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[vasilyjc1955]

I realize you are trying to put the Orthodox in a bad light over this one disputed council, but at least we have kept the traditions,,doctrines and dogma of the early Church. We have not rationalized the Church,or created some "supremacy" to govern.We dod not change The Creed, which changed the theology of the Holy Trinity. The Second Ecumenical Council adopted the Nicene Creed and the Third Council declaring it to be complete and forbade any changes to it.

[vasilyjc1955]

@vasilyjc1955 As far as the Council of Florence goes, this is hotly disputed as being a true ecumenical council. The Greek Orthodox refute it and the Latin west insists on it being ecumenical. I will not get into the political ramifications that were behind this council. The fact is those Orthodox Bishops who "signed on" to the Union of Florence were summarily deposed upon their return.

[vasilyjc1955]

@vasilyjc1955 The Seven Ecumenical Councils were convened in the Eastern part of the Empire, Constantinople, and presided over by the other Eastern Patriarchs and bishops. All of these councils were initiated by the Emperors in the East. No Pontiff or bishop of Rome presided over any of these councils. Your use of the word"ratified" is very misleading, when all involved had to be in equal agreement concerning decisions made at these councils.

[vasilyjc1955]

@vasilyjc1955 We have had Pan-Orthodox Councils,Ecumenical Councils, within the Orthodox Church, and All-American Councils.We have a structure with regards to councils and "orthodoxwiki"is not the sole authority. As far as a "universal definition" apparently it hasn't been a necessity. Why the Orthodox need an official position on this is simple ludicrous. It must be stressed that Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy are structured very differently.

[vasilyjc1955]

@vasilyjc1955 I would like to clarify some of the information in this video. The Orthodox Church in general does not agree with "receptionism"and has no standard

" theory" on it. As far as not having an official position regarding," what makes a council ecumenical", this is not true.The principle that hierarchs can meet and formulate and make disciplinary statements and resolutions that are the will of God and accepted by the entire Church was established in the early church.

[Shlomayo]

@vasilyjc1955

The theory of reception is ahistorical. So much for your statement.

[Shlomayo]

@vasilyjc1955

"Pan-Orthodox-Councils" were what came after the Schismatic East became unable to convoke ecumenical councils due to the schism.

[Shlomayo]

@vasilyjc1955

I have already discussed this issue with another E"O" apologist. Thanks for repeating points long discussed.

[Shlomayo]

@vasilyjc1955

Deposed by whom? The Emperor?

[Shlomayo]

@vasilyjc1955

I realize you are trying to rationalize the failure of the Eastern schismatic Churches here. Sorry, but the cheap shots about the Filioque and Papal Supremacy are rather useless.

[vasilyjc1955]

@Shlomayo I am far from rationalizing. Instead of making off the wall comments, explain why the Orthodox are schismatics, when it was Rome who excommunicated the Eastern Church. Why did the Papacy reject the decisions regarding the Creed in the Second and Third Ecumenical Councils and added the Filioque? Papl supremacy is only a political ideology. PapISM and CatholicISM, are just two more "ISMs" added to the list.

[Shlomayo]

@vasilyjc1955

1) There was no rejection of the Ecumenical Symbol as we use both versions: the issue has been settled in Florence. Some people just never learn, no?

2) Your first statement makes no sense.

3) I rather not respond to your useless propaganda.

[SerbieLibre]

St. Mark of Ephesus, pray for us !

[BlackCappa]

He's not a Saint, but a troublemaker.

[SerbieLibre]

He's not a saint for Roman-Catholics, of course.

:-)

[BlackCappa]

And for Eastern Catholics.

;-)

[SerbieLibre]

Roman-Catholics and "Eastern" Catholics, it's the same.

[BlackCappa]

Eastern Catholics do not fall under the Roman rite though.

But yes, we are Catholics.

[dodge0808]

Great video brother! Thank you for sharing and Pax et Bonum.

God bless you.

[BlackCappa]

Thank you for watching :)

God bless you, too

[TheVeiledCatholic]

Thank you for the video and the song...very nice and informative..I really do learn a lot from videos like this one

[BlackCappa]

Thank you for watching.

The music is Beethoven's "Für Elise".

[TheVeiledCatholic]

I know hehehe...but I didn't write it down because i forgot the spelling :)

[BlackCappa]

Oh, pardon

[TheVeiledCatholic]

N'êtes-vous pas une grosse affaire (French) = it's ok no big deal....hehehe

[BlackCappa]

Oy vey, French :P

[TheVeiledCatholic]

:o)

[nanabonniez]

Great Video! thank you for sharing. I found it very informative. PAX+

[BlackCappa]

Thanks :)

Pax

[havock89]

Well we (RCC) are in communion with the EOC. We are sacramentally in communion with each other, and I hope the church's become closer over time - soon to be the full Orthodox Catholic Church. Yeay, PrAiSe the Lord.

[BlackCappa]

We accept their sacraments as being valid, many of them reject ours (if not all). And we are the "Mother Church" from which the EOC schismed.

There is no visible union yet.

[iosacriost]

excellent

[BlackCappa]

Thanks!

[fromromaniawitlov]

i dont are what sais 'orthodox'wiki

[BlackCappa]

Why? Is it wrong? Or do you just pick and choose what you like?

[AbdielAbiram]

Good video

[BlackCappa]

thanks

[TheEcumenator]

ah good to see some good catholics on the comments!

[Bingolly1]

Thanks for this information. It is something I will look into. GBU

[BlackCappa]

Thanks for watching and reading.

GBU

[BlackCappa]

Don't forget to read the video description box.

[OneTrueChurch]

the reception theory is bogus. If whether or not a council is recieved by the peopel determines whether or not its binding, then that means that truth is determined by whether or not people accept it. Which is clearly false. Truth is truth even if nobody accepts it. If the EO are right, then that means that Jesus must not be the messiah since as scripture says "His own recieved him not" (John 1)

[BlackCappa]

Cool to see you back and active!

And what you say is evidently true.

[OneTrueChurch]

i will post more vids starting in 2 weeks. been super busy with school, just trying to make it through and there have been a few other things going on. But yea i'll be back soon

[BlackCappa]

Private life comes first.

And I'm glad to see you back and looking forward to your new vids.