Ali was possibly in the best shape he ever was following his exile and return to the ring. He danced almost the entire fight and NEVER stopped throwing punches with blinding speed. George, to his credit, took every damn one of them, though. To say George was a solid fighter with a chin like granite would be an understatement. Incredibly exciting fight from start to finish.
does not matter what chuvalo said with ali going to hospital... the boy got a school of boxing , ali went to hospital because of sore kidneys , chuv was short and the good punches he hit " not much compared to the ones he got on the head from ali " , the proof that ali was not fazed by that and won,diff class , simples
@calbo555 Ali went to the hospital after his first fight with Chuvalo - when Ali was in his prime. Chuvalo took that fight on 17 days notice and Ali called it the toughest of his career. And anyone who says Ali wasn't fazed by Chuvalo really didn't watch the fight. Chuvalo was one of the fighters in the golden era that gave Ali the most trouble. Those guys fought 27 rounds, nobody was ever knocked down. Rocky was based on these fights and the Ali-Wepner fight.
@atmoi666 he did yes but he still beat him , that's the difference :D rocky was based on ali's full carrer mostly on frazier never backing down from ali more than wepner tbh , was ali based on his training and heart e.t.c .. chuvalo was a great fighter and had a hard life :(
Chuvalo died at the same hotel my mom worked at she called the police about it. FYI the queen of England stayed there but at the time Chuvalo died it was full of drunks and druggies now its artsy and full of gays and lesbians since the overhaul the Gladstone hotel on queen is the name in Toronto Canada he died of a heroin overdose.
genius because with that he figured he could halve his training
ali trained the hardest in zaire since his comeback and worked on his punching power lol he acually foreman was kinda gone by round 4 if you watch carefully
and he wasnt on his toes because the ring was sinking
@t3di2 I never once said Chuvalo beat Foreman. I do believe that the fight was stopped too early. Foreman even acknowledged this during an interview with ESPN. he said himself that he was running out of energy. sometimes you've got to weather a storm, which is what most fighters tried to do against tyson. Tyson blows all his steam within the first 3 or 4 rounds. If a fighter can make it past that point, they've got a serious shot because he slows down bigtime. Foreman was the same.
CHUVALO - 65 knockouts, never down in his entire career, and heavyweight champion of Canada for over 2 decades. Star on the Walk of Fame, member of the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame and World Boxing Hall of Fame. Toughest opponent of Ali's career -sent Ali to the hospital on just 17 days notice. Ranked in the top ten of heavyweight boxing longer than any other fighter in history.
@t3di2 Yeah right, man. Foreman is known for blowing all of his steam. He hits hard but isn't a very technical fighter at all. I doubt after all those punches, Foreman would have been able to continue at the same pace. At either rate, the ref stops the fight without a knockdown! And you think in another two rounds that Chuvalo would not just be knocked down but carried out? he was never knocked down in his career you dumbass. Unlike Foreman, who gasses out against Ali. Not Chuvalo though
@t3di2 I'm sorry but a guy who was never knocked down in 97 fights, and obviously never knocked out, in the golden era of heavyweights is a great figher. To beat him, you had to keep your distance and use the jab a lot. It's tough to go toe-to-toe with him because he's one of the strongest of the era. He was only stopped twice - by Foreman and Frazier. You had to be an exceptional fighter to stop him. He was great
@t3di2 yeah. waiting for his opponent to gas out. Did you know that Ali asked Chuvalo questions in NYC about fighting Foreman. Chuvalo told him that he will punch himself tired. That's one of the reasons that Ali did the rope-a-dope. He waited for Foreman to gas out. This is something that fighters TRAIN to do because you can't throw non-stop punches. You have to weather a storm and time your attack
@t3di2 There's a movie coming out soon on Chuvalo. I'm sure it will outline a lot of the same FACTS i've been telling you. You don't have to watch it, though. But the rest of the world will and you'll just have to live with that. Nothing you can do but cry over there in your shitty country. Go eat schnitzel with Rammstein and David Hasselhoff.
good for him, i like chuvalo, but i dont believe everything he says unlike u.
fighters do tell a lot, and why do they do that?
because they simply try to boost their own legacy, everyone does.
it doesnt matter if trainer, fighter, or even refs.
they dont tell us the 100% truth, because its simply boring.
for example: cooper to this day claims there was a 3min break after he knocked clay down, yet the original radio broadcast from cnn clearly reveals it was 4 seconds, not 3m
chuvalo never said to ali what his strategy was before the foreman fight.
and alis gameplan definitely wasnt to take 500 punches till foreman gets tired, it was an instinctive act during the fight.
his real game plan was to dance & avoid foremans punches, but the ring was just too small for that & ali not as quick as he was when he beat liston in 64.
foreman was 40-0 with 37KO's when he faced ali, nobody knew how to beat him until ali showed it.
@t3di2 Read what I wrote you fucking retard. I never said that Chuvalo told Ali what his strategy was. Ali asked Chuvalo what he noticed about Foreman and Chuvalo told Ali that Foreman isn't mindful of his stamina. He gasses out. It wasn't an instinctive plan during the fight. I'm saying that this probably lead to Ali's decision to rope-a-dope. Ali was telling everyone in interviews before the fight that he was going to do something very different to beat Foreman - and it worked.
@t3di2 Again, I didn't say that. You have flawed logic. If Ali did not do the rope-a-dope, he still might have won by some other strategy. However, he did to the rope-a-dope and all I'm saying is that he probably got this idea from talking to Chuvalo. Apparently Ali talked to other fighters too and Howard Cossell about his match with Foreman because it was the biggest fight of his life. Chuvalo and Ali like each other a lot and are pretty close. Frazier is also a good friend of Chuvalo's.
@atmoi666 Hahahahaha. Ali beat the shit out of that boy. Don't you realize he's just playing with him. Do you realize that or Can't understand that. Chuvalo is not, was not, will never be a serious contender to Ali. He's just a play thing for him. Hospital, nah, ALL boxers go to the hospital. Tyson went MANY times. I know. As far as his Canadian Accomplishments (haha) Being Heavyweight Champ of Canada is like being the top fly on a pile of shit!
@bangitslo Any guy who sends Ali to the hospital with bleeding kidneys, who fights Ali for 27 rounds and gets called the toughest opponent he ever faces, is a serious contender. Even Ali wouldn't agree with you. Look, I admire Ali, particularly for his stance on the Vietnam war. But I don't find him the most entertaining fighter ever. I like the brawlers: Chuvalo, Lamotta, Gatti, Hagler, etc. These guys come to fight and they're entertaining to watch even if they lose.
@bangitslo Nowadays the Canadian Heavyweight Title isn't nearly as glamorous but during the Golden Era it was up there with the British Commonwealth Title. Definitely some good contenders and a lot more competition then. I wouldn't call it "top fly on a pile of shit". It just sounds like you don't like Canada very much and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
@atmoi666 Whoa, don't get so testy. "Top fly on a pile of shit" is a very, very old saying. I Love Canada. Been there many times. I have several friends there. Just saying really unless it's a World title - it's not very glamorous. George was a credible fighter. Just limited that's all.
I'm sure Chuvalo used his head to make Ali's kidneys bleed too, right? Ask the 65 guys he knocked the fuck out if he was using his head for those knockouts too. Fuckin' moron! You can't point to one single round where Ali clearly dominated. Not one round out of 27. Ali gets knocked down by bums like Wepner. Chuvalo sends Ali to the hospital and never gets knocked down. His legendary status as the toughest guy boxing has ever seen is untouchable. Nothing you can say or do about that.
@t3di2 hey its already well known in the boxing scene that Ali ducked Chuvalo. So go ahead and keep believing what you want, even refusing to watch a documentary that explains exactly what happened. This doc wasn't made by Chuvalo but the national film board of Canada. You're just fucking ignorant and don't know a fuckin' thing about boxing. Your favourite fight is one in which one of the participants quits in a corner? Yeah, that says a lot how fuckin' retarded you are.
@t3di2 I think Chuvalo beat Ali, especially in their second fight. Patterson/Chuvalo was an all-out-brawl that should have been a draw, although I think Chuvalo had the edge. But the fight was at MSG and Patterson is from New York. Good luck with the judges on that one. But it was Ring Magazine Fight of the Year in 1965. Awesome fight. He lost against Frazier and the Foreman fight was stopped too early. He was robbed against Zora Folley (everyone knows this) and he never fought Johansson
@t3di2 and now that you've seen Chuvalo dressed up as a washerwoman saying to ali "Yooohooo Cautious, you forgot to honour this", how does that fit with what you're saying? You're only expected to honor agreements that you enter into. Ali didn't want a tough fight, though. He can just fight a higher ranked quitter instead. Now go fuck yourself and reply once you learn a bit more about boxing.
@t3di2 Chuvalo was a nobody in 63?!?!? Are you fucking mental? He was in the top ten and, actually, in the top ten for over 17 years. Longer than any heavyweight in history, dumbass. And I'm not spreading half-truths. I've sent you video clips proving my side, unlike you who just logs on and reponds with nonsense every fucking time. Now go eat a Schnitzel you nazi scumbag
@t3di2 If it really was 6-5-1 then nobody would say its a clear victory. And yes, Chuvalo was robbed on many occasions. Watch his fights against Bonavena, Cleroux, Terrell. It was the era that boxing was corrupted the most and you think its funny when a fan claims that a fighter was robbed then? How is that funny? It's entirely realistic you fucking idiot
@t3di2 I'm not the only one who thought he was robbed. The entire crowd knew it. All the reporters knew it because they were all in Chuvalo's corner after the fight. NOBODY was in Terrell's corner. The reason Terrell won is because he went the distance with Chuvalo and his manager, mob boss Bernie Glickman, threatened the judges and the referee. The ref of the fight admitted this later on. Glickman also tried to threaten Ali's camp but they beat him and he ended up in a mental institution.
the fight was in canada u dumb ass, in chuvalos home town toronto.
terrell won the fight, he won the whole first half of it, he slowed down later but still managed to win.
u just repeat the things chuvalo says in interviews.
i bet u r his son, because its inredible how dumb u r, the punches chuvalo took maybe didnt damage his brain, but they definitely damages his sperms :D
go watch some more chuvalo propaganda docus, where he desperately tries to explain why he never won a title.
@t3di2 Aww are you starting to watch Chuvalo interviews? Good for you. Becoming a fan, maybe? Given that he's the only fighter from that era who can speak and think clearly, he's one of our only CREDIBLE sources on heavyweight boxing in the golden era. You're probably just a bum that Chuvalo destroyed, old and angry that you aren't as tough as him. Neither you or anyone you will ever know will ever be as tough as Chuvalo. You'd be the only one cheering at the Chuvalo Terrell fight.
@t3di2 oh, so you're just a kid. maybe you should go listen to Rammstein and keep worshipping David Hasselhoff you German fag. Go ask your heavyweight Willie Besmanoff if Chuvalo is the bum you claim he is. Chuvalo knocked that guy down like 10+ times
i just have a problem with the delusional idiot named atmoi666, who happens to be the biggest delusional fan of chuvalo, who clearly does nothing but worship him 24/7 on yt.
he lost twice to ali, u should accept this, and stop crying around.
@t3di2 CLAY SIGNED A CONTRACT TO FIGHT THE WINNER OF CHUVALO VS. DEJOHN AND THEN ONCE CLAY SAW WHAT CHUVALO DID TO DEJOHN, HE PUSSIED OUT AND BACKED OUT OF THE FIGHT. WHEN CLAY FINALLY DID FIGHT CHUVALO, IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE HE HAD TO, SINCE TERRELL BACKED OUT. THEN CLAY GOT SENT TO THE HOSPITAL BY CHUVALO WHO FOUGHT ON 17 DAYS NOTICE. CHUVALO MADE HIS KIDNEYS BLEED AND CLAY CALLED CHUVALO THE TOUGHEST FIGHT OF HIS CAREER. CHUVALO - NEVER KNOCKED DOWN IN 97 PRO FIGHTS. CHAMP OF CANADA 22 YRS
@t3di2 here's a little lesson in boxing business. contenders don't make contracts with each other stating that the winner can 'hopefully' fight the champion. promoters make the arrangements with the existing champion first and they use that agreement for a future matchup to promote the current fight. that being said, how is it even possible that Ali didn't sign to fight Chuvalo if Chuvalo had signed to fight Ali?
@t3di2 Foreman said Chuvalo hit him harder than any other fighter. Also, Chuvalo was on the ropes absorbing some of the biggest punches boxing has ever seen, waiting for his opponent to gas out. By the time he started to fight back, Arthur Mercante stopped the fight. Watch the ESPN special with Chuvalo, Holmes, and Bert Sugar talking about Foreman. Maybe then you'll 'get it'. Oh wait, ESPN is biased too, right?
It doesn't matter what the rankings are. He broke a contract because he was scared. Bottom line. And if you have half a brain, you would know that I never admitted that Liston was the better fighter. You might want to re-read that. But I don't expect you to read and learn well given that nothing I've said seems to sink in with you. Clay ducked Chuvalo. It's in FACING ALI and its in THE LAST ROUND whether you like it or not.
@t3di2 Chuvalo only had a good chin? First of all, he has the best chin in boxing history. Second, he has 65 knockouts! You don't get that many from just taking shots. Clay can call out anyone he wants but it doesn't mean he's entitled to break agreements. Rankings were likely used an an excuse to break the agreement but its not a valid one. Ali was scared. He did sign the contract and if you youtube search "chuvalo thatchannel" the entire story is right there.
@t3di2 Chuvalo didn't quit against Foreman you idiot. Wow. Now everyone will realize you're a total fucking tool. Liston would've lost because he was a heroin addict. Liston quit like a chump. Chuvalo will forever be remembered as tougher than any of the fighters you've mentioned. This is something you'll have to live with, whether you like it or not. History will carry on irrespective of your incorrect and uninformed opinion. I can't believe that out of a million sperm, ur the quickest!
@t3di2 I'm not saying Liston wasn't a great fighter. He's one of my favourites. But I admire Chuvalo more because of he is relentless and doesn't surrender. And Chuvalo never had to beg for a title fight you fuckin retard. He earned it fair and square but Ali backed out when he saw what Chuvalo did to Dejohn. And when Chuvalo did get the chance against Terrell, he was robbed. Everyone knows it. The Sports Network even did a special on it and WBC gave Chuvalo an honorary belt.
@t3di2 It doesn't matter what the rankings are. He broke a contract because he was scared. Bottom line. And if you have half a brain, you would know that I never admitted that Liston was the better fighter. You might want to re-read that. But I don't expect you to read and learn well given that nothing I've said seems to sink in with you. Clay ducked Chuvalo. It's in FACING ALI and its in THE LAST ROUND whether you like it or not.
u should get your facts straight, de john wasnt a top 10 heavyweight when chuvalo fought him. Sonny Liston, Champion Cassius Clay Doug Jones Ernie Terrell Cleveland Williams Zora Folley Eddie Machen Floyd Patterson Karl Mildenberger George Chuvalo Brian London
13di2: Known FACT Ali tried dckng GC.BTW, dude, Ali used hs exposd kidneys/liver/stomach 2 "block" GC's body shots. Tht's y he ws in hsptl bed pissng blud & GC ws on dnce flo, 2 hrs aftr fite, doin' salsa!!! Edctnl note 4 ya: Ali quotd SEV'L x's syng only fghtr who hit hm hrdr thn JF ws George Chuvalo! GC, not once, evr gt stggrd or in ANY trble frm Ali's shots. Wtch both fites & tell me(try 2 b semi-objctv)if u see GC stggrd/hrt/in trbl from Ali's pnchs.
i am glad he fought liston in 64 and not chuvalo, why should he waste his prime to fight chuvalo when he can fight for the world heavyweight championship against an atg like liston.
he did the right thing, the first fight between clay & liston is my favorite fight of all time :D
@t3di2 All I can say is watch The Last Round: Chuvalo vs. Ali. Or, read up on golden era boxing. I have no reason to make anything up. That documentary actually shows when Ali broke the contract. I bet you if Ali won, he sure would have fought DeJohn pretty quickly.
@t3di2 Actually its all outlined in the documentary 'The Last Round: Chuvalo vs. Ali'. Not my opinion. I'm just relaying what happened. Liston wasn't supposed to fight Clay. Clay was supposed to fight the winner of Chuvalo vs. DeJohn but he chickened out. Anyway, you don't have to believe me but you should check out that documentary and judge for yourself.
wow, if i wanted to see a biased docu, i would watch loose change :D
clay was ready for liston, he fought & beat him, won the wbc belt with the age of only 22, was the second youngest heavyweight champion after patterson until tyson 86.
@t3di2 How would you feel that the doc is biased? They don't argue that Chuvalo won the fight. But it does explain when and why Ali ducked Chuvalo and it shows the times when Chuvalo chased him around the country at press conferences holding up the contract he broke, calling him "Cautious Clay". You don't have to check it out but this is pretty well known and accepted information in the boxing world. I think Ali is great too, but I think we've overestimated him and underestimated CHuvalo.
chuvalo might have been a good heavyweight, but he was nothing compared to liston.
there wasnt a bigger fight in 1964 than cassius clay vs sonny liston, clay made the right decision, a fight with chuvalo wouldnt have proved anything during that time.
@t3di2 Okay so Ali signs a contract to fight the winner of Chuvalo vs. DeJohn and then Ali, who is in the crowd, sees Chuvalo totally destroy Dejohn (who is trained by Dundee, btw) and then decides not to fight him. You wouldn't call that a duck? Hah! The fact is that Ali wouldn't fight Chuvalo until he had to in 1966 when Terrell backed out, and that gave Chuvalo only 17 days notice! On 17 days notice he still did better than Liston. Chuvalo "nothing compared to liston"? Sorry try again.
@t3di2 Patterson was scared of Liston and lost those fights before they began. I'll compare Liston to Chuvalo right now. Liston sat in his corner and took the chump's way out. He took a dive in their second fight. Chuvalo NEVER did this. It took a broken eye socket to make Chuvalo retire. Liston signed to fight Chuvalo but by the time the contract reached Chuvalo, Liston was dead of a heroin overdose. If that's what Liston was up to, he probably would have lost.
@t3di2 Check this link: They were supposed to fight, I'm not wrong about this. And ratings of fighters have nothing to do with contracts. The reality is Ali broke the contract to fight Chuvalo. There's plenty of evidence for this but you just can't seem to get a grip on reality. Twink.
@t3di2 Okay I'm seriously debating if your parents were high on crack when they conceived you. Youtube search "chuvalo jay" and watch the first video that comes up. Chuvalo signed a contract that Ali had already signed. Ali was supposed to fight the winner of Chuvalo vs. Dejohn and then Ali backed out when he saw how dangerous Chuvalo is. These are the facts and I'm providing you with evidence. Watch THE LAST ROUND. End of story.
@t3di2 What are you right about? The documentary is about how the Clay vs. Chuvalo match is pretty much the fight that saved boxing in an era of corruption and political turmoil. The documentary is not about how Clay ducked Chuvalo, but it definitely highlights it because its important since Clay only fought Chuvalo when he had to, on 17 days notice, and still ended up in the hospital. As for the 2nd fight, many people (myself included) think Chuvalo won. Chuvalo was robbed against Terrell.
@t3di2 No he spent the night at the hospital and was pissing blood for three weeks after the match. You talk like it wasn't the toughest fight of Ali's career. Keep drinkin' the Ali juice, you fuckin' mistake. And nobody in their right mind would ever say Ali was playing with Chuvalo, not even Ali. Neither fighter was staggered in 27 rounds. Judges voted for Terrell too. Doesn't mean shit in that era. I'm not making anything up. You're just accepting the biased US version of boxing.
terrell vs chuvalo wasnt a robbery, terrell won the first half of the fight easily, he slowed down in the second half, doesnt mean it was a highway robbery like u make it out to be.
u r the biggest nuthugger here, not me.
i am just realistic, chuvalo never was able to beat ali, not in the first fight where he lost 12 rounds out of 15.
and also not in the second fight where he was blocking punches with his face.
@t3di2 The Chuvalo / Terrell fight is one of the worst robberies in boxing history. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I'll give you some more evidence to back up what I'm saying, unlike you who just can't stop swallowing huge loads of Ali jizz. After the Terrell / Chuvalo fight, every single reporter was in Chuvalo's corner taking pictures. NOBODY was in Terrell's corner. The fact is that nobody takes pictures of the loser first. They take pictures of the winner. Robbery.
@t3di2 The press weren't all Canadian you idiot. It was the fight for heavyweight championship of the world and you think its just Canadian press? Even if it was, do you think the press would still all go to the loser's corner first? Ya right you moron. Bottom line is it is clear in the media that Ali ducked Chuvalo - it's even in Facing Ali. Go on living in blissful ignorance. Reality is Ali is braindead from some of the bombs he took from Chuvalo. Oh yeah, he also pissed blood after.
@t3di2 Chuvalo never lost to Terrell. Terrell's manager Bernie Glickman threatened the referee Sammy Luftspring and the judges. This is a well known fact. The fact is Ali ducked Chuvalo and this is noted in FACING ALI and also THE LAST ROUND. Let me guess, Facing Ali is biased too, right? Whatever fag. Also, Chuvalo won way more rounds than that but the judges weren't scoring his kidney shots. Ali also hiked up his belt because he knew he couldn't take the body punishment otherwise.
@t3di2 They weren't low you fuckin moron. Ali had hiked up his protective belt way above his belly button. Hmmm, i wonder why? Probably because Chuvalo was the most feared body puncher of the era. If anyone was scared of that, it was Ali because body shots are what will slow a fast guy down. He was scared too, which probably explains why he ducked Chuvalo years earlier after signing to fight him, which I've proven thus far but you fail to acknowledge. You cerebral insufficient.
@t3di2 Chuvalo fought Ali on 17 days notice only when Ali HAD to fight him. Ali wins but gets sent to the hospital after fighting Chuvalo, who Ali has called the toughest opponent of his career on many occasions. Yes, this happened in his own back yard. Chuvalo went out dancing. That's something you'll just have to live with. Come on here all you want and try to bash Chuvalo but he's got his marbles, didn't have to pay off Liston to win, and was never knocked down numerous times like Ali!
@t3di2 Ali didn't nearly kill Terrell. Ali didn't 'nearly kill' anyone. He wasn't a tough puncher and didn't have that kind of power. He was super fast though. Fastest heavyweight ever, just ahead of Patterson IMO, but Patterson was the better puncher.
@t3di2 Wow you replied really quickly. You must have sucked Ali off REALLY QUICKLY that time. Way to go! Fact is that Liston takes dives and quits in corners. Ali gets knocked down by bums like Wepner and Cooper, who was always afraid to fight Chuvalo as well. Chuvalo never knocked down in 97 fights, toughest fight of Ali's career, and too much of a menace for Ali to face early on. You should try to grasp the truth after swallowing your next bucket of cum you twink.
Uh, no he didn't. Ali hit Chuvalo five times to every one shot he took. George stood in front of him and was an easy target. Bonavena was more difficult to hit because of his awkward style.
@swr112261 Ali never called Bonavena the toughest fighter he ever fought. Bonavena never sent Ali to the hospital. Ali didn't break a contract to avoid fighting Bonavena in 1962. If you need a lesson in boxing history, send me a private message.
@t3di2 Clay ducked Chuvalo after he saw Chuvalo destroy DeJohn in Louisville. Clay was in the crowd and signed to fight the winner of that fight. But after he saw what Chuvalo did to Dejohn, he broke the contract and pussied out. That's why Chuvalo crashed Clay's press conferences in Miami, Detroit, and Toronto dressed as the washer woman calling Clay 'Cautious Clay', holding up the contract in front of all the press to embarrass him.
@t3di2 and i'm not sure why you're saying patterson kicked chuvalo's ass. a lot of people (myself included) think Chuvalo won that fight. Chuvalo vs. Patterson was Ring Magazine Fight of the Year 1965 and those are always hard fought battles, never easy victories. as for the shot ali gave Chuvalo in 1966.... do you call 17 days notice an actual shot? He dodged Chuvalo and then only fought him when he had to - when Ali couldn't fight in the states and Terrell backed out of the fight.
Everyone remembers Chuvalo for having a granite chin, and that was true, but he was a fairly good boxer as well. To this day Chuvalo thinks he won this fight. I don't think so, but everyone expected Ali to whip him and the fight was surprisingly close.
Fights like these prove that Ali never ducked ANYBODY during his 8 years as World Champ, no matter how dangerous they were or where in the world he had to fight. Simply put, THE GREATEST OF ALL TIIIIIIIIIIIIMES!
@RAV52 Ali ducked Chuvalo for 2 or 3 years in the early sixties, actually. Ali broke a contract to fight Chuvalo after Chuvalo beat the hell out of DeJohn in Louisville. Then Chuvalo followed Ali around to different press conferences calling him "Cautious Clay" because he wouldn't honour the contract. Then, when they finally did fight in 1966, Chuvalo was only a substitute for Terrell, who backed out. Chuvalo took the fight on 17 days notice! Quite remarkable. No other HW could do that.
George. God Bless You. You are a true Canadian Hero: As a boxer, you exhibited amazing strength, courage and class; as a man you have shown amazing courage in the battle of life, a battle much more difficult than most people face. Your Order of Canada was certainly well deserved.
This guy George Chuvalo was just talking shit in the dvd "Facing ALI" when he was talking about the fights he kept saying he wanted Liston to win, Norton, Frazier, Foremen, etc. He just wanted Ali to lose, he was probably jealous of his status and that he killed him a Washer Women lol.
@MobHeataEnt yeah obviously, even george foreman said he hated ali and he kept coming up with excuses of why he lost the fight in zaire or ziare but in a book written about ali it said that foreman learned to forgive himself and that ali was truly better then him and won the fight fair and square.
@MobHeataEnt I think you seriously misinterpreted George's words in that movie. He didn't say he "wanted" them all to win, he said he *thought* they would win - like a lot of other people in that time, actually. And he did not sound like a hater at all.
Auburn5978: George Chuvalo was a Canadian, there was no draft in Canada. Ali was NOT a draft dodger, he was a conciencious objector for religious reasons (civilized people know the difference) - dogers run to Canada. MandoG: If Jerry Quarry were champ, and got drafted while champ & refused to go, you bet he'd be persecuted for it.... Was racism part of Ali's troubles? of course...
@auburn5978 It's not like Ali would have been on the frontlines, so it had nothing to do with him being a pussy. The fact that they even tried to draft his was political anyways. You think they would have pulled that shit on Jerry Quarry if he was the champ at the time?
I watched their first fight on ESPN classics and even ali said he was amazed at how tough and great of a fighter Chuvalo was. He also said he was pissing blood for a week because of all the body shots he took from George
ali always had a hard time with chuvalo.witness the first fight.george was caving ali in with body shots.a lesser fighter would have had a tougher time handling those blows.
George Chuvalo came to my school today, is was really aweosme cuz he talked about his fights and how he lost 3 of his sons and his wife to drugs and how drugs can destroy familys, but it was aweosme to meet him hes a great guy
george chuvalo was canadian i think, and only pussy whites are scared of others based on skin, just like only pussy blacks,browns,etc. etc. would be if they were scared of somebody else based on skin color
If shavers, Frazier and EVEN Foreman couln't knock him out. how in the was Chuvalo gonna do that?
Did you see that long left hook from Frazier, when he knocked Ali down, he trew his whole body behinde it. A spectatcular punch, best left hook i have ever seen. But Ali got up like it was nothing. Took him 1 second.
ya mean in a big bout like this they couldnt get a hotter ring girl than at 2;28.cripes
dempsey981 3 months ago
who would you want to meet in a dark street me i take ali in a heart beat he is just going to punch u out not kill you
jackobite68 5 months ago
Chuvalo definitely most underrated!! favorite fights are this one and Ali vs Frazier 2!! these werent matches, these were Wars
illumikiller187 5 months ago
Ali was possibly in the best shape he ever was following his exile and return to the ring. He danced almost the entire fight and NEVER stopped throwing punches with blinding speed. George, to his credit, took every damn one of them, though. To say George was a solid fighter with a chin like granite would be an understatement. Incredibly exciting fight from start to finish.
LedWhisky69 5 months ago
does not matter what chuvalo said with ali going to hospital... the boy got a school of boxing , ali went to hospital because of sore kidneys , chuv was short and the good punches he hit " not much compared to the ones he got on the head from ali " , the proof that ali was not fazed by that and won,diff class , simples
calbo555 6 months ago
@calbo555 Ali went to the hospital after his first fight with Chuvalo - when Ali was in his prime. Chuvalo took that fight on 17 days notice and Ali called it the toughest of his career. And anyone who says Ali wasn't fazed by Chuvalo really didn't watch the fight. Chuvalo was one of the fighters in the golden era that gave Ali the most trouble. Those guys fought 27 rounds, nobody was ever knocked down. Rocky was based on these fights and the Ali-Wepner fight.
atmoi666 2 months ago
@atmoi666 he did yes but he still beat him , that's the difference :D rocky was based on ali's full carrer mostly on frazier never backing down from ali more than wepner tbh , was ali based on his training and heart e.t.c .. chuvalo was a great fighter and had a hard life :(
calbo555 2 months ago
Sounds like most people were cheering for Apollo.
davehead3 6 months ago
chuvalo undropped,ali uncut
themegarampage 7 months ago
Those gloves are tiny holy shit!!!..I never noticed that.
Batman6308 8 months ago
@Ruimarques123 he didn't die, he's still alive
rogoznica741 9 months ago
Chuvalo died at the same hotel my mom worked at she called the police about it. FYI the queen of England stayed there but at the time Chuvalo died it was full of drunks and druggies now its artsy and full of gays and lesbians since the overhaul the Gladstone hotel on queen is the name in Toronto Canada he died of a heroin overdose.
Ruimarques123 9 months ago
@Ruimarques123 are you talking about his son or george?
brokenheros9 9 months ago
@Ruimarques123 I meant his son died my bad.
Ruimarques123 9 months ago
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Ruimarques123 9 months ago
i like early 60s to pre 60s for Ali. After about '65, he slowed down and wasn't really the same fighter that i like
biozamadotcom 9 months ago
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@t3di2
you could say ali invented two styles
but rope a dope was better
he covered up his stamina and loss of speed
genius because with that he figured he could halve his training
ali trained the hardest in zaire since his comeback and worked on his punching power lol he acually foreman was kinda gone by round 4 if you watch carefully
and he wasnt on his toes because the ring was sinking
imamfollower 10 months ago
btw. chuvalos manager stopped the foreman fight, not the ref.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 But it wasn't Chuvalo. Liston AND his trainer both stopped the fight. That's why people lost so much respect for him.
atmoi666 1 year ago
congratulation..
u make a KO3 loss sound like a victory for chuvalo, pathetic :D
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 I never once said Chuvalo beat Foreman. I do believe that the fight was stopped too early. Foreman even acknowledged this during an interview with ESPN. he said himself that he was running out of energy. sometimes you've got to weather a storm, which is what most fighters tried to do against tyson. Tyson blows all his steam within the first 3 or 4 rounds. If a fighter can make it past that point, they've got a serious shot because he slows down bigtime. Foreman was the same.
atmoi666 1 year ago
CHUVALO - 65 knockouts, never down in his entire career, and heavyweight champion of Canada for over 2 decades. Star on the Walk of Fame, member of the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame and World Boxing Hall of Fame. Toughest opponent of Ali's career -sent Ali to the hospital on just 17 days notice. Ranked in the top ten of heavyweight boxing longer than any other fighter in history.
LEGEND
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
"waiting for his opponent to gas out"
AHAHAHAHAHAH, who do u think u r fooling?
i have seen the fight, foreman nearly killed chuvalo.
2 more rounds & they would have carried your hero in a box out of madison square garden.
quit telling bs stories & accept the reality for a change.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Yeah right, man. Foreman is known for blowing all of his steam. He hits hard but isn't a very technical fighter at all. I doubt after all those punches, Foreman would have been able to continue at the same pace. At either rate, the ref stops the fight without a knockdown! And you think in another two rounds that Chuvalo would not just be knocked down but carried out? he was never knocked down in his career you dumbass. Unlike Foreman, who gasses out against Ali. Not Chuvalo though
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
i know u dont realize this because u r too dumb, thats why i am gonna tell u something now.
u discredit foreman, the very same foreman who absolutely destroyed your hero.
and at the same time u want me to believe chuvalo was such a great fighter?
your analogy is really fantastic.. idiot :D
btw. there were fighters in history of boxing who died shortly after a fight without getting knocked down.
foreman was the hardest puncher of all time, chuvalo was backing off the whole fight.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 I'm sorry but a guy who was never knocked down in 97 fights, and obviously never knocked out, in the golden era of heavyweights is a great figher. To beat him, you had to keep your distance and use the jab a lot. It's tough to go toe-to-toe with him because he's one of the strongest of the era. He was only stopped twice - by Foreman and Frazier. You had to be an exceptional fighter to stop him. He was great
atmoi666 1 year ago
@t3di2 yeah. waiting for his opponent to gas out. Did you know that Ali asked Chuvalo questions in NYC about fighting Foreman. Chuvalo told him that he will punch himself tired. That's one of the reasons that Ali did the rope-a-dope. He waited for Foreman to gas out. This is something that fighters TRAIN to do because you can't throw non-stop punches. You have to weather a storm and time your attack
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
of course....
u r living in a fantasy world, keep dreaming dude..
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 There's a movie coming out soon on Chuvalo. I'm sure it will outline a lot of the same FACTS i've been telling you. You don't have to watch it, though. But the rest of the world will and you'll just have to live with that. Nothing you can do but cry over there in your shitty country. Go eat schnitzel with Rammstein and David Hasselhoff.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
good for him, i like chuvalo, but i dont believe everything he says unlike u.
fighters do tell a lot, and why do they do that?
because they simply try to boost their own legacy, everyone does.
it doesnt matter if trainer, fighter, or even refs.
they dont tell us the 100% truth, because its simply boring.
for example: cooper to this day claims there was a 3min break after he knocked clay down, yet the original radio broadcast from cnn clearly reveals it was 4 seconds, not 3m
t3di2 1 year ago
@atmoi666
nothing u wrote in the last 10 pages is a fact, its just your opinion & hearsay.
t3di2 1 year ago
@atmoi666
stop telling fairy tales..
chuvalo never said to ali what his strategy was before the foreman fight.
and alis gameplan definitely wasnt to take 500 punches till foreman gets tired, it was an instinctive act during the fight.
his real game plan was to dance & avoid foremans punches, but the ring was just too small for that & ali not as quick as he was when he beat liston in 64.
foreman was 40-0 with 37KO's when he faced ali, nobody knew how to beat him until ali showed it.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Read what I wrote you fucking retard. I never said that Chuvalo told Ali what his strategy was. Ali asked Chuvalo what he noticed about Foreman and Chuvalo told Ali that Foreman isn't mindful of his stamina. He gasses out. It wasn't an instinctive plan during the fight. I'm saying that this probably lead to Ali's decision to rope-a-dope. Ali was telling everyone in interviews before the fight that he was going to do something very different to beat Foreman - and it worked.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
u make it sound like without chuvalo, ali would have lost to foreman.
obviously u r the retard here, chuvalo didnt know shit.
if he knew how to beat foreman, he would have done it to a 21years old inexperienced version of him, yet just blocked punches with his head instead.
without his good chin, he would have lost 90% of his fights, believe me.
foreman cut off the ring too well against ali, but ali still found a way to win, which means it was an instinctive act.
it wasnt planned.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Again, I didn't say that. You have flawed logic. If Ali did not do the rope-a-dope, he still might have won by some other strategy. However, he did to the rope-a-dope and all I'm saying is that he probably got this idea from talking to Chuvalo. Apparently Ali talked to other fighters too and Howard Cossell about his match with Foreman because it was the biggest fight of his life. Chuvalo and Ali like each other a lot and are pretty close. Frazier is also a good friend of Chuvalo's.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
ali always did the rope a dope during his come back years.
watch the frazier fight in 71, or the bonavena fight for that matter in 1970.
but he was a master at fighting with his back on the ropes, he did nothing but that after he got unbanned from boxing.
he had years of experience even before the foreman fight.
t3di2 1 year ago
@atmoi666 Hahahahaha. Ali beat the shit out of that boy. Don't you realize he's just playing with him. Do you realize that or Can't understand that. Chuvalo is not, was not, will never be a serious contender to Ali. He's just a play thing for him. Hospital, nah, ALL boxers go to the hospital. Tyson went MANY times. I know. As far as his Canadian Accomplishments (haha) Being Heavyweight Champ of Canada is like being the top fly on a pile of shit!
bangitslo 1 year ago
@bangitslo Any guy who sends Ali to the hospital with bleeding kidneys, who fights Ali for 27 rounds and gets called the toughest opponent he ever faces, is a serious contender. Even Ali wouldn't agree with you. Look, I admire Ali, particularly for his stance on the Vietnam war. But I don't find him the most entertaining fighter ever. I like the brawlers: Chuvalo, Lamotta, Gatti, Hagler, etc. These guys come to fight and they're entertaining to watch even if they lose.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@bangitslo Nowadays the Canadian Heavyweight Title isn't nearly as glamorous but during the Golden Era it was up there with the British Commonwealth Title. Definitely some good contenders and a lot more competition then. I wouldn't call it "top fly on a pile of shit". It just sounds like you don't like Canada very much and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666 Whoa, don't get so testy. "Top fly on a pile of shit" is a very, very old saying. I Love Canada. Been there many times. I have several friends there. Just saying really unless it's a World title - it's not very glamorous. George was a credible fighter. Just limited that's all.
bangitslo 1 year ago
here is what boxing-memorabilia wrote about their second fight:
Chuvalo survived as Ali hit him almost at will. The fight looked set for the distance from the start; the decision, though, was never in doubt.
read it again, the decision was never in doubt!
nobody thought chuvalo won the second fight, nobody.
u & chuvalo are the only ones who think he won the fight.
u dont win fights by blocking punches with the head, we saw how that worked against foreman................. not :D
t3di2 1 year ago
I'm sure Chuvalo used his head to make Ali's kidneys bleed too, right? Ask the 65 guys he knocked the fuck out if he was using his head for those knockouts too. Fuckin' moron! You can't point to one single round where Ali clearly dominated. Not one round out of 27. Ali gets knocked down by bums like Wepner. Chuvalo sends Ali to the hospital and never gets knocked down. His legendary status as the toughest guy boxing has ever seen is untouchable. Nothing you can say or do about that.
atmoi666 1 year ago
clay never signed aynthing.
chuvalo was dressed like an old lady, he tried to make clay sign the contract by provoking him.
but clay already had other plans, he was going to fight liston who was undefeated for nearly 10 years in miami, it was the right decision.
best fight of all time, i love the first clay liston fight.
but if it makes u feel better, keep believing he ducked someone he fought & beat twice.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 hey its already well known in the boxing scene that Ali ducked Chuvalo. So go ahead and keep believing what you want, even refusing to watch a documentary that explains exactly what happened. This doc wasn't made by Chuvalo but the national film board of Canada. You're just fucking ignorant and don't know a fuckin' thing about boxing. Your favourite fight is one in which one of the participants quits in a corner? Yeah, that says a lot how fuckin' retarded you are.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
"hey its already well known in the boxing scene that Ali ducked Chuvalo"
i bet u meant: "its already well known in the boxing scene chuvalo lost all his big fights"
like against ali, or patterson, or frazier, or foreman, folley, johansson and the list goes on.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 I think Chuvalo beat Ali, especially in their second fight. Patterson/Chuvalo was an all-out-brawl that should have been a draw, although I think Chuvalo had the edge. But the fight was at MSG and Patterson is from New York. Good luck with the judges on that one. But it was Ring Magazine Fight of the Year in 1965. Awesome fight. He lost against Frazier and the Foreman fight was stopped too early. He was robbed against Zora Folley (everyone knows this) and he never fought Johansson
atmoi666 1 year ago
@t3di2 and now that you've seen Chuvalo dressed up as a washerwoman saying to ali "Yooohooo Cautious, you forgot to honour this", how does that fit with what you're saying? You're only expected to honor agreements that you enter into. Ali didn't want a tough fight, though. He can just fight a higher ranked quitter instead. Now go fuck yourself and reply once you learn a bit more about boxing.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
like i said, chuvalo was a nobody in 63, everyone wanted to see clay back up his trash talks by fighting sonny liston.
liston was the man to beat at the time, not your canadian childhood hero chuvalo.
and again, clay never signed anything, i proved that u r just a little butthurt fanboy who likes spreading half truths on youtube..
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Chuvalo was a nobody in 63?!?!? Are you fucking mental? He was in the top ten and, actually, in the top ten for over 17 years. Longer than any heavyweight in history, dumbass. And I'm not spreading half-truths. I've sent you video clips proving my side, unlike you who just logs on and reponds with nonsense every fucking time. Now go eat a Schnitzel you nazi scumbag
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
haha, its really funny how u claim chuvalo always got robbed, u r a delusional fanboy, no way chuvalo won those fights.
even the canadian press had patterson winning the fight 6-5-1, it was not controversial like u claim.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 If it really was 6-5-1 then nobody would say its a clear victory. And yes, Chuvalo was robbed on many occasions. Watch his fights against Bonavena, Cleroux, Terrell. It was the era that boxing was corrupted the most and you think its funny when a fan claims that a fighter was robbed then? How is that funny? It's entirely realistic you fucking idiot
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
do u really think chuvalo got robbed in his home town toronto against terrell?
where he was fucking born?
your vision is clearly blocked by chuvalos sperm, wash your fucking face & watch the fights again.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 I'm not the only one who thought he was robbed. The entire crowd knew it. All the reporters knew it because they were all in Chuvalo's corner after the fight. NOBODY was in Terrell's corner. The reason Terrell won is because he went the distance with Chuvalo and his manager, mob boss Bernie Glickman, threatened the judges and the referee. The ref of the fight admitted this later on. Glickman also tried to threaten Ali's camp but they beat him and he ended up in a mental institution.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
the fight was in canada u dumb ass, in chuvalos home town toronto.
terrell won the fight, he won the whole first half of it, he slowed down later but still managed to win.
u just repeat the things chuvalo says in interviews.
i bet u r his son, because its inredible how dumb u r, the punches chuvalo took maybe didnt damage his brain, but they definitely damages his sperms :D
go watch some more chuvalo propaganda docus, where he desperately tries to explain why he never won a title.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Aww are you starting to watch Chuvalo interviews? Good for you. Becoming a fan, maybe? Given that he's the only fighter from that era who can speak and think clearly, he's one of our only CREDIBLE sources on heavyweight boxing in the golden era. You're probably just a bum that Chuvalo destroyed, old and angry that you aren't as tough as him. Neither you or anyone you will ever know will ever be as tough as Chuvalo. You'd be the only one cheering at the Chuvalo Terrell fight.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
i didnt saw the interview, someone just created a thread on boxingscene where he asked if its true or not.
chuvalo is 51years older than me, you r obviously very weak in math.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 oh, so you're just a kid. maybe you should go listen to Rammstein and keep worshipping David Hasselhoff you German fag. Go ask your heavyweight Willie Besmanoff if Chuvalo is the bum you claim he is. Chuvalo knocked that guy down like 10+ times
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
i never had a problem with chuvalo.
i just have a problem with the delusional idiot named atmoi666, who happens to be the biggest delusional fan of chuvalo, who clearly does nothing but worship him 24/7 on yt.
he lost twice to ali, u should accept this, and stop crying around.
t3di2 1 year ago
@atmoi666
he was in top ten for over 17 years, yet he never won the title.
thats all u need to know about him, the only thing u & his other delusional canadian fans can do now is cry on youtube how he got robbed everytime...
have fun, faggot.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 CLAY SIGNED A CONTRACT TO FIGHT THE WINNER OF CHUVALO VS. DEJOHN AND THEN ONCE CLAY SAW WHAT CHUVALO DID TO DEJOHN, HE PUSSIED OUT AND BACKED OUT OF THE FIGHT. WHEN CLAY FINALLY DID FIGHT CHUVALO, IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE HE HAD TO, SINCE TERRELL BACKED OUT. THEN CLAY GOT SENT TO THE HOSPITAL BY CHUVALO WHO FOUGHT ON 17 DAYS NOTICE. CHUVALO MADE HIS KIDNEYS BLEED AND CLAY CALLED CHUVALO THE TOUGHEST FIGHT OF HIS CAREER. CHUVALO - NEVER KNOCKED DOWN IN 97 PRO FIGHTS. CHAMP OF CANADA 22 YRS
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
no he did not sign the contract, now fuck off :D
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 here's a little lesson in boxing business. contenders don't make contracts with each other stating that the winner can 'hopefully' fight the champion. promoters make the arrangements with the existing champion first and they use that agreement for a future matchup to promote the current fight. that being said, how is it even possible that Ali didn't sign to fight Chuvalo if Chuvalo had signed to fight Ali?
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
where was chuvalos toughness when foreman kicked the shit out of him, where??
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Foreman said Chuvalo hit him harder than any other fighter. Also, Chuvalo was on the ropes absorbing some of the biggest punches boxing has ever seen, waiting for his opponent to gas out. By the time he started to fight back, Arthur Mercante stopped the fight. Watch the ESPN special with Chuvalo, Holmes, and Bert Sugar talking about Foreman. Maybe then you'll 'get it'. Oh wait, ESPN is biased too, right?
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
foreman said also ron lyle was the hardest hitter he faced.
t3di2 1 year ago
@atmoi666
ali didnt win a clear round out of 27.
u r very sick in your head, u clearly lost touch with the reality.
i said even the canadian press, C-A-N-A-D-I-A-N had patterson winning the fight.
the american press had floyd patterson winning by 9-2-1
t3di2 1 year ago
It doesn't matter what the rankings are. He broke a contract because he was scared. Bottom line. And if you have half a brain, you would know that I never admitted that Liston was the better fighter. You might want to re-read that. But I don't expect you to read and learn well given that nothing I've said seems to sink in with you. Clay ducked Chuvalo. It's in FACING ALI and its in THE LAST ROUND whether you like it or not.
Pow! You have aids.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
rankings do matter, it doesnt matter how many times u claim they dont.
clay was the nr. one contender, which means he had every right to call out sonny & fight him.
chuvalo only had a good chin, thats it
liston on the other hand was undefeated for 9 1/2 years until he lost to clay in 64.
and chuvalo doesnt say clay broke the contract, how is it even possible to break a contract which u didnt even sign btw?
anyway, he only said alis best performance was the first liston fight.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Chuvalo only had a good chin? First of all, he has the best chin in boxing history. Second, he has 65 knockouts! You don't get that many from just taking shots. Clay can call out anyone he wants but it doesn't mean he's entitled to break agreements. Rankings were likely used an an excuse to break the agreement but its not a valid one. Ali was scared. He did sign the contract and if you youtube search "chuvalo thatchannel" the entire story is right there.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
no, i already said i am not gonna watch some biased docu where chuvalo is trying to boost his own legacy.
nobody in his right mind would believe this, he fought sonny liston, who is 10x the fighter chuvalo ever was.
and like i said, ali fought chuvalo twice, he gave him a chance to win the title in his home country, yet u claim he ducked him, thats laughable.
he beat him twice & u say he was scared if him?
i take back what i said, u r still in idiot.
t3di2 1 year ago
liston would have beaten chuvalo the same way foreman did.
blocking punches with the head against foreman didnt work well for chuvalo, did it :D?
at least liston quit after he injured his shoulder, chuvalo quit because he was scared to get ktfo against foreman.
sonny liston knocked out prime big cat williams in 59 in round 3, and in 1960 in round 2.
while chuvalo won an UD against an old williams in 71, who was shot with a 357 magnum in his abdomen in 64 by a cop, he was lucky to survive...
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Chuvalo didn't quit against Foreman you idiot. Wow. Now everyone will realize you're a total fucking tool. Liston would've lost because he was a heroin addict. Liston quit like a chump. Chuvalo will forever be remembered as tougher than any of the fighters you've mentioned. This is something you'll have to live with, whether you like it or not. History will carry on irrespective of your incorrect and uninformed opinion. I can't believe that out of a million sperm, ur the quickest!
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
hey, at least liston was the undisputed champion of the world, unlike chuvalo, who had to beg for a title fight..
liston used the first chance he got to win the title, unlike chuvalo, who failed twice.
he couldnt even win the wba belt lol.
liston beat up patterson, kod him twice in the first round while making him look like nothing, the same patterson beat your hero.
liston beat prime big cat williams, chuvalo barely beat an old & literally shot williams on points.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 I'm not saying Liston wasn't a great fighter. He's one of my favourites. But I admire Chuvalo more because of he is relentless and doesn't surrender. And Chuvalo never had to beg for a title fight you fuckin retard. He earned it fair and square but Ali backed out when he saw what Chuvalo did to Dejohn. And when Chuvalo did get the chance against Terrell, he was robbed. Everyone knows it. The Sports Network even did a special on it and WBC gave Chuvalo an honorary belt.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
chuvalo was rated #9 in 1963, clay was the number one contender, and the 3rd best heavyweight in 1963 was doug jones
so why should he wait?
he predicted that he would win the world heavyweight title in 64, and he did.
and thanks for admitting that liston was the greater fighter, u arent as dumb as i thought u were :D
but u contradicted yourself by admitting this, because your whole argumenation absolutely makes zero sense now.
clay fought the better fighter = he didnt duck anyone
t3di2 1 year ago
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@t3di2 It doesn't matter what the rankings are. He broke a contract because he was scared. Bottom line. And if you have half a brain, you would know that I never admitted that Liston was the better fighter. You might want to re-read that. But I don't expect you to read and learn well given that nothing I've said seems to sink in with you. Clay ducked Chuvalo. It's in FACING ALI and its in THE LAST ROUND whether you like it or not.
Pow! You have aids.
atmoi666 1 year ago
t3di2 1 year ago
u say clay was scared to fight chuvalo after he saw him destroying a bum named DeJohn in 5 rounds.
why wasnt he scared to fight liston then, who destroyed the youngest world heavyweight champion ever at the time twice in the first round?
that makes no sense, he fought liston because liston was the champ, chuvalo wasnt, simple as that.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Dejohn was no bum. He was always in the thick of the era, a top 10 fighter for sure. Get your facts straight.
atmoi666 1 year ago
frazier was also hospitalized after their first fight, does that make his victory over ali less impressive?
t3di2 1 year ago
13di2: Known FACT Ali tried dckng GC.BTW, dude, Ali used hs exposd kidneys/liver/stomach 2 "block" GC's body shots. Tht's y he ws in hsptl bed pissng blud & GC ws on dnce flo, 2 hrs aftr fite, doin' salsa!!! Edctnl note 4 ya: Ali quotd SEV'L x's syng only fghtr who hit hm hrdr thn JF ws George Chuvalo! GC, not once, evr gt stggrd or in ANY trble frm Ali's shots. Wtch both fites & tell me(try 2 b semi-objctv)if u see GC stggrd/hrt/in trbl from Ali's pnchs.
3244gorilla 1 year ago
@3244gorilla
it doesnt matter what they were doing after the fight, the only thing which matters is what were they doing DURING the fight.
t3di2 1 year ago
i am glad he fought liston in 64 and not chuvalo, why should he waste his prime to fight chuvalo when he can fight for the world heavyweight championship against an atg like liston.
he did the right thing, the first fight between clay & liston is my favorite fight of all time :D
t3di2 1 year ago
Atmol666: Damn, hit thze GC haters w/ FACTS, man. Clay "homey superfans" cn't swallow facts...17 days notice in 66 "Chk out Round 15, boyz. This cemented Clay's need 2 recuperate frm kidney dmge 4 1.5 days in hsptl immdtly aftr fite. GC was photogrfd DANCING, same nite, rite aftr fite!!! Clay sed GC hrdst pnchr, nxt 2 Smokin' Joe. Watch Cosell-Clay i-views, biatches.
3244gorilla 1 year ago
@3244gorilla
since when does it matter who was able to dance after the fight??
chuvalo was blocking punches with his face in both fights, he lost on all 3 scorecards by a wide UD in both fights.
its incredible u idiots wanna make me believe clay ducked chuvalo, he fought him twice, what more do u want?
t3di2 1 year ago
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Ali can't punch.
Foreman stopped Chuvalo in 3, Frazier in 4.
marcxopoco 1 year ago
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marcxopoco 1 year ago
I like Chuvalo's unique defensive style of blocking Ali's punches with his FACE.
RAV52 1 year ago
ali beat the fuck outta him chuvalo isnt shit
TheKosuke12 1 year ago
@ 1:57-1:59 ???????????????
what??????????
imamfollower 1 year ago
chuvalo should have been a tune up fight for him before the liston fight, but listons manager wanted the fight earlier.
this was the reason why clay fought liston instead of chuvalo in 64.
u r telling me clay should have turned the offer down to fight the heavyweight champion of the world for chuvalo?
sure......
chuvalo had 2 fights against ali, he lost both, fact.
what u r telling me is just your opinion, no fact.
t3di2 1 year ago 2
@t3di2 All I can say is watch The Last Round: Chuvalo vs. Ali. Or, read up on golden era boxing. I have no reason to make anything up. That documentary actually shows when Ali broke the contract. I bet you if Ali won, he sure would have fought DeJohn pretty quickly.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@t3di2 Actually its all outlined in the documentary 'The Last Round: Chuvalo vs. Ali'. Not my opinion. I'm just relaying what happened. Liston wasn't supposed to fight Clay. Clay was supposed to fight the winner of Chuvalo vs. DeJohn but he chickened out. Anyway, you don't have to believe me but you should check out that documentary and judge for yourself.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
wow, if i wanted to see a biased docu, i would watch loose change :D
clay was ready for liston, he fought & beat him, won the wbc belt with the age of only 22, was the second youngest heavyweight champion after patterson until tyson 86.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 How would you feel that the doc is biased? They don't argue that Chuvalo won the fight. But it does explain when and why Ali ducked Chuvalo and it shows the times when Chuvalo chased him around the country at press conferences holding up the contract he broke, calling him "Cautious Clay". You don't have to check it out but this is pretty well known and accepted information in the boxing world. I think Ali is great too, but I think we've overestimated him and underestimated CHuvalo.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
i wouldnt call that a duck.
chuvalo might have been a good heavyweight, but he was nothing compared to liston.
there wasnt a bigger fight in 1964 than cassius clay vs sonny liston, clay made the right decision, a fight with chuvalo wouldnt have proved anything during that time.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Okay so Ali signs a contract to fight the winner of Chuvalo vs. DeJohn and then Ali, who is in the crowd, sees Chuvalo totally destroy Dejohn (who is trained by Dundee, btw) and then decides not to fight him. You wouldn't call that a duck? Hah! The fact is that Ali wouldn't fight Chuvalo until he had to in 1966 when Terrell backed out, and that gave Chuvalo only 17 days notice! On 17 days notice he still did better than Liston. Chuvalo "nothing compared to liston"? Sorry try again.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
so what?
frazier did better against ali than foreman, that proves nothing..
just look what liston did to patterson, knocked him out twice in the first round in 62 & 63.
the same patterson who beat chuvalo 2 years after he got destroyed by liston.
tri angle theories doesnt work.
just compare listons career to chuvalos, liston is the superior boxer, thats not even debatable.
not even chuvalo himself would claim he is better than liston.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Patterson was scared of Liston and lost those fights before they began. I'll compare Liston to Chuvalo right now. Liston sat in his corner and took the chump's way out. He took a dive in their second fight. Chuvalo NEVER did this. It took a broken eye socket to make Chuvalo retire. Liston signed to fight Chuvalo but by the time the contract reached Chuvalo, Liston was dead of a heroin overdose. If that's what Liston was up to, he probably would have lost.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
well the fact patterson was scared of him says a lot
everyone was scared of the big bad bear until cassius clay beat him
and u r wrong again, liston & chuvalo were never going to fight
chuvalo was rated #9 best heavyweight in 1963, he wasnt the number one contender, clay was, so he got a fight with liston
liston was going to fight henry cooper after he beat chuck wepner in 1970,not chuvalo, u r wrong, again.
no one i talked boxing with thinks chuvalo is better than liston, except u
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Check this link: They were supposed to fight, I'm not wrong about this. And ratings of fighters have nothing to do with contracts. The reality is Ali broke the contract to fight Chuvalo. There's plenty of evidence for this but you just can't seem to get a grip on reality. Twink.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
clay never signed the contract to fight chuvalo.
their promoters were just talking about a possible fight between the two.
but then liston wanted a fight with clay, so clay fought the champ instead the #9 rated chuvalo.
even though liston beat up patterson with ease, clay wasnt scared to fight him, he was at his best, there was no reason to be scared.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Okay I'm seriously debating if your parents were high on crack when they conceived you. Youtube search "chuvalo jay" and watch the first video that comes up. Chuvalo signed a contract that Ali had already signed. Ali was supposed to fight the winner of Chuvalo vs. Dejohn and then Ali backed out when he saw how dangerous Chuvalo is. These are the facts and I'm providing you with evidence. Watch THE LAST ROUND. End of story.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
hehe, the fact u r getting personal now only proves i am right.
and like i already said yesterday, i am not going to watch a one sided biased documentary about how clay "ducked" chuvalo.
every fighter ali has faced is trying to boost his own legacy by talking bullshit.
ali & chuvalo fought twice, in 1966 & 1972, how was he scared of him when they fought twice?
chuvalo lost to foreman, patterson, folley, terrell... all the fighters ali has beaten..
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 What are you right about? The documentary is about how the Clay vs. Chuvalo match is pretty much the fight that saved boxing in an era of corruption and political turmoil. The documentary is not about how Clay ducked Chuvalo, but it definitely highlights it because its important since Clay only fought Chuvalo when he had to, on 17 days notice, and still ended up in the hospital. As for the 2nd fight, many people (myself included) think Chuvalo won. Chuvalo was robbed against Terrell.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
just for the record, ali got released the same night from the hospital, he didnt stay there longer than 60minutes.
u talk like he was in coma for 5months :D
ali was playing with chuvalo in the second fight.
all 3 judges had ali up by at least 7points, it wasnt even a close fight, its just a desperate attempt from u to win an unwinnable debate.
btw. who r the many ppl u r talking about who had chuvalo winning?
no one at the ring side said he won, stop making up stories.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 No he spent the night at the hospital and was pissing blood for three weeks after the match. You talk like it wasn't the toughest fight of Ali's career. Keep drinkin' the Ali juice, you fuckin' mistake. And nobody in their right mind would ever say Ali was playing with Chuvalo, not even Ali. Neither fighter was staggered in 27 rounds. Judges voted for Terrell too. Doesn't mean shit in that era. I'm not making anything up. You're just accepting the biased US version of boxing.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
terrell vs chuvalo wasnt a robbery, terrell won the first half of the fight easily, he slowed down in the second half, doesnt mean it was a highway robbery like u make it out to be.
u r the biggest nuthugger here, not me.
i am just realistic, chuvalo never was able to beat ali, not in the first fight where he lost 12 rounds out of 15.
and also not in the second fight where he was blocking punches with his face.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 The Chuvalo / Terrell fight is one of the worst robberies in boxing history. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I'll give you some more evidence to back up what I'm saying, unlike you who just can't stop swallowing huge loads of Ali jizz. After the Terrell / Chuvalo fight, every single reporter was in Chuvalo's corner taking pictures. NOBODY was in Terrell's corner. The fact is that nobody takes pictures of the loser first. They take pictures of the winner. Robbery.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
the fight was in canada, of course they root for chuvalo..
thats your evidence? idiot...
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 The press weren't all Canadian you idiot. It was the fight for heavyweight championship of the world and you think its just Canadian press? Even if it was, do you think the press would still all go to the loser's corner first? Ya right you moron. Bottom line is it is clear in the media that Ali ducked Chuvalo - it's even in Facing Ali. Go on living in blissful ignorance. Reality is Ali is braindead from some of the bombs he took from Chuvalo. Oh yeah, he also pissed blood after.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
chuvalo lost in his own backyard to terell, while ali nearly killed terell.
folley beat chuvalo, patterson beat him too
ali beat all these fighters with ease, including chuvalo himself 2x.
yet u claim he ducked him, who is the ignorant of us two now?
ali is not brain dead, but clearly u r.
chuvalo won only 1 round in the first ali fight in his own backyard, thats pathetic...
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Chuvalo never lost to Terrell. Terrell's manager Bernie Glickman threatened the referee Sammy Luftspring and the judges. This is a well known fact. The fact is Ali ducked Chuvalo and this is noted in FACING ALI and also THE LAST ROUND. Let me guess, Facing Ali is biased too, right? Whatever fag. Also, Chuvalo won way more rounds than that but the judges weren't scoring his kidney shots. Ali also hiked up his belt because he knew he couldn't take the body punishment otherwise.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
u mean the judges werent scoring chuvalos countless low blows? how dare they!!!
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 They weren't low you fuckin moron. Ali had hiked up his protective belt way above his belly button. Hmmm, i wonder why? Probably because Chuvalo was the most feared body puncher of the era. If anyone was scared of that, it was Ali because body shots are what will slow a fast guy down. He was scared too, which probably explains why he ducked Chuvalo years earlier after signing to fight him, which I've proven thus far but you fail to acknowledge. You cerebral insufficient.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
sry m8, u didnt prove shit.
u just share your biased opinions about the events.
the only thing u did so far is talking about how great of a dancer chuvalo was, thats it :D
chuvalo might have been a good dancer in a club, but ali could dance in the ring & beat the shit ouf his opponents at the same time.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Chuvalo fought Ali on 17 days notice only when Ali HAD to fight him. Ali wins but gets sent to the hospital after fighting Chuvalo, who Ali has called the toughest opponent of his career on many occasions. Yes, this happened in his own back yard. Chuvalo went out dancing. That's something you'll just have to live with. Come on here all you want and try to bash Chuvalo but he's got his marbles, didn't have to pay off Liston to win, and was never knocked down numerous times like Ali!
atmoi666 1 year ago
@t3di2 Ali didn't nearly kill Terrell. Ali didn't 'nearly kill' anyone. He wasn't a tough puncher and didn't have that kind of power. He was super fast though. Fastest heavyweight ever, just ahead of Patterson IMO, but Patterson was the better puncher.
atmoi666 1 year ago
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atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
where do u back up your arguments with facts?? where?
fucking canadian faggot, go listen to justin bieber instead of trying to be funny on youtube by insulting ppl.
ali beat chuvalo twice, now suck my dick u faggot.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Wow you replied really quickly. You must have sucked Ali off REALLY QUICKLY that time. Way to go! Fact is that Liston takes dives and quits in corners. Ali gets knocked down by bums like Wepner and Cooper, who was always afraid to fight Chuvalo as well. Chuvalo never knocked down in 97 fights, toughest fight of Ali's career, and too much of a menace for Ali to face early on. You should try to grasp the truth after swallowing your next bucket of cum you twink.
atmoi666 1 year ago
George iis the Champ
kidrodeo 1 year ago
i always wondered why boxers have their shorts pulled up so high lol
kemery22222 1 year ago
if only Chuvalo was just a little faster like Bonevena
billthestinker 1 year ago
@billthestinker Chuvalo gave Ali a lot more trouble than Bonavena did
atmoi666 1 year ago
Uh, no he didn't. Ali hit Chuvalo five times to every one shot he took. George stood in front of him and was an easy target. Bonavena was more difficult to hit because of his awkward style.
swr112261 1 year ago
@swr112261 Ali never called Bonavena the toughest fighter he ever fought. Bonavena never sent Ali to the hospital. Ali didn't break a contract to avoid fighting Bonavena in 1962. If you need a lesson in boxing history, send me a private message.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
he won the wbc title on february 25 1964, u r telling us that young clay ducked chuvalo to fight liston?
liston knocked out patterson twice in a row in the first fucking round, the very same guy who kicked chuvalos ass.
ali fought chuvalo in 66, he gave him a shot to this title, what more could he have done?
in 64 ali was even better, he would have beaten him even by a ko like liston.
chuvalo is a great fighter, he was never down in over 90 fights, but ali was simply more skilled.
t3di2 1 year ago
@t3di2 Clay ducked Chuvalo after he saw Chuvalo destroy DeJohn in Louisville. Clay was in the crowd and signed to fight the winner of that fight. But after he saw what Chuvalo did to Dejohn, he broke the contract and pussied out. That's why Chuvalo crashed Clay's press conferences in Miami, Detroit, and Toronto dressed as the washer woman calling Clay 'Cautious Clay', holding up the contract in front of all the press to embarrass him.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@t3di2 and i'm not sure why you're saying patterson kicked chuvalo's ass. a lot of people (myself included) think Chuvalo won that fight. Chuvalo vs. Patterson was Ring Magazine Fight of the Year 1965 and those are always hard fought battles, never easy victories. as for the shot ali gave Chuvalo in 1966.... do you call 17 days notice an actual shot? He dodged Chuvalo and then only fought him when he had to - when Ali couldn't fight in the states and Terrell backed out of the fight.
atmoi666 1 year ago
chuvalo the greatest of all times
DjDano500 1 year ago
to beat chuvalo u have to be basically naturally built to fight
All frazier , foreman and ali has proven this
blackoil911 1 year ago
Everyone remembers Chuvalo for having a granite chin, and that was true, but he was a fairly good boxer as well. To this day Chuvalo thinks he won this fight. I don't think so, but everyone expected Ali to whip him and the fight was surprisingly close.
zenmachinefilms 1 year ago
WHY ARE SOME MANY OBSESSED WITH YOU KNOW WHO????? ALI
Tex200950 1 year ago
Fights like these prove that Ali never ducked ANYBODY during his 8 years as World Champ, no matter how dangerous they were or where in the world he had to fight. Simply put, THE GREATEST OF ALL TIIIIIIIIIIIIMES!
RAV52 1 year ago
@RAV52 Ali ducked Chuvalo for 2 or 3 years in the early sixties, actually. Ali broke a contract to fight Chuvalo after Chuvalo beat the hell out of DeJohn in Louisville. Then Chuvalo followed Ali around to different press conferences calling him "Cautious Clay" because he wouldn't honour the contract. Then, when they finally did fight in 1966, Chuvalo was only a substitute for Terrell, who backed out. Chuvalo took the fight on 17 days notice! Quite remarkable. No other HW could do that.
atmoi666 1 year ago
@atmoi666
ali fought liston in 64 instead chuvalo, the greatest fight of all time.
why fight cuvalo, if he can fight a much more dangerous fighter - sonny liston, makes no sense, think about it.
t3di2 1 year ago
neither fighter had the big punch needed to hurt the other..maybe the 2 greatest chins in heavyweight history
sugarnadf 1 year ago
man at least frazier gave him a hard time lol. proves that just being tough isn't enough.
Robstailey 1 year ago
George. God Bless You. You are a true Canadian Hero: As a boxer, you exhibited amazing strength, courage and class; as a man you have shown amazing courage in the battle of life, a battle much more difficult than most people face. Your Order of Canada was certainly well deserved.
fanwuren 1 year ago
@fanwuren i met george in 1998 in my school..very nice man....
romans52345 1 year ago
This guy George Chuvalo was just talking shit in the dvd "Facing ALI" when he was talking about the fights he kept saying he wanted Liston to win, Norton, Frazier, Foremen, etc. He just wanted Ali to lose, he was probably jealous of his status and that he killed him a Washer Women lol.
MobHeataEnt 1 year ago
@MobHeataEnt yeah obviously, even george foreman said he hated ali and he kept coming up with excuses of why he lost the fight in zaire or ziare but in a book written about ali it said that foreman learned to forgive himself and that ali was truly better then him and won the fight fair and square.
BOXERNATE1 1 year ago
@MobHeataEnt I think you seriously misinterpreted George's words in that movie. He didn't say he "wanted" them all to win, he said he *thought* they would win - like a lot of other people in that time, actually. And he did not sound like a hater at all.
iuria1521 1 year ago
Auburn5978: George Chuvalo was a Canadian, there was no draft in Canada. Ali was NOT a draft dodger, he was a conciencious objector for religious reasons (civilized people know the difference) - dogers run to Canada. MandoG: If Jerry Quarry were champ, and got drafted while champ & refused to go, you bet he'd be persecuted for it.... Was racism part of Ali's troubles? of course...
leehollings 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Remember that George Chuvalo was NOT a gutless draft dodger !!!
Ali, of course, refused to serve his country which makes him a POS.
One other thing, Ali hid behind the Moslem religion as an excuse.
Ali, the worst piece of black trash in the boxing world !!!
auburn5978 1 year ago
@auburn5978 It's not like Ali would have been on the frontlines, so it had nothing to do with him being a pussy. The fact that they even tried to draft his was political anyways. You think they would have pulled that shit on Jerry Quarry if he was the champ at the time?
MandoGuerrero2 1 year ago
I watched their first fight on ESPN classics and even ali said he was amazed at how tough and great of a fighter Chuvalo was. He also said he was pissing blood for a week because of all the body shots he took from George
Bovro 1 year ago
All this talk about Chuvalo, Chuvalo, looks like he was getting tagged pretty good to me. so what if he wasn't knocked down.
romienomie 1 year ago
AND AS WE ALL KNOW chuvalo is one best the of HW in that era. take a look at foreman - cxhuvallo
jimiguitar100 2 years ago 5
@jimiguitar100 chuvalo got made a joke of in chuvalo - foreman, what are you saying?
Robstailey 1 year ago
@Robstailey He means that he was able to keep standing in 3 rounds before being TKO'd showing his heart and chin. Joe Frazier fell 6 times.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
from 3:13-3:30.- Ali iis giving the best.
THE BEST EVER
jimiguitar100 2 years ago
ohh, how smart Ali was... i like that about him
jimiguitar100 2 years ago
ali always had a hard time with chuvalo.witness the first fight.george was caving ali in with body shots.a lesser fighter would have had a tougher time handling those blows.
reg5381 2 years ago 3
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reg5381 2 years ago
both were at their peak
except ali
ali was alot more bigger and skillfull during the middle 1970s
blackoil911 2 years ago
George Chuvalo came to my school today, is was really aweosme cuz he talked about his fights and how he lost 3 of his sons and his wife to drugs and how drugs can destroy familys, but it was aweosme to meet him hes a great guy
mikeallan30 2 years ago
ali fag
sorry4sorry 2 years ago
AMAZING to see a white not afraid to fight a american black.Most whites today in america are petrified of blacks.shameful.
scorzeny45 2 years ago
george chuvalo was canadian i think, and only pussy whites are scared of others based on skin, just like only pussy blacks,browns,etc. etc. would be if they were scared of somebody else based on skin color
it does not take skin color to have balls
elcondepatula 2 years ago 2
It is a shame Chuvalo was never a champion. Just once if he could've landed a good punch to Ali's chin or jaw, the tables might have started to turn.
The91stallion 2 years ago
If shavers, Frazier and EVEN Foreman couln't knock him out. how in the was Chuvalo gonna do that?
Did you see that long left hook from Frazier, when he knocked Ali down, he trew his whole body behinde it. A spectatcular punch, best left hook i have ever seen. But Ali got up like it was nothing. Took him 1 second.