your right, i am not a drummer. I do play a bit of guitar tho. and i'm not saying there bad live. I'm just saying that when I saw them it sounded terrible.. but than again I seen them in a dump in NYC with horrible acoustics.
hear me. 10 years for now this band will be regarded as one of the most influential bands in the expirmental section of music history. just pushing the edge beautifully.
Heh, I've seen Hella, and more often than not they need to carry the drummer off stage once their set is finished. Maybe it was because I saw them in Colorado, but still...
Im gonna go out on a educated limb and say this stuff isn't very demanding for them to play. Once you get in the groove of your own abilities stuff like this just comes out. It's not as technical as it seems. Great yes, but technical, not really. I would like to see this guy just play a straight 4/5 jazz lick or something.
You look like the real asshole here. keagankeagankeagan only said that the band has a natural ability to play. He wasn't being a dick like you. You Hella fans are hella sensitive.
I think I know what keagan means. I can play oddly timed riffs like Meshuggah stuff, although I don't actually know the theory or the timing. I just learn the rhythm.
i honestly dont know...some one in this jazz program at my school showed me his sheet music that was in 4/3 and played it for me and i was like "dang thats cool"
No, we were just debating the existance of irrational meter (or I should say I was informing the others of its existance). But I would think that even if the members of hella can't read music per say, they would still know how to tell time signatures by counting. Maybe not when they started, but you've gotta think that two people who are that fascinated with making music in odd times would have looked into it by now.
because you are self taught* does not mean you cant learn or know about time signatures...to write this music you need to be well read in time signatures...plus i bet they can spell better...
i wasnt just talking about technical skills, i was refering to his creativity as a guitarist and the way in which he creates a tapestry in which zach can weave his own patterns. both are musical geniuses, extreme technical skills not withstanding
yeah I Mean... I love how dynamics aren't really a concern with this and it's more of a stream of (for the drumming, and yeah the guitar too I suppose but I'm referring to the drumming) all the individual hits are perceived as a separate, unified object-
this was a large part of microsound/granular synthesis, grain clouds. and largely noticable in jazz melodic and rhythmic phrasings (where dynamics become much more important)
thats a little silly, the this song hardly shows off his guitar skills, he is an amazing guitarist, and plays parts that involve unbelievably fast picking and tapping that most guitarists would shit their pants to, and also zach hill is unbelievable at playing drums, but most of his stuff isnt that hard play, its just really fast and involves really good bass drum chops, lots of drummers could play his parts if they knew who he was...
I've seen this guitarist do better.I have mixed feelings about it.The drummer sets the standard so high.The music is chaotic and briliant but i find myself wishing there was a bit more syncopation between the two.The drummer is doing stuff that most drummers in the world couldn't fathom and the guitarist is only creating a soundscape.There is no direction to the music. As creative as the guitarist may be, this video makes me wanna see the drummer matched w/ a guitarist w/ the same precision fire
A lot of the music they make is great. I can understand what you're saying yet you gotta say that for the most part Hella is a great band. And if what you're saying is true, you should check out what Hella has become. New Guitar player, Bass player, and singer along with Zach Hill. I think it's better but I'll always be going back to Hella in their golden years.
i have 2 things to say, 1 you need to listen to more hella and then anylize spencer's guitar skills, and if you want someone to match zach hills playing look up "shred earthship"
I have to say you're wrong. Listen to Hold Your Horse Is. A lot of his guitar playing involves playing rhythm and melody, often with completely different structures, at the same time.
The same thing for people who're saying this isn't very complex music, despite the fact that they throw nearly everything about pop structure out the window.
Learn to play the end of Biblical Violence and tell me it isn't brilliant.
zach hill is fucking amazing. and i like the music too.but thats the thing about music, its subjective. but still, zach hill is my favorite drummer. and then probably thomas pridgen.
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Nick Pierce (the faceless) puts this guy to shame....And I don't even really like death metal. But these two guys sound like a couple of retards on speed wiggling their fingers in the same room together.
they're great songwriters, considering they live off of touring and selling their music internationally in a time when 50% of people probably download shit... yeah, a lot of people say they're great.
@hhrriisstt well, the drummer does live off his music. but he's having to do a ridiculous amount of project to make it day to day. as far as spencer the guitarist, i dont really know if he makes that much off his music. i would suspect he has a day job.
i dunno i am always debating with myself weather lightning bolt beats these guys or not i am a huge fan of both but have never seen hella live, lightning bolt live though is like a religion
Yeah, Zach rules. Far from the best though. He kind of just bangs around his kit. Don't get me wrong, I love unconventional music and I prefer this over some souless robot.
Thank you SO much. I was in that room and that show was something of a religious experience for me. I wish they still played as a duo. City Folk was always the climax of their set and the marker by which the performance was judged! Maybe Zach Hill's tendons got too tired to keep playing it.
I was there too. One cool thing about this show is that we forced Hella to play an encore. And there was a band after them: The Aislers Set. You notice how small the room is? We simply kept Hella there because they had to move through the crowd to get their equipment through the front. So they turned down our initial request for an encore in humble courtesy to the Aislers but we simply wouldn't budge and got them to play another song. One of the most awesome concert experiences I ever had.
my mace felted
zachisinaband 3 months ago
YEAHH SPENCER AND ZACH! FUCKYEAH!
InLocoParentis96 7 months ago
whoa. i remember making the flier for this show back in 03. crazy to think that it's been 8 years.
djdogdaze 9 months ago
all people that say that:
a) "this music is [easy/natural] to play"
b) "Zach Hill couldn't play "straight 5/4 jazz"
are fucking cunts
honkyechidna 1 year ago 2
fuk zach hill is awesome.
bj373 1 year ago
what song is he performing ?
TheLangleypark 1 year ago
@TheLangleypark THEY are performing "City Folk Sitting, Sitting"; from the "Hold Your Horse Is" LP (released 2002)
oscarloo 1 year ago
how can anyone NOT love the bit at 8:25 and how he gets back to the song all over again?
irossid 1 year ago
is this...city folk sitting, sitting? idk i cant really tell its in some different tuning
rajtherat 1 year ago
@rajtherat indeed... this is sitty folk citting, citting... with an extra long drum solo for epic win
maskedpillager 1 year ago
f**k ! it's so f**in' polyrhitmic !!! great band !
akaNimiR 1 year ago
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alicecoeurcoeur 2 years ago
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there albums are pretty good but i seen them live and my god was it terrible i think i'll just stick to there studio releases from now on
Fiefypants 2 years ago
I think they sound great live, although most of the recordings here have somewhat crappy quality, although some are good.
Thelaofkazi 2 years ago
maybe you stood too far away... and the sound guy had his dick in his hand.
These guys effing rock period.
carizilla 2 years ago
you must not be a drummer, and probably not a guitarist... i have to pick my jaw off the floor every time I see them.
ericbar1984 2 years ago
your right, i am not a drummer. I do play a bit of guitar tho. and i'm not saying there bad live. I'm just saying that when I saw them it sounded terrible.. but than again I seen them in a dump in NYC with horrible acoustics.
Fiefypants 2 years ago
MY EYES!!!
EtcEtcAndEtc 2 years ago
hear me. 10 years for now this band will be regarded as one of the most influential bands in the expirmental section of music history. just pushing the edge beautifully.
imslicc 3 years ago
I like the sound of the drummer. Captain Beefheart would sound good with these guys, if he is still alive.
mcashlv 3 years ago
Hella rocks Godzilla bitches!
filmbuff4 3 years ago
How in the hell does he get his snare to sound so rich? I love tight skins, but i can never get mine to sound so good!
bigcitysound 3 years ago
lots of practice and good dynamics. equipment isn't everything -- that snare is pretty cheap and who most likely less than perfectly tuned
maskedpillager 3 years ago
@bigcitysound it depends on the resonant side of the snare too
leoti420 10 months ago
Heh, I've seen Hella, and more often than not they need to carry the drummer off stage once their set is finished. Maybe it was because I saw them in Colorado, but still...
tumest 3 years ago
Im gonna go out on a educated limb and say this stuff isn't very demanding for them to play. Once you get in the groove of your own abilities stuff like this just comes out. It's not as technical as it seems. Great yes, but technical, not really. I would like to see this guy just play a straight 4/5 jazz lick or something.
keagankeagankeagan 3 years ago
The guitarist SAm, has only been playing guitar for about three years when this video was taken.
Zach Hill is a phenomenal drummer and this isnt fucking improvised.
You couldn't do this.
and try 5 and half/6 timing asshole.
schwipschwap 3 years ago
You look like the real asshole here. keagankeagankeagan only said that the band has a natural ability to play. He wasn't being a dick like you. You Hella fans are hella sensitive.
TGOC3 3 years ago 8
I think I know what keagan means. I can play oddly timed riffs like Meshuggah stuff, although I don't actually know the theory or the timing. I just learn the rhythm.
luc214 3 years ago
Actually *spencer the guitarist, has been playing MUCH longer than three years. Look up Legs on Earth.
oscard 3 years ago
NO SHIT! 3 years my foot.
EtcEtcAndEtc 2 years ago
4/5? wtf is a 5th note....
sure you dont mean 5/4?
Danny6464 3 years ago
you could ive seen jazz compositions written in 4/3. that was some pretty cool shit.
applefrltter 3 years ago
Uhhhhhh.... wtf is a 3rd note?
JefeElMilagro 3 years ago
i honestly dont know...some one in this jazz program at my school showed me his sheet music that was in 4/3 and played it for me and i was like "dang thats cool"
applefrltter 3 years ago
a third note is basically a quarter note tripplet.
sbvasshat 3 years ago
a 5th note has 1/5 the value of a whole note. Its length is in between that of a quarter note and that of a 6th note.
sbvasshat 3 years ago
no
there are whole notes, halfs, quarters eights 16ths, 32nds, 64ths etc
WillWatson23 3 years ago
I don't even know where to start tearing apart your shallow argument. I will start with one word however, "triplets."
sbvasshat 3 years ago
you honestly have no idea what your talking about...
WillWatson23 3 years ago
exactly, 4/3 is impossible that guy is thinking about 3/4
Renahawk5 3 years ago
Google "irrational meter"
sbvasshat 3 years ago
if youre talking about what the time signature is of the song, hella would have no idea because their self tought musicians, hey dont read music.
boogster123321 3 years ago
No, we were just debating the existance of irrational meter (or I should say I was informing the others of its existance). But I would think that even if the members of hella can't read music per say, they would still know how to tell time signatures by counting. Maybe not when they started, but you've gotta think that two people who are that fascinated with making music in odd times would have looked into it by now.
sbvasshat 3 years ago
okay, i just think that one of the guys said "hey check this riff i made" without knowing what it is and they started writing like that.
boogster123321 3 years ago
because you are self taught* does not mean you cant learn or know about time signatures...to write this music you need to be well read in time signatures...plus i bet they can spell better...
iatethebaby67 2 years ago
skills skills skills bla bla.. its about if the music right?!
mission100uk 3 years ago
i wasnt just talking about technical skills, i was refering to his creativity as a guitarist and the way in which he creates a tapestry in which zach can weave his own patterns. both are musical geniuses, extreme technical skills not withstanding
Zaphkielonoma 3 years ago
yeah I Mean... I love how dynamics aren't really a concern with this and it's more of a stream of (for the drumming, and yeah the guitar too I suppose but I'm referring to the drumming) all the individual hits are perceived as a separate, unified object-
this was a large part of microsound/granular synthesis, grain clouds. and largely noticable in jazz melodic and rhythmic phrasings (where dynamics become much more important)
midinerd 3 years ago
i doubt many drummers could play these songs, even if they could, did they write the parts, could they come up with those drum parts themselves?
probably not, there is more to music than just being able to play someone else's stuff that they made up.
marblemadness 4 years ago
arguing abstract ideas is pointless
see: every zach hill video's comments
maskedpillager 4 years ago
what's going ON here fellas!
COME ON, where's the shine? lol
pipi333 4 years ago
thats a little silly, the this song hardly shows off his guitar skills, he is an amazing guitarist, and plays parts that involve unbelievably fast picking and tapping that most guitarists would shit their pants to, and also zach hill is unbelievable at playing drums, but most of his stuff isnt that hard play, its just really fast and involves really good bass drum chops, lots of drummers could play his parts if they knew who he was...
deluca1 4 years ago
LOL!
Zaphkielonoma 4 years ago
so you made this comment to tell people its not hard to play? who said it was about it being hard? maybe its just cool
drummrguy 4 years ago
I've seen this guitarist do better.I have mixed feelings about it.The drummer sets the standard so high.The music is chaotic and briliant but i find myself wishing there was a bit more syncopation between the two.The drummer is doing stuff that most drummers in the world couldn't fathom and the guitarist is only creating a soundscape.There is no direction to the music. As creative as the guitarist may be, this video makes me wanna see the drummer matched w/ a guitarist w/ the same precision fire
BlankStare87 4 years ago
A lot of the music they make is great. I can understand what you're saying yet you gotta say that for the most part Hella is a great band. And if what you're saying is true, you should check out what Hella has become. New Guitar player, Bass player, and singer along with Zach Hill. I think it's better but I'll always be going back to Hella in their golden years.
DrumLover001 4 years ago
Their next CD is going back to a two-piece
hhrriisstt 2 years ago 6
i have 2 things to say, 1 you need to listen to more hella and then anylize spencer's guitar skills, and if you want someone to match zach hills playing look up "shred earthship"
Zaphkielonoma 3 years ago
I have to say you're wrong. Listen to Hold Your Horse Is. A lot of his guitar playing involves playing rhythm and melody, often with completely different structures, at the same time.
The same thing for people who're saying this isn't very complex music, despite the fact that they throw nearly everything about pop structure out the window.
Learn to play the end of Biblical Violence and tell me it isn't brilliant.
hhrriisstt 2 years ago
i love how this sounds!!
Philihp 4 years ago
I love this shit...i play guitar, but it just really bugs me when guitarists don't cut their string ends
CollapseOfReason 4 years ago
This just blew my fucking mind.
FukaName0000 4 years ago 3
They are great songwriters
joshshandsandfeet 4 years ago 2
amazing version of this song, thank you so much for uploading this!
kidart89 4 years ago
its the new jazz bitches...
tunetastic27 4 years ago
Nick Pierce uses two bass pedals. zach Hill uses one allowing him to have more access to his high hat. unique and creative.
mcsmelter 4 years ago
zach hill is fucking amazing. and i like the music too.but thats the thing about music, its subjective. but still, zach hill is my favorite drummer. and then probably thomas pridgen.
inoculatetheinnocous 4 years ago
I agree with you, this guy is incredible. But what about Danny Carey?
truskon 4 years ago
Apples and Oranges comparison. But I like them both.
EarlMcCrackin 4 years ago
what is this song called?
RenegadeDoctor 4 years ago
city folk sitting, sitting
popppaortiz 4 years ago
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Nick Pierce (the faceless) puts this guy to shame....And I don't even really like death metal. But these two guys sound like a couple of retards on speed wiggling their fingers in the same room together.
smellslikeian 4 years ago
nick pierce is an amazing drummer but id like to see him play 'been a long time cousin' or 'republic of rough and ready
Zaphkielonoma 4 years ago
maybe you can't dissect the music as it flies by your ears
afkhajiit 4 years ago
Sure they're technically gifted, but I bet no one will ever say that they're great songwriters.
smellslikeian 4 years ago
That depends on what you consider a good song. I think that a lot of their songs are well put together, given the context of their music.
szichedelic 4 years ago
they're great songwriters, considering they live off of touring and selling their music internationally in a time when 50% of people probably download shit... yeah, a lot of people say they're great.
hhrriisstt 2 years ago
It's when theres bands like this when I hate ilegal free music downloading :(
HolySmokesTheSquire 2 years ago 3
@hhrriisstt well, the drummer does live off his music. but he's having to do a ridiculous amount of project to make it day to day. as far as spencer the guitarist, i dont really know if he makes that much off his music. i would suspect he has a day job.
maskedpillager 1 year ago
best drummer ever? YES!
mildew2yahoo 4 years ago
im so happy ive seen these guys live twice
i wish i couldve seen just the two of them though
but they had the full band when church gone wild went out
bloodletinthe 4 years ago
zach hill gets all the attention...
Danny6464 4 years ago
speed doesnt necessarily mean good but at the same time some of the "greats" couldnt play like this
letterandnumber 4 years ago
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wow that was garbage
grahammcgee 4 years ago
you try playing in 11/14 at 250bpm melodically, its just a crappy recording
nigtv 4 years ago
"Bangs around his kit". I don't understand that, in any way. He does more than any drummer ever has.
jebrinklog 4 years ago
i dunno i am always debating with myself weather lightning bolt beats these guys or not i am a huge fan of both but have never seen hella live, lightning bolt live though is like a religion
iamawildcat 4 years ago
dude has the best right foot I've ever seen
biffbiffton 4 years ago
Yeah, Zach rules. Far from the best though. He kind of just bangs around his kit. Don't get me wrong, I love unconventional music and I prefer this over some souless robot.
chloroxjello 4 years ago
Zach Hill is certainly the best musician in history, without question.
jebrinklog 4 years ago 2
kurva nášlap...
Cikal258 4 years ago
every time i get hihg i listen to hella specialy when im shrooming omfg dude its amazing this drummer just wont stop hes a fuckin machine
feeldanny13 4 years ago
wow....the whole thing is insane but 2:20 on is just ridiculous. i think this is one of the best drummers all time
chevpowr 4 years ago
i dont like their music, but the drummer is prolly the best ive ever seen.
NoDeth 4 years ago
Aye too right.
shotgunjoe 4 years ago
Thank you SO much. I was in that room and that show was something of a religious experience for me. I wish they still played as a duo. City Folk was always the climax of their set and the marker by which the performance was judged! Maybe Zach Hill's tendons got too tired to keep playing it.
sixheadedgoblin 5 years ago
I was there too. One cool thing about this show is that we forced Hella to play an encore. And there was a band after them: The Aislers Set. You notice how small the room is? We simply kept Hella there because they had to move through the crowd to get their equipment through the front. So they turned down our initial request for an encore in humble courtesy to the Aislers but we simply wouldn't budge and got them to play another song. One of the most awesome concert experiences I ever had.
Desaseto 4 years ago
I jsut finished
puntmypee 5 years ago
effing amazing man :D
oranjeguice 5 years ago