I don't want to live in Stefan's reality where marriage, getting kids and bring them up are considered socialism.
I'm 100% egoist. Everything I do is out of genuine selfishness. Including getting a wife, have kids with her and bring our kids up.
I do believe though, there are many people who are starting families because they think it's an obligation, nationalist for instance: all for your country and that shit, but to claim family is an a priori example of socialism is moronically immature.
@NoGovtFreeMarked Parents take care of children and don't get anything material in return, at least not until maybe later on in life. That does in some way resemble socialism. Redistributing wealth. I feel human nature is selfish but some are capable of helping someone without getting anything in return.
What an amusing load of stupidity. You speak as if gender roles and their attendant qualities are programmed into your neurological network at birth and not learned from environmental positive and negative accumulations. I like how you'll let your daughter break her neck on the stairs, consider yourself a bad parent for not providing her healthcare, and don't consider yourself a bad neighbour for letting a neighbour perish. Keep peddling that religion of yours; you're unravelling it very nicely.
@LivingIsEmpathy "You speak as if gender roles and their attendant qualities are programmed into your neurological network at birth and not learned from environmental positive and negative accumulations."
The average male and female brains are quite different in morphologies, and have different patterns of intelligence. There is much evidence to support the idea that our cognitive capacity and behavioural patterns are genetically influenced.
@LivingIsEmpathy Well your brain morphology has a massive impact on your behaviour and cognitive ability, and the average male and average females brains are quite different and makes them more suited to specific tasks (men tend to be better with spacial thinking, women tend to have better verbal skills, for instance) so they take on different average roles and skill sets. Not all women are the average woman and not all men are the average man, so there are exceptions.
@LivingIsEmpathy If you don't think certain elements of the gender roles are predisposed, then how would you account for transgender people? Do they just make a concious decision to adopt the opposite gender or were they born that way? I'd side with the latter.
Impeaching a president WITH THE INTENT OF HAVING NO RULER can be an anarchical statement. However, any government president is VERY likely to be a statist, even the one that follows. Replacing one statist with another isn't much progress, but no one can argue that 4 years of putting Ron Paul's ideas and policies into action would be worse than 4 years of Obama.
You pretty much ripped this mom/dad paradigm stuff verbatim directly from larken Rose without credit. In fact Im reading his book that predates stef in which I recognize a lot of Stefs philosophy but never hear him giving credit...
i was under the assumption that Our economy tanked because of some deregulation, allowing banks to make riskier moves, playing with money they shouldnt have, which eventually went bust.... what am i missing? what (else) happened and where can i learn about it?
@anonforuz The banks made loans that they knew were non-repayable. They essentially loaned out to people who would not have normally gotten it, this is what they refer to as "deregulation". But that's being deceitful, the real reaosn for this is governments meddling in the free markets because government guaranteed the loans given to the people, so banks said "Hey, fuck it - let's just give loans to EVERYBODY cuz the government will pay us back if they person can't" And so they did.
@anonforuz Also, have a search for "Milton Friedman" on youtube if you want a crash course in why "deregulating" isn't such a bad thing, because then banks and corporations are on their own.. no more bailouts, and they won't go around spending everybody's money if they know they won't get bailed out. Also look up "Peter Schiff"
I can pinpoint this even more..I was raised by just a mother but I had a strong Godly influence..it is about being led by wisdom and strength or emotions. Women are generally led by emotions and feel..men not so much.
Adam Kokesh. You must ask me for permission to do that. If you dont ask or you disobey mi command, you are going to hell for million years for tortments before my eyes. Remember me.
Also funnily enough, I actually think stef is right about his ideas about family. The feeling I get when I feel the effects of stupid government policies affecting me negatively is exactly the same as the feeling I used to get when stupid parenting affected me badly. But in a way this parenting model has pushed me more towards free market anti-statism because I saw through it then and I see through it now.
The family is free, but not a market in a real sense. Of course it involves action and exchange, but there is no currency so economic calculation doesn't take place in the same way as in a real market. Not that it's a problem but I think Adam is mixing up volantarism with markets in general.
The only solution to the State is educating the people. I'd say political action does accomplish that to some degree. Just look at the massive amounts of people Ron Paul has turned to libertarianism and even anarcho-capitalism (I being one of the examples of the latter). I think impeachment would be a great idea, not because it would be successful (I seriously doubt it would), but because it would expose people to a different mindset --- doubt rather than trust of the State.
Fantastic discussion! Perhaps I've been living in a bubble, but its the first time I've heard the discussion of mother vs father politics in such clear and relative terms, as it concerns politics today. Thanks Stef!
I consider myself a hardcore anarcho capitalist. I do not want to have anything at all to do with violent, coercive people. That being said, i'll take what ever victories for freedom I can get.
Very interesting points about the family. In fact, Marx explicitly stated that he modeled the communist idea after the desire to turn the world into one big family. I guess he didn't realize that he was laying the foundation for a very abusive family.
Immediate family, extended family, close friends, neighbours, community, associates... It's not black and white folks. Just as to care about other people and place them before profit and property laws is not statism or communism or maternal. To me it is very very clear that we are a society and closing ourselves off from that does not empower us, but leaves us more vulnerable to a subversive state.
You never know what might come next. I think it was Dough Casey who said:The romans had emperor Tiberius and when thought it could not get any worse they got Cailugula and then Nero and a civil war.
I have been hard on Stef lately, but this time I appreciate and agree with his views, almost completely. I believe this subject matter was met with more of an open mind and realistic responses. Just to be fair and balanced with my comment offerings, lol.
I really don't understand this Kokesh guy. His entire worldview seems to be a mess of misguidedness and contradiction, with the occasional sane argument (directly taken from stef, with him seemingly barely understanding it) added.
He was a marine - i.e., one of the state's gun-wielding enforcement agents, and NAP violator extraordinaire, and doesn't seem at all ashamed by it, which alone means he lacks even basic understanding of the ideals he is trying to present himself as a public voice of.
Perhaps he became more of an anarchist after serving in the military. (after his arm tattoo atleast) Stefan wasn't an anarchist his whole life. And the suggestion of holding war criminals (the current US pres) accountable for their crimes (atleast impeached) might be statist simply because it involves political action, although i think Adam was asking if it's moral; i agree with Stef and him that it is.
@ingyinginging I know a ton of jarheads like Adam, when I was in the army. They get a little tiny bit knowledge, with positive reinforcement, then think they know it all. Like training a dog. That is how they are trained.
Adam is total douche bag. And a closet case statist.
The fact that he wants to "impeach Obama" said it all.
Ignore the fact that it will cause a power vacuum, and put another statist in place (i.e. Republican) who openly will go to war with Iran.
Impeaching a president WITH THE INTENT OF HAVING NO RULER
Adam should have made that clear if that was his intent, but it wasn't. Guys like him are doing it for the attention and the power they had when they were in the field. Also it makes him more interesting at parties, so he can argue and fight another day.
I am not proud what of what I did, and will never wear my "dress blues." Even though I love and respect my brothers, I still wouldn't proudly parade my past (like Adam does).
hmmm I find this video boring. Maybe its my mood. Maybe its the round about way they dance around the reality that statism is a scam used to enslave most of its members...Maybe its the fact that the govern as "family" concept was discussed by my classmates back in the 80's...
There are HUGE reasons why people are Con or Lib. Geographical for one, all over the world! North is generally C. and south Lib. Having to do with Industry vs. AG. You may conform or rebel against your parents beliefs. Time periods and pendulum swings. I was a liberal in the 70's when young and it made sense, civil, womens rights etc, now not, because now it doesnt make sense. Prosperity , people are generous, in hardship not. This mommy/daddy shit is a load of tripe. Sorry, you can do better.
@pipobun EU is not a country but a false construct. In the countries of Europe north and south are generally of opposite political ideologies. The industrial north of Spain (catalunya and Basque) are almost anarchist (even fought for it during the civil war), the poor AG south nearly communist. Same with Italy, and as far as I know, most countries follow this trend. I cant speak for Canada, is that a country? Never heard of it.
@pipobun I'm not sure, why not tell me? I dont know the geo of the Countries of Scandanavia. Mostly spent time in the Med and Africa in that region of the world. But I can say,Catalan anarchism was NOT communism.
@SonjaSmith democratic workers' syndicates? communism all the way if u ask me ... scandinavia and finland are the most socialist in the whole socialist EU...
@pipobun True, and scando's are the happiest people in the world by Forbes statistics. Others say people who live close to beaches. I dont know their N/S political stats, if there are any. Perhaps Socialism really is the way to go!
Impeachment at this point is ridiculous, time and financially consuming. If Bush never got impeached , neither will Obama. I'm not a huge fan of this latest Mommy/Daddy/sibling stuff either. It borders on pseudo psychology and I believe their are better arguments against statism than this type of hocus pocus. The young are typically liberal, they have not had the chance to earn or learn what being TAXED is about. Older, Business people are conservative because they know they mostly get screwed
Could be attempting to impeach Obama results in a more hawkish right winger being elected which brings about war a bloody with Iran. That's the thing with politics, you can't predict the outcomes, often they're opposite your intentions.
Impeaching Obama might result in net good, but that doesn't mean it was worth the time and resources and energy. Would be more productive to think about solutions that circumvent the state rather than play wack-a-mole imo.
@waveoflight I guess my plan is just to try to live as well as I can. I think speculating against government misallocations is a good thing to do, if you have spare money. I'm getting interested in raw foods too ("coincidentally", avoiding the foods that the government is most associated with happens to be really healthy for you). I think Bitcoin and seasteading are good ideas.
Who knows, but I think even a random dart is better than engaging the state (the dart at least has a chance).
I like Adam but he really can't let go of the idea that political action is the way to achieve freedom, can he? I suppose it would mean having to do a show with far fewer viewers...
@WorthlessCurrency Adam was kicked off RT after a slip-up in one program where he advocated sending money to the Ron Paul campaign. Which is a big no-no because RT, being a foreign corporation, is barred from advocating for any candidate.
An unfortunate temporary set-back for Adam but I think in the long run he'll be better off for it.
@WorthlessCurrency probably because he is getting delusional like stefan. the world is not black and white like anarchism is trying to portray. they are playing with fire but like all children they don't see the harm until their arm or leg is busted.
@erdal0 could you be a little more specific? a world of black and white seems more like right now with the state having the sole authority to exercise involuntarism. besides, you seem to be hinting that morality is malleable which is pure silliness. the playing with fire thing totally went over my head.
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Children have no concept of economics, let alone the free market. Let alone the cultural norms and expectations they were born into. I guess Chinese children lust for labor camps because they were raised by Chinese parents. Utter nonsense.
Yet another made up bunch of mumbo-jumbo brought to you by KGB radio. Someone please point me to the psychological studies / literature these two are using to prop up their argument.
@stefbot Thank you, I just purchased the Kindle edition for $2. With a price like that I can only assume the free market has correctly determined the value of this book. Naturally, Ill have to read it before I comment further.
Just curious, do you buy into any other quasi-social theories? Say for example, are homosexuals raised by their parents to be gay?
@DrDissent What is so controversial about ideas like, if a child is raised in violence they will become violent or accept violence as a norm, or that if a child is raised in a matriarchal or patriarchal family system that as adults they will have an affinity for such a system?
@regresseur Like Mark Twin pointed out, there are "Lies, damned lies, and statistics". There is nothing really wrong with the idea, but people are INDIVIDUALS not statistical probabilities. Sure statistically, children raised in violent situations often exhibit violence, but not always. Not even close to always.
Like Stef has often pointed out TRUTH HAS TO BE UNIVERSAL. If you can find just 1 person that does fit the statistic, you clearly have a problem with your hypothesis. People are complex
I didn't say anything about statistics. I presented an idea - you either agree or disagree. Conveniently you do both in, "nothing really wrong with the idea," followed by, "often exhibit violence, but not always. Not even close to always." And you blatantly contradict yourself in, "often... " then, "Not even close to always." The bottom line here is that you don't want to accept the extremely high correlation between abuse, and dysfunctional behavior and pathology.
@regresseur Im sorry youre having trouble with the English language. There is nothing contradictory in saying something often occurs, but at the same time is far from always. 67% for example.
The bottom line here is Im not about to accept the idea that abuse and dysfunctional behavior have much of anything to do with why people accept the idea of Governments, let alone, political persuasions. The science Ive seen doesnt support it, but its a nice story that sounds plausible.
Your word gamery aside, Stefan is not a god and he's not going to swoop down and protect you, especially when you conflate shit that is totally unrelated like you did here in the 2nd half of your post. When there's a near 100% correlation between x and y we don't then conclude that x has nothing to do with y, as that would be completely retarded.
@regresseur Next to you, hes defiantly Godlike. I challenged the evidence and asked for a source. Id imagine an intelligent puts videos up to be challenged, not so a bunch of groupies can roll past and blindly agree. He provided me with a link to a book. I purchased the book and will see where it leads me. Its really as simple as that.
PS When it comes to enormous complexity of human behavior pinning your conclusions on singular correlation often leads to false conclusions.
@YJohannM My working theory at the moment stems from Freud's Oedipus complex. Freud theorized we all want to have sex with our mothers (secretly of course)... maybe that's why we all enjoy being fucked by the Government?
@DrDissent Psychologist Julian Jaynes' book " The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" has very interesting theories. The human physical brain is still evolving. A major event in this evolution took place less than 10,000 years ago -- becoming conscious of the fact that we are conscious animals. We have a long way to go in geologic time to evolve away from lower violent mammals. Ethics has only been around a few thousand years at most.
@DrDissent Who said anything about children's concepts of economics? They are talking about the mental framework which emotionally and psychologically influences people to want a big central figure of one type or the other to lead, or to regulate one thing or the other.
@batmanthe Maybe people are conditioned to want a hero. I have no clear scientific studies to back that up, but I did find a book online that said so. Therefore, I blame the Walt Disney company along with the Cartoon Network for producing so many stories containing bad guys and a hero. Clearly *cough cough* this has a psychological impact and sets up a framework for the belief politicians will fill the roll of the hero in adulthood and save us from our own bad decisions.
@carefulcarpenter It that your professional internet opinion or were you simply trying really hard to come up with something intelligent to say? Try a little harder, around these parts asinine comments wont raise your stock price one cent.
@DrDissent Mostly a gut feeling. When I read the words on YT I use my senses to feel what is behind the comments that I read. We all can use some therapy, especially when anger, contempt, or labeling becomes a mask for some repressed condition. Projection becomes a tell-tale sign of deeper imbalance. One can read about observations that Carl Jung made before WWII that shed light on this.
@carefulcarpenter Thats a fascinating approach that I'd guess has led you to many, many failures in your decisions making.
I have no contempt for anything in this video other than the interpretation of the so called "evidence" being passed off as factual and scientifically sound.
@DrDissent Would you agree that children don't have some innate sense of fairness that they are born with? What I mean, is do you not believe that people are born basically good? Kids don't start out broken, barring some serious chemical imbalances... they are blank slates, and even within some rather wretched environments, people have been known to rise up very quickly. People make something out of nothing all the time.
parent child is NOTHING like free market, the child has no bargaining power and was forced into the dealing with its parents. it cannot renegotiate its contract and has nothing of value to add. cuddles pfff. go tell your boss if he pays you more you will give him more cuddles. these analogies are getting out of hand and out of context
sick of hearing you guys trash the people who are out protesting . so what if they are clueless, at least they arent just sitting around talking about what would be better. they know something is wrong and they want it changed. you guys figured out WHAT is wrong but do nothing about it other than trash talk others for NOT knowing what YOU know. sad and pathetic
Relax. This OWS movement should welcome criticism. They aren't going to accomplish anything of worth if they can't take any criticism or suggestions. Just being mad isn't going to change anything. You guys need ideas. How exactly are you going to appeal to government to fix the problems with more regulations or taxes on the rich or whatever other fool-hardy ideas you have, if the government is the enabler of these problems? They favored the crooks, and they bailed out the crooks.
@doodofdoods whoa buddy chill. i didnt even say i supported them, just tired of hearing those not doing things to make change attack those who are doing thins for change. the criticizm stef is offering is holier than thou and not intended to educate. they are not MY ideas. please stop ad hominem attacks as i have NOT posted my beliefs or stance on the subject so for you to include me with the protestors is foolish
ad hominem? I did not attack you, I assumed you were in favor of OWS based on your comment. You at least favor them going out and doing something rather than "sitting around talking", right? but exactly are the protesters doing except for sitting around talking? I mean it's not like the protest is going to accomplish anything of significance. The greatest thing that could be accomplished is intelligent conversation amongst the protesters. Solutions won't come from the ignorant.
@hez1919 They do nothing? How can you possible say that? Adam was right there on the scene and does this show. Stephan has his great web site and videos which educate that masses.
@StepUPNJ i see that education is lost upon you. you should have said "how can you possiblY say that " and "videos which educate THE masses"...how dare you come at me with this what have you done crap, stef himself says "i have no solutions" he only knows its broken and has no way to fix it, so why follow him and attack the protestors for not knowing how to fix the problem when your guru doesnt have any better ides, only a better target
@StepUPNJ so stef says the protests are bad and pointless yet adam was right there throwing out his "voice" so which is it then? are you supposed to protest or not? your gurus cannot even become unanimous on what to do right now so how are the millions who are ACTUALLY doing stuff supposed to agree. what these protests lack is LEADERSHIP not scathing retractions from the people who should be leading
@hez1919 I know there are a lot of libertarians , including me going out to these protests but mainly not to protest but to educate those who know there is something wrong but don't have direction.. What good does the protesting do if there are a million differing opinions and the most prominent voices are all calling for more government? We only make THEIR numbers look bigger. The End the Fed protests going on those are at least a good alternative where the message is clear.
@batmanthe ok so your view is to attack the state however you believe attacking the federal reserve is better, let me help you understand, the federal reserve is a PRIVATE company, so to attack a private company when your target is the state is just as foolish as you say the protestors are acting.
@hez1919 No the Federal Reserve is a unique entity given a sort of corporate monopoly greater than all the rest. The fact that it's private is meaningless when all of it's protections are from the guns of the state. Corporations are also not real private entities because of the state protectionism but they are at least partially earning their money from voluntary interactions in the market. Attacking the Federal Reserve is to attack the entire system at it's foundation.
@batmanthe I don't believe in the protections given to Corporations. I would call for the ending of their subsidies and protections; not regulations which only distort the market and which are used to gain the government more power and the largest corporations themselves benefit also because they know how to game the system.
@batmanthe interesting so when a business pays the govt to make laws making that the only business that can do something, and then consumers buy the product because there is no choice you feel that this is "voluntary" market interaction? there are people with more money than america, individuals, who own the corporations and thereby the govts, the fed is just a part of that game. they are not afraid of the people, in fact they want this to get out of hand so they can arrest you
@Lechteron I beg to differ as not all politicians are out to ruin people's lives. There is a distinct difference between those that are bought (the majority) like Obama, and the others (the minority) like Bernie Sanders. The bought politicians (the majority) do the bidding of the government far more frequently than corporations doing what the government tells them to do. Folks like Bernie Sanders resist corporate influence over government policy while trying to protect people's interests.
@therealcharismatron I only know of one guy that doesn't get lobbyists to bribe him and that's Ron Paul. The rest, even his son, aren't to be trusted.
@Lechteron No actually the corporations own the politicians. If their was no rewards to the politicians for backstabbing the people then it is unlikely they will be bothered to do so.
@akscldn Mhm. But who creates the legal fiction known as corporations? Politicians do. Who creates the system of regulations and taxes and what ever else that makes it so that the only way to get ahead is by bribing politicians? The politicians do. It's not the fault of business that we live in a fascist dictatorship. The politicians created the environment that brings corporations about and forces them to make bribes to get ahead. Lord Acton was right, my friend.
@akscldn Politicians stab you in the back because they're evil. They're corrupted by power. Few are the men who can resist the call of the One Ring. The real solution is to throw the ring of power in to the hell fire of Mt. Doom where it ultimately belongs. That's what will solve the problems.
Can you tell the difference between red balls, green balls and balls? If corporations own politicians, then it would take $20 to own a politican, because that is all it takes to create a corporation.
@carefulcarpenter That's fair enough. People act out of self-interest. The solution seems to be to remove the system that makes the best way of achieving your self-interest happen off the backs of others. That's not a system the corporations created but one that they take advantage of because self-interest is human nature; we are innately individualistic after all. That system is created by the state and politicians.
@Lechteron When you try to cram individualistic creatures into collectivism they will use, harm, and kill each other to get ahead. If you embrace individualism in society than both the individualistic and social nature of man can triumph and we can reach a golden age so to speak.
@Lechteron In most cases, we become a product of our environment. It serves self-interest if your neighbors are doing well. What destroys, eventually, is the power groups have to sway a person towards the POWER HIERARCHY and away from the TRUTH HIERARCHY. Older sibling, with the power to build a club (for we know from history, the first-born has significant advantages over the latter comers), uses the club to socio-political advantage. CLUB being a word with multi-level meaning.
@Lechteron govt is too big in some places and too small in others. Yes the ultra rich DO own politicians. Yes they use eachother to screw us, but it STARTS with the industrialists. Its the ultra rich own the media, that put flouride in our water, that genetically alter our food. Its the corporations that are going into Greece and buying off all their government assets.
@MyDormantSoul Wrong. Government is too big in ALL areas. Any use of coercive force is morally unacceptable and that's what government is, a group of people that claim for themselves the right to use coercive force. They set up the systems and conditions that created corporations. There's nothing wrong with industry but industry in a fascist regime like the U.S. has to bow to it's masters and pay bribes to stay in business. It's not even really business or government that starts it anyway.
@Lechteron The govt has been getting progressively smaller in some areas and bigger in others. They let the Oligarchy but flouride in our water and put aluminum oxide in all airplane chemtrails. These chemicals rot the brain over periods of time and have no demonstrable benefits. Whos to stop the Oligarchy from purchasing its private army under anarchism? And Stefan's model still employs force. His system ostracizes individuals from society who dont pay insurance companies or break the law.
@ProDCloud alex jones is insane. And what? You're saying there isnt flouride in the water? Your saying there isnt horrible consequences from decades and decades of flouride and aluminum oxide consumption?
@MyDormantSoul What starts it is the lust for power over our fellow man and an underlying system that puts people with an individualistic nature in to a collectivist setting. People will naturally fight to rise to the top. If we did away with power. If we redistributed that to every one. Freed every one. Let them actually own themselves than people could fulfill both our individualistic and social natures. They'd cease to be in conflict with each other.
@Lechteron We only see this "lust for power" not because its inherent in govt but because the oligarchy has controlled them for years. There have been individual administrations that have stood up for the freemarket like in the early 1900s when the Big 5 studios had a monopoly over the film industry, the govt sued them in the name of the market and allowed competition to enter. They did this again with the Bell monopoly via price controls. This brought in a ton of competitors and innovators.
@MyDormantSoul Government caused the problems that led to those things in the first place and then forced those groups to bribe it or go under. The lust for power is inherent in government because government is a group of people that claim for themselves the right to use coercive force. When you have a group that claims a special right for itself to use violence that group will attract the kind of scum that are willing to use violence to force others to think and act as they want them to.
@DeathTax101 Stefan says that basically it's wrong to appeal to the government (the parent) about the actions of corporations (the older, abusive sibling) when the parent is the one responsible for the abusive sibling. But the fact is that corporations have bought all the politicians (or most of 'em)--so the model doesn't work.
You can't say corporations play the role of older siblings when they rule over the parents. The model doesn't work in today's political landscape.
@therealcharismatron I don't know... some older siblings rule over their parents quite well in families! But seriously, this idea is new to me and I'm having trouble understanding how corporations fit into this model as well.
@therealcharismatron "The parent-as-government / corporations as elder sibling theory is bunk in a world where corporations own politicians. Sorry--it's crap."
That's not an argument or even a remotely rational response. All you've said is "that's bunk and crap"; nothing more. If you feel that's al that is required then you won't complain when people tell YOU you're talking crap, right?
@therealcharismatron - certainly he follows the family relationship quite strongly but don't throw out the baby with the bath water. We get to choose which we accept and wich we rejust. I don't agree that this makes the entire conversation 'bunk'.
@thefarcanalian I concur--it's a valuable conversation. It helps to divide what's useful to discuss and what's not regarding the subject at hand. The theory as it is applied here in relation to OWS is not useful, but it does have it's merits. It is, after all, a very old and well-worn idea. It just doesn't work the way he would like it to with OWS.
No but I think Adam really has a good point here. Children are the reward in and of themselves. There is no need for any exchange beyond that because what you get is a continuation of your family, grandchildren and so on. When you decide to have kids, you agree to the exchange.
Unfortunately too many people think of children as some sort of burden, so they can't understand why they should take care of their own child without expecting anything "back".
It was not so much deregulation that caused the fanatical problem. It was the moral hazard. No civil, criminal, financial penalties for those resposible.
The differences in penalties between white collar crime and blue collar crime are amazingly skewed. If I steal $100,000 from a bank at gunpoint I'll face years in prison. If I embezzle $100,000 from a bank I'll spend a few months.
That is if you can afford justice. If you have money and can afford justice your far more likely to walk.
I don't want to live in Stefan's reality where marriage, getting kids and bring them up are considered socialism.
I'm 100% egoist. Everything I do is out of genuine selfishness. Including getting a wife, have kids with her and bring our kids up.
I do believe though, there are many people who are starting families because they think it's an obligation, nationalist for instance: all for your country and that shit, but to claim family is an a priori example of socialism is moronically immature.
NoGovtFreeMarked 2 months ago
@NoGovtFreeMarked Parents take care of children and don't get anything material in return, at least not until maybe later on in life. That does in some way resemble socialism. Redistributing wealth. I feel human nature is selfish but some are capable of helping someone without getting anything in return.
TSMPimpDaddyPain 2 months ago
Stef, I just imagined you driving your neighbor to the dentist while he sits nervously in the back seat.
LastStand2010 4 months ago
What an amusing load of stupidity. You speak as if gender roles and their attendant qualities are programmed into your neurological network at birth and not learned from environmental positive and negative accumulations. I like how you'll let your daughter break her neck on the stairs, consider yourself a bad parent for not providing her healthcare, and don't consider yourself a bad neighbour for letting a neighbour perish. Keep peddling that religion of yours; you're unravelling it very nicely.
LivingIsEmpathy 4 months ago
@LivingIsEmpathy "You speak as if gender roles and their attendant qualities are programmed into your neurological network at birth and not learned from environmental positive and negative accumulations."
The average male and female brains are quite different in morphologies, and have different patterns of intelligence. There is much evidence to support the idea that our cognitive capacity and behavioural patterns are genetically influenced.
Not everyone is born equal.
cincofone 4 months ago
@cincofone Where is the evidence that this different morphology produces different gender roles?
LivingIsEmpathy 4 months ago
@LivingIsEmpathy Well your brain morphology has a massive impact on your behaviour and cognitive ability, and the average male and average females brains are quite different and makes them more suited to specific tasks (men tend to be better with spacial thinking, women tend to have better verbal skills, for instance) so they take on different average roles and skill sets. Not all women are the average woman and not all men are the average man, so there are exceptions.
cincofone 4 months ago
@LivingIsEmpathy If you don't think certain elements of the gender roles are predisposed, then how would you account for transgender people? Do they just make a concious decision to adopt the opposite gender or were they born that way? I'd side with the latter.
cincofone 4 months ago
@cincofone No, no. I didn't say that. I said gender ROLES.
LivingIsEmpathy 4 months ago
Why, Stefan, do you only ever address Socialism in an Authoritarian context and never seem to mention Social Anarchism?
madhillick 4 months ago
My only criticism of the new format is that it's too short. We need more Stef/Adam action in these troubled times. :)
blapgatify 4 months ago
Getting fed up with political action is what brought me to anarchism, the philosophy is what kept me there.
rockstarofredondo 4 months ago
Impeaching a president WITH THE INTENT OF HAVING NO RULER can be an anarchical statement. However, any government president is VERY likely to be a statist, even the one that follows. Replacing one statist with another isn't much progress, but no one can argue that 4 years of putting Ron Paul's ideas and policies into action would be worse than 4 years of Obama.
RodCornholio 4 months ago
@RodCornholio
100% Agree with you there:
Impeaching a president WITH THE INTENT OF HAVING NO RULER
Dollius 4 months ago 2
Was this broadcast on RT America?
disinpho 4 months ago
You pretty much ripped this mom/dad paradigm stuff verbatim directly from larken Rose without credit. In fact Im reading his book that predates stef in which I recognize a lot of Stefs philosophy but never hear him giving credit...
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wowow !!!!!!!! awesome video thank you - Adam and Stefan are two brilliant minds! :D
bestonlineguide 4 months ago
Im not here to start an argument, im curious.
i was under the assumption that Our economy tanked because of some deregulation, allowing banks to make riskier moves, playing with money they shouldnt have, which eventually went bust.... what am i missing? what (else) happened and where can i learn about it?
anonforuz 4 months ago
@anonforuz Youtube The Crisis of Credit Visualized
oucanemailme 4 months ago
@anonforuz The banks made loans that they knew were non-repayable. They essentially loaned out to people who would not have normally gotten it, this is what they refer to as "deregulation". But that's being deceitful, the real reaosn for this is governments meddling in the free markets because government guaranteed the loans given to the people, so banks said "Hey, fuck it - let's just give loans to EVERYBODY cuz the government will pay us back if they person can't" And so they did.
zdrux 4 months ago
@anonforuz Also, have a search for "Milton Friedman" on youtube if you want a crash course in why "deregulating" isn't such a bad thing, because then banks and corporations are on their own.. no more bailouts, and they won't go around spending everybody's money if they know they won't get bailed out. Also look up "Peter Schiff"
zdrux 4 months ago
@zdrux thank you very much
anonforuz 4 months ago
@anonforuz I suggest checking out mises.org
fleskebille 4 months ago
I recommend a smaller monitor. His impressive noggin looks too ominously large, looming it is a la 1984.
bdmenne 4 months ago
@bdmenne you are right. and i think he should send that old ugly monitor straigtht to my home address :)
Kpa1983 4 months ago
YOU'RE BACK!!!! Great to see you ADAM!!
bdmenne 4 months ago
adam is not with RT anymore?
Chriznak 4 months ago
also considering that model.
i was raised by a Single Father. What position would i be expected to lean towards?
anonforuz 4 months ago
"all people who have studied the matter in any rational detail"
how would i go about studying this?
anonforuz 4 months ago
I can pinpoint this even more..I was raised by just a mother but I had a strong Godly influence..it is about being led by wisdom and strength or emotions. Women are generally led by emotions and feel..men not so much.
giddymoon 4 months ago
Adam Kokesh. You must ask me for permission to do that. If you dont ask or you disobey mi command, you are going to hell for million years for tortments before my eyes. Remember me.
qedisk 4 months ago
Also funnily enough, I actually think stef is right about his ideas about family. The feeling I get when I feel the effects of stupid government policies affecting me negatively is exactly the same as the feeling I used to get when stupid parenting affected me badly. But in a way this parenting model has pushed me more towards free market anti-statism because I saw through it then and I see through it now.
sharperguy 4 months ago
The family is free, but not a market in a real sense. Of course it involves action and exchange, but there is no currency so economic calculation doesn't take place in the same way as in a real market. Not that it's a problem but I think Adam is mixing up volantarism with markets in general.
sharperguy 4 months ago
Adam Kokesh.. kinda seemed wore out their toward the end. Like.. "I'm just tired of all this stupidity and bs"
MRSketch09 4 months ago
The only solution to the State is educating the people. I'd say political action does accomplish that to some degree. Just look at the massive amounts of people Ron Paul has turned to libertarianism and even anarcho-capitalism (I being one of the examples of the latter). I think impeachment would be a great idea, not because it would be successful (I seriously doubt it would), but because it would expose people to a different mindset --- doubt rather than trust of the State.
RKAddict101 4 months ago
Fantastic discussion! Perhaps I've been living in a bubble, but its the first time I've heard the discussion of mother vs father politics in such clear and relative terms, as it concerns politics today. Thanks Stef!
PCMontreal 4 months ago
I consider myself a hardcore anarcho capitalist. I do not want to have anything at all to do with violent, coercive people. That being said, i'll take what ever victories for freedom I can get.
nicademus1974 4 months ago
Very interesting points about the family. In fact, Marx explicitly stated that he modeled the communist idea after the desire to turn the world into one big family. I guess he didn't realize that he was laying the foundation for a very abusive family.
MigDanskeren 4 months ago
Immediate family, extended family, close friends, neighbours, community, associates... It's not black and white folks. Just as to care about other people and place them before profit and property laws is not statism or communism or maternal. To me it is very very clear that we are a society and closing ourselves off from that does not empower us, but leaves us more vulnerable to a subversive state.
MetaReaLizard 4 months ago
Wow, the new show format is a bit of a down grade. Bummer. :(
Textra1 4 months ago
You never know what might come next. I think it was Dough Casey who said:The romans had emperor Tiberius and when thought it could not get any worse they got Cailugula and then Nero and a civil war.
modelmark 4 months ago
the new format of avtm is so much better... on rt it was always a rush through because of the lack of time
infokriegerBerlin 4 months ago
@superuser6
The dude's a US veteran.
SleepDirtyJazzySet 4 months ago 7
I have been hard on Stef lately, but this time I appreciate and agree with his views, almost completely. I believe this subject matter was met with more of an open mind and realistic responses. Just to be fair and balanced with my comment offerings, lol.
wyknot100 4 months ago
I really don't understand this Kokesh guy. His entire worldview seems to be a mess of misguidedness and contradiction, with the occasional sane argument (directly taken from stef, with him seemingly barely understanding it) added.
He was a marine - i.e., one of the state's gun-wielding enforcement agents, and NAP violator extraordinaire, and doesn't seem at all ashamed by it, which alone means he lacks even basic understanding of the ideals he is trying to present himself as a public voice of.
ingyinginging 4 months ago
@ingyinginging
Perhaps he became more of an anarchist after serving in the military. (after his arm tattoo atleast) Stefan wasn't an anarchist his whole life. And the suggestion of holding war criminals (the current US pres) accountable for their crimes (atleast impeached) might be statist simply because it involves political action, although i think Adam was asking if it's moral; i agree with Stef and him that it is.
SleepDirtyJazzySet 4 months ago
@ingyinginging I know a ton of jarheads like Adam, when I was in the army. They get a little tiny bit knowledge, with positive reinforcement, then think they know it all. Like training a dog. That is how they are trained.
Adam is total douche bag. And a closet case statist.
The fact that he wants to "impeach Obama" said it all.
Ignore the fact that it will cause a power vacuum, and put another statist in place (i.e. Republican) who openly will go to war with Iran.
Dollius 4 months ago
@Dollius
Impeaching a president WITH THE INTENT OF HAVING NO RULER
Adam should have made that clear if that was his intent, but it wasn't. Guys like him are doing it for the attention and the power they had when they were in the field. Also it makes him more interesting at parties, so he can argue and fight another day.
I am not proud what of what I did, and will never wear my "dress blues." Even though I love and respect my brothers, I still wouldn't proudly parade my past (like Adam does).
Dollius 4 months ago
It pleases me to see somebody using CopyLeft instead of CreativeCommons etc..etc.
DackIsBack 4 months ago
hmmm I find this video boring. Maybe its my mood. Maybe its the round about way they dance around the reality that statism is a scam used to enslave most of its members...Maybe its the fact that the govern as "family" concept was discussed by my classmates back in the 80's...
JonathanSeagullUtube 4 months ago
/watch?v=hWDItzJzBmw
Professoranton 4 months ago
stefbot is a self lusting douche
PontifexMagnanimous 4 months ago
No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as a manor of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
ThePositiveAussie 4 months ago
@ThePositiveAussie that was cute.. but on another level.. I am my own.. I am an island
PontifexMagnanimous 4 months ago
@PontifexMagnanimous
Say what you like. With out others you would be long since dead and forgotten.
ThePositiveAussie 4 months ago
Why do we have to pay for living on a planet that we have been born on? Strange system.
judithnarz 4 months ago
Corporations don't own us. Money does. Stop analyzing in terms of money.
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@JakobFe. I watched Stefan's 9 min video on the topic before he went on Adam's show. Made a lot of sense to me.
1977Melville 4 months ago
The lighting makes him look like Lennin.
Robinsonero 4 months ago
There are HUGE reasons why people are Con or Lib. Geographical for one, all over the world! North is generally C. and south Lib. Having to do with Industry vs. AG. You may conform or rebel against your parents beliefs. Time periods and pendulum swings. I was a liberal in the 70's when young and it made sense, civil, womens rights etc, now not, because now it doesnt make sense. Prosperity , people are generous, in hardship not. This mommy/daddy shit is a load of tripe. Sorry, you can do better.
SonjaSmith 4 months ago
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pipobun 4 months ago
@pipobun EU is not a country but a false construct. In the countries of Europe north and south are generally of opposite political ideologies. The industrial north of Spain (catalunya and Basque) are almost anarchist (even fought for it during the civil war), the poor AG south nearly communist. Same with Italy, and as far as I know, most countries follow this trend. I cant speak for Canada, is that a country? Never heard of it.
SonjaSmith 4 months ago
@SonjaSmith im really curious then how does scandinavia and finland fit into this ? and spanish "anarchism" is actually communism...
pipobun 4 months ago
@pipobun I'm not sure, why not tell me? I dont know the geo of the Countries of Scandanavia. Mostly spent time in the Med and Africa in that region of the world. But I can say,Catalan anarchism was NOT communism.
SonjaSmith 4 months ago
@SonjaSmith democratic workers' syndicates? communism all the way if u ask me ... scandinavia and finland are the most socialist in the whole socialist EU...
pipobun 4 months ago
@pipobun True, and scando's are the happiest people in the world by Forbes statistics. Others say people who live close to beaches. I dont know their N/S political stats, if there are any. Perhaps Socialism really is the way to go!
SonjaSmith 4 months ago
Impeachment at this point is ridiculous, time and financially consuming. If Bush never got impeached , neither will Obama. I'm not a huge fan of this latest Mommy/Daddy/sibling stuff either. It borders on pseudo psychology and I believe their are better arguments against statism than this type of hocus pocus. The young are typically liberal, they have not had the chance to earn or learn what being TAXED is about. Older, Business people are conservative because they know they mostly get screwed
SonjaSmith 4 months ago
@Lechteron I don't feel that either Adam or Steph would disagree with that statement
confusedirishman 4 months ago
don't vote right and left vote libertarian vote up vote Ron Paul or Gary Jonson >.> just vote Ron Paul
libertarianwarbook 4 months ago
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make the kids work for there room and food as payment for living? or trade!
libertarianwarbook 4 months ago
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libertarianwarbook 4 months ago
Could be attempting to impeach Obama results in a more hawkish right winger being elected which brings about war a bloody with Iran. That's the thing with politics, you can't predict the outcomes, often they're opposite your intentions.
ascii7085 4 months ago
@ascii7085
Yes it would :(
The Republicans are very open about declaring war in Iran
Dollius 4 months ago
Impeaching Obama might result in net good, but that doesn't mean it was worth the time and resources and energy. Would be more productive to think about solutions that circumvent the state rather than play wack-a-mole imo.
alaw911 4 months ago 29
@alaw911
Good thought. What is your plan?
waveoflight 4 months ago
@waveoflight I guess my plan is just to try to live as well as I can. I think speculating against government misallocations is a good thing to do, if you have spare money. I'm getting interested in raw foods too ("coincidentally", avoiding the foods that the government is most associated with happens to be really healthy for you). I think Bitcoin and seasteading are good ideas.
Who knows, but I think even a random dart is better than engaging the state (the dart at least has a chance).
alaw911 4 months ago
@alaw911 Very good. Adding you. ;)
rockstarofredondo 4 months ago
I like Adam but he really can't let go of the idea that political action is the way to achieve freedom, can he? I suppose it would mean having to do a show with far fewer viewers...
Deathinmusic 4 months ago
@WorthlessCurrency Adam was kicked off RT after a slip-up in one program where he advocated sending money to the Ron Paul campaign. Which is a big no-no because RT, being a foreign corporation, is barred from advocating for any candidate.
An unfortunate temporary set-back for Adam but I think in the long run he'll be better off for it.
scottbieser 4 months ago
Lol what is adam's fetish with steph... just look AT ThE SUGGestions SECTion
deshaebeasley 4 months ago
What happened to the RT show?
Azmarith 4 months ago
adam has some great guests on. why the fuck he bothers with loons like Alex Jones is beyond me.
lockwoodisafaggot 4 months ago
Stefan o.O /sigh
/yawn
Louloe 4 months ago
"Wildflowers survive where soils are harsh; avoiding alligator shoes and careless hearts"
~~cc
carefulcarpenter 4 months ago
and you can shove your hit up your arse... i get hassle ... you can be you do... you closet homo...
ACULTURE0 4 months ago
Egoist... did you see the first minuet of this video...
Someone put this man down and save us from this aboration...
ACULTURE0 4 months ago
@ACULTURE0
Adam = Douchbag
Dollius 4 months ago
why go so far as to comodify family relations?
bergweg 4 months ago
nice illuminati symbolism at the beginning with ur hands there
bluefly28 4 months ago
did adam get kicked off RT for some reason?
WorthlessCurrency 4 months ago
@WorthlessCurrency probably because he is getting delusional like stefan. the world is not black and white like anarchism is trying to portray. they are playing with fire but like all children they don't see the harm until their arm or leg is busted.
erdal0 4 months ago
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akpiano27 4 months ago
@erdal0 could you be a little more specific? a world of black and white seems more like right now with the state having the sole authority to exercise involuntarism. besides, you seem to be hinting that morality is malleable which is pure silliness. the playing with fire thing totally went over my head.
WorthlessCurrency 4 months ago
@WorthlessCurrency criminals making their own armies?
erdal0 4 months ago
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Children have no concept of economics, let alone the free market. Let alone the cultural norms and expectations they were born into. I guess Chinese children lust for labor camps because they were raised by Chinese parents. Utter nonsense.
Yet another made up bunch of mumbo-jumbo brought to you by KGB radio. Someone please point me to the psychological studies / literature these two are using to prop up their argument.
DrDissent 4 months ago
@DrDissent see the description
stefbot 4 months ago 25
@stefbot Thank you, I just purchased the Kindle edition for $2. With a price like that I can only assume the free market has correctly determined the value of this book. Naturally, Ill have to read it before I comment further.
Just curious, do you buy into any other quasi-social theories? Say for example, are homosexuals raised by their parents to be gay?
DrDissent 4 months ago
@DrDissent What is so controversial about ideas like, if a child is raised in violence they will become violent or accept violence as a norm, or that if a child is raised in a matriarchal or patriarchal family system that as adults they will have an affinity for such a system?
regresseur 4 months ago
@regresseur Like Mark Twin pointed out, there are "Lies, damned lies, and statistics". There is nothing really wrong with the idea, but people are INDIVIDUALS not statistical probabilities. Sure statistically, children raised in violent situations often exhibit violence, but not always. Not even close to always.
Like Stef has often pointed out TRUTH HAS TO BE UNIVERSAL. If you can find just 1 person that does fit the statistic, you clearly have a problem with your hypothesis. People are complex
DrDissent 4 months ago
@DrDissent
1.
I didn't say anything about statistics. I presented an idea - you either agree or disagree. Conveniently you do both in, "nothing really wrong with the idea," followed by, "often exhibit violence, but not always. Not even close to always." And you blatantly contradict yourself in, "often... " then, "Not even close to always." The bottom line here is that you don't want to accept the extremely high correlation between abuse, and dysfunctional behavior and pathology.
regresseur 4 months ago
@regresseur Im sorry youre having trouble with the English language. There is nothing contradictory in saying something often occurs, but at the same time is far from always. 67% for example.
The bottom line here is Im not about to accept the idea that abuse and dysfunctional behavior have much of anything to do with why people accept the idea of Governments, let alone, political persuasions. The science Ive seen doesnt support it, but its a nice story that sounds plausible.
DrDissent 4 months ago
@DrDissent
2.
Your word gamery aside, Stefan is not a god and he's not going to swoop down and protect you, especially when you conflate shit that is totally unrelated like you did here in the 2nd half of your post. When there's a near 100% correlation between x and y we don't then conclude that x has nothing to do with y, as that would be completely retarded.
regresseur 4 months ago
@regresseur Next to you, hes defiantly Godlike. I challenged the evidence and asked for a source. Id imagine an intelligent puts videos up to be challenged, not so a bunch of groupies can roll past and blindly agree. He provided me with a link to a book. I purchased the book and will see where it leads me. Its really as simple as that.
PS When it comes to enormous complexity of human behavior pinning your conclusions on singular correlation often leads to false conclusions.
DrDissent 4 months ago
@DrDissent "He provided me with a link to a book. I purchased the book and will see where it leads me."
Good luck, Doctor...LOL
YJohannM 4 months ago
@YJohannM My working theory at the moment stems from Freud's Oedipus complex. Freud theorized we all want to have sex with our mothers (secretly of course)... maybe that's why we all enjoy being fucked by the Government?
DrDissent 4 months ago
@DrDissent Psychologist Julian Jaynes' book " The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" has very interesting theories. The human physical brain is still evolving. A major event in this evolution took place less than 10,000 years ago -- becoming conscious of the fact that we are conscious animals. We have a long way to go in geologic time to evolve away from lower violent mammals. Ethics has only been around a few thousand years at most.
YJohannM 4 months ago
@DrDissent Who said anything about children's concepts of economics? They are talking about the mental framework which emotionally and psychologically influences people to want a big central figure of one type or the other to lead, or to regulate one thing or the other.
batmanthe 4 months ago
@batmanthe Maybe people are conditioned to want a hero. I have no clear scientific studies to back that up, but I did find a book online that said so. Therefore, I blame the Walt Disney company along with the Cartoon Network for producing so many stories containing bad guys and a hero. Clearly *cough cough* this has a psychological impact and sets up a framework for the belief politicians will fill the roll of the hero in adulthood and save us from our own bad decisions.
DrDissent 4 months ago
@DrDissent You seem to need some therapy.
carefulcarpenter 4 months ago
@carefulcarpenter It that your professional internet opinion or were you simply trying really hard to come up with something intelligent to say? Try a little harder, around these parts asinine comments wont raise your stock price one cent.
DrDissent 4 months ago
@DrDissent Mostly a gut feeling. When I read the words on YT I use my senses to feel what is behind the comments that I read. We all can use some therapy, especially when anger, contempt, or labeling becomes a mask for some repressed condition. Projection becomes a tell-tale sign of deeper imbalance. One can read about observations that Carl Jung made before WWII that shed light on this.
In peace and respect.
carefulcarpenter 4 months ago
@carefulcarpenter Thats a fascinating approach that I'd guess has led you to many, many failures in your decisions making.
I have no contempt for anything in this video other than the interpretation of the so called "evidence" being passed off as factual and scientifically sound.
DrDissent 4 months ago
@DrDissent I can assume you have not viewed my channel.
carefulcarpenter 4 months ago
@DrDissent Would you agree that children don't have some innate sense of fairness that they are born with? What I mean, is do you not believe that people are born basically good? Kids don't start out broken, barring some serious chemical imbalances... they are blank slates, and even within some rather wretched environments, people have been known to rise up very quickly. People make something out of nothing all the time.
getsetrecords 4 months ago
parent child is NOTHING like free market, the child has no bargaining power and was forced into the dealing with its parents. it cannot renegotiate its contract and has nothing of value to add. cuddles pfff. go tell your boss if he pays you more you will give him more cuddles. these analogies are getting out of hand and out of context
hez1919 4 months ago
sick of hearing you guys trash the people who are out protesting . so what if they are clueless, at least they arent just sitting around talking about what would be better. they know something is wrong and they want it changed. you guys figured out WHAT is wrong but do nothing about it other than trash talk others for NOT knowing what YOU know. sad and pathetic
hez1919 4 months ago
@hez1919
Relax. This OWS movement should welcome criticism. They aren't going to accomplish anything of worth if they can't take any criticism or suggestions. Just being mad isn't going to change anything. You guys need ideas. How exactly are you going to appeal to government to fix the problems with more regulations or taxes on the rich or whatever other fool-hardy ideas you have, if the government is the enabler of these problems? They favored the crooks, and they bailed out the crooks.
doodofdoods 4 months ago
@doodofdoods whoa buddy chill. i didnt even say i supported them, just tired of hearing those not doing things to make change attack those who are doing thins for change. the criticizm stef is offering is holier than thou and not intended to educate. they are not MY ideas. please stop ad hominem attacks as i have NOT posted my beliefs or stance on the subject so for you to include me with the protestors is foolish
hez1919 4 months ago
@hez1919
ad hominem? I did not attack you, I assumed you were in favor of OWS based on your comment. You at least favor them going out and doing something rather than "sitting around talking", right? but exactly are the protesters doing except for sitting around talking? I mean it's not like the protest is going to accomplish anything of significance. The greatest thing that could be accomplished is intelligent conversation amongst the protesters. Solutions won't come from the ignorant.
doodofdoods 4 months ago
@hez1919 They do nothing? How can you possible say that? Adam was right there on the scene and does this show. Stephan has his great web site and videos which educate that masses.
What have YOU done?
StepUPNJ 4 months ago
@StepUPNJ i see that education is lost upon you. you should have said "how can you possiblY say that " and "videos which educate THE masses"...how dare you come at me with this what have you done crap, stef himself says "i have no solutions" he only knows its broken and has no way to fix it, so why follow him and attack the protestors for not knowing how to fix the problem when your guru doesnt have any better ides, only a better target
hez1919 4 months ago
@StepUPNJ so stef says the protests are bad and pointless yet adam was right there throwing out his "voice" so which is it then? are you supposed to protest or not? your gurus cannot even become unanimous on what to do right now so how are the millions who are ACTUALLY doing stuff supposed to agree. what these protests lack is LEADERSHIP not scathing retractions from the people who should be leading
hez1919 4 months ago
@hez1919 I know there are a lot of libertarians , including me going out to these protests but mainly not to protest but to educate those who know there is something wrong but don't have direction.. What good does the protesting do if there are a million differing opinions and the most prominent voices are all calling for more government? We only make THEIR numbers look bigger. The End the Fed protests going on those are at least a good alternative where the message is clear.
batmanthe 4 months ago
@batmanthe ok so your view is to attack the state however you believe attacking the federal reserve is better, let me help you understand, the federal reserve is a PRIVATE company, so to attack a private company when your target is the state is just as foolish as you say the protestors are acting.
hez1919 4 months ago
@hez1919 No the Federal Reserve is a unique entity given a sort of corporate monopoly greater than all the rest. The fact that it's private is meaningless when all of it's protections are from the guns of the state. Corporations are also not real private entities because of the state protectionism but they are at least partially earning their money from voluntary interactions in the market. Attacking the Federal Reserve is to attack the entire system at it's foundation.
batmanthe 4 months ago
@batmanthe I don't believe in the protections given to Corporations. I would call for the ending of their subsidies and protections; not regulations which only distort the market and which are used to gain the government more power and the largest corporations themselves benefit also because they know how to game the system.
batmanthe 4 months ago
@batmanthe interesting so when a business pays the govt to make laws making that the only business that can do something, and then consumers buy the product because there is no choice you feel that this is "voluntary" market interaction? there are people with more money than america, individuals, who own the corporations and thereby the govts, the fed is just a part of that game. they are not afraid of the people, in fact they want this to get out of hand so they can arrest you
hez1919 4 months ago
@JakobFe It is difficult to deny when one looks at the facts and the science behind it. People are scared to go where their beliefs may be changed.
KancerKowboy 4 months ago
@JakobFe i do. Stefan seems someone who read something interesting and grab that as the absolut true.
sniperfolder 4 months ago
I knew Adam would start his own cast after after RT. He runs a great show
DeathTax101 4 months ago
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resource based economy time!
KillerWhaleSFl 4 months ago
The parent-as-government / corporations as elder sibling theory is bunk in a world where corporations own politicians. Sorry--it's crap.
therealcharismatron 4 months ago
@therealcharismatron Corporations don't own politicians. The fact of the matter is is that they both use each other to screw the rest of us.
Lechteron 4 months ago 17
@Lechteron I beg to differ as not all politicians are out to ruin people's lives. There is a distinct difference between those that are bought (the majority) like Obama, and the others (the minority) like Bernie Sanders. The bought politicians (the majority) do the bidding of the government far more frequently than corporations doing what the government tells them to do. Folks like Bernie Sanders resist corporate influence over government policy while trying to protect people's interests.
therealcharismatron 4 months ago
@therealcharismatron I only know of one guy that doesn't get lobbyists to bribe him and that's Ron Paul. The rest, even his son, aren't to be trusted.
Lechteron 4 months ago
@Lechteron But not all corporations are in bed with government. We should distiguish politican corporatists from market capitalists.
joepeeler34 4 months ago
@Lechteron No actually the corporations own the politicians. If their was no rewards to the politicians for backstabbing the people then it is unlikely they will be bothered to do so.
akscldn 4 months ago
@akscldn Mhm. But who creates the legal fiction known as corporations? Politicians do. Who creates the system of regulations and taxes and what ever else that makes it so that the only way to get ahead is by bribing politicians? The politicians do. It's not the fault of business that we live in a fascist dictatorship. The politicians created the environment that brings corporations about and forces them to make bribes to get ahead. Lord Acton was right, my friend.
Lechteron 4 months ago
@akscldn Politicians stab you in the back because they're evil. They're corrupted by power. Few are the men who can resist the call of the One Ring. The real solution is to throw the ring of power in to the hell fire of Mt. Doom where it ultimately belongs. That's what will solve the problems.
Lechteron 4 months ago
@akscldn
Can you tell the difference between red balls, green balls and balls? If corporations own politicians, then it would take $20 to own a politican, because that is all it takes to create a corporation.
utubehayter 4 months ago
@Lechteron I believe we do a good job of screwing each other. The elite simply profit from our folly and ignorance.
carefulcarpenter 4 months ago
@carefulcarpenter That's fair enough. People act out of self-interest. The solution seems to be to remove the system that makes the best way of achieving your self-interest happen off the backs of others. That's not a system the corporations created but one that they take advantage of because self-interest is human nature; we are innately individualistic after all. That system is created by the state and politicians.
Lechteron 4 months ago
@Lechteron When you try to cram individualistic creatures into collectivism they will use, harm, and kill each other to get ahead. If you embrace individualism in society than both the individualistic and social nature of man can triumph and we can reach a golden age so to speak.
Lechteron 4 months ago
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carefulcarpenter 4 months ago
@Lechteron In most cases, we become a product of our environment. It serves self-interest if your neighbors are doing well. What destroys, eventually, is the power groups have to sway a person towards the POWER HIERARCHY and away from the TRUTH HIERARCHY. Older sibling, with the power to build a club (for we know from history, the first-born has significant advantages over the latter comers), uses the club to socio-political advantage. CLUB being a word with multi-level meaning.
carefulcarpenter 4 months ago
@Lechteron govt is too big in some places and too small in others. Yes the ultra rich DO own politicians. Yes they use eachother to screw us, but it STARTS with the industrialists. Its the ultra rich own the media, that put flouride in our water, that genetically alter our food. Its the corporations that are going into Greece and buying off all their government assets.
MyDormantSoul 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul Wrong. Government is too big in ALL areas. Any use of coercive force is morally unacceptable and that's what government is, a group of people that claim for themselves the right to use coercive force. They set up the systems and conditions that created corporations. There's nothing wrong with industry but industry in a fascist regime like the U.S. has to bow to it's masters and pay bribes to stay in business. It's not even really business or government that starts it anyway.
Lechteron 4 months ago
@Lechteron The govt has been getting progressively smaller in some areas and bigger in others. They let the Oligarchy but flouride in our water and put aluminum oxide in all airplane chemtrails. These chemicals rot the brain over periods of time and have no demonstrable benefits. Whos to stop the Oligarchy from purchasing its private army under anarchism? And Stefan's model still employs force. His system ostracizes individuals from society who dont pay insurance companies or break the law.
MyDormantSoul 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul
"Flouride in the water"
oh look its another AJ zombie
ProDCloud 4 months ago
@ProDCloud alex jones is insane. And what? You're saying there isnt flouride in the water? Your saying there isnt horrible consequences from decades and decades of flouride and aluminum oxide consumption?
MyDormantSoul 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul What starts it is the lust for power over our fellow man and an underlying system that puts people with an individualistic nature in to a collectivist setting. People will naturally fight to rise to the top. If we did away with power. If we redistributed that to every one. Freed every one. Let them actually own themselves than people could fulfill both our individualistic and social natures. They'd cease to be in conflict with each other.
Lechteron 4 months ago
@Lechteron We only see this "lust for power" not because its inherent in govt but because the oligarchy has controlled them for years. There have been individual administrations that have stood up for the freemarket like in the early 1900s when the Big 5 studios had a monopoly over the film industry, the govt sued them in the name of the market and allowed competition to enter. They did this again with the Bell monopoly via price controls. This brought in a ton of competitors and innovators.
MyDormantSoul 4 months ago
@MyDormantSoul Government caused the problems that led to those things in the first place and then forced those groups to bribe it or go under. The lust for power is inherent in government because government is a group of people that claim for themselves the right to use coercive force. When you have a group that claims a special right for itself to use violence that group will attract the kind of scum that are willing to use violence to force others to think and act as they want them to.
Lechteron 4 months ago
@therealcharismatron can you elaborate more?
DeathTax101 4 months ago
@DeathTax101 Stefan says that basically it's wrong to appeal to the government (the parent) about the actions of corporations (the older, abusive sibling) when the parent is the one responsible for the abusive sibling. But the fact is that corporations have bought all the politicians (or most of 'em)--so the model doesn't work.
You can't say corporations play the role of older siblings when they rule over the parents. The model doesn't work in today's political landscape.
therealcharismatron 4 months ago
@therealcharismatron I don't know... some older siblings rule over their parents quite well in families! But seriously, this idea is new to me and I'm having trouble understanding how corporations fit into this model as well.
DeathTax101 4 months ago
@therealcharismatron that guy has a really poor model of society.
sniperfolder 4 months ago
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@therealcharismatron "The parent-as-government / corporations as elder sibling theory is bunk in a world where corporations own politicians. Sorry--it's crap."
That's not an argument or even a remotely rational response. All you've said is "that's bunk and crap"; nothing more. If you feel that's al that is required then you won't complain when people tell YOU you're talking crap, right?
shlockofgod 4 months ago
@therealcharismatron - certainly he follows the family relationship quite strongly but don't throw out the baby with the bath water. We get to choose which we accept and wich we rejust. I don't agree that this makes the entire conversation 'bunk'.
thefarcanalian 4 months ago
@thefarcanalian I concur--it's a valuable conversation. It helps to divide what's useful to discuss and what's not regarding the subject at hand. The theory as it is applied here in relation to OWS is not useful, but it does have it's merits. It is, after all, a very old and well-worn idea. It just doesn't work the way he would like it to with OWS.
therealcharismatron 4 months ago
Adam more interviewing, less making of your own points, when you have a guest. When you are monologing, fine, but interviewing, not so much.
Just a minor critique..I love what you do.
StepUPNJ 4 months ago 3
No but I think Adam really has a good point here. Children are the reward in and of themselves. There is no need for any exchange beyond that because what you get is a continuation of your family, grandchildren and so on. When you decide to have kids, you agree to the exchange.
Unfortunately too many people think of children as some sort of burden, so they can't understand why they should take care of their own child without expecting anything "back".
Zerafinel 4 months ago
Awesome interview. Adam always seems to ask good questions.
TheStig000 4 months ago
Voluntary interaction does not have to be measured in money.
CurtHowland 4 months ago
It was not so much deregulation that caused the fanatical problem. It was the moral hazard. No civil, criminal, financial penalties for those resposible.
The differences in penalties between white collar crime and blue collar crime are amazingly skewed. If I steal $100,000 from a bank at gunpoint I'll face years in prison. If I embezzle $100,000 from a bank I'll spend a few months.
That is if you can afford justice. If you have money and can afford justice your far more likely to walk.
deadman12078 4 months ago 2