Man o' War should have a movie! He was the father of War Admiral, triple crown winner, and Grand Father of Seabiscuit! He won most of his races, except one, and he would have totally won the triple crown, but his owner didn't enter him. Also, he won a race by a 100 lengths.
Man O' War is the best ever he won with ease never asked to run incredible horse he was a super horse he was beyond that just wow he was increible the best ever. The best horses also have Man O' War in their pedigree. Man O' War the bet horse ever a super horse
A poignant statement from MOW's trainer, when asked about making a movie about him... He said to the effect that there was no drama, no setbacks, no infirmities that would be the makings of a successful movie. Everyone knows of the soundness, strength, and durability of Man O War.. Although I loved Secretariat's performances and feel he is to be revered forever among TB's, it is rumored he was afflicted with navicular which was either masked or didn't evidence itself until later. This tendency
The American arrogance and ignorance is famose . If a horse wins in USA, without ever leaving his country, , it automatically becomes the best in history. Out of Your Truman Show , out the Hollywood movies , in the real world, everyone knows ..the best horse ever (gallop) is the Italian " RIBOT ", the best trotter ever is Italian " VARENNE " the best jockey ever is the Italian " FRANKIE DETTORI." All people can check these names on internet and make an assessment of the results.
@MrItaliano1900 LMFAO. And all the horses you've so graciously sponsored are Italian. Let me assure you, that had Man O' War come face to face with any horse, American or otherwise, he would've completely annihilated them, with the only real competition being Secretariat. There have been amazing horses born all over the world... not just in the US.
@PredatorHuntress666 I have not sponsored anything !!! If you are completely ignorant is not my fault. You Do not believe what I say if you want, but go on wikipedia and read, can you read? Watch "Varenne", "Ribot" after you've done this .... hide under the bed and ashamed. You Americans are considered clowns in the world of horseracing.
@MrItaliano1900 Of course you did. Purposefully found a video honoring the greatest racehorse of all time, and set out to put forth ITALIAN horses. I'm not jaded; I know who Ribot is. He was a great horse. But does his blood flow through almost every domestic winner in the US? No. There is a reason for that. Do you know that MOW's blood flows from Europe? Probably not.
I am not ashamed. And I still know that he would beat them all. I'm sure that's why Kentucky is the HRC.
All of you people rating Secretariat over Man O'War simply on race records, are comparing apples to oranges. A race horse is rated for greatness on another all-important factor: what happens AFTER the racing ends. Secretariat was syndicated for an obscene amount of money and bred prodigiously, yet never passed on his incredible talent to any of his get. Man O'War on the other hand, sired a triple crown winner, War Admiral, among other outstanding horses. That, my friends, is the sign of true gr
@kjjmac I agree not on record alone, and the amount of money is irrelevant. Secretariat sired Ladys Secret 1986 HOY and Risen Star 1988 winner of two of three triple crown races. They raced in decade where there were over 463,000 thoroughbreds foaled.War Admiral ( a great horse) was racing in a decede that had only 53,000 thoroughbreds foaled.Now THATS comparing apples to oranges.
You are forgetting two things which make Man O'War the undisputed greatest racehorse of all time. Number one: When Man O'War ran, they added lead weights depending on their race records, and Man O'War actually carried 146 lbs. in one race, a staggering weight in ANY time. In modern times, in all of the triple crown races, all three year-old horses carry equal weight(126 lbs.I believe), so Secretariat never had to give his opponents any weight advantages, since he was syndicated and
@Johnryal2Emmysuee MOW didn't have the competition. But more importantly, Secretariat's records are the only ones that still stand...not MOW's. MOW's have been broken. And Secretariat still holds the world record for his Belmont run (and Kentucky Derby). BTW, something I didn't know is that they were roughly the same height but Secretariat's girth was 4 inches thicker because he wighed 120 pds more than MOW! Sec also had a much longer gait. ALL statistics show that MOW's times were behind Sec.
He just didn't want to risk MOW losing the TC. His ego wouldn't allow it. All the B.S. he started with his previous statements would have been to hard to overcome if MOW lost. As I previously stated, MOW definitely would have won. In MOW's era, they didn't have the same quality race horses as they did in the 1970's. MOW would have much stiffer competition had he been born in the 70's. However, I still think MOW's great! To me, Secretariat was Supernatural. Secretariat was THE "miracle horse".
Man O' War only lost because they were using a rope to spring up to start the race, but when the official started the race, Man O' War was facing backwards on the track. He almost passed the other horse by the end. He also won the Belmont by 100 lengths, and was never allowed to run at his true speed. His owner did not run him in the Kentucky Derby because he thought that was too early to race a horse. He changed his mind when he had War Admiral.
Would everyone please stop arguing over who is better? They are each a champion in their own right, and technology has gotten better, so we can't truly tell who is the best. You also have the fact that they lived in seperate decades and they never faced eachother so there. Neither is better than the other. (:
ppl should really stop fighting about these 2 (Sec and MOW) i personally luv both horses cant we just accept tht they were both amazing animals and neither one deserves 2 b put down just becuz u like one more then the other...
@babideeandbree They were both amazing But Secretariat was much more amazing. Secretariat ran much faster times in his 'Workouts in 'MUD' than MOW ran in races on a fast track beating horses by only a length or two with same weight 126 lbs. Thats a FACT. Check the records.
Secretariat hardly ever was encourged to run faster. Turcotte was on just for the ride. Some just cannot stand it for what he done & cut him down everyway they can to defend their horse is better. They stoop so slow to claim he took drugs without proof. The Citation lover do the same thing. The reason MOW was voted #1 is because one judge voted him # 14 best of all time. Bias? Sad but true. You hear these claims by fans not professionals.
@prowlifik He was not hit in the Belmont, 'World Record, Was not hit in the Marlboro Cup, World Record, Hit twice in the Derby, record still stands, Was not hit in the Preakness, record only tied. Not hit in the MOW race, record still stands. Very few times he was hit mr. stupid.
Rescuebroke: Your just like the rest of the Secretariat haters. They found out why he had such a large heart. It was from the X factor given to him by his mother. Large hearts were found in many thoroughbreds back as late in the early 1900's. You make these statements without any proof at all. Just rumors like old women fables. Who is your favorite horsie? Bet he is clean as satin sheets.
Man O' War was held back by Sande, and his other riders, in much of his races, so as not to make the other horses look bad. If Man O' War had not been restrained, He likely would have shattered every track, US and World record that had stood, at that time. In my opinion, Secretariat, War Admiral, Round Tablle, and any or all of the other great thoroughbreds that have followed him, could not have had that capability. Man O' War was truly, once in a Lifetime, a deserved award by Blood Horse
@jdjuliann What is so utterly ridiculous is that your so-caslled comment has no factual foundation. You simply repeat what you have read about MOW being held back so that other horses did not look bad. Then, you simply advance him w/o any performance to back it up and proclaim him the fastest. Talk about logic, or lack thereof. Sec set the standard by actual performance. Yours is mere guesswork. Further, you obviously have no idea of how BH Mag decided that MOW was #1.
It is truly an exercise in futility to say which horse was faster. Man O' War was more consistent, but that doesn't tell us he was intrinsically more talented. You simply can't replicate the track conditions that existed in the different generations. Furthermore, there was technological advances that need to be taken into consideration. And you have to factor in other nuances like weight carried and the relative strength of their competition. They both belong in the top ten IMHO
@Bigshotism The horses in the decades after MOW had to deal with a far higher level of competition as the number of horses bred into racing skyrocketed. As a result, a G1 truly became a G1. I'm not at all knocking MOW, but often the weight he was assigned was due to the fact that, by modern standards, he was running against allowance or lower rated horses. People often make a big deal of MOW winning a race by 100 lengths. What that race really showed is that the horse he ran against was (con)
@Bigshotism not even an allowance horse and I think strange that Riddle accepted the race. I don't think it regarded as a true race. With competition, Sec faced much higher levels of competition; not just the quality of the horse, but horses like Sham/Prove Out, who were not great horses but ran some great races. Finally if Sec had had a more even-tempered trainer, he would not have been entered in the Whitney or the Woodward. Riddle protected MOW better than Sec was protected by his owner.
@bbmtge HOW can you say riddle protected man o war ? man o war was not proected not running with 130lbs on his back, and the race against sir barton showed that. only twice in the history of the turf hae we seen a man challenge a triple crown winner to a match race, that showes that the man had confidence in his horse. and when you have confidence there is no need to protect. just ask jess jacson
@prowlifik Dude, you need to do more research. MOW carried 120 and Sir Barton carried 126 in their match race. SB was on sore hooves and never really stood a chance. This odd obsession with weight carrying (MOW) does not take into account that as a 2YO he ran against barn ponies at 5, 5.5 and 6 furlongs. As a 3YO 6 of his 11 races were against one other horse who would not rate as an allowance horse in the 1970's. I believe as a 3 YO he was over scale 4 times at 129, 139, 135 and 138.
@prowlifik The MOW fans would have one believe that he ran against Sham or Rive Ridge every time in a field of 20 while carrying 150 pounds. Detail, my friend...
@bbmtge so i see that your going to be that guy, that guy that tries to trash MOW by saying he ran against barn ponies, if thats the case SB won the TC with bad hoofs he ran aginst bar ponies to ? or what about ecclips,domino, native dancer the darley arabian, they ran against nobodys to ? man all they can do is run against whats on the track, they cant travel through time to take on the best horses from each era.it makes you look silly when you and others like you try to demean what others did.
@prowlifik You just lost the debate. If you cant answer but to use words like "trash" then fold your hand and walk home. Also, you need to get your reading straight. #1- if you run BSF per Grade category, you will see that horses across each category produce expected BSF's. So, if we take MOW in the Dwyer against John Grier; MOW at 126 and John Grier at 108. MOW wins by 1 1/2 lengths at 1:49 and 1/5. This puts John Grier around 1:49 and 3/5th's. He could not make it in a G3 event con...
@prowlifik That is not trashing a horse, that is rating a horse based on his performance. You cant have it both ways. You cant simply make MOW out to be a myth that carried astronomical weights without analyzing the situation in detail. Further, if he HAD run against top rated horses, the MOW fans would be using that as part of their argument. The fact is, nobody wants to talk about the quality of the competition. Sec ran against horses who carried credentials never seen before con
@prowlifik ...and in most cases, the horses were older horses. Did I say SB won the TC on sore hooves? NO!!! But, did he run against MOW with the problem. Absolutely, so it has to be taken into consideration. I cant help it if when facts are pointed out, you take them personally and claim that MOW is being demeaned. That is your problem, not mine. Learn to deal with facts and the many sides of analysis.
the only thoroughbred ever to finish ahead of Man O' War, was a horse named Upset....in the 1919 Sanford stakes, at Saratoga. Only reason Man O' War didn't win this race as well, was dirty tactics by the rest of the riders, in boxing Man O' War in, much of the early race, and preventing him from getting clear racing track
The only problem I have with Mano o war and his record is that on several occasions, he only faced one horse inferior fields like in the Stuyvesant Handicap and Dwyer stakes. That never would have happened in from the 1960s and on. Here is my last negative on Man o war and it was not his doing.
Foals in both these horses respective years of birth. You do the math in regards to competitors:
As much as a Secretariat fan as I am, I am also a racing fan.We will never know who would hace won with both horses bringing their "A" game to the racetrack. Who is to say that Man o war couldn't have run the same Belmont Secretariat did or run every quarter mile in the Kentucky derby ftser than the previous one as Secretariat did in 1973.Two great horses making for a great baroom conversation.
That may be so, but Secretariat lost to Onion from a fair starting position (starting gate) whereas Man O' War lost by a half-length to Upset from a facing-backwards position. In addition, that circumstance comprised Man O' War's one and only loss, whereas Secretariat had a total of 5 losses (one 4th place finish, one 3rd, & three 2nds). Secretariat is an amazing horse, (of course), but this probably explains why he was ranked the 2nd greatest racehorse of the 20th century, behind Man O' War.
You really want to go by rankings made by prognosticators? Do you know how the prognosticators usually do thaat predict N.F.L., N.B.A.,, M.L.B. "so-called" paper champions every year?
Not to well.
In this case they were both great horses, but, Secretariat left his legacy in record books with records that still stand to this day.
Secretariat lost 5 times! He never carried over 129 lbs, and he was very erratic because of the anabolic steroids. Look at Big Brown---brilliant and explosive until he ran the Belmont steroid-free--then he was a dud. For decades, steroids have been a huge part of racing. Secretariat had questionable semen when he retired. Honest Pleasure was sterile. Winning Colors and Geniune Risk took years to foal because of the steroid use. All the broken bones is from bone loss due to steroids. Sad.
Conjecture on your part regarding the steroids .Like I said, Man O war, albeit great had only limited competition due to the foal count:
1917 -- 1,680
1970 -- 24,954
Man O war may have been luke warm second choice in the Kentucky Derby if he ran in it against Secretariat, by the way a record time that still stands 36 years later even with all these so called horses using steroids.
Not conjecture. In a breed journal mid-70's, there was an article about steroid use in halter horses, and it openly discussed the steroids given to Secretariat. Friends working for TB farms told of steroid use on all the racehorses. Steroids cause enlarged hearts, fertility issues, and broken bones due to bone loss. Last year's Derby brought it out in the open, when Eight Belles broke both front legs. Last year's Breeder's Cup was the first run without steroids, which was openly discussed.
His heart might have been a fraction larger naturally, but enlarged hearts are not a good thing. There are a number of famous racehorses of the last 40 years who had abnormally large hearts, including Spectacular Bid and Forego. In humans or dogs (or any other animal), abnormally large hearts are rightfully considered a sign of heart disease. I feel sad for Secretariat and all the TBs whose bodies are wrecked by steroids. No doubt it shortened Secretariat's life. What a waste.
There was no steroids involved. that anyone is aware of. Sounds like more of a way for you to discredit his greatness and is a Libelous Statements on your part.Anyone who was anyone knew there were no steroids involved. I suggest you contact Bill Nack on that issue.
I always smile when any comments on youtube compare any horse to Man O' War or Secretariat. Physically NO HORSES in racing history compared to the power of these two. They are in a completely different league! Just based on muscle and structure, these 2 were total perfection for racing standards. No other horses come close to this...
@cmf4321 I smile when people compare ANY horse to Man O War, because if he hadn't been held back in all of his races, His records would still be in place today. No horse compares to Man O War, not even Secretariat.
@cmf4321 And I always smile when people are gullible enough to believe an egotistical owner would tell his jockey to "hold back" a horse during a race because he didn't want to hurt other owner's feelings or to make the races more equal...& MOW supposedly won a race by 100 lengths. This is the same owner who didn't race his horse in the K. Derby and came up with an excuse. His fear was that MOW may not live up to expectations & win the Triple Crown. The sad thing is MOW would have won easily.
I like the music. It goes prefect with the video.
cokecaddy 1 week ago
Man o' War should have a movie! He was the father of War Admiral, triple crown winner, and Grand Father of Seabiscuit! He won most of his races, except one, and he would have totally won the triple crown, but his owner didn't enter him. Also, he won a race by a 100 lengths.
saramadi100 3 weeks ago
Man O' War is the best ever he won with ease never asked to run incredible horse he was a super horse he was beyond that just wow he was increible the best ever. The best horses also have Man O' War in their pedigree. Man O' War the bet horse ever a super horse
liljkm12 1 month ago
A poignant statement from MOW's trainer, when asked about making a movie about him... He said to the effect that there was no drama, no setbacks, no infirmities that would be the makings of a successful movie. Everyone knows of the soundness, strength, and durability of Man O War.. Although I loved Secretariat's performances and feel he is to be revered forever among TB's, it is rumored he was afflicted with navicular which was either masked or didn't evidence itself until later. This tendency
NLisi55 2 months ago
The American arrogance and ignorance is famose . If a horse wins in USA, without ever leaving his country, , it automatically becomes the best in history. Out of Your Truman Show , out the Hollywood movies , in the real world, everyone knows ..the best horse ever (gallop) is the Italian " RIBOT ", the best trotter ever is Italian " VARENNE " the best jockey ever is the Italian " FRANKIE DETTORI." All people can check these names on internet and make an assessment of the results.
MrItaliano1900 4 months ago
@MrItaliano1900 LMFAO. And all the horses you've so graciously sponsored are Italian. Let me assure you, that had Man O' War come face to face with any horse, American or otherwise, he would've completely annihilated them, with the only real competition being Secretariat. There have been amazing horses born all over the world... not just in the US.
PredatorHuntress666 1 month ago
@PredatorHuntress666 I have not sponsored anything !!! If you are completely ignorant is not my fault. You Do not believe what I say if you want, but go on wikipedia and read, can you read? Watch "Varenne", "Ribot" after you've done this .... hide under the bed and ashamed. You Americans are considered clowns in the world of horseracing.
MrItaliano1900 1 month ago
@MrItaliano1900 Of course you did. Purposefully found a video honoring the greatest racehorse of all time, and set out to put forth ITALIAN horses. I'm not jaded; I know who Ribot is. He was a great horse. But does his blood flow through almost every domestic winner in the US? No. There is a reason for that. Do you know that MOW's blood flows from Europe? Probably not.
I am not ashamed. And I still know that he would beat them all. I'm sure that's why Kentucky is the HRC.
PredatorHuntress666 1 month ago
Is it just me or does his legs look bigger... Thicker than thoroughbreds of today??
italianbro1234 5 months ago
plus man o war not the only horse to give weight away phar lap gave alot of weight away would that not put him up there ? if its based on that
dunnejamez 6 months ago
to kjjmac does that me cigar was not a good horse because he couldn sire anything or geogre washington ?
dunnejamez 6 months ago
All of you people rating Secretariat over Man O'War simply on race records, are comparing apples to oranges. A race horse is rated for greatness on another all-important factor: what happens AFTER the racing ends. Secretariat was syndicated for an obscene amount of money and bred prodigiously, yet never passed on his incredible talent to any of his get. Man O'War on the other hand, sired a triple crown winner, War Admiral, among other outstanding horses. That, my friends, is the sign of true gr
kjjmac 6 months ago
@kjjmac I agree not on record alone, and the amount of money is irrelevant. Secretariat sired Ladys Secret 1986 HOY and Risen Star 1988 winner of two of three triple crown races. They raced in decade where there were over 463,000 thoroughbreds foaled.War Admiral ( a great horse) was racing in a decede that had only 53,000 thoroughbreds foaled.Now THATS comparing apples to oranges.
funshipM174 5 months ago
To cmf4321:
You are forgetting two things which make Man O'War the undisputed greatest racehorse of all time. Number one: When Man O'War ran, they added lead weights depending on their race records, and Man O'War actually carried 146 lbs. in one race, a staggering weight in ANY time. In modern times, in all of the triple crown races, all three year-old horses carry equal weight(126 lbs.I believe), so Secretariat never had to give his opponents any weight advantages, since he was syndicated and
kjjmac 6 months ago
@Johnryal2Emmysuee MOW didn't have the competition. But more importantly, Secretariat's records are the only ones that still stand...not MOW's. MOW's have been broken. And Secretariat still holds the world record for his Belmont run (and Kentucky Derby). BTW, something I didn't know is that they were roughly the same height but Secretariat's girth was 4 inches thicker because he wighed 120 pds more than MOW! Sec also had a much longer gait. ALL statistics show that MOW's times were behind Sec.
cmf4321 6 months ago
He just didn't want to risk MOW losing the TC. His ego wouldn't allow it. All the B.S. he started with his previous statements would have been to hard to overcome if MOW lost. As I previously stated, MOW definitely would have won. In MOW's era, they didn't have the same quality race horses as they did in the 1970's. MOW would have much stiffer competition had he been born in the 70's. However, I still think MOW's great! To me, Secretariat was Supernatural. Secretariat was THE "miracle horse".
cmf4321 8 months ago
Man O' War only lost because they were using a rope to spring up to start the race, but when the official started the race, Man O' War was facing backwards on the track. He almost passed the other horse by the end. He also won the Belmont by 100 lengths, and was never allowed to run at his true speed. His owner did not run him in the Kentucky Derby because he thought that was too early to race a horse. He changed his mind when he had War Admiral.
fairday2 9 months ago
@Johnryal2Emmysuee Well, you know, they did show him losing the Wood.
carlykaiser 9 months ago
MOW is the best horse of the century... its already been decided upon so dont even try to fight it!!!!!!!!!!
MrAmazingness1234567 1 year ago
The only reason Secretariat ever lost a race is because he was handled by humans.
9Ballr 1 year ago
A wise man once told me dont argue with fools, so iam going to leave it alone.
prowlifik 1 year ago
why did he stop racing after a year?
horsemad20 1 year ago
@horsemad20 man o war raced for 2 years, and if he would have continued it would be just walk overs, he was FEARED
prowlifik 1 year ago
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Bigshotism 1 year ago
Would everyone please stop arguing over who is better? They are each a champion in their own right, and technology has gotten better, so we can't truly tell who is the best. You also have the fact that they lived in seperate decades and they never faced eachother so there. Neither is better than the other. (:
FlowerheartCloudclan 1 year ago
ppl should really stop fighting about these 2 (Sec and MOW) i personally luv both horses cant we just accept tht they were both amazing animals and neither one deserves 2 b put down just becuz u like one more then the other...
babideeandbree 2 years ago
@babideeandbree They were both amazing But Secretariat was much more amazing. Secretariat ran much faster times in his 'Workouts in 'MUD' than MOW ran in races on a fast track beating horses by only a length or two with same weight 126 lbs. Thats a FACT. Check the records.
rscarbro100 1 year ago
Secretariat hardly ever was encourged to run faster. Turcotte was on just for the ride. Some just cannot stand it for what he done & cut him down everyway they can to defend their horse is better. They stoop so slow to claim he took drugs without proof. The Citation lover do the same thing. The reason MOW was voted #1 is because one judge voted him # 14 best of all time. Bias? Sad but true. You hear these claims by fans not professionals.
rscarbro100 2 years ago
that sounds so stupid. RT hit sec many times look at the races he lost.
prowlifik 1 year ago
@prowlifik He was not hit in the Belmont, 'World Record, Was not hit in the Marlboro Cup, World Record, Hit twice in the Derby, record still stands, Was not hit in the Preakness, record only tied. Not hit in the MOW race, record still stands. Very few times he was hit mr. stupid.
rscarbro100 1 year ago
@rscarbro100 notice i said LOOK AT THE RACES HE LOST. DICK FACE
prowlifik 1 year ago
@prowlifik I know what you said. We all know who is a 'DICK FACE' don't we??
rscarbro100 1 year ago
@rscarbro100 get a life rscarbro100!
cindylou6004able 1 year ago
Rescuebroke: Your just like the rest of the Secretariat haters. They found out why he had such a large heart. It was from the X factor given to him by his mother. Large hearts were found in many thoroughbreds back as late in the early 1900's. You make these statements without any proof at all. Just rumors like old women fables. Who is your favorite horsie? Bet he is clean as satin sheets.
rscarbro100 2 years ago
I don't understand the last part of your comment. Where did the satin sheets come from?
RareHonesty 2 years ago
Man O' War was held back by Sande, and his other riders, in much of his races, so as not to make the other horses look bad. If Man O' War had not been restrained, He likely would have shattered every track, US and World record that had stood, at that time. In my opinion, Secretariat, War Admiral, Round Tablle, and any or all of the other great thoroughbreds that have followed him, could not have had that capability. Man O' War was truly, once in a Lifetime, a deserved award by Blood Horse
jdjuliann 2 years ago 25
@jdjuliann THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cindylou6004able 1 year ago
@jdjuliann What is so utterly ridiculous is that your so-caslled comment has no factual foundation. You simply repeat what you have read about MOW being held back so that other horses did not look bad. Then, you simply advance him w/o any performance to back it up and proclaim him the fastest. Talk about logic, or lack thereof. Sec set the standard by actual performance. Yours is mere guesswork. Further, you obviously have no idea of how BH Mag decided that MOW was #1.
bbmtge 1 year ago
It is truly an exercise in futility to say which horse was faster. Man O' War was more consistent, but that doesn't tell us he was intrinsically more talented. You simply can't replicate the track conditions that existed in the different generations. Furthermore, there was technological advances that need to be taken into consideration. And you have to factor in other nuances like weight carried and the relative strength of their competition. They both belong in the top ten IMHO
Bigshotism 1 year ago
@Bigshotism The horses in the decades after MOW had to deal with a far higher level of competition as the number of horses bred into racing skyrocketed. As a result, a G1 truly became a G1. I'm not at all knocking MOW, but often the weight he was assigned was due to the fact that, by modern standards, he was running against allowance or lower rated horses. People often make a big deal of MOW winning a race by 100 lengths. What that race really showed is that the horse he ran against was (con)
bbmtge 1 year ago
@Bigshotism not even an allowance horse and I think strange that Riddle accepted the race. I don't think it regarded as a true race. With competition, Sec faced much higher levels of competition; not just the quality of the horse, but horses like Sham/Prove Out, who were not great horses but ran some great races. Finally if Sec had had a more even-tempered trainer, he would not have been entered in the Whitney or the Woodward. Riddle protected MOW better than Sec was protected by his owner.
bbmtge 1 year ago
@bbmtge HOW can you say riddle protected man o war ? man o war was not proected not running with 130lbs on his back, and the race against sir barton showed that. only twice in the history of the turf hae we seen a man challenge a triple crown winner to a match race, that showes that the man had confidence in his horse. and when you have confidence there is no need to protect. just ask jess jacson
prowlifik 1 year ago
@prowlifik Dude, you need to do more research. MOW carried 120 and Sir Barton carried 126 in their match race. SB was on sore hooves and never really stood a chance. This odd obsession with weight carrying (MOW) does not take into account that as a 2YO he ran against barn ponies at 5, 5.5 and 6 furlongs. As a 3YO 6 of his 11 races were against one other horse who would not rate as an allowance horse in the 1970's. I believe as a 3 YO he was over scale 4 times at 129, 139, 135 and 138.
bbmtge 1 year ago
@prowlifik The MOW fans would have one believe that he ran against Sham or Rive Ridge every time in a field of 20 while carrying 150 pounds. Detail, my friend...
bbmtge 1 year ago
@bbmtge so i see that your going to be that guy, that guy that tries to trash MOW by saying he ran against barn ponies, if thats the case SB won the TC with bad hoofs he ran aginst bar ponies to ? or what about ecclips,domino, native dancer the darley arabian, they ran against nobodys to ? man all they can do is run against whats on the track, they cant travel through time to take on the best horses from each era.it makes you look silly when you and others like you try to demean what others did.
prowlifik 1 year ago 2
@prowlifik You just lost the debate. If you cant answer but to use words like "trash" then fold your hand and walk home. Also, you need to get your reading straight. #1- if you run BSF per Grade category, you will see that horses across each category produce expected BSF's. So, if we take MOW in the Dwyer against John Grier; MOW at 126 and John Grier at 108. MOW wins by 1 1/2 lengths at 1:49 and 1/5. This puts John Grier around 1:49 and 3/5th's. He could not make it in a G3 event con...
bbmtge 1 year ago
@prowlifik That is not trashing a horse, that is rating a horse based on his performance. You cant have it both ways. You cant simply make MOW out to be a myth that carried astronomical weights without analyzing the situation in detail. Further, if he HAD run against top rated horses, the MOW fans would be using that as part of their argument. The fact is, nobody wants to talk about the quality of the competition. Sec ran against horses who carried credentials never seen before con
bbmtge 1 year ago
@prowlifik ...and in most cases, the horses were older horses. Did I say SB won the TC on sore hooves? NO!!! But, did he run against MOW with the problem. Absolutely, so it has to be taken into consideration. I cant help it if when facts are pointed out, you take them personally and claim that MOW is being demeaned. That is your problem, not mine. Learn to deal with facts and the many sides of analysis.
bbmtge 1 year ago
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bloodsuckerjohn 10 months ago
@jdjuliann frankel
bloodsuckerjohn 10 months ago
the only thoroughbred ever to finish ahead of Man O' War, was a horse named Upset....in the 1919 Sanford stakes, at Saratoga. Only reason Man O' War didn't win this race as well, was dirty tactics by the rest of the riders, in boxing Man O' War in, much of the early race, and preventing him from getting clear racing track
jdjuliann 2 years ago
there were two important events, in American society in 1920, the only event more important that Man O' War's races, was the Presidential election!
jdjuliann 2 years ago
My horse has Man O' War bloodlines.
Rodeogal2848 2 years ago
It's like comparing Barry Bonds to Babe Ruth. The Babe hit the home runs on beer and hotdogs. Bonds on steriods Secretariat was just like Bonds!
23johnsonr 2 years ago
@23johnsonr What a stupid comment.
JaxRun 2 years ago
@JaxRun I do not have facts but I am not naive either. I believe Sec was on something.
23johnsonr 2 years ago
Man O' War was simply gorgeous.
Parts :50 thru :56 just take my breath away.
hollowedbea 2 years ago
MOW perfect bone structure!!! Race horses these days are not made like that anymore.....too dainty and fragile =(
HenesseyMical1986 2 years ago
The only problem I have with Mano o war and his record is that on several occasions, he only faced one horse inferior fields like in the Stuyvesant Handicap and Dwyer stakes. That never would have happened in from the 1960s and on. Here is my last negative on Man o war and it was not his doing.
Foals in both these horses respective years of birth. You do the math in regards to competitors:
1917 -- 1,680
1970 -- 24,954
funshipM174 2 years ago
As much as a Secretariat fan as I am, I am also a racing fan.We will never know who would hace won with both horses bringing their "A" game to the racetrack. Who is to say that Man o war couldn't have run the same Belmont Secretariat did or run every quarter mile in the Kentucky derby ftser than the previous one as Secretariat did in 1973.Two great horses making for a great baroom conversation.
funshipM174 2 years ago
They say that man o war had a 25-28 stride length! Thats amazing!
Twilight34148 2 years ago
How Get To Ride Man'o war in horse racing fantasy?
tikkosoph 2 years ago
man o war wouldhave 12 records if not eased up
owenswift 2 years ago
Man O' War was one heck of a horse,
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horsesLcool 3 years ago
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BlacknWhite232 3 years ago
That debate will never be settled.They both lost to inferior horses in Onion and Upset.
funshipM174 2 years ago
That may be so, but Secretariat lost to Onion from a fair starting position (starting gate) whereas Man O' War lost by a half-length to Upset from a facing-backwards position. In addition, that circumstance comprised Man O' War's one and only loss, whereas Secretariat had a total of 5 losses (one 4th place finish, one 3rd, & three 2nds). Secretariat is an amazing horse, (of course), but this probably explains why he was ranked the 2nd greatest racehorse of the 20th century, behind Man O' War.
MultiDancing1 2 years ago
You really want to go by rankings made by prognosticators? Do you know how the prognosticators usually do thaat predict N.F.L., N.B.A.,, M.L.B. "so-called" paper champions every year?
Not to well.
In this case they were both great horses, but, Secretariat left his legacy in record books with records that still stand to this day.
funshipM174 2 years ago
Secretariat lost 5 times! He never carried over 129 lbs, and he was very erratic because of the anabolic steroids. Look at Big Brown---brilliant and explosive until he ran the Belmont steroid-free--then he was a dud. For decades, steroids have been a huge part of racing. Secretariat had questionable semen when he retired. Honest Pleasure was sterile. Winning Colors and Geniune Risk took years to foal because of the steroid use. All the broken bones is from bone loss due to steroids. Sad.
Rescuebroke 2 years ago
Conjecture on your part regarding the steroids .Like I said, Man O war, albeit great had only limited competition due to the foal count:
1917 -- 1,680
1970 -- 24,954
Man O war may have been luke warm second choice in the Kentucky Derby if he ran in it against Secretariat, by the way a record time that still stands 36 years later even with all these so called horses using steroids.
funshipM174 2 years ago
Not conjecture. In a breed journal mid-70's, there was an article about steroid use in halter horses, and it openly discussed the steroids given to Secretariat. Friends working for TB farms told of steroid use on all the racehorses. Steroids cause enlarged hearts, fertility issues, and broken bones due to bone loss. Last year's Derby brought it out in the open, when Eight Belles broke both front legs. Last year's Breeder's Cup was the first run without steroids, which was openly discussed.
Rescuebroke 2 years ago
Let me ask you this. Do you believe Secretariats 22lb heart was the reslut of the steroids, or do you believe it was somewhat larger anyway?
Thanks
funshipM174 2 years ago
His heart might have been a fraction larger naturally, but enlarged hearts are not a good thing. There are a number of famous racehorses of the last 40 years who had abnormally large hearts, including Spectacular Bid and Forego. In humans or dogs (or any other animal), abnormally large hearts are rightfully considered a sign of heart disease. I feel sad for Secretariat and all the TBs whose bodies are wrecked by steroids. No doubt it shortened Secretariat's life. What a waste.
Rescuebroke 2 years ago
@Rescuebroke
There was no steroids involved. that anyone is aware of. Sounds like more of a way for you to discredit his greatness and is a Libelous Statements on your part.Anyone who was anyone knew there were no steroids involved. I suggest you contact Bill Nack on that issue.
funshipM174 5 months ago
How did this shorten his life? If I'm correct, he was put down at age 19 because of lamanitis?
What is the connection?
funshipM174 2 years ago
Never realized how long of a back he had.
seabisquit45 3 years ago
I always smile when any comments on youtube compare any horse to Man O' War or Secretariat. Physically NO HORSES in racing history compared to the power of these two. They are in a completely different league! Just based on muscle and structure, these 2 were total perfection for racing standards. No other horses come close to this...
cmf4321 3 years ago 17
@cmf4321 , I agree! They are amazing! But have you ever heard of Seabiscuit? He was pretty close!
DreamSummit1 1 year ago
@cmf4321 I smile when people compare ANY horse to Man O War, because if he hadn't been held back in all of his races, His records would still be in place today. No horse compares to Man O War, not even Secretariat.
CHEVYedsf 8 months ago
@cmf4321 And I always smile when people are gullible enough to believe an egotistical owner would tell his jockey to "hold back" a horse during a race because he didn't want to hurt other owner's feelings or to make the races more equal...& MOW supposedly won a race by 100 lengths. This is the same owner who didn't race his horse in the K. Derby and came up with an excuse. His fear was that MOW may not live up to expectations & win the Triple Crown. The sad thing is MOW would have won easily.
cmf4321 8 months ago
look how the jockey of sir barton was all out and asking sir barton for speed.
and man o war still didnt let him in front. thats a triple crown winner he was pulling away from. thats crazy.
prowlifik 3 years ago
he was a machine!
Mystygirl 3 years ago
I love the real Big Red!
Barbaro2012 3 years ago
He makes it look so easy....
texjoyrn1 4 years ago
awesome!
Barbaro123456 4 years ago
Awesome :) 5 stars ;)
ManOWar1994 4 years ago
Very good,some nice footage and pics. I love Man O' War. 5 *'s
horseyaddicted 4 years ago