God impregnated a surrogate mother to birth himself in order to sacrifice himself to himself to please himself so that he would not eternally torture his beloved children for doing things he could have prevented us from doing by designing us better.
@Paletero336 A Monster! lol... we are about as barbaric a civilization as we were when we started recording history, Aside from some neat little inventions & technological advances, & your puny little mind in all it's ignorance can actually call the GOD of all living things & the universe we know """"A MONSTER""""! LMAOROTFG.... YOU ARE A F`ING DUMBASS! "PERIOD"! I'd guess your probably no older than 40 yrs old & what do you think your pathetic little mind knows about creation? NOTHING!
These people think their so smart it makes me sick to my stomach ! Don't even argue with these losers- "Darkness cannot comprehend the light"! PERIOD! why don't you ignoramuses get someone who actually knows what their talking about instead of ganging him 2 to 1- LMAO.
also what dose that have to do with how they exposed the fucked up nature of that god...you are more arrogant to believe in your claims based on faith be it islam or christianity, to believe something not based on evidence and think your claims or above all other claims.
also it's funny how idiots like you can't do anything as an individual so you have to borrow credit from people who happen to have the same skin color.
Use your God given intuition: who shows a higher consciousness level? who kills or who respects life?, who steal or who share? who enslave or who frees? who envy or who love? who is selfish or who is selfless? who is materialistic or who is spiritual?. We are due to move to the next consciousness level by rejecting all materialism and selfishness. Those were Jesus teachings, which atheism reject. God will act, and anyone that refuse to move may be expendable. Open your eyes before is too late.
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
Another interesting point in the Adam & Eve story is that, according to the Bible, before they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, they had no knowledge of good and evil, meaning they could not distinguish between good & evil. So, how could they be held responsible for breaking God's command when they didn't even know that was a bad thing.
@Phnatec123 because you will likely pass your faith down to your children, forcing them to believe the same lies that you do. i'd rather live in a society where people care about the truth values of their beliefs, and that means questioning everything. I just do my best to show people of faith that their precious book is questionable and their faith is something that needs to be examined. what you do with that is up to you.
@Phnatec123 and why do you think faith is a good thing? to me faith is believing in something without reason or in spite of evidence. why should that be exercised?
@Phnatec123 yeah i know what the bible says. now why do you even believe any of that rubbish?
i've already tried to show you that it is not a source of morality. It contains good things along with many terrible things. So saying you trust it because of its morality is obviously a bad reason. Why do you believe it? i will assume its because people tell you to believe it, but feel free to prove me wrong by providing some good reasons for why you think it is based on truth.
@OwnageX2 I believed because I chose to believe. You can't feed me doubt. I'll just spit it out. My faith is too strong for that. God has worked on my heart and my life and has really blessed me and I'm forever gratefully His son.
@Phnatec123 you believe because you want to. because it seems nice. you have no good reason. i can give you doubt but you won't accept it. that is a terrible position to be in. It is utmost ignorance and arrogance that would lead you to disregard reality and evidence in favor of something that seems nice and refuse to even consider a change in that belief. It's pathetic.
@OwnageX2 Your fighting against the world, man. The true enemy is the corruption within religion, economics, politics, education, government, entertainment industies, etc. We are on the same side. Our enemy is the same. I just know him a little better. Your against the hate, the oppessive brainwashing, and the LIES. We are dealing with wolves in sheeps clothing. Once you open up spiritually, you will understand.
@BlessdnHighlyFavrd hahahha i'm not even going to preface this with no offense but your arguments are sheer stupidity. you want to know why i fight against it if i believe it is false? Because the instiutions of religion persecute people and harbor hatred arbitrarily, and encourage people to stop questioning and to accept things without reason. It is a mockery to the scientific method and to logic. It is a deplorable faith that brings about immorality.
@OwnageX2 13 men were tortured and killed for swearing Jesus was the son of God.....not ONE recanted their story in the face of a gruesome death. They maintained their testimony that they had seen what they said they had seen even though they were spit on, beat, and their life was about to be over. And to save it all they had to do was admit they lied. Yet NOT ONE did it. Interesting.
@BlessdnHighlyFavrd The only reason that religion remains today is because of fear. people fear what they do not know and will clutch to something that gives them wrong answers because it is better than no answers to them. They are afraid of death and willing to accept some made up story that they will live on because it sounds nice.
@OwnageX2 You will find that everything you're against is in fact the same thing the Living Word of God, Jesus Christ is against. In Christ we are free, not captive. In Christ we are loving, not hateful or forceful. In Christ we walk in the Spirit of truth, not in the spirit of folly and ignorance.
@Phnatec123 yeah thats a bunch of crap bro. I am against organized religion because of how corrupt it is. i am against the bible because it leads to organized religion and corruption, and it lacks evidence for its truth anyways. Even the bible itself is no moral highgroud to stand under. in christ you are a slave to his will, in crhist you are hateful against any other religion, in crhist you walk in the spirit of ignorance in believing in a book with no evidence.
@OwnageX2 Such as the order of creation, revealed in Genesis to be confirmed by modern science. Dinosaurs clearly described 5000-7000 years prior to the first one being discovered and identified, the shape of the world.....I could go on :) But seriously....If it's so wrong why do you fight against it so vehemently? Something that holds no truth will dissipate correct? I mean Jesus was a mere man after all.....poor...a commoner yet has captivated the world for 2000 years...interesting
@OwnageX2 The sacrifice is necessary to remove the barrier that sin creates in our relationship with God. Christ provided that perfect sacrifice that could cover the sins of all men giving all men the equal opportunity to come before the Father of all creation and be considered a Son and not a slave. It would be wise to objectively study the Word of God and to meditate on it. You will find the wisdom contained therein being to great to be anything less than divinely revealed.
@OwnageX2 Chris was crucified because there was a sacrifice necessary for the atonement of sin. God did not want to just change the rules and the ultimate rules never did. They were only simplified. He was trying to convince the world of what He tried to tell them all along; that they were precious to Him and He wants a relationship with them. They are precious enough to watch His only Son die for us. If I am wrong then their is no need to pity me. If you however are wrong I do pity you
@Phnatec123 so you are telling me this god created his son only to then have his son killed... in order to appease himself because he could not forgive the us without punishment. why exactly do you believe this? how does this make sense to you? if your god is so great, whats the need of this blood sacrifice. why not just forgive humans without punishment? to quote this show, 'your god is a dick'
@Phnatec123 and i meant religious people being persecuted by nonreligious people. of course other religions do it to you all the time, thats kind of why we think religion is awful and should be abolished. it sets out to divide people and have them harbor hate towards them for things that happened in the past. its an immoral institution.
@OwnageX2 Look man, have I really said anything harshly to you? Have I crammed anything down your throat? Yes, there are militant religious groups that persecute, but it is also communistic governments, and now you're advocating an abolishment of ALL religion, so now I MYSELF can't spread the gospel of Jesus here in "America" without being persecuted? In essence, you are pushing for a more communistic government.
@Phnatec123 Do you know the striking similarity between oppressive governments and religion? the people should have a right to abolish them both when they cause harm. I advocate abolishing all religion because it is harmful to all societies. You cannot spread the gospel of jesus without being persecuted much the same way that you cannot spread the gospel of 'a flat world' without being persecuted. idiocy begs for ridicule.
@OwnageX2 Wrong, and excuse me sir, but how do you know what my current condition is? Who are you to judge what is "better off?" Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the --->Evidence<---- of things not seen. Just because YOU choose not to trust in the Lord, does not mean that those who do are believing without reason. We have a very a good reason and it's called the Holy Spirit which comforts us, teaches us, corrects us, and confirms us of our eternal salvation.
@Phnatec123 if your current condition is believing in all of that crap, then yes you would be better off i'm certain of it. who am i to judge? just another human being on this planet capable of reason.
i like the way you describe it. 'faith is the substance of things hoped for'. yeah, it sounds pretty doesnt it. Except when you really look at it, faith is just what you HOPE was true. you have no evidence, no reason, you just want it to be true.
Yes. I can figure out what is moral and immoral based upon how actions affect other people and if those reactions and interactions hurt people and make the world a better or worse place. I don't need to worship some God to do that.
"Integrity huh?"
Yup. I won't worship someone just because they promise to give me a prize if I do and will make sure I get punished if I don't
Someone who acts like that isn't worth worshipping
My heart is a muscle that pumps blood. If you mean that he looks into what my true feelings and emotions are, how can anyone do that? All we can do is see the sum total of our actions.
I would rather have one person helping someone for cynical reasons than 1,000 sincere people praying for some good to happen.
I don't understand this "it's his character" thing. Sin doesn't exist without humans and God has supposedly existed for eternity. He is all-knowing and created us knowing we would eventually sin, so he made up sin and demands a payment for it. That is absolutely illogical to me. God must be out of his mind. If it's "his character" to need a sacrifice for sin, then why create sin to begin with?
@an0nim0uz omg just because ur an athiest does mean you ur fucking IQ hase gone up 80 points, Im gonna even gonna try and explain to what i wrote, im a athiest/sataist which ud no if you looked at my profile for less than a moment.
@Phnatec123 "It's not a mere book and you of all people should know that" Why me of all people? And evidently unlike you, I've actually read it. "Anyways I'm done talking now" Still waiting for the apology And what was the "NOTHING" inreference to? was it a reference to me working on Sunday, guess what? I broke one of the 10 Commandments That's what that poor guy Moses killed did when he was gathering sticks And since we both agree I have violated what jesus said, what should happen to me
I also don't know Zeus, Poseidon, Ra, Lord Brahma nor any other mythological figure.
For the sake of discussion I am not questioning the existence of God. His existence is oddly irrelevant in this exchange.
I am saying that if we use the Bible as the guide for what God wants, what God commands and how we should behave, there are elements that I don't agree with and would object to.
Objections should be counter argued with facts, not threats nor insults
"There is a difference between religious law and God's commandment"
But that difference is not illustrated in the Bible. And in Matthew 5:17 - 5:19 Jesus makes it clear that even the smallest law of the Prophets must be obeyed to get entrance into Heaven.
It wasn't until much later when the Romans were adapting Christianity that the adherence to Jewish law was downplayed. It made it easier to win converts.
@boyinthedrain The difference is very clear when you read the gospels. Jesus separates right from wrong. We are suppose to be like Jesus and keep His 10 commandments(God's law). Jesus said let the man who is without sin cast the first stone. He also said we ALL sin. Jesus said "follow me." So now tell me, was Jesus morally depraved? We are to follow the commandments of God, not the doctrines of men which violate God's commandments.
I am sure you are going to claim I made THAT up too.
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter in law against her mother in law"
I will grant you, the daughter in law was already against the mother in law
@Phnatec123 "I apologize for nothing I said" You called me a liar when in fact I was quoting the Bible. "that makes you MY enemy" Is that the Christian way? When someone disagrees with you and uses facts to form their arguments you consider them to be your enemy? Wow. You are not MY enemy. You are just someone with whom I have a disagreement with. "self righteouss attitude" By quoting a book? "blashpeming of Holy scripture" by quoting it?
Jesus says he does not come to abolish the laws of the prophets... not the small one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law... Anyone who breaks one of the least of the commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven
And of course in Mark he admonishes those who don't murder their unruly kids
@Phnatec123 "By believing, you have nothing to lose other than maybe your dignity due to bashing atheists. You gain nothing from not believing." how am I bashing Atheists if I'm one myself? and Yes, I don't gain anything from not believing, neither do I loose anything. just as much as you don't gain or loose anything by not believing in Allah or any other theistic god
@Phnatec123 I never said you were not educated in other fields, but stating everything that you did in your previous posts thus far leads me to believe that you are NOT well informed in the understandings of what proponents of the scientific method actually stand for and condone
@Phnatec123 "Judaism is the earliest monotheistic religion. The coming messiah of the jewish bible (old testament) is Jesus of the new testament. Tons of the foretold prophecies of the old testament were fulfilled in the new testament such as the fortelling of the virgin birth under the house of david in Isaiah that came to pass in the gospels and in micah" once again, that is using the bible to prove the bible. also, scolars suggest that Jesus was not born in Bethleham but in Nazareth
@bbree333 I never claimed that it was, if you read my post again, you'll see that I was quoting the words from the person that I was conversating with. He made that statement not me, I think Zoroastrianism may have been the very first and then Judaism, but again I might be incorrect :D
thanks for pointing that out though, for anyone else who happens to read your post
@Phnatec123 "All i can say is seek God for yourself and you shall find." unfortunately, me becoming an Atheist was BECAUSE I was looking for God. and when I began looking into the bible and doing serious research on the bible, and original texts.
@Phnatec123 And even if Christianity is correct and the god of the bible is true, then how do you distinguish it between Apostolic, Baptist, Pentecostal, catholic etc.? Christianity has over 30,000 separate denominations, who's right? who's telling the truth? you can't all be right, but you can all be wrong. so if you're saying that you hear from God, and this guy says he hears from God, and you're both saying something different than again, who's REALLY hearing from God?
@Phnatec123 "I said that because you were not listening to me." yes I was, I read everything you said, and I responded accordingly, is it because I don't agree with your beliefs which is why you think I'm a waste of time and space? you don't agree with my stance on your religion and you believe something that sounds absolutely ridiculous, but I don't consider you a waste of time or space at all.
@itiswrittenbaptist And even if you didn't, would you be against anyone else making a TV show to express their non-belief in Aliens? Hoping that in some way or another it would get someone out there to think more about their beliefs....
@itiswrittenbaptist and it's NOT hypocritical to have a whole channel dedicated to furthering your faith based beliefs? (as in "the word channel") now you say you don't believe in Aliens, but what if politicians began writing laws and such to support their beliefs in Aliens? and establishing their beliefs into the way we all lived? would you NOT jump at the opportunity to get on TV and tell others about your non-belief in Aliens and why you don't believe?...
@Phnatec123 "Jesus is not only a model of a perfect righteous and selfless life, but his death is what is the atonement that redeems us from SIN." putting aside the fact that you're trying to use the bible to prove the bible, I'll just go ahead and ask you what is considered sin? what can you define as sin?
@Phnatec123 " God IS in ultimate control, but the way this country is headed, it will be that way. Ofcourse the end is inevitable, but this is why I say these things to you with love so that you might hear me." ah, so if this country was only more christian and if the world was more christian than the world would be a better place eh? lol, here's a bit of knowledge for you, Statistics show that the more Atheistic a country is the less there is of social problems... this is fact, not opinion.
@Phnatec123 "This is why i say free will is a rope of trust." lmao! nothing says trust more than a threat of eternal torture lol. but here's another bit of knowledge for you my friend, if you are being threatened with punishment for chosing something than that is NOT free will, God's (so called) since of free will is nothing different than compulsory.
@Phnatec123 "By the power of God appropriated by our faith, which is given freely, we can overcome sickness and diseases. Faithless people need doctors. You can put your faith in science if you will, but know that it is self-correcting. God needs no correction." so I guess you've never been to the doctor? you've never taken medicine? you've never seen a dentist?... yeah that's what I thought. oh and uh, God doen't need correction? HE SUPPOSEDLY KILLED HIMSELF TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKE!
@javonne The wages of sin are death and although physical death is inevitable, if we are dead in christ, we are also made alive in Him too. This is exactly what the resurrection represents, our resurection. Jesus said beleive on me and ye shall have everlasting life. The death at the cross is the power of God. All you have to do is accept Jesus in your heart and you WILL receive the Holy Spirit. You have a whole new world to discover, my friend and it is given to you freely.
@Phnatec123 btw. I was a baptist christian for 22 years, and it was because of ACTUALLY reading the bible WITHOUT a biased view on it, which is the reason I'm an atheist today, I could no longer justify the horrific atrocities in the bible. so telling me that I simply have to BELIEVE in this garbage is NOT going to convince me that this book is of ANY validity. how ANYONE could sit back and say "Yeah, God sending another human being dying for my sins is awesome, and so loving." No it's not
@Phnatec123 "You are the fool who desires a just God that will sacrifice all of Himself" No, I don't desire nor require that anyone sacrifice themselves for something that I did, and another problem I have with this whole idea of Jesus sacrificing himself for our sins is, what have you or I done which requires that a blood sacrifice even need to be made? What, Adam and Eve eating a piece of fruit that God made and placed in the garden for ""decoration"?
@Phnatec123 God sends his son to be killed in order to forgive you, but then brings him back to life 3 days later? How does that come across as a secrifice; or even a display of ultimate intelligence for that matter? If God truely sent Jesus to be a sacrifice for our sins THEN JESUS WOULD NEVER HAVE RISEN!... No, I cannot subscirbe to the notion of a "loving" creator who punishes those he claims to love for something he already knew they were going to do before he even creates them.
@chica0616 what!? first you say that God cannot be sacrificed because he's a spirit but Jesus was God in the flesh, so God DID sacrifice himself TO himself, in order to forgive the creations which he himself created. not to mention that God KNEW that this would happen and that he would have to sacrifice himself once he supposedly created the Universe. why can't he just forgive? and another thing, if he's a spirit then HOW could he impregnate a vergin? what did he have supernatural sperm?...
Please explain why there had to be a perfect sacrifice for all of human kind? And if you would also care to explain how Matt is being ignorant...If anything, I think being ignorant is blindly accepting what scripture teaches without thinking it out in a logical and rational way
thats a common misconception he gave he son for us.... HE (God) spoke through His son to the world. reason for Him ssay " I WAS" and " I AM" in the Bible.
Satan achieves his misrepresentation of God’s character, by having God’s actions viewed as being identical to man’s. The more he can make God appear to being like men, the better pleased he is. But Christ works in the opposite direction. The more He can show that the ways of God and sinful man are different the more successful He is in saving them from Satan’s deadly lies. His revelations of God were exactly contrary to those offered by the devil.
@otnt66 As a result of Christ’s effective ministry, we can know that God’s ways and man’s are not merely different in many, but in all things.
That these vital truths are not generally understood and accepted is evidenced by the usual interpretation of the verses concerning the fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, wherein God is considered to have behaved as any earthly potentate would under the same circumstances.
@otnt66 Therefore, as surely as it is established that God’s ways are different from man’s, then so certainly must another explanation to these verses be sought. This alternative is not found by casting around in the human mind for other possibilities. The Bible, under the illumination of the Holy Spirit, must be its own interpreter. When it is learned from there how such words are to be understood, the correct concept of God will be gained.
@otnt66 Within the Word of God the same terminology is used consistently when describing God’s actions in the destruction of people and cities. God does not provide a careful explanation of what He means by these words in every case. But there are two or three places where He does and this is sufficient to inform us how every such expression is to be interpreted. Thus the truth is established in the "mouth of two or three witnesses." Matthew 18:16.
@otnt66 Reference will now be made to three such witnesses to clarify from the Word itself how such statements are to be understood when used to describe God’s action. The method used in the Scriptures to make the meaning clear is to express the same truth in two different places in two different ways. In the first case, what God did will be clearly stated. Then the Lord Himself will use His own method of expressing or describing what He did.
@otnt66 By putting these two together it will be clearly seen what God means when He says, "I destroyed them."Remember that it is not important what we think the Lord meant when He uses certain expressions. Our task is to be sure of what the Lord meant when He used those words.
The first reference to be considered is in regard to the death of Saul the first king of Israel.
"And the battle went sore against Saul, and the archers hit him, and he was wounded of the archers".
@otnt66 "Then said Saul to his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. So Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.
"And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise on the sword and died.So Saul died, and his three sons, and all his house died together." I Chronicles 10:3-6.
@otnt66 This is a simple, and therefore easily understood, account of Saul’s death. There is a background to this event which is but the climax of that which went before. After a certain critical point in the king’s life he persistently rejected the appeals of mercy. By this means he took himself further and further outside the circle of God’s protection until it was impossible for the Lord to help him. This was not because the Lord would not, but only because He could not.
@otnt66 Thus, when he went forth to the final baffle, he went without the Lord’s protection and he knew it. It was for this reason Saul sought guidance from the witch at Endor. Without God’s presence, there was nothing to save him from the dreadful power of the Philistines with the result that his destruction was a predetermined thing.
@otnt66 As Saul’s life is considered, it will be seen that he took himself away from God, placing himself where there was no defence from Satan’s power, and thus, in fact, destroyed himself. Nowhere in Saul’s entire history is there anything to give us the idea that God raised His mighty hand and struck him down.
@otnt66 The only actions we see on God’s part were to extend every possible effort to save him and then when he would not be saved but only resisted with greater and greater vigour, the outreach of the Spirit, God had no choice but to withdraw from him. For God to have maintained a connection with Saul against his will, would have been to have forced His presence where it was not desired, and this the Lord cannot and will not do.
@otnt66 Having seen clearly, then, what the Lord did in respect to Saul’s destruction, we are now ready to see how He described what He did.
"So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it;
"And inquired not of the Lord: therefore He slew him. and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse." 1Chronicles 10:13,14.
@otnt66 God exerted all the influence of love and truth to save au, and when he would not be saved, then the Lord went away and left him to what he wanted—his own way. God did not raise His hand to slay Saul. He killed himself just in time to save the Philistines from doing it. The Scriptures. which are the very expression of God’s thought, described that in these words, "Therefore, He (the Lord God of Heaven) slew him."
@otnt66 This is certainly not the way we would use the words. "He slew him "to describe human behaviour. If they were used to describe human behaviour, then we would have known that the slayer would have come to the victim, not moved away from him; that he would have carried the sword in his own hand, not been empty handed; and that he would have brought the sword down upon the head of the guilty person.
@otnt66 So foreign is this form of expression to what we are accustomed to, that it is difficult initially, to think in this new terminology. Yet, In order to truthfully understand God’s thought as expressed in His word, the mind must be re-educated to think this way when reading about God’s ways as distinct from men’s ways. There certainly will be no difficulty in seeing that the way in which God uses words and the way in which we use them, are contrary to each other.
@otnt66 The presentation of one witness is never sufficient to establish the truth of the Bible. A second must be added.As with Saul, so with the entire nation of Israel. Centuries of loving appeals had been spurned, the prophets had been persecuted and, in some cases, martyred. Eventually, the Son of God Himself, came with a personal message from the Father.
@otnt66 But they rejected Him even more emphatically, underscoring the intensity of their feelings by seeking nothing less than the most torturous and humiliating death for Him that they could find.
The time came when Christ recognized that they had passed the point of no return. What did He say and do? He declared that Jerusalem was beyond hope and then, instead of launching fiery balls of destruction upon the city, He quietly left them to their fate.
@otnt66 Again. He did not do this because He wanted to, but because there was nothing else He could do that was consistent with His character of love. Here are His sad words.
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
@otnt66 "For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." Matthew 23:37-39.
For the same reasons and in harmony with the same principles, God left Israel exactly as He had left Saul. Thus was removed from them the only effective defence from their many enemies. For centuries the devil had thirsted for the blood of the entire nation.
@otnt66 Knowing that he could not touch them whilever the protection of God was about them, and knowing that while they were obedient it would always be there, he laboured with terrible success to lead them into disobedience.
So the time came when the Jews had caused God’s protection to be withdrawn from them and there was nothing to shield them from disaster. It came with ferocious savagery upon their unprotected heads. The full truth of this is clearly expressed in the following record.
@otnt66 "The Jews had forged their own fetters; they had filled for themselves, the cup of vengeance. In the utter destruction that befell them as a nation, and in all the woes that followed them in their dispersion were but reaping the harvest which their own hands had sown. Says the prophet, O Israel; thou hast destroyed thyself;’ ‘for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.’
@otnt66 Their sufferings are often represented as a punishment visited upon them by the direct decree of God. It is thus that the great deceiver seeks to conceal his own work. By stubborn rejection of divine love and mercy, the Jews had caused the protection of God to be withdrawn from them, and Satan was permitted to rule them according to his will: The horrible cruelties enacted in the destruction of Jerusalem are a demonstration of Satan’s vindictive power over those who yield to his control.
matt's speech at the end made me feel quite depressed,
jhibbitt1 3 weeks ago
God impregnated a surrogate mother to birth himself in order to sacrifice himself to himself to please himself so that he would not eternally torture his beloved children for doing things he could have prevented us from doing by designing us better.
Lubotsulat 2 months ago
@Lubotsulat Ungrateful bastard.
GeneticallySuperior1 2 months ago
@Lubotsulat You sound like a whinny little bitch!
GeneticallySuperior1 2 months ago
@GeneticallySuperior1 Ha and what do you sound like?asshole,Your name and the rant on your profile says it all,
Lubotsulat 2 months ago
The smugness on his face at the end of this video says it all! His EGO is about ready to explode in his face...
GeneticallySuperior1 3 months ago
@GeneticallySuperior1
more like frustration when people claim a monster like Yaweh to be all loving
Paletero336 2 months ago
@Paletero336 A Monster! lol... we are about as barbaric a civilization as we were when we started recording history, Aside from some neat little inventions & technological advances, & your puny little mind in all it's ignorance can actually call the GOD of all living things & the universe we know """"A MONSTER""""! LMAOROTFG.... YOU ARE A F`ING DUMBASS! "PERIOD"! I'd guess your probably no older than 40 yrs old & what do you think your pathetic little mind knows about creation? NOTHING!
GeneticallySuperior1 2 months ago
@GeneticallySuperior1
yes a monster it's kinda easy to get that impression from the modern myths(the bible or Koran) he was based on , why so angry?and do you know?
Paletero336 2 months ago
These people think their so smart it makes me sick to my stomach ! Don't even argue with these losers- "Darkness cannot comprehend the light"! PERIOD! why don't you ignoramuses get someone who actually knows what their talking about instead of ganging him 2 to 1- LMAO.
GeneticallySuperior1 3 months ago
@GeneticallySuperior1
2 to 1
you mean 2 on 2 after all god is on his side :D
also what dose that have to do with how they exposed the fucked up nature of that god...you are more arrogant to believe in your claims based on faith be it islam or christianity, to believe something not based on evidence and think your claims or above all other claims.
Paletero336 2 months ago
@Paletero336 where do Dumbass motherfuckers like you come from. We have a name for people like yourself! USLESS EATERS!
GeneticallySuperior1 2 months ago
@GeneticallySuperior1
my point is proven
Paletero336 2 months ago
@Paletero336 the only thing you've proven is that your an atheist, OOOHHHH, AND AN IDIOT! lololol
GeneticallySuperior1 2 months ago
@GeneticallySuperior1 really?
*you're
says the white deluded supremacist who cant even use proper grammar for a Germanic language ,
Paletero336 2 months ago
@GeneticallySuperior1
also it's funny how idiots like you can't do anything as an individual so you have to borrow credit from people who happen to have the same skin color.
Paletero336 2 months ago
Maybe hell is really like Las Vegas and god just wanted a three day weekend.....
moopism 4 months ago
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Use your God given intuition: who shows a higher consciousness level? who kills or who respects life?, who steal or who share? who enslave or who frees? who envy or who love? who is selfish or who is selfless? who is materialistic or who is spiritual?. We are due to move to the next consciousness level by rejecting all materialism and selfishness. Those were Jesus teachings, which atheism reject. God will act, and anyone that refuse to move may be expendable. Open your eyes before is too late.
dejesusluisx 5 months ago
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Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 5 months ago
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pythor2 5 months ago
@pythor2 I do believe the apostrophe there is used as a possesive case and not an omission of a letter.
sky0infinite 5 months ago
@sky0infinite You are right.
pythor2 5 months ago
@pythor2 Actually, it should be "God's Immoral Character" you should probably understand English grammar before calling yourself a grammar nazi.
PrivateJoker17 5 months ago
@PrivateJoker17 And you should probably learn to read other replies in context before being the second person to correct me.
pythor2 5 months ago
I can show the morality of ANY book/chapter/verse in the bible with Christian apologetics!
Anyone care to try me? Are you ready to get DESTROYED? =p
Zentz29 6 months ago
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Another interesting point in the Adam & Eve story is that, according to the Bible, before they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, they had no knowledge of good and evil, meaning they could not distinguish between good & evil. So, how could they be held responsible for breaking God's command when they didn't even know that was a bad thing.
Kailoa36 7 months ago
That whole game analogy blew my mind O_O.
glitchuser4 7 months ago
13 dislikes... creationist trolls...
jklilbit 9 months ago 2
That looks like Kim of Matt & Kim
Fledgerson 9 months ago
The Atheist Community of Austin seems somewhat religious to me.
JtheCrowe 9 months ago
@JtheCrowe You obviously don't know religion when you see it then.
Aviii 8 months ago
@OwnageX2 *want
Phnatec123 10 months ago
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Phnatec123 10 months ago
@Phnatec123 because you will likely pass your faith down to your children, forcing them to believe the same lies that you do. i'd rather live in a society where people care about the truth values of their beliefs, and that means questioning everything. I just do my best to show people of faith that their precious book is questionable and their faith is something that needs to be examined. what you do with that is up to you.
OwnageX2 10 months ago
@OwnageX2 Faith should be examined, and then exercised.
Phnatec123 10 months ago
@Phnatec123 and why do you think faith is a good thing? to me faith is believing in something without reason or in spite of evidence. why should that be exercised?
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Phnatec123 10 months ago
@Phnatec123 yeah i know what the bible says. now why do you even believe any of that rubbish?
i've already tried to show you that it is not a source of morality. It contains good things along with many terrible things. So saying you trust it because of its morality is obviously a bad reason. Why do you believe it? i will assume its because people tell you to believe it, but feel free to prove me wrong by providing some good reasons for why you think it is based on truth.
OwnageX2 10 months ago
@OwnageX2 I believed because I chose to believe. You can't feed me doubt. I'll just spit it out. My faith is too strong for that. God has worked on my heart and my life and has really blessed me and I'm forever gratefully His son.
Phnatec123 10 months ago
@Phnatec123 you believe because you want to. because it seems nice. you have no good reason. i can give you doubt but you won't accept it. that is a terrible position to be in. It is utmost ignorance and arrogance that would lead you to disregard reality and evidence in favor of something that seems nice and refuse to even consider a change in that belief. It's pathetic.
OwnageX2 10 months ago
@Phnatec123 "You can't feed me doubt. I'll just spit it out.
TRANSLATION:
'I refuse to think and you can't make me'.
Well, aren't you special.
moopism 4 months ago 2
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@moopism my mom says so
Phnatec123 4 months ago
@OwnageX2 Your fighting against the world, man. The true enemy is the corruption within religion, economics, politics, education, government, entertainment industies, etc. We are on the same side. Our enemy is the same. I just know him a little better. Your against the hate, the oppessive brainwashing, and the LIES. We are dealing with wolves in sheeps clothing. Once you open up spiritually, you will understand.
Phnatec123 11 months ago
@BlessdnHighlyFavrd hahahha i'm not even going to preface this with no offense but your arguments are sheer stupidity. you want to know why i fight against it if i believe it is false? Because the instiutions of religion persecute people and harbor hatred arbitrarily, and encourage people to stop questioning and to accept things without reason. It is a mockery to the scientific method and to logic. It is a deplorable faith that brings about immorality.
OwnageX2 11 months ago
@OwnageX2 13 men were tortured and killed for swearing Jesus was the son of God.....not ONE recanted their story in the face of a gruesome death. They maintained their testimony that they had seen what they said they had seen even though they were spit on, beat, and their life was about to be over. And to save it all they had to do was admit they lied. Yet NOT ONE did it. Interesting.
BlessdnHighlyFavrd 11 months ago
@BlessdnHighlyFavrd The only reason that religion remains today is because of fear. people fear what they do not know and will clutch to something that gives them wrong answers because it is better than no answers to them. They are afraid of death and willing to accept some made up story that they will live on because it sounds nice.
OwnageX2 11 months ago
@OwnageX2 You will find that everything you're against is in fact the same thing the Living Word of God, Jesus Christ is against. In Christ we are free, not captive. In Christ we are loving, not hateful or forceful. In Christ we walk in the Spirit of truth, not in the spirit of folly and ignorance.
Phnatec123 11 months ago
@Phnatec123 yeah thats a bunch of crap bro. I am against organized religion because of how corrupt it is. i am against the bible because it leads to organized religion and corruption, and it lacks evidence for its truth anyways. Even the bible itself is no moral highgroud to stand under. in christ you are a slave to his will, in crhist you are hateful against any other religion, in crhist you walk in the spirit of ignorance in believing in a book with no evidence.
OwnageX2 10 months ago
@OwnageX2 Such as the order of creation, revealed in Genesis to be confirmed by modern science. Dinosaurs clearly described 5000-7000 years prior to the first one being discovered and identified, the shape of the world.....I could go on :) But seriously....If it's so wrong why do you fight against it so vehemently? Something that holds no truth will dissipate correct? I mean Jesus was a mere man after all.....poor...a commoner yet has captivated the world for 2000 years...interesting
BlessdnHighlyFavrd 11 months ago
@OwnageX2 The sacrifice is necessary to remove the barrier that sin creates in our relationship with God. Christ provided that perfect sacrifice that could cover the sins of all men giving all men the equal opportunity to come before the Father of all creation and be considered a Son and not a slave. It would be wise to objectively study the Word of God and to meditate on it. You will find the wisdom contained therein being to great to be anything less than divinely revealed.
BlessdnHighlyFavrd 11 months ago
@OwnageX2 Chris was crucified because there was a sacrifice necessary for the atonement of sin. God did not want to just change the rules and the ultimate rules never did. They were only simplified. He was trying to convince the world of what He tried to tell them all along; that they were precious to Him and He wants a relationship with them. They are precious enough to watch His only Son die for us. If I am wrong then their is no need to pity me. If you however are wrong I do pity you
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Phnatec123 11 months ago
@Phnatec123 so you are telling me this god created his son only to then have his son killed... in order to appease himself because he could not forgive the us without punishment. why exactly do you believe this? how does this make sense to you? if your god is so great, whats the need of this blood sacrifice. why not just forgive humans without punishment? to quote this show, 'your god is a dick'
OwnageX2 11 months ago
@Phnatec123 and i meant religious people being persecuted by nonreligious people. of course other religions do it to you all the time, thats kind of why we think religion is awful and should be abolished. it sets out to divide people and have them harbor hate towards them for things that happened in the past. its an immoral institution.
OwnageX2 11 months ago
@OwnageX2 Look man, have I really said anything harshly to you? Have I crammed anything down your throat? Yes, there are militant religious groups that persecute, but it is also communistic governments, and now you're advocating an abolishment of ALL religion, so now I MYSELF can't spread the gospel of Jesus here in "America" without being persecuted? In essence, you are pushing for a more communistic government.
Phnatec123 11 months ago
@Phnatec123 Do you know the striking similarity between oppressive governments and religion? the people should have a right to abolish them both when they cause harm. I advocate abolishing all religion because it is harmful to all societies. You cannot spread the gospel of jesus without being persecuted much the same way that you cannot spread the gospel of 'a flat world' without being persecuted. idiocy begs for ridicule.
OwnageX2 11 months ago
@OwnageX2 Wrong, and excuse me sir, but how do you know what my current condition is? Who are you to judge what is "better off?" Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the --->Evidence<---- of things not seen. Just because YOU choose not to trust in the Lord, does not mean that those who do are believing without reason. We have a very a good reason and it's called the Holy Spirit which comforts us, teaches us, corrects us, and confirms us of our eternal salvation.
Phnatec123 11 months ago
@Phnatec123 if your current condition is believing in all of that crap, then yes you would be better off i'm certain of it. who am i to judge? just another human being on this planet capable of reason.
i like the way you describe it. 'faith is the substance of things hoped for'. yeah, it sounds pretty doesnt it. Except when you really look at it, faith is just what you HOPE was true. you have no evidence, no reason, you just want it to be true.
OwnageX2 11 months ago
@Phnatec123
"you haven't been saved"
From whom?
"You can still ask Jesus into your heart"
And if I simply choose to try and live a good life, what should happen to me?
"became a sin offering for you"
I wasn't born yet.
boyinthedrain 11 months ago
@boyinthedrain In spirit and in truth....thats how the Bible is understood
Phnatec123 11 months ago
@Phnatec123
Yep, full of shit.
carom1 11 months ago
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Phnatec123 11 months ago
@Phnatec123
"You must be born again to even understand the Bible"
Or you have to be born again to be conned.
You know the expression "I wasn't born yesterday"?
That means "I am not THAT gullible."
I guess it is appropriate that the term is "Born Again" so you CAN be born yesterday
boyinthedrain 11 months ago
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Phnatec123 11 months ago
@Phnatec123
"I was talking about Sir Issac Newton"
Just because he was a religious man, I'M supposed to be a religious man?
Hey, Thomas Paine was an atheist. Does that mean that anyone who believes in the foundations of this country should be atheists?
"I'm telling you that have "not" been born again"
Nope.
And I also am not a Scientologist
boyinthedrain 11 months ago
@Phnatec123
"Did you know that the father of Science was a biblical freak?"
Who would this be, and what possible relevance could that have to this conversation?
"the concepts and pretty much basis for everything that makes sense to you came from a spiritual man?"
Are you trying to argue from authority now?
What is your definition of integrity?
boyinthedrain 11 months ago
@Phnatec123
"You have no respect for things sacred and holy"
How did they get sacred and holy?
I respect the Earth
I respect the lives of others
I respect making sure this world is left better than how I found it
Those are all REAL
Why should some God, or Allah, or Zeus or whomever you worship be treated as anything other than interesting mythology?
"you're only lying to yourself if you think you know what integrity is"
If I were lying, I would intentionally saying a mistruth
boyinthedrain 11 months ago
@Phnatec123
"Thinking for yourself huh?"
Yes. I can figure out what is moral and immoral based upon how actions affect other people and if those reactions and interactions hurt people and make the world a better or worse place. I don't need to worship some God to do that.
"Integrity huh?"
Yup. I won't worship someone just because they promise to give me a prize if I do and will make sure I get punished if I don't
Someone who acts like that isn't worth worshipping
boyinthedrain 11 months ago
@Phnatec123
"Jesus loves you"
Tell him I say thank you.
"so does my Father"
Who is your dad?
"Jesus looks on your heart"
My heart is a muscle that pumps blood. If you mean that he looks into what my true feelings and emotions are, how can anyone do that? All we can do is see the sum total of our actions.
I would rather have one person helping someone for cynical reasons than 1,000 sincere people praying for some good to happen.
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Phnatec123 11 months ago
@Phnatec123
"did you need more hours to better support your family"
That's why
"God is love"
Tell that to the poor shmuck that Moses stoned to death for collecting sticks
"By "Grace" through faith we saved, not works"
I don't agree with that
I think what we DO is more important than what we BELIEVE
boyinthedrain 11 months ago
I don't understand this "it's his character" thing. Sin doesn't exist without humans and God has supposedly existed for eternity. He is all-knowing and created us knowing we would eventually sin, so he made up sin and demands a payment for it. That is absolutely illogical to me. God must be out of his mind. If it's "his character" to need a sacrifice for sin, then why create sin to begin with?
jkellybrew 1 year ago
"his character is an ass..." ha ha, priceless XD
belladonna4577 1 year ago
Athiest are imoral how ever Sataist......
sirbestnameever 1 year ago
@sirbestnameever Typical Christian bullshit. Go slap yourself.
an0nim0uz 1 year ago
@an0nim0uz omg just because ur an athiest does mean you ur fucking IQ hase gone up 80 points, Im gonna even gonna try and explain to what i wrote, im a athiest/sataist which ud no if you looked at my profile for less than a moment.
sirbestnameever 1 year ago
At one time, I too sacrificed my humanity to accept the christian doctrine, and I'm not proud of that.
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boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@Phnatec123
"not Moses' law"
Where does it say that?
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@Phnatec123
"You don't know God"
I also don't know Zeus, Poseidon, Ra, Lord Brahma nor any other mythological figure.
For the sake of discussion I am not questioning the existence of God. His existence is oddly irrelevant in this exchange.
I am saying that if we use the Bible as the guide for what God wants, what God commands and how we should behave, there are elements that I don't agree with and would object to.
Objections should be counter argued with facts, not threats nor insults
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@Phnatec123
And any time you want to offer up that apology to me, I will accept it
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@boyinthedrain There is a difference between religious law and God's commandment. God says thalt shall NOT KILL. Jesus said LOVE Thine enemy.
Phnatec123 1 year ago
@Phnatec123
"There is a difference between religious law and God's commandment"
But that difference is not illustrated in the Bible. And in Matthew 5:17 - 5:19 Jesus makes it clear that even the smallest law of the Prophets must be obeyed to get entrance into Heaven.
It wasn't until much later when the Romans were adapting Christianity that the adherence to Jewish law was downplayed. It made it easier to win converts.
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@boyinthedrain The difference is very clear when you read the gospels. Jesus separates right from wrong. We are suppose to be like Jesus and keep His 10 commandments(God's law). Jesus said let the man who is without sin cast the first stone. He also said we ALL sin. Jesus said "follow me." So now tell me, was Jesus morally depraved? We are to follow the commandments of God, not the doctrines of men which violate God's commandments.
Phnatec123 1 year ago
@Phnatec123
"The difference is very clear when you read the gospels"
I have read the gospels. The difference was clear as mud
"was Jesus morally depraved?"
No.
I don't always agree with his lessons, but he seemed like a pretty stand up guy. At least the character in the Bible was.
"We are to follow the commandments of God"
I know I am opening a can of worms here, but you can throw 6 of the 10 Commandments in the toilet and flush them down.
4 are worth keeping
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@Phnatec123
"Jesus said LOVE Thine enemy"
Then again there is also Matthew 10:34
I am sure you are going to claim I made THAT up too.
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter in law against her mother in law"
I will grant you, the daughter in law was already against the mother in law
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
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@Phnatec123
"God says that shall NOT KILL"
God has no problem killing
Moses has no problem stoning to death that poor shmuck who was gathering sticks
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@Phnatec123
"Yea brag and boast"
I didn't brag and boast.
I quoted the Bible
And you then claim I was lying and flung insults at me and I guess my dad too.
So read the book, see that I wasn't lying man up and offer up an apology.
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
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Phnatec123 1 year ago
@Phnatec123
"You are a cold blooded liar for this is not in the Bible."
Which part?
Matthew 5:17 Matthew 5:18 Matthew 5:19 aren't in the Bible?
I just made those up?
I made up Mark 7:9? Mark 7:10? Mark 7:11? Mark 7:12? Mark 7:13?
Really? You are going to claim I am LYING?
It's called the Bible... which is a collection of Middle Eastern folk tales that have been edited, translated and altered over the generations.
I will accept your apology once you actually READ the Bible
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@Phnatec123
"I detest your behavior"
By quoting that book and having my argument stick to the facts of what is in the book?
That behavior is bad but calling someone a cold blooded liar and the son of the Devil is perfectly acceptable.
Got it
I will accept your apology once you look up those passages
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@Phnatec123
And of course there is Matthew 5:17-19
Jesus says he does not come to abolish the laws of the prophets... not the small one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law... Anyone who breaks one of the least of the commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven
And of course in Mark he admonishes those who don't murder their unruly kids
My kids were unruly yesterday
I didn't murder them.
I guess in God's eyes I am a bad person
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@Phnatec123
"His good is much greater than our good"
I don't agree with this statement
The God in the Bible does many things that if I did them, I would be considered to be immoral at best and psychotic at worst
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
This video is a perfect dismantling of the entire 'salvation' narrative of Christianity.
rafaravioli 1 year ago
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@Phnatec123 "By believing, you have nothing to lose other than maybe your dignity due to bashing atheists. You gain nothing from not believing." how am I bashing Atheists if I'm one myself? and Yes, I don't gain anything from not believing, neither do I loose anything. just as much as you don't gain or loose anything by not believing in Allah or any other theistic god
javonne 1 year ago
@javonne Know that I am educated, so please don't be condescending.
Phnatec123 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 I never said you were not educated in other fields, but stating everything that you did in your previous posts thus far leads me to believe that you are NOT well informed in the understandings of what proponents of the scientific method actually stand for and condone
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Phnatec123 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 "Judaism is the earliest monotheistic religion. The coming messiah of the jewish bible (old testament) is Jesus of the new testament. Tons of the foretold prophecies of the old testament were fulfilled in the new testament such as the fortelling of the virgin birth under the house of david in Isaiah that came to pass in the gospels and in micah" once again, that is using the bible to prove the bible. also, scolars suggest that Jesus was not born in Bethleham but in Nazareth
javonne 1 year ago
@javonne
"Judaism is the earliest monotheistic religion"
Not true. The oldest monotheistic religion is probably Zoroastrianism.
bbree333 1 year ago
@bbree333 I never claimed that it was, if you read my post again, you'll see that I was quoting the words from the person that I was conversating with. He made that statement not me, I think Zoroastrianism may have been the very first and then Judaism, but again I might be incorrect :D
thanks for pointing that out though, for anyone else who happens to read your post
javonne 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 "All i can say is seek God for yourself and you shall find." unfortunately, me becoming an Atheist was BECAUSE I was looking for God. and when I began looking into the bible and doing serious research on the bible, and original texts.
javonne 1 year ago
@javonne well you must have missed the faith part lol
Phnatec123 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 And even if Christianity is correct and the god of the bible is true, then how do you distinguish it between Apostolic, Baptist, Pentecostal, catholic etc.? Christianity has over 30,000 separate denominations, who's right? who's telling the truth? you can't all be right, but you can all be wrong. so if you're saying that you hear from God, and this guy says he hears from God, and you're both saying something different than again, who's REALLY hearing from God?
javonne 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 "I said that because you were not listening to me." yes I was, I read everything you said, and I responded accordingly, is it because I don't agree with your beliefs which is why you think I'm a waste of time and space? you don't agree with my stance on your religion and you believe something that sounds absolutely ridiculous, but I don't consider you a waste of time or space at all.
javonne 1 year ago
@itiswrittenbaptist And even if you didn't, would you be against anyone else making a TV show to express their non-belief in Aliens? Hoping that in some way or another it would get someone out there to think more about their beliefs....
javonne 1 year ago
@itiswrittenbaptist and it's NOT hypocritical to have a whole channel dedicated to furthering your faith based beliefs? (as in "the word channel") now you say you don't believe in Aliens, but what if politicians began writing laws and such to support their beliefs in Aliens? and establishing their beliefs into the way we all lived? would you NOT jump at the opportunity to get on TV and tell others about your non-belief in Aliens and why you don't believe?...
javonne 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 "Jesus is not only a model of a perfect righteous and selfless life, but his death is what is the atonement that redeems us from SIN." putting aside the fact that you're trying to use the bible to prove the bible, I'll just go ahead and ask you what is considered sin? what can you define as sin?
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Phnatec123 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 " God IS in ultimate control, but the way this country is headed, it will be that way. Ofcourse the end is inevitable, but this is why I say these things to you with love so that you might hear me." ah, so if this country was only more christian and if the world was more christian than the world would be a better place eh? lol, here's a bit of knowledge for you, Statistics show that the more Atheistic a country is the less there is of social problems... this is fact, not opinion.
javonne 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 "This is why i say free will is a rope of trust." lmao! nothing says trust more than a threat of eternal torture lol. but here's another bit of knowledge for you my friend, if you are being threatened with punishment for chosing something than that is NOT free will, God's (so called) since of free will is nothing different than compulsory.
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Phnatec123 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 "By the power of God appropriated by our faith, which is given freely, we can overcome sickness and diseases. Faithless people need doctors. You can put your faith in science if you will, but know that it is self-correcting. God needs no correction." so I guess you've never been to the doctor? you've never taken medicine? you've never seen a dentist?... yeah that's what I thought. oh and uh, God doen't need correction? HE SUPPOSEDLY KILLED HIMSELF TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKE!
javonne 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 and btw. if you say that God has magical healing power then why won't God heal amputees?
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Phnatec123 1 year ago
@javonne The wages of sin are death and although physical death is inevitable, if we are dead in christ, we are also made alive in Him too. This is exactly what the resurrection represents, our resurection. Jesus said beleive on me and ye shall have everlasting life. The death at the cross is the power of God. All you have to do is accept Jesus in your heart and you WILL receive the Holy Spirit. You have a whole new world to discover, my friend and it is given to you freely.
Phnatec123 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 btw. I was a baptist christian for 22 years, and it was because of ACTUALLY reading the bible WITHOUT a biased view on it, which is the reason I'm an atheist today, I could no longer justify the horrific atrocities in the bible. so telling me that I simply have to BELIEVE in this garbage is NOT going to convince me that this book is of ANY validity. how ANYONE could sit back and say "Yeah, God sending another human being dying for my sins is awesome, and so loving." No it's not
javonne 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 "You are the fool who desires a just God that will sacrifice all of Himself" No, I don't desire nor require that anyone sacrifice themselves for something that I did, and another problem I have with this whole idea of Jesus sacrificing himself for our sins is, what have you or I done which requires that a blood sacrifice even need to be made? What, Adam and Eve eating a piece of fruit that God made and placed in the garden for ""decoration"?
javonne 1 year ago
@Phnatec123 God sends his son to be killed in order to forgive you, but then brings him back to life 3 days later? How does that come across as a secrifice; or even a display of ultimate intelligence for that matter? If God truely sent Jesus to be a sacrifice for our sins THEN JESUS WOULD NEVER HAVE RISEN!... No, I cannot subscirbe to the notion of a "loving" creator who punishes those he claims to love for something he already knew they were going to do before he even creates them.
javonne 1 year ago
@chica0616 what!? first you say that God cannot be sacrificed because he's a spirit but Jesus was God in the flesh, so God DID sacrifice himself TO himself, in order to forgive the creations which he himself created. not to mention that God KNEW that this would happen and that he would have to sacrifice himself once he supposedly created the Universe. why can't he just forgive? and another thing, if he's a spirit then HOW could he impregnate a vergin? what did he have supernatural sperm?...
javonne 1 year ago
What is, to you, an "ultimate" sacrifice?
And, is sacrificing something/someone else "ultimate"? Or penultimate?
Discuss.
P0weredByPie 1 year ago
@chica0616
Please explain why there had to be a perfect sacrifice for all of human kind? And if you would also care to explain how Matt is being ignorant...If anything, I think being ignorant is blindly accepting what scripture teaches without thinking it out in a logical and rational way
mjduke27 1 year ago
@mjduke27 read my post and you'll understand his ignorance.
Phnatec123 1 year ago
This demonstrates the problem with any character in a story that can just do whatever the fuck he wants. Great vid.
darklordrandy 1 year ago
thats a common misconception he gave he son for us.... HE (God) spoke through His son to the world. reason for Him ssay " I WAS" and " I AM" in the Bible.
CheyennedeLuna77 1 year ago
Wow...I almost feel sorry for this dude xD
Existentialisht 1 year ago
In this hypothetical scenario where you say that God exists, it is impossible for God to be immoral because God dictates morality.
ryania 1 year ago
@ryania
"God dictates morality"
No. In the scenario where he exists, he doesn't dictate morality. He dictates his will and his demands.
If he dictated something IMMORAL (like attempt to murder your son) that doesn't suddenly become moral because God said it.
If something causes unwarranted harm or misery to an innocent person, then it is immoral. Doesn't matter who says it.
And the only way religion gets around us it is it TRIES to make sure we all feel worthless without God. Sneaky
boyinthedrain 1 year ago
@ryania
Satan gave man the knowledge of Good and Evil. God wants man and the angels as his slaves!
Kyruis 1 year ago
@Kyruis Why didn't god just blast satan with lazorz and destroy hell?
rangergxi 1 year ago
I love these guys! A more calm and lucid dissection of the folly of Christianity you will never hear. I want to kiss Tracie and rub Matt's head ; )
jk147a 1 year ago 15
@jk147a :)
rangergxi 1 year ago
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@jk147a Well if you want to hear the truth, read my post.
Phnatec123 1 year ago
Satan achieves his misrepresentation of God’s character, by having God’s actions viewed as being identical to man’s. The more he can make God appear to being like men, the better pleased he is. But Christ works in the opposite direction. The more He can show that the ways of God and sinful man are different the more successful He is in saving them from Satan’s deadly lies. His revelations of God were exactly contrary to those offered by the devil.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 As a result of Christ’s effective ministry, we can know that God’s ways and man’s are not merely different in many, but in all things.
That these vital truths are not generally understood and accepted is evidenced by the usual interpretation of the verses concerning the fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, wherein God is considered to have behaved as any earthly potentate would under the same circumstances.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 Therefore, as surely as it is established that God’s ways are different from man’s, then so certainly must another explanation to these verses be sought. This alternative is not found by casting around in the human mind for other possibilities. The Bible, under the illumination of the Holy Spirit, must be its own interpreter. When it is learned from there how such words are to be understood, the correct concept of God will be gained.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 Within the Word of God the same terminology is used consistently when describing God’s actions in the destruction of people and cities. God does not provide a careful explanation of what He means by these words in every case. But there are two or three places where He does and this is sufficient to inform us how every such expression is to be interpreted. Thus the truth is established in the "mouth of two or three witnesses." Matthew 18:16.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 Reference will now be made to three such witnesses to clarify from the Word itself how such statements are to be understood when used to describe God’s action. The method used in the Scriptures to make the meaning clear is to express the same truth in two different places in two different ways. In the first case, what God did will be clearly stated. Then the Lord Himself will use His own method of expressing or describing what He did.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 By putting these two together it will be clearly seen what God means when He says, "I destroyed them."Remember that it is not important what we think the Lord meant when He uses certain expressions. Our task is to be sure of what the Lord meant when He used those words.
The first reference to be considered is in regard to the death of Saul the first king of Israel.
"And the battle went sore against Saul, and the archers hit him, and he was wounded of the archers".
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 "Then said Saul to his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. So Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.
"And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise on the sword and died.So Saul died, and his three sons, and all his house died together." I Chronicles 10:3-6.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 This is a simple, and therefore easily understood, account of Saul’s death. There is a background to this event which is but the climax of that which went before. After a certain critical point in the king’s life he persistently rejected the appeals of mercy. By this means he took himself further and further outside the circle of God’s protection until it was impossible for the Lord to help him. This was not because the Lord would not, but only because He could not.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 Thus, when he went forth to the final baffle, he went without the Lord’s protection and he knew it. It was for this reason Saul sought guidance from the witch at Endor. Without God’s presence, there was nothing to save him from the dreadful power of the Philistines with the result that his destruction was a predetermined thing.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 As Saul’s life is considered, it will be seen that he took himself away from God, placing himself where there was no defence from Satan’s power, and thus, in fact, destroyed himself. Nowhere in Saul’s entire history is there anything to give us the idea that God raised His mighty hand and struck him down.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 The only actions we see on God’s part were to extend every possible effort to save him and then when he would not be saved but only resisted with greater and greater vigour, the outreach of the Spirit, God had no choice but to withdraw from him. For God to have maintained a connection with Saul against his will, would have been to have forced His presence where it was not desired, and this the Lord cannot and will not do.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 Having seen clearly, then, what the Lord did in respect to Saul’s destruction, we are now ready to see how He described what He did.
"So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it;
"And inquired not of the Lord: therefore He slew him. and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse." 1Chronicles 10:13,14.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 God exerted all the influence of love and truth to save au, and when he would not be saved, then the Lord went away and left him to what he wanted—his own way. God did not raise His hand to slay Saul. He killed himself just in time to save the Philistines from doing it. The Scriptures. which are the very expression of God’s thought, described that in these words, "Therefore, He (the Lord God of Heaven) slew him."
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 This is certainly not the way we would use the words. "He slew him "to describe human behaviour. If they were used to describe human behaviour, then we would have known that the slayer would have come to the victim, not moved away from him; that he would have carried the sword in his own hand, not been empty handed; and that he would have brought the sword down upon the head of the guilty person.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 So foreign is this form of expression to what we are accustomed to, that it is difficult initially, to think in this new terminology. Yet, In order to truthfully understand God’s thought as expressed in His word, the mind must be re-educated to think this way when reading about God’s ways as distinct from men’s ways. There certainly will be no difficulty in seeing that the way in which God uses words and the way in which we use them, are contrary to each other.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 The presentation of one witness is never sufficient to establish the truth of the Bible. A second must be added.As with Saul, so with the entire nation of Israel. Centuries of loving appeals had been spurned, the prophets had been persecuted and, in some cases, martyred. Eventually, the Son of God Himself, came with a personal message from the Father.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 But they rejected Him even more emphatically, underscoring the intensity of their feelings by seeking nothing less than the most torturous and humiliating death for Him that they could find.
The time came when Christ recognized that they had passed the point of no return. What did He say and do? He declared that Jerusalem was beyond hope and then, instead of launching fiery balls of destruction upon the city, He quietly left them to their fate.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 Again. He did not do this because He wanted to, but because there was nothing else He could do that was consistent with His character of love. Here are His sad words.
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 "For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." Matthew 23:37-39.
For the same reasons and in harmony with the same principles, God left Israel exactly as He had left Saul. Thus was removed from them the only effective defence from their many enemies. For centuries the devil had thirsted for the blood of the entire nation.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 Knowing that he could not touch them whilever the protection of God was about them, and knowing that while they were obedient it would always be there, he laboured with terrible success to lead them into disobedience.
So the time came when the Jews had caused God’s protection to be withdrawn from them and there was nothing to shield them from disaster. It came with ferocious savagery upon their unprotected heads. The full truth of this is clearly expressed in the following record.
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 "The Jews had forged their own fetters; they had filled for themselves, the cup of vengeance. In the utter destruction that befell them as a nation, and in all the woes that followed them in their dispersion were but reaping the harvest which their own hands had sown. Says the prophet, O Israel; thou hast destroyed thyself;’ ‘for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.’
otnt66 1 year ago
@otnt66 Their sufferings are often represented as a punishment visited upon them by the direct decree of God. It is thus that the great deceiver seeks to conceal his own work. By stubborn rejection of divine love and mercy, the Jews had caused the protection of God to be withdrawn from them, and Satan was permitted to rule them according to his will: The horrible cruelties enacted in the destruction of Jerusalem are a demonstration of Satan’s vindictive power over those who yield to his control.
otnt66 1 year ago