Cause they are puppets who are agitated by NWO lobbies to create tension in the Balkans! G. Soros is one of the people that pays for their propaganda, just that is enough to see who is behind their lies.
(only the ones who bealive that they are descendants of alexander the great [who was by all means macedonian {greek macedonian not slav "macedonian}])
Oh really? You are a mix? hahahaha wake up buddy. Macedonia was a Greek kingdom and everything about it was Greek. Alexander himself bragged about his descent from Hercules and Achilles and even the name Macedonia was Greek. Macedon was a son of Zeus. P.S. ORTHODOXIA is also a Greek word and it comes from the words ORTHOS and DOXA and we gave u Christianity so say a thank you and move on!
@Tihbialdunav we have absolutely no problem with their independence. We simply want them to stop stealing our history and adopting our symbols in an effort to provoke problems and try to steal our lands that alone they can't invade but you know... these days weird things happen when oil and gas is on the table...
@Tihbi no dude.nobody has ever said that the land they live on isnt theirs.
but,they make demonstrations in cities with cloths that say "solun (they refer to thessaloniki) will be ""macedonia"" again " etc. well,..at this point, i think they're way too much independent, don't you think? by the way, when we say that macedonia is greece, we don't refer to fyrom but to the term macedonia and her history. but when you dear bulgarian neighbours say that macedonia is bulgaria, u refer to their lands
"Macedonian" military consists of 8,000 troops and a fleet of eight helicopters. Greece should bomb the hell out of these monkeydonians and give an end to this stupidity...
FYROM is a lie and Macedonia country is a very big lie!!! Please the same Alexander the Great called his self Greek according to ancient writer Plutarhos!!! Irodotus another ancient writer called Macedonia Greece!! And now slavs say that they were here since 2000 before Jesus? ridiculus!
Alexander the Great was born in Greek Macedonia. Before then, before the time of his father, the land was not Greek.
Philip, the father of Alexander, had Greekified Macedonia and so when Alexander was born, he was rightfully Greek. Not simply as being a Greekified Maceodonian, but also by being half Epiriot (Epirus), since his mother is from Epirus.
Macedonians are related to Achaean Greeks and the Achaeans are indeed the original Greek people, but many other people eventually became Greeks
Macedonia was Greek long before Alexander was born, even the name Macedonia is Greek and it's related to Macedon, son of Zeus and Deukalion's daughter! Philip's descent was from Argos thus the Macedonian royal hosue was called Argeads!
I don't doubt what you say but would u mind if I added 1 more thing?
Macedonians were Dorians, just like Spartans.
The Dorians were Greeks.
Of course that the Achaens or better AhE-ee (that's the way it's pronounced) were Greeks but this doesn't mean that Dorians, Aetolians, Ionians etc were not Greeks or have been turned into Greeks (Hellens) at some point.
Watch the video on my channel there is a original copy of Bulgarian archives from 1946 that shows printed order form Stalin all the people in Pirin to be "converted" into "macedonians"!They would take there ID's and change the nationality from bulgarian to macedonian and give them back to their owners.
Good video..nothing but the truth.I'm from Pirin Macedonia district and i can confirmed that my grandfathers were both forced by the communistic party and Moscow to declare themselves as "macedonians". This plan of Tito was sick..good thing it didn't happened.
can't wait! u make great videos and are a true defender of Greek values! Just be careful of the FYROM government don't kidnap you & put you in a mental hospital!
"Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Greece, I should not have come to tell you; but I (Alexander I) am myself a Greek by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery" [Herodotus Book IX ,45,(Kalliopi)]
i had to learn it, u will get an idea in my other videos too. Tito when he left the Soviet block he also tried to get Macedonia but he used another way. He named southern Serbia Macedonia just like the Greek province & tried to make a pseudomacedonian nation based on the Slavic population. These are the people today that try to usurp the Greek history of ancient Macedonia by fixing a gictional nation and all these in order to get more land, the land that hosts the Russian gas pipes! got it?
very informative! i have to do some more homework to fully understand the geo-political/graphical nature of what this is saying! cheers! stalin really wanted to take over greece! and then the meditteranean would have been his!? is that sort of right?
Stalin wanted an exit to the Aegean, so he tried to severe the northern provinces of Greece in order to establish a communist regime, that would be controled by the Soviet block!
nai..alla tha teliwsei auti i istoria...autoi theloun na boun sto NATO giati fovountai min tous katalavoun oi alvanoi...kai den tha boun an emeis den tous afisoume.
u are not Macedonians u are ethnic bulgarians, got it? U are slavs , u have no relation to our ancestors. Krse Misirkov said "We are more bulgarians than the Bulgarians of Bulgaria. The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian". welcome to reality, that's why ur names, language and toponyms are slavic!
as for the 16th ray star, learn that the Greekskew its existence long before the 19th century cause it was a symbol used by all ancient Greeks, what it was discovered in the 19th century is that Macedonians used it also (natural sice they were Greeks). Also learn that FYROM started using or symbol after 1944 not before, when Tito's attempt to ake a pseudomacedonian nation took place. Everything about FYROM shouts for their Bulgarian Origin, starting from VMRO, language, names, culture, toponyms!
When this plan failed, it was Tito in 1944 that tried to make a pseudomacedonian nation based on the Slavs of southern Yugoslavia. Tito changed the name of southern Serbia from Vardarska to Macedonia, copoying the name of the Greek province. With that action, Tito wanted to achieve three things.
Around 1870 Bulgaria tried to annex Macedonia and so VMRO was created, a Bulgarian organisation that was presented as a "macedonian" revolutionary organisation so that the native Macedonians would be tricked and not oppose to it! Shortly after this organisation named the Bulgarians of Macedonia, "macedonians" and started deHellenizing Macedonia. This was done by the massacre of thousands of native Macedonians for the sole reason that they were Greeks!
still i don't see what relates FYROMians to Macedonia, do u think that it has to do with who owns the land? The Turks had it too but they were not Macedonians!
The Macedonian royal house was called "Argeads" or "Temenidae". According to the tradition, the founder of the royal house Perdiccas - even if the name of the founder differs in reference with the ancient source used - along with his brothers, the "Temenidae" came to the place called Macedonia from the Greek city of Argos (southern Greece). These Temenidae were descendants of Heracles, through Temenus, thus they were called also 'Heracleids'.
Alexander the Great speaks in front of the Macedones of his army: "The Macedonians are going to judge your case," he said. "Please state whether you will use your native language before them."
Philotas: "Besides the Macedonians, there are many present who, I think, will find what I am going to say easier to understand if I use the language you yourself have been using, your purpose, I believe, being only to enable more people to understand you."
who says that? where is the citation? who? Polybius? Plutarch? Herodotus? who? i am clear! as u see i give citations so that everyone knows that what i am writing really exists.......
and as i told u all Greek tribes had their own dialect, just like in Spain there are discrepancies from place to place, even today in Greece there are many dialects in some places
"How highly should we honour the Macedonians, who for the greater part of their lives never cease from fighting with the barbarians for the sake of the security of Greece? For who is not aware that Greece would have constantly stood in the greater danger, had we not been fenced by the Macedonians and the honorable ambition of their kings?" The Histories of Polybius, IX, 35, 2
"... all men will be grateful to you: the Hellenes for your kindness to them and the rest of the nations, if by your hands they are delivered from barbaric despotism and are brought under the protection of Hellas". Isocrates, To Philip, 154
"It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom, to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race". Isocrates, To Philip, 127
"Argos is the land of your fathers". Isocrates, To Philip, XII, 32
i am still waiting for u to show me how the bulgarians of FYROM are related to Macedonia...............maybe it's some kind of magic picture that we don't see? Maybe the Macedonians spread the Greek culture and not theirs, for fun so that the nexr generations are confused.......
in reply to ur question. Before Philippos, Greece was not a unified state, in order to unite them he had to fight those who did not agreed! The same happened with Attila, Jenghis Khan even in the American civil war when the South wanted independence
THE STATE u say repubilc of Macedonia has only a small part of the ancient land, the majority of its land was part of Paeonia. Only Pelagonia was part of Macedonia and as u see Pelagonia is also Greek name, there was the city of Hercalea dedicated to the Greek hero Hercules, Alexander's ancestor!
"But Alexander proving himself to be an Argive, he was judged to be a Greek; so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for the first place". Herodotus V, 22, 2 (Loeb, A. D. Godley)
do u know how many times the Greeks faught with each other???? i can't even count! just take a look at every ancient Macedonian name,they are all Greek and of course have no relationto the slavic names of FYROM!
Then the king said: "Do you see how offensive Philotas find even his native language? He alone feels an aversion to learning it. But let him speak as he pleases - only remember he as contemptuous of our way of life as he is of our language".
Philotas is a Greek name and as u see it has no relation to FYROM's slavic names, secondly where is the citation, Third, Ancient Greeks were of many tribes and each one had its own dialect. Dorian, Ionian, Aeolian
"In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mothers side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his fathers side, from Hercules." Velleius Paterculus, Book I
"Three brothers of the lineage of Temenus came as banished men from Argos to Illyria, Gauanes and Aeropos and Perdiccas". Herodotus VIII, 137, l (Loeb, A.P. Godley)
"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos" Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)
A very very good video. Fyrom possesses, 71% of the historical Macedonian territory, which is inhabited by Greek Macedonians many of hem forced to be dishellenized by the communist regime. Bulgaria occupies nowadays 11% of the Macedonian territory and the Albanians 1%. And these territories are claimed by Hellenes as per international laws!
Poly dynata ta epiheirimata kai i oli parousiasi, alla dystyhws ta meiwneis kai tous kaneis apo epitithemenous thymata, me to ta vazeis ta maimoudakia kai ta alla Myasseconia klp. DENB CHREIAZONTAI auta, kopseta, kia tha eheis ena prwtis taxews dynato epiheirimatiko vinteo. Kai ta liontaria den ta cheriazesai episis, oi boulgaroi ta ehoun gia dika tou sybola kia tous ta piran oi skopianoi, den ta hreiazomaste. Vale ton Erakli kalitera na pnigei ena liontari kai teleiwsame.
FYROM's land is called Vardarska and belongs to Serbia! Tito renamed it in order to weaken Serbia, prevent Bulgaria from annexing it with the bulgarians that lived there and advance aspirations against the Greek province of Macedonia!
sorry to say that , "Krissan2112" , but all FYROM nad Bulgary have Greek lands and history......"skopije" was the GREEK city of SCOUPOI....and Ohris was GREEK lake....also Bulgary's lands like NEKROPOLIS and FILIPPOPOLIS are Greek lands...
Macedonia is Greece FYROM is Bulgaria. Only together as friends Greeks and Bulgarians can destroy this fantasy world of bullshits !!! Greetings from your friends of Bulgaria !
call your self what ever skopian you will never be macedonian just because you live in china dont make you chinese, your true history goes all the way back to russia in1812 when stanlin was killing everyone on the out skirts of russia and every one fled, and till ww2 were never called a macedonia not even as a joke.
"Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Greece, I should not have come to tell you; but I (Alexander I) am myself a Greek by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery" [Herodotus Book IX ,45,(Kalliopi)]
u are bulgarians and u have no relation to our ancestors.... educate urself....
he did not conquer greeks, he united them and he did not fight with greeks dude he faught with Athens, just like spartans and athenians faught each other all the time, does that mean they were not greeks? Romans, egyptians, persians faught each other all the time, does that mean they were not the same people? grow up dude and yes alexander was greek and he was proud for his greek descent from Achilles and Heracles! don't tell me enough about history cause it's our history u steal!
"But Alexander proving himself to be an Argive, he was judged to be a Greek; so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for the first place". [Herodotus V, 22, 2 (Loeb, A. D. Godley)]
u see dude, it does not matter what ur grandparents told u, it's what the ancients said.... MACEDONIA is GREECE
i don't want to take macedonia from inside u, i want to protect my history from u! MACEDON was a son of Zeus dude, when my people lived in Macedonia, ur people were not even in the Balkans, like i told u, u came after my region was under Ottoman occupation.....u are slavs and the majority of u are bulgarians like VMRO!
My grandmother born 1930 has been Macedonian wholke her life...she`s mother born in the 19 century said she was Macedonian whole her life...so the presentation in the video has nothing to do with the reality...Sorry but i am Macedonian i was alway and i`ll alweys be...
my friend, they said they were macedonian because they lived in macedonia just like if u go and live in america, u will call urself American, Greeks, Turks, Jews who lived in macedonia also called themselves macedonians, there is no macedonian nation, ancient macedonians were Greeks!
dude so what if they said it? ancient macedonians were Greeks, ur grandparents were Slavs, do u know how many Greeks say also that they are Macedonians???? facts say that Macedonians were Greeks, in fact the macedonian royal house was from Argos, everything about ancient Macedonia is Greeks. Your grandparents could say whatevr they want but the facts is that are slavs who came when Turks occupied the Balkans, that's wgy u have no historical facts. enjoy!
anyone can say that he is macedonian but facts speak for themselves, u are bulgarians who came to macedonia, the ancient macedonians were Greeks and u have no relation to them, simple as that!
'Alexander was predominantly Greek and definitely NOT an ancestor of contemporary Slavic Macedonians,'
(Alfried Wieczorek, head of the Reiss-Engelhorn Museums of Mannheim.)
SPARTANsenator1 2 months ago
F16 και LOk να πούμε μέσα
ellasAPOEL36 6 months ago
Everybody knows that Macedonia is Greece. So why these gypsies from Skopia dont shut their fucking mouth up
gipas21 8 months ago 4
@gipas21
Cause they are puppets who are agitated by NWO lobbies to create tension in the Balkans! G. Soros is one of the people that pays for their propaganda, just that is enough to see who is behind their lies.
SPARTANsenator1 8 months ago
@gipas21 it aint right to be racist
they aint gypsies
but they still are history stealing bastards
(only the ones who bealive that they are descendants of alexander the great [who was by all means macedonian {greek macedonian not slav "macedonian}])
alexchris32 4 months ago
TI NA MAS POUNE OI BROMOGYFTOI VARDARSKA BANOVINA TO ONOMA TOUS OSO GIA TO TI EINAI OUTE AYTOI DEN KSEROUNE VROMIARIDES
PANAGIOTISTOYOTA 1 year ago
Great video.
ludite12 1 year ago 3
@ludite12
Thank u my friend, be a little patient to watch my new video, i bet u will like it a lot!
SPARTANsenator1 1 year ago
@MacedonXXI
Oh really? You are a mix? hahahaha wake up buddy. Macedonia was a Greek kingdom and everything about it was Greek. Alexander himself bragged about his descent from Hercules and Achilles and even the name Macedonia was Greek. Macedon was a son of Zeus. P.S. ORTHODOXIA is also a Greek word and it comes from the words ORTHOS and DOXA and we gave u Christianity so say a thank you and move on!
SPARTANsenator1 1 year ago 2
@MacedonXXI
HAHAHAHAHA the only pathetic here is you a SLAV who thinks that he is Macedonia. The only occupied Macedonian land is PELAGONIA. Wake up clown!
SPARTANsenator1 1 year ago
skopje or skoupi is from greek word skoupi-dia=
SKOUPIDIA.english is GARBAGE AND THIS IS YOUR NAME GARBAGEDONIA OR SKOYPIDIADONIA
MAKEDONIA IS ONLY ONE AND IS GREEK!
MKDISGREEK 1 year ago 4
Why does FYROM bother you so much? It's a piece of land with people who want to be independent from anyone else. Is that too much to ask?
Tihbialdunav 1 year ago
It is when they copy our historical name and based on that they steal our history and ask for our macedonian province?
SPARTANsenator1 1 year ago
@Tihbialdunav we have absolutely no problem with their independence. We simply want them to stop stealing our history and adopting our symbols in an effort to provoke problems and try to steal our lands that alone they can't invade but you know... these days weird things happen when oil and gas is on the table...
papagamias 1 year ago
@Tihbi no dude.nobody has ever said that the land they live on isnt theirs.
but,they make demonstrations in cities with cloths that say "solun (they refer to thessaloniki) will be ""macedonia"" again " etc. well,..at this point, i think they're way too much independent, don't you think? by the way, when we say that macedonia is greece, we don't refer to fyrom but to the term macedonia and her history. but when you dear bulgarian neighbours say that macedonia is bulgaria, u refer to their lands
Marinemauro 1 year ago
4:08 Ο εικονιζομενος θεος ειναι ο Ποσειδων φιλε μου.
Commentakias 1 year ago
den eipa oti o Dias einai o eikonizomenos......apla evala auti ti fwto pou mou arese!
SPARTANsenator1 1 year ago
"Macedonian" military consists of 8,000 troops and a fleet of eight helicopters. Greece should bomb the hell out of these monkeydonians and give an end to this stupidity...
rodworx 1 year ago
Nice idea but they are Vardarskians not Macedonians!
SPARTANsenator1 1 year ago
FYROM is a lie and Macedonia country is a very big lie!!! Please the same Alexander the Great called his self Greek according to ancient writer Plutarhos!!! Irodotus another ancient writer called Macedonia Greece!! And now slavs say that they were here since 2000 before Jesus? ridiculus!
dimitris804 2 years ago 2
Exactly, real Macedonains are only the Greeks!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Alexander the Great was born in Greek Macedonia. Before then, before the time of his father, the land was not Greek.
Philip, the father of Alexander, had Greekified Macedonia and so when Alexander was born, he was rightfully Greek. Not simply as being a Greekified Maceodonian, but also by being half Epiriot (Epirus), since his mother is from Epirus.
Macedonians are related to Achaean Greeks and the Achaeans are indeed the original Greek people, but many other people eventually became Greeks
Tom101229 1 year ago
Macedonia was Greek long before Alexander was born, even the name Macedonia is Greek and it's related to Macedon, son of Zeus and Deukalion's daughter! Philip's descent was from Argos thus the Macedonian royal hosue was called Argeads!
SPARTANsenator1 1 year ago
The Macedonians never called their land Macedonia. Emathia is the original name of Macedonia by the Macedonian people.
Tom101229 1 year ago
@Tom101229
The nane Emathia still exists today, that was the name before Philippos conquered the rest parts of Macedonia!
SPARTANsenator1 1 year ago
@Tom101229
I don't doubt what you say but would u mind if I added 1 more thing?
Macedonians were Dorians, just like Spartans.
The Dorians were Greeks.
Of course that the Achaens or better AhE-ee (that's the way it's pronounced) were Greeks but this doesn't mean that Dorians, Aetolians, Ionians etc were not Greeks or have been turned into Greeks (Hellens) at some point.
Marinemauro 1 year ago
its hilarious how the FYROMians are trying to steal greek identity and history.
have they got no shame at all?
shouldnt the international community do something about this plagiarism?
gengar77 2 years ago 4
U bet ya
Debulgaro 2 years ago 2
Watch the video on my channel there is a original copy of Bulgarian archives from 1946 that shows printed order form Stalin all the people in Pirin to be "converted" into "macedonians"!They would take there ID's and change the nationality from bulgarian to macedonian and give them back to their owners.
Debulgaro 2 years ago 4
Post your video as a response to mine and i will send it around, ok buddy?
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Good video..nothing but the truth.I'm from Pirin Macedonia district and i can confirmed that my grandfathers were both forced by the communistic party and Moscow to declare themselves as "macedonians". This plan of Tito was sick..good thing it didn't happened.
Debulgaro 2 years ago 4
MONKEYDONIANS ANIMATION
watch?v=NMHk0h2KG3Y
kafriila 2 years ago 4
Αυτο το βιντεο απλα τα λεει ολα.
Στα μουτρα καθε βαρντασκιανου σλαβο βουλγαρου.
darkcheq 2 years ago 6
Έτσι είναι φίλε.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Great video, pity there are no Slavo Bulgar Vardarskans here to see this!
usaqamadeeq 2 years ago 7
facing the truth is hard for them. Wait for my next video with extracts from the Bible about the GREEK identity of Macedonia.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
can't wait! u make great videos and are a true defender of Greek values! Just be careful of the FYROM government don't kidnap you & put you in a mental hospital!
usaqamadeeq 2 years ago 4
hahaha they can try but trust me they will suffer!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
@usaqamadeeq yes
alomnicki 1 year ago
φιλε απλα ΜΠΡΑΒΟ!
πολυ καλη δουλεια...
svsuno 2 years ago 5
φιλε απλα Μπραβο!
πολυ καλη δουλεια...
svsuno 2 years ago 3
***** FYROM's LIES EXPOSED, FYROM's GLOBAL HUMILIATION CONTINUES!!! *****
COPY AND GOOGLE THIS:
"Letter to President Barack Obama" Macedonia-evidence international scholars
And enjoy 335 SCHOLARS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD saying the OBVIOUS TRUTH:
FAKE MACEDONIA = FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA (FYROM)
REAL MACEDONIA, therefore GREECE!!
REAL MACEDONIAN, therefore GREEK!!
Macedonia1913 2 years ago 4
τέλειο το βίντεο σου φίλε!
incredible your video
padelisx 2 years ago
nice video!! MAKEDONIA XAKOUSTH TOU ALEXANDROU H XWRA....!!!
YOUR NAME IS VARDARSKA!!!!UNDERSTAND IT!!!
BEAST44HO 2 years ago
thanks a lot bro. Information is power.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
"Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Greece, I should not have come to tell you; but I (Alexander I) am myself a Greek by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery" [Herodotus Book IX ,45,(Kalliopi)]
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
its very complex ! you know all the history very well!
bushdidit2u911 2 years ago 5
i had to learn it, u will get an idea in my other videos too. Tito when he left the Soviet block he also tried to get Macedonia but he used another way. He named southern Serbia Macedonia just like the Greek province & tried to make a pseudomacedonian nation based on the Slavic population. These are the people today that try to usurp the Greek history of ancient Macedonia by fixing a gictional nation and all these in order to get more land, the land that hosts the Russian gas pipes! got it?
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
very informative! i have to do some more homework to fully understand the geo-political/graphical nature of what this is saying! cheers! stalin really wanted to take over greece! and then the meditteranean would have been his!? is that sort of right?
bushdidit2u911 2 years ago 5
Stalin wanted an exit to the Aegean, so he tried to severe the northern provinces of Greece in order to establish a communist regime, that would be controled by the Soviet block!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
file oti kai na les autoi pali tha lene malakies...einai teliws malakes
Stephen8Mcgiourson 2 years ago 5
kala ta les, einai teleiws gia ton ....... katalavaineis!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
nai..alla tha teliwsei auti i istoria...autoi theloun na boun sto NATO giati fovountai min tous katalavoun oi alvanoi...kai den tha boun an emeis den tous afisoume.
Stephen8Mcgiourson 2 years ago 4
file na se rwthsw auto to tragoudi poio einai?
Stephen8Mcgiourson 2 years ago 4
this video is exelant long live greece!!! 5*****
GUSTILBROADCASTING 2 years ago 5
thank u my friend!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
u are not Macedonians u are ethnic bulgarians, got it? U are slavs , u have no relation to our ancestors. Krse Misirkov said "We are more bulgarians than the Bulgarians of Bulgaria. The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian". welcome to reality, that's why ur names, language and toponyms are slavic!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
as for the 16th ray star, learn that the Greekskew its existence long before the 19th century cause it was a symbol used by all ancient Greeks, what it was discovered in the 19th century is that Macedonians used it also (natural sice they were Greeks). Also learn that FYROM started using or symbol after 1944 not before, when Tito's attempt to ake a pseudomacedonian nation took place. Everything about FYROM shouts for their Bulgarian Origin, starting from VMRO, language, names, culture, toponyms!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
a. To weaken Serbia
b. To prevent Bulgarian from annexing Vardarska by using its nationals (who were and still are the majority in Skopje)
c. To advance territorial aspirations against the historic Macedonian province of Greece
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
When this plan failed, it was Tito in 1944 that tried to make a pseudomacedonian nation based on the Slavs of southern Yugoslavia. Tito changed the name of southern Serbia from Vardarska to Macedonia, copoying the name of the Greek province. With that action, Tito wanted to achieve three things.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Around 1870 Bulgaria tried to annex Macedonia and so VMRO was created, a Bulgarian organisation that was presented as a "macedonian" revolutionary organisation so that the native Macedonians would be tricked and not oppose to it! Shortly after this organisation named the Bulgarians of Macedonia, "macedonians" and started deHellenizing Macedonia. This was done by the massacre of thousands of native Macedonians for the sole reason that they were Greeks!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
still i don't see what relates FYROMians to Macedonia, do u think that it has to do with who owns the land? The Turks had it too but they were not Macedonians!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
The Macedonian royal house was called "Argeads" or "Temenidae". According to the tradition, the founder of the royal house Perdiccas - even if the name of the founder differs in reference with the ancient source used - along with his brothers, the "Temenidae" came to the place called Macedonia from the Greek city of Argos (southern Greece). These Temenidae were descendants of Heracles, through Temenus, thus they were called also 'Heracleids'.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Alexander the Great speaks in front of the Macedones of his army: "The Macedonians are going to judge your case," he said. "Please state whether you will use your native language before them."
Philotas: "Besides the Macedonians, there are many present who, I think, will find what I am going to say easier to understand if I use the language you yourself have been using, your purpose, I believe, being only to enable more people to understand you."
FutbolClubBarca1 2 years ago
who says that? where is the citation? who? Polybius? Plutarch? Herodotus? who? i am clear! as u see i give citations so that everyone knows that what i am writing really exists.......
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
and as i told u all Greek tribes had their own dialect, just like in Spain there are discrepancies from place to place, even today in Greece there are many dialects in some places
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
"Men of Sparta, I am certain nobocy would venture to deny that the slavery of Greece owes its origin to the kings of Macedonia" - Polybius (ix,28)
You see, Philp did not "Unite" Greece, he enslaved them.
And yes, I did want to discuss the debate.
FutbolClubBarca1 2 years ago
u think so??? let's see...
"How highly should we honour the Macedonians, who for the greater part of their lives never cease from fighting with the barbarians for the sake of the security of Greece? For who is not aware that Greece would have constantly stood in the greater danger, had we not been fenced by the Macedonians and the honorable ambition of their kings?" The Histories of Polybius, IX, 35, 2
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Why did you delete all of the comments?
FutbolClubBarca1 2 years ago
cause i don't like spam
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Ok, that's fair enough,
FutbolClubBarca1 2 years ago
ooops!!!!
"... all men will be grateful to you: the Hellenes for your kindness to them and the rest of the nations, if by your hands they are delivered from barbaric despotism and are brought under the protection of Hellas". Isocrates, To Philip, 154
"It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom, to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race". Isocrates, To Philip, 127
"Argos is the land of your fathers". Isocrates, To Philip, XII, 32
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
i am still waiting for u to show me how the bulgarians of FYROM are related to Macedonia...............maybe it's some kind of magic picture that we don't see? Maybe the Macedonians spread the Greek culture and not theirs, for fun so that the nexr generations are confused.......
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Macedonia included Aegean, Pirin and a small part of Serbia, do you agree?
FutbolClubBarca1 2 years ago
Macedonia included the Greek province Of macedonia, Pirin and Pelagonia (not all of FYROM,the rest was part of Paeonia)
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
in reply to ur question. Before Philippos, Greece was not a unified state, in order to unite them he had to fight those who did not agreed! The same happened with Attila, Jenghis Khan even in the American civil war when the South wanted independence
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Yes, but it was referred to as "Greece," for geographical reasons.
FutbolClubBarca1 2 years ago
for Geographical reasons??? There were Greeks colonies in many parts of Meditearanean, so which is Greece?
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
The mainland.
What is the Republic of Macedonia then?
It was not part of the Macedonian region?
FutbolClubBarca1 2 years ago
THE STATE u say repubilc of Macedonia has only a small part of the ancient land, the majority of its land was part of Paeonia. Only Pelagonia was part of Macedonia and as u see Pelagonia is also Greek name, there was the city of Hercalea dedicated to the Greek hero Hercules, Alexander's ancestor!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
"But Alexander proving himself to be an Argive, he was judged to be a Greek; so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for the first place". Herodotus V, 22, 2 (Loeb, A. D. Godley)
what part of this don't u understand?
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
do u know how many times the Greeks faught with each other???? i can't even count! just take a look at every ancient Macedonian name,they are all Greek and of course have no relationto the slavic names of FYROM!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Then the king said: "Do you see how offensive Philotas find even his native language? He alone feels an aversion to learning it. But let him speak as he pleases - only remember he as contemptuous of our way of life as he is of our language".
FutbolClubBarca1 2 years ago
Philotas is a Greek name and as u see it has no relation to FYROM's slavic names, secondly where is the citation, Third, Ancient Greeks were of many tribes and each one had its own dialect. Dorian, Ionian, Aeolian
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
"In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mothers side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his fathers side, from Hercules." Velleius Paterculus, Book I
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
"Three brothers of the lineage of Temenus came as banished men from Argos to Illyria, Gauanes and Aeropos and Perdiccas". Herodotus VIII, 137, l (Loeb, A.P. Godley)
"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos" Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)
yes very funny!!!!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Ok, but now we're on 2010, this is historic doc! I like Metallica!
Superplebe0 2 years ago
A very very good video. Fyrom possesses, 71% of the historical Macedonian territory, which is inhabited by Greek Macedonians many of hem forced to be dishellenized by the communist regime. Bulgaria occupies nowadays 11% of the Macedonian territory and the Albanians 1%. And these territories are claimed by Hellenes as per international laws!
fotiniaspida 2 years ago 2
one correction, it's Greece that has the 53% of Macedonia, FYROM occupies a small part!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Poly dynata ta epiheirimata kai i oli parousiasi, alla dystyhws ta meiwneis kai tous kaneis apo epitithemenous thymata, me to ta vazeis ta maimoudakia kai ta alla Myasseconia klp. DENB CHREIAZONTAI auta, kopseta, kia tha eheis ena prwtis taxews dynato epiheirimatiko vinteo. Kai ta liontaria den ta cheriazesai episis, oi boulgaroi ta ehoun gia dika tou sybola kia tous ta piran oi skopianoi, den ta hreiazomaste. Vale ton Erakli kalitera na pnigei ena liontari kai teleiwsame.
eismakedon 2 years ago
ΜΠΡΑΒΟ, ΞΕΦΤΙΛΑ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΧΕΙΣ ΚΑΝΕΙ
valmiltos4 2 years ago
enjoy the cold truth u fyromongolian piece of shit!
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
FYROM is Serbian land, not bulgarian we paid it in blood in 1912 against turks.
SRBpatriot91 3 years ago
FYROM's land is called Vardarska and belongs to Serbia! Tito renamed it in order to weaken Serbia, prevent Bulgaria from annexing it with the bulgarians that lived there and advance aspirations against the Greek province of Macedonia!
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
kolko kosovo e va6e tolko i makedonia e va6a da ti eba maikata da ti eba srbska. makedonia e Bulgaria! i Kosovo e bilo Bulgaria!
ivo1511 3 years ago
yeah great what does that mean?
aggelw23 3 years ago
sorry to say that , "Krissan2112" , but all FYROM nad Bulgary have Greek lands and history......"skopije" was the GREEK city of SCOUPOI....and Ohris was GREEK lake....also Bulgary's lands like NEKROPOLIS and FILIPPOPOLIS are Greek lands...
theTimeHasCome25 3 years ago 3
The people from skopje went there in the 8th century. we were there before Christ
Hellenic History since 4000 BC.
ApollwNotos 3 years ago
ΦΟΒΕΡΟ ΒΙΝΤΕΟ ΜΕ ΑΣΥΝΑΓΩΝΙΣΤΑ ΕΠΙΧΕΙΡΗΜΑΤΑ ΥΟΕΡ ΤΗΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟΤΗΤΑΣ ΤΗΣ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑΣ
keraunoforos 3 years ago
Macedonia is Greece FYROM is Bulgaria. Only together as friends Greeks and Bulgarians can destroy this fantasy world of bullshits !!! Greetings from your friends of Bulgaria !
Krissan2112 3 years ago 2
Macedonia is Greece ! FYROM is Bulgaria ! Skopie and Ohrid are old Bulgarian capitals ! Alexander is a great greek emperor !
Together we can destroy this FYROM bullshits !
Bulgarians and Greeks together anti-FYROM !!!
Greetings from Bulgaria .
Krissan2112 3 years ago
5 stars !!!!! i like this video, i send it around!!
DIKAIOTHEN 3 years ago
call your self what ever skopian you will never be macedonian just because you live in china dont make you chinese, your true history goes all the way back to russia in1812 when stanlin was killing everyone on the out skirts of russia and every one fled, and till ww2 were never called a macedonia not even as a joke.
tisbales 3 years ago
"Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Greece, I should not have come to tell you; but I (Alexander I) am myself a Greek by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery" [Herodotus Book IX ,45,(Kalliopi)]
u are bulgarians and u have no relation to our ancestors.... educate urself....
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
he did not conquer greeks, he united them and he did not fight with greeks dude he faught with Athens, just like spartans and athenians faught each other all the time, does that mean they were not greeks? Romans, egyptians, persians faught each other all the time, does that mean they were not the same people? grow up dude and yes alexander was greek and he was proud for his greek descent from Achilles and Heracles! don't tell me enough about history cause it's our history u steal!
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
"But Alexander proving himself to be an Argive, he was judged to be a Greek; so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for the first place". [Herodotus V, 22, 2 (Loeb, A. D. Godley)]
u see dude, it does not matter what ur grandparents told u, it's what the ancients said.... MACEDONIA is GREECE
FYROM is ethnic bulgarians on Serbian land!
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
i don't want to take macedonia from inside u, i want to protect my history from u! MACEDON was a son of Zeus dude, when my people lived in Macedonia, ur people were not even in the Balkans, like i told u, u came after my region was under Ottoman occupation.....u are slavs and the majority of u are bulgarians like VMRO!
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
Macedonia is Greece!
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
My grandmother born 1930 has been Macedonian wholke her life...she`s mother born in the 19 century said she was Macedonian whole her life...so the presentation in the video has nothing to do with the reality...Sorry but i am Macedonian i was alway and i`ll alweys be...
saskofilipov 3 years ago
my friend, they said they were macedonian because they lived in macedonia just like if u go and live in america, u will call urself American, Greeks, Turks, Jews who lived in macedonia also called themselves macedonians, there is no macedonian nation, ancient macedonians were Greeks!
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
dude so what if they said it? ancient macedonians were Greeks, ur grandparents were Slavs, do u know how many Greeks say also that they are Macedonians???? facts say that Macedonians were Greeks, in fact the macedonian royal house was from Argos, everything about ancient Macedonia is Greeks. Your grandparents could say whatevr they want but the facts is that are slavs who came when Turks occupied the Balkans, that's wgy u have no historical facts. enjoy!
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
anyone can say that he is macedonian but facts speak for themselves, u are bulgarians who came to macedonia, the ancient macedonians were Greeks and u have no relation to them, simple as that!
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago