anything but spin) not one works(as claimed to make more electricty then used) and yet so many work on it, come one man your ideas are the best, keep up with this or others of your own designs, great job, nothing but respect for you
1crazyfocker 11 months ago
Could you have the whole thing mounted on a wall, then have the magnet on the left on an arm and the right wheel spin, but have it heavier. So when it spins, it lifts the magnet but gravity pulls it down and it spins the wheel?
SirCumferance 11 months ago
hola no se si lo pensaste ya o alguien te lo sugirió, pero yo pienso que debiste de poner otros imanes estrategicamente en el disco para lograr el efecto de movimiento continuo...
racsopumacancun 11 months ago
if u make the spiral magnets hit the small magnet disc in someeway .... maybe it could run automatically.... no perpetually ... frictions a bitch :P . .. but great idea
koolpunk1 1 year ago
great idea try a pendulum with your disk
cbwesley62 1 year ago
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fritszol 1 year ago
what if you make one like the right one but in opposite direction, like this:
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fritszol 1 year ago
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fritszol 1 year ago
change job
luigiluckyman 1 year ago
Looks great mate. Dont let it get you down. looks like with a little tweak with a complex arm system maybe double elbow or cross of some kind it would free spin longer. Wish had come up with this idea looks great.
ziegech 1 year ago
the spindles allow for too much friction. Otherwise it would probably work (for a while anyway)
dharmanova 1 year ago
Maybe the smartest constuction for this subject. But I think that you should fix some little things and then I am sure you'll succed. Sorry for my English... ps: I will try it soon and I will upload my test too.
knbsep1 1 year ago
And to think, all I had to do was put the balls on the other side!
uhclem 1 year ago
you just need a nice grant from the government to finance your research, good luck! :-)
fmas1978 1 year ago
looks as though the timing is slightly out with your joiner if you were to move the pin on left reciprocating wheel slightly inboard i think this would work fine
COol idea thanks.
shelby02403 1 year ago
So you traded the cow for magic beans and that contraption?!
Redskin1040 1 year ago
As what has been said before, the timing needs to be worked on for it is obviously not timed properly. Also, just because it was just something small that was bugging me, on a steam engine a reciprocating motion makes a rotary motion. As the wheel turns it moves a valve to allow steam on the other side of the piston so it can pull or push the wheel to maintain the rotary motion.
livesteamfan1 1 year ago
@livesteamfan1 In a steam engine, the force on the piston varies with time and not just position. It goes through the same position on the up stroke and down stroke. By having the force change with time, real work can be done. With just magnets, you don't have this option because the force between poles does not change with time.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
if you visit the site greenlivingitup there is a REAL blueprint for an authentic perpetual motion device
MindAsFocus 1 year ago
There's a proverb: "Timing is everything" Gotta position and adjust your cam. Be sure you also have enough bearings or lube under the disks to eliminate any excess friction.
vossua 1 year ago
Need more strong magnets. Will work!
geekionizado 1 year ago
Energy transfer.
EvilRabbiMAn 1 year ago
DJ! SPIN THAT SHIT!
chris12592 1 year ago 62
i dont think your alignment or coordination was correct when using the arm to power the disk on the left.
i wonder if you could duplicate that magnet disk on the left with an electromagnet that is timed to the disk on the right with the spiral magnets.
7digitalSunday 1 year ago
Furzeham, it look like that you set the left disc to the wrong timing or that it need ball bearings on both disks. The right disk is the motor disk while the left disk is a valve disk.
JerryGiesler09 1 year ago
para que sirve eso???
JackrosBlade 1 year ago
why is it ive made ones go 1200 rpm with 25 mini neodyium magnets and 2 cds and iDNT have to touch it but everyines one youtube u need to
robthatguyx 1 year ago
@robthatguyx TRUE!
This Does look like an interesting approach.
The problem he has is the FREQUENCY not being reliable, which he kinda solved with the connecting lever BUT he needed to OPTIMIZE the LENGTH of the crank and the POSITION of the two levers.
HE HAD THE RIGHT IDEA. The execution wasn't so hot but this is as good as I've seen!
M. Hannon B.Sc. (Bronze Swimming certificate)
BlackRoof 1 year ago
Perpetual motion theorists are stupid.
jimztar 1 year ago
there is defently too much friction
M29NT 1 year ago
physics wont allow this,but this is a very efficent way of making it this seems to prevent a good bit of energy loss
tjinga2u1 1 year ago
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ghost41114 1 year ago
physics says no
Televersity 1 year ago
mabye try putting cogs on each disk and link them to a band .one cog may have to be larger than the other
THELEYMAN 1 year ago
magnetic brakes for cars that never have to be replaced is what I see when I watch this video.
McGavel 1 year ago
magnetic brakes for cars that never have to be replaced.
McGavel 1 year ago
Makes me think it's possible to create magnetic brakes for a vehicle that would never need to be replaced.
McGavel 1 year ago
Hey man that's BRILLIANT! Keep up the work. Maybe you need some springs and elastic bands thrown into the machine... or some kind of clicking cog that raises and lowers the magnet by gravity and such... mmmmm I think I'll start making one of my own!
whatthefunk5 1 year ago
bearings bearing bearings...
mulletdude9989 1 year ago
until the disc on the right stopped, I thought i was a chicken for some reason.
filip3220 1 year ago
you need a feedback meachanism - where the accelerating disc (with the spiraled magents ) impulses the other disc - so that the magnet is dran in and moved in a synchronous way . Great idea but low power capability - it would spin faster and faster but I am not certain that it could handle much of a load .
smde1 1 year ago
i think that could work if there was a spring turning the CD instead of the hand... the idea is good and it could work with a bit better design
Veparrr 1 year ago
magnets have a sneaky way of finding balance every time.
ryobie1 1 year ago
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perhaps you could use a pendulum (gravity) to trigger the momentum (combination)..like a clock work
xray69x1 1 year ago
perhaps you could use a pendulum (gravity) to trigger the momentum (combination)..like a clock work
xray69x1 1 year ago
Resistance. There's too much resistance from the connecting piece of plastic. Change the locations and use a small DC motor with a gear on the pin. Attach a curved gear track to the left CD and use computer software that slowly but exponentially spins the right CD by making the motor oscillate. I'm 13 lol.
ThatsWaddlesToYou 1 year ago
magnets ftw
roofy2k 1 year ago
you almost got it. :) thats actually the smartest way i've ever seen magnets used to keept it moving though. :D
xVjosh7Vx 1 year ago
It does work. Your just Not doing it correctly. You need more mechanical parts. But you have a piece of the puzzle and i'm Impressed. Ur a very intelligent man.
DgosFinnest 1 year ago
would it work if the left magnet was moving in simple harmonic motion..?
Ninjarni 1 year ago
you're awesome, you really should work on this thing and patent it
costimasca 1 year ago
boring
josedomin777 1 year ago
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sabzz23 1 year ago
kk just put another magnet on the opposite side of the left cds magnet and create a chain on the bottom of both cds and connect them then itll work
sabzz23 1 year ago
@sabzz23 No amount of adding more magnets can ever make the idea work. The average torque for any collection of magnets will come out to zero. You can prove this to yourself if you start with just one pair of poles and notice things about the situation being its own mirror image. Once you really grasp the two pole case, you can see that adding more poles is just adding in more torque vs angle curves but they all average to zero.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
dude, all u need is stronger magnets and itll work but i guess thats the problem...
sabzz23 1 year ago
LOL!....I built this too...the repeling force of the magnets, that would make this work,is what keeps it from working.Perhaps some permalloy, strategically placed,might help.Permalloy though cannot be re-configured once created, or it loses its properties.It can be found in disc drives and hard drives I believe, for magnetic shielding . Also found in record player pickups for the needle.
magnetstoo 1 year ago
minkia ke scordinato ke sei
Darkdemonhot 1 year ago
That looks like it could work is you alter the positioning of the screws or whatever are pointing straight upwards, and perhaps added a gear/pulley system in order to get the thin metal bar which connects the discs to have precisely the same motion as you created with your hand upon the left-hand disc (one w/ single magnet). Very cool idea!
xoptics 1 year ago
inspired.
kingkobrasaja 1 year ago
YES !!!! you can do it !!!!
vox1philippines 1 year ago
looks like you invented a stoner toy;) lol
crowthejuggalo1 1 year ago
so a DJ would do that motion anyways and generate the electricity for his music box
vladimir0B 1 year ago
if you use a cogwheel instead of a cd and use one to turn the other, wouldn't it keep going?
srbrunoaf 1 year ago
i like your idea, thinking of combintion this idea with another one, you need a confirm source energy for your left wheel magnet, can be retrieved form sea waves
mksmbmksmb 1 year ago
curious, have you tried an elastic band?
trandoductin 1 year ago
look at the two rods as you spin them, they come together than apart again unlike the motion you're trying to create with the plastic piece which keeps them same distance apart
trandoductin 1 year ago
Mah....
adrianomeis79 1 year ago
Maybe it will work if the overall friction can be made close to zero
But i like the idea behind it...Bravo!
jonnno243 1 year ago
Are you using ceramic magnets? It is too weak, probably why it didn't work. Try to use NdFeB magnets. They are 10x stronger. It might makes it work.
boobiestrap 1 year ago
Energy in = energy out - losses.
The energy out is from your hand coupled thru your device.
It works great, just don't be fooled in what you have.
JRBeaman 1 year ago
Maybe some gears connecting both discs that would turn the disc on the left in time with the second disc.
mikesvr6 1 year ago
your timing is backwards the one magnet is going away at the time that the others are getting closer
deltajegga 1 year ago
well if you get the other one to push it like a piston back and forth it would totally work im telling you
mrfourtysevenman 1 year ago
i think the problem is that the attachment on the screws were too heavy
hahauhaveaidshaha 1 year ago
your timing on the link is a bit off...
cheetawolf 1 year ago
neat
notenoughspac 1 year ago
This utterly disregards the proven laws of physics and thermodynamics (energy). It only spun because you input kinetic/mechanical energy into it by moving the magnet on the left. If, on the other hand, the said magnet was stationary, then I would be truly amazed. (although I would look at it and find some other way that energy finds it's way in).
Blibber14 1 year ago
Why do people keep trying to break the laws of physics. You may as well make it with weights and try to get gravity to do the work, it'd have the same effect!
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 Its something to do lol.
intheshitter 1 year ago