Working class Catholics and Protestants in the North were both screwed over by the British and Ulster ascendancy (the ascendancy includes but a small minority of wealthy Protestants). Violence was perpetuated for generations because they convinced working class protestants that they had something to lose when in fact they were both equally exploited. That's the great shame of Irish history. We could have achieved so much together if all of working class Ireland stood shoulder to shoulder.
The Ulster people knew in 1912 that Home Rule meant Rome Rule and wisely resisted the tyrant who sits in the Vatican and the Ryan Report and Murphy Report have vindicated their stance.
My great, great grandfather emigrated from Ulster in 1873, and his son, my GGF fought as an officer in the CEF during WWI. I would assume they would have supported this.
@MrMickrroach thats a bit hypocritical seeing as you accuse me of not being irish yet i was born in northern ireland , either i am irish or your a hypocrite , which is it to be ?
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No one wants to burn down your orange halls, no one wants to destroy your community or take away your human rights, the best option available to unionists is to elect a goverment that respects your human rights as individuals and as a community but yous also must respect that other irish people are your equal and they have a right to elect a government of their choice. Lets be real here britain fell out of love with Ian Paisley and co a long long time ago. TIOCFAIDH AR LA
Anyone who quotes George Galloway is worthy of suspicion and the fact that you end your post with TAL shows your contempt for our traditions and views of the majority population in Northern Ireland. If you must preach try to use your own words kid!!
My message to uniounist and loyalists in the 6 counties is stop fooling yourselves that britain has any interest in maintaing your supremacy, what u share in common with the rest of the people in ireland far outweighs the things the things you dont have in common.
I am a Unionist from Belfast and read your comment with interest. I do not consider myself supreme to anyone and would not invite any such notion. I enjoy friendships with many republicans and believe their republicanism makes them political opponents not enemies. They are Irish people whereas I am a British person. I would not ask any republican to surrender their irish identity. All I ask, is to be shown the same curtesy regarding my British one... no more no less.
I welcome ur views and I am glad that u respect republicans and that u welcome diversity! if only more unionists in the 6 counties had the same views as your self! I am in exactly the same position as yourself only from opposite sides of the divide, i have no problems or any issues with the whole uniounists culture or the orange order just as long as they stick to there own communties and respect that they are not welcome in republican communties. This is the only way forward for both sides
I would also like to add that i believe uniounists would benefit far more in a united ireland rather than staying part of the unioun, EIRE NUA would offer unionists in the north far more power over there communties and what goes on in the province of ulster than what the british goverment currently gives u, You seem like an open minded man why dnt u read up on eire nua and see for your self? and may b u could give some of your fellow uniounists an education and tell them the benefits!!!
My belief in the Union with Great Britain is not based on tribal obligation but on genuine opinion. I don't think "United Ireland" as you phrase it would unite Ireland at all. I think to rip ones right to be British from them would confirm fears of being conquered and drive the Protestant population into an isolationist position. This would drive back generations of hard work done at community level to fight bigotry (particularly among the working class). I shall continue...
Well to be honest mate theres hardly any country in this world where every 1 loves every 1! in scotland people from edinbrugh dnt like people from glasgow and vice versa, in england theres a divide with people from north and south and its the same in poland and most of europe! i still however do not think that it is a good enough reason to divide a minority from the majorty in Ireland, i no that ireland has had it problems with religion for several hundred years but.. i will continue!
To be honest mate I personaly hate religion myself! my mother is a protestant and she is also a strong republican and she certainly doesnt not feel isolated in any way wats so ever! i hate the way religion and politics are often mixed together in my opinion they are completly seperate if protestants feel isolated in a united ireland then it is completly there problem! The irish republic guarantees religious and civil liberty unlike the uk which still to this day discriminates against RCs
ireland cannot stop britian offering citizenship to residents of the 6 counties . Nor can it stop people having an affinity towards britain . Youd swear youd be marched into a chapel with an armalite in your back they way you talk . And your " british way of life" hasnt anything remotely to do with the actual british way of life of 60 million people whod class you as a paddy .
continued... I like the current model of Northern Ireland, governed by an executive which is dually elected and truly representative. Our best future is as a British region with an Irish Identity. This is the only way we can nourish a dually cultural Northern Ireland and with each new generation eradicate the tribal and cultural segregation which breeds sectarianism. Once a paislyite my political journey only properly began by reading "Unchartered waters" the biography of David Ervine.
continued.. the whole fundamental building block of republicanism is uniting catholics and protestants together it was a protestant who started republicanism (wolftone) his aim was for both catholics and protestants to stop fighting among each other and work together and drive the brits out of ireland as they were the problem, it was britain who caused the whole religious divide in the 1st place and it was them that started plantation in order to divide people and take control of ireland ....
"It is vital not only that Ireland is a Catholic country, but that it is seen to be so" Eamon De Valera. and much more recently the Irish finance minister when addressing dail erin regarding the education budget referred to two types of schools... "Protestant schools" and wait for it. "ordinary schools" Didn't this bother you? In what way is your Mother not ordinary? Could you imagine a British minister refering to a white person as ordinary
I think uv gt ur facts slightly wrong about Eamon De Valera my friend! as far as i am aware he was a devoted R C himself but his constitution also recognised "the special position" of the Catholic Church and recognised other denominations including the Church of Ireland and Jewish congregations, whilst guaranteeing the religious freedom of all citizens. He resisted an attempt to make Roman Catholicism the state religion and his constitution forbids the establishment of a state religion.
he was a prick trying to keep the bishops onside and the brits happy at the same time . There should have been no mention of religion at all . And he still didnt call it a republic .
@kbcmighty why shouldnt there have been any mention of religion at all back then? you had a situation where a country with a roman catholic majorty had been oppressed, murdered and under the constant threat of loyalist murder squads for the best part of 300 yrs, surly it would only be right for Eamon De Valera to address his people and guarantee them religious freedom!
thie bishops assisted the british from 1798 on ,condemned every rebellion , excommunicated fenians and the IRA later . many of them were unionists . They were all anti republican . They had no business in the countrys affairs and de valera used them to keep the people down and under the thumb .
@kbcmighty Well said sir. Let’s not forget either, that Ireland was first cynically ‘granted’ to England by a papal bull as a means of ensuring church reform by bringing the Irish Church more directly under the control of the Holy See. The poisonous cultural hegemony of Roman Catholicism has also hijacked every Republican rising since 1798 thus turning them into sectarian movements therefore ruining solidarity amongst the working class of the Island.
As for the free staters finance minister I completly agree with you on that 1 mate! His comments were bang out of order and on the border line of racism! any way my friend i had a great st patricks day thanks for the best wishes! i hope u had a good one too!
its institutionalised sectarianism and a disaster waiting to happen . Its a mess , a dogs dinner upheld by nothing more than political cliques happy to reinforce divsion that guarantees seats that depend on it . British rule has failed , yet again.
@kbcmighty This is your opinion and you are very much entitled to it. However, it is a dogs dinner which was overwhelmingly choosen by the Irish people North and South. How ironic that I, a Unionist, am showing more respect to the will of the people of the Republic of Ireland than you, An Irish Republican. In answer to youre other comments, they can be easily be reversed, The ROI does not deny passports to Northern Irish people and when I am Down South I am a "Nordy."
Louisiana was French. That said, I am well aware of Labour Government in the UK, but its days are Numbered. I dont want to brign the world back fully to the way things where, but like Napoleon Id keep what worked after the Revolt and restore the old Order where it was good. Id Unite all of the 50 States into the Commonwealth, Along with Ireland, and then Federalise it, as a single confederation. its a dream, but a good one. Id reject the EU.
Hnson, it is true,Britain Not England) is in bad shape. But Ireland is no better off, and ruled by Socialists and the EU, and unlike the UK, is far more willing to sit for it.
We need back to the Impirial Ideal, rather than to curse it, to fight the modern March to Neo-Comunism, so Ireland should stop the hatred and realise with the UK that togaher under the Union Jack is better than togather under Europe.
Zarriyl. The UK has had a Labour (socialist) govt. for the last decade.
Both the UK and Ireland are members of the EU along with most European Nations. They joined together.
Ireland gets on just fine with England. And as for Home Rule, they have it in the Northern Ireland now and are happy with it.
In your idea of an imperial "ideal" the East of your country would still be a colony, with its wealth heading to the "home countries". The rest would be still owned by Spain.
This notion of "Ulster is British" and "Ulstermen" is rather hard to swallow. If unionists from Northern Ireland really thought Ulster was British, they'd want Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan back in the UK. But they can't have them back, because then the already slim majority they have would be instantly lost to those who want all of Ireland out of the UK.
They have to make do with small cluster of counties in Ireland. Calling it "Ulster" is no more accurate than calling England "Britain".
How right the the cry of no 'Rome rule' was from our forefathers when we see the catalogue of abuse carried out by the catholic church and covered up by the southern state!!
Where is England now! A nation ruled by disgusting false socialists, orwellian politicians, invaded by foreigners and betrayed by misrule and weak contemptable laws...
unfortunately we have ran out off any powerful leaders like Edward Carson of James Craig, the unionist cause needs ONE strong party, one party will get rid of the Terrorist scum at Stormont, its time to reunite unionists to the past glories of Carson and Craig and show these bastards to door.
Didn't know that Kipling was for a group that ethnically are the same. Lowland Scots ARE Irish. The very name Scot comes from the "Scoti" or brigands of Hibernia. And I personally think he was wrong about Ulster.
Thats almost correct - the lowland scots were descendents of the Dalriadans who came across from Ulster and who maintained links and tribute payments to the dalriadans in Ulster for many generations. These are the same Dalriadans that constantly fought the other celtic tribes to keep their own lands in Ulster free. And he was very right about Ulster - only 23% of people in Ulster want to unite with Ireland - the rest will not surrender to the murderers and child killing terrorists of the ira.
historically illiterate shite? Dont know what plastic paddy, catholic irish bullshit youve had to listen to pal but this is REAL. Check it out you prick.
Adamson is an academic laughing stock and his "seperate Ulster homeland defending against Gael invaders" fairytales have been rubbished several times by actual historians and by DNA testing.
Hate to burst your bubble, but there is no real thing as "celtic Irish" from a DNA standpoint. The celtic DNA, as typified by continental populations from Gaul, southern Germany, and northern Spain, is a fraction of the DNA found in the Irish population. In reality, most Irish have essentially the same DNA as most everyone else in the British Isles, derived from the mesolithic hunter gatherers that populated Great Britain and Ireland after the Ice ages.
asmodeon- Of course there is Celtic DNA. It is a LARGE fraction of Irish DNA. Irish DNA is similar to the British isles due to the fact that the Irish Scots, Manx Welsh Cornish and Britons were Celtic all Peoples. Then Normans, Vikings came, and later came the (part Celtic) English. The Romans never came to Ireland nor did the Angles or Saxons Jutes Picts etc. The UK as a powerful imperial Nation absorbed more world DNA through immigration in later years. (inc. from Ireland of course)
The UDA UVF surrendered there weapons what are you gonna fight with pea shooters & 3 of the 9 counties of Ulster are in the free state so will you be fighting for the free state or occupied state when you die with your pea shooter lol
If in 2012 Loyalists were once again asked to sign a "Covenant" to resist direct rule from Ireland then Royal Avenue would once again see at least 500 thousand waiting to sign, this peace we have at the moment is the best we can hope for, there will never be a united Ireland even if the Nationalists outnumber us 10-1 it will never be allowed to happen.
LOL you hav'nt a clue what your on about son are you talking about Ulster ressistance of the 80's LOL the only thing unionists have ever whent to war against in Ireland was unarmed civillians & they where shit at that too LOL
NELSON WAS TAKING HIS ORDERS FROM FRU. HE WAS A BRITISH AGENT.
FRU WAS RUN BY GORDON KERR WHO ANSWERED DIRECTLY TO THE BRITISH CABINET
Scot does indeed mean Irish. Scotti tribe from Ireland. Scotland and Ireland being called Scottia minor and Scottia major by the Romans. History books.
Great republican song playing in the background , "The minstrel boy to the war is gone in the ranks of death youll find him, his fathers sword he has girded on and his wild harp slung behind him. "Land of song" said the warrior bard, "though all the world betrays thee one sword at least thy rights shall guard one faithfull harp shall praise thee", one of my favorite songs, he fought for Irelands freedom and more will too, Éireann go breagh tiocfaidh ár lá!
I didnt betray anything and neither did my ancestors. Im born in Ireland, descended from Antrim and Longford, and I'm Irish, I'm not betraying UIster or Ireland im defending the countries right to soveirgnty and freedom. If anyything your a traitor for wanting to keep your country divided and fucked up. TÁL
Well it was a reply to me so its not such a retarted assumption. What makes me the enemy anyway? I dont consider you an enemy just someone with a different opinion, only real enemies i have are security forces, and im not rly sure how "enemy" they are anyway. haha the DUP? Yeh i spose they are prty much flip flopping the whole time, Sinn Féin are equally crap tho so meh. What do you have besides DUP anyway that cud rly do anything?
mate its nothing to do with trators, i do not see u as a trator and i would ask that you do not call me one, it boils down to the fact that there are two very different people on this island. Northern ireland has got to exist as a home land for the protection of the protestant Ulster -scots however not at the expense of catholic freedom. we are different and can not hope to be treated fairly in a united ireland so we must have a home land i wish to live in a fair society with my catholic friends
"protection"? What do you mean protection of Ulster Scots? What horrible things are going to happen if thers a democratic Ireland rather than a sectarianly partitioned one? I dont consider myself a catholic anyway and my mams family who are now settled in Belfast can trace its ancestry back to Scotland, but that doesnt make me an "Ulster Scot" , im not even sure what an Ulster scot is, the fact is I'm Irish.
I rly dont understand by what you mean by "homeland 4 ulster scots" , most people in the 6 counties dont consider themselves ulster scots anyway. Most people would either say British or Irish. And why does being part of the UK give Ulster scots a homeland? Surely you realise England arent Ulster Scoth either?! Like if u were in a united Ireland at least youd be united to people who are more closely related to the Ulster Scots.
Take off the nationalist goggles and realise that 'Ireland' (only a concept in the eyes of idiots), historically', has always been 'divided and fucked up'.
Historically britain has always been divided & fucked up the only thing that unites scotland wales & Ireland is we all hate the english even the unionists over here hate the english
wtf are you babbling about scumfuck? You don't even fucking know me - I said 1 word "brilliant". If you want a fucking fight likes take this elsewhere cuntiballs!
wolfe tone? oh yea a PROTESTANT. its funny that the man you all look up to was a pROTESTANT you lot couldent lead yourselves or have and were totaly unorganised it just shows u need a prod to do it rite
Wolfe tone failed but why are unionist so obsessed with religeon only 30% of the population in the north regularly attend a church service there are only a small number of people who are actually catholic or protestant
This is a weak copy of a much older Irish rebel poem.
Even the background music, The minstrel boy is a Irish rebel tune.
What idiot put these together.
OrangeDemoncrats 1 week ago
Ulster Is Irish
OrangeDemoncrats 1 week ago
Well done ! Ripling's the man.
ernstbecker1 3 months ago
Changed his tune somewhat after losing his only son in the great war
mrmagicroundcircle 8 months ago
@mrmagicroundcircle I'm not sure losing his son in Flanders fields changed his views on Ulster unionism
jonchapple 7 months ago 5
Working class Catholics and Protestants in the North were both screwed over by the British and Ulster ascendancy (the ascendancy includes but a small minority of wealthy Protestants). Violence was perpetuated for generations because they convinced working class protestants that they had something to lose when in fact they were both equally exploited. That's the great shame of Irish history. We could have achieved so much together if all of working class Ireland stood shoulder to shoulder.
vygotsky17 10 months ago
@vygotsky17 Now its a small minority of both Catholic & Protestant Paramilitarys that have got alot to loose if theres ever peace!
flute4hire 8 months ago
Perhaps when religion is finally out of Irish politics, then the Irish people can feel
free to walk towards the future arm in arm for the greater good.
Kipling's point of view was of his age and outlook as a child of Empire who had
been born and brought up far beyond England's shores and was to lose his only
son in the Great War that followed these lines.
Another thought-provoking contribution from this excellent source.
songsmith31a 10 months ago
Is this poem told from the perspective of an unreliable narrator or was Kipling just a deluded, racist asshole?
minedarea 1 year ago
@minedarea racist?????
DEANCRUES 4 months ago
Rudyard Kipling = Imperialist A-hole.
hansjalv 1 year ago
@hansjalv oh no, another 12 year old bastard
LordWellington15 11 months ago
The Ulster people knew in 1912 that Home Rule meant Rome Rule and wisely resisted the tyrant who sits in the Vatican and the Ryan Report and Murphy Report have vindicated their stance.
Bluesnout 1 year ago
LEST WE FORGET
3rd. (TORONTO) BTN.
Canadian UVF
oz1641 1 year ago
@oz1641
My great, great grandfather emigrated from Ulster in 1873, and his son, my GGF fought as an officer in the CEF during WWI. I would assume they would have supported this.
Falwren 1 year ago
@Falwren yes he would have supported this! the fight still continues today...
unforkedtongues 1 year ago
I came across this piece of poetry by accident . I have a rough idea of what it means. What do you guys think???
mossy1947 1 year ago
Rudyard Kipling was born in India....he is an Indian
MrMickrroach 1 year ago
@MrMickrroach thats a bit hypocritical seeing as you accuse me of not being irish yet i was born in northern ireland , either i am irish or your a hypocrite , which is it to be ?
TheGreerski 1 year ago
awesome i love kipling. thank you greerski for sharing this with me.
missjessicaC 1 year ago
Amen.
hanson666999 2 years ago
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No one wants to burn down your orange halls, no one wants to destroy your community or take away your human rights, the best option available to unionists is to elect a goverment that respects your human rights as individuals and as a community but yous also must respect that other irish people are your equal and they have a right to elect a government of their choice. Lets be real here britain fell out of love with Ian Paisley and co a long long time ago. TIOCFAIDH AR LA
REPUBLICANSCOT 2 years ago
Anyone who quotes George Galloway is worthy of suspicion and the fact that you end your post with TAL shows your contempt for our traditions and views of the majority population in Northern Ireland. If you must preach try to use your own words kid!!
rangerwills 2 years ago
My message to uniounist and loyalists in the 6 counties is stop fooling yourselves that britain has any interest in maintaing your supremacy, what u share in common with the rest of the people in ireland far outweighs the things the things you dont have in common.
REPUBLICANSCOT 2 years ago
@REPUBLICANSCOT
I am a Unionist from Belfast and read your comment with interest. I do not consider myself supreme to anyone and would not invite any such notion. I enjoy friendships with many republicans and believe their republicanism makes them political opponents not enemies. They are Irish people whereas I am a British person. I would not ask any republican to surrender their irish identity. All I ask, is to be shown the same curtesy regarding my British one... no more no less.
MrWilman79 2 years ago
I welcome ur views and I am glad that u respect republicans and that u welcome diversity! if only more unionists in the 6 counties had the same views as your self! I am in exactly the same position as yourself only from opposite sides of the divide, i have no problems or any issues with the whole uniounists culture or the orange order just as long as they stick to there own communties and respect that they are not welcome in republican communties. This is the only way forward for both sides
REPUBLICANSCOT 2 years ago
I would also like to add that i believe uniounists would benefit far more in a united ireland rather than staying part of the unioun, EIRE NUA would offer unionists in the north far more power over there communties and what goes on in the province of ulster than what the british goverment currently gives u, You seem like an open minded man why dnt u read up on eire nua and see for your self? and may b u could give some of your fellow uniounists an education and tell them the benefits!!!
REPUBLICANSCOT 2 years ago
My belief in the Union with Great Britain is not based on tribal obligation but on genuine opinion. I don't think "United Ireland" as you phrase it would unite Ireland at all. I think to rip ones right to be British from them would confirm fears of being conquered and drive the Protestant population into an isolationist position. This would drive back generations of hard work done at community level to fight bigotry (particularly among the working class). I shall continue...
MrWilman79 2 years ago
Well to be honest mate theres hardly any country in this world where every 1 loves every 1! in scotland people from edinbrugh dnt like people from glasgow and vice versa, in england theres a divide with people from north and south and its the same in poland and most of europe! i still however do not think that it is a good enough reason to divide a minority from the majorty in Ireland, i no that ireland has had it problems with religion for several hundred years but.. i will continue!
REPUBLICANSCOT 2 years ago
To be honest mate I personaly hate religion myself! my mother is a protestant and she is also a strong republican and she certainly doesnt not feel isolated in any way wats so ever! i hate the way religion and politics are often mixed together in my opinion they are completly seperate if protestants feel isolated in a united ireland then it is completly there problem! The irish republic guarantees religious and civil liberty unlike the uk which still to this day discriminates against RCs
REPUBLICANSCOT 2 years ago
@MrWilman79
ireland cannot stop britian offering citizenship to residents of the 6 counties . Nor can it stop people having an affinity towards britain . Youd swear youd be marched into a chapel with an armalite in your back they way you talk . And your " british way of life" hasnt anything remotely to do with the actual british way of life of 60 million people whod class you as a paddy .
kbcmighty 1 year ago
continued... I like the current model of Northern Ireland, governed by an executive which is dually elected and truly representative. Our best future is as a British region with an Irish Identity. This is the only way we can nourish a dually cultural Northern Ireland and with each new generation eradicate the tribal and cultural segregation which breeds sectarianism. Once a paislyite my political journey only properly began by reading "Unchartered waters" the biography of David Ervine.
MrWilman79 2 years ago
continued.. the whole fundamental building block of republicanism is uniting catholics and protestants together it was a protestant who started republicanism (wolftone) his aim was for both catholics and protestants to stop fighting among each other and work together and drive the brits out of ireland as they were the problem, it was britain who caused the whole religious divide in the 1st place and it was them that started plantation in order to divide people and take control of ireland ....
REPUBLICANSCOT 2 years ago
"It is vital not only that Ireland is a Catholic country, but that it is seen to be so" Eamon De Valera. and much more recently the Irish finance minister when addressing dail erin regarding the education budget referred to two types of schools... "Protestant schools" and wait for it. "ordinary schools" Didn't this bother you? In what way is your Mother not ordinary? Could you imagine a British minister refering to a white person as ordinary
have a great St Patricks day my friend...
MrWilman79 2 years ago
I think uv gt ur facts slightly wrong about Eamon De Valera my friend! as far as i am aware he was a devoted R C himself but his constitution also recognised "the special position" of the Catholic Church and recognised other denominations including the Church of Ireland and Jewish congregations, whilst guaranteeing the religious freedom of all citizens. He resisted an attempt to make Roman Catholicism the state religion and his constitution forbids the establishment of a state religion.
REPUBLICANSCOT 1 year ago
@REPUBLICANSCOT
he was a prick trying to keep the bishops onside and the brits happy at the same time . There should have been no mention of religion at all . And he still didnt call it a republic .
kbcmighty 1 year ago
@kbcmighty why shouldnt there have been any mention of religion at all back then? you had a situation where a country with a roman catholic majorty had been oppressed, murdered and under the constant threat of loyalist murder squads for the best part of 300 yrs, surly it would only be right for Eamon De Valera to address his people and guarantee them religious freedom!
REPUBLICANSCOT 1 year ago
@REPUBLICANSCOT
thie bishops assisted the british from 1798 on ,condemned every rebellion , excommunicated fenians and the IRA later . many of them were unionists . They were all anti republican . They had no business in the countrys affairs and de valera used them to keep the people down and under the thumb .
kbcmighty 1 year ago
@kbcmighty Well said sir. Let’s not forget either, that Ireland was first cynically ‘granted’ to England by a papal bull as a means of ensuring church reform by bringing the Irish Church more directly under the control of the Holy See. The poisonous cultural hegemony of Roman Catholicism has also hijacked every Republican rising since 1798 thus turning them into sectarian movements therefore ruining solidarity amongst the working class of the Island.
CosmosLoyal 1 year ago
As for the free staters finance minister I completly agree with you on that 1 mate! His comments were bang out of order and on the border line of racism! any way my friend i had a great st patricks day thanks for the best wishes! i hope u had a good one too!
REPUBLICANSCOT 1 year ago
no way,your welcome in a united Ireland,not under british rule though!
mangebag 1 year ago
@MrWilman79
its institutionalised sectarianism and a disaster waiting to happen . Its a mess , a dogs dinner upheld by nothing more than political cliques happy to reinforce divsion that guarantees seats that depend on it . British rule has failed , yet again.
kbcmighty 1 year ago
@kbcmighty This is your opinion and you are very much entitled to it. However, it is a dogs dinner which was overwhelmingly choosen by the Irish people North and South. How ironic that I, a Unionist, am showing more respect to the will of the people of the Republic of Ireland than you, An Irish Republican. In answer to youre other comments, they can be easily be reversed, The ROI does not deny passports to Northern Irish people and when I am Down South I am a "Nordy."
MrWilman79 1 year ago
I'd explain better if not limited to 500 Characters.
ZARIYL 2 years ago
Louisiana was French. That said, I am well aware of Labour Government in the UK, but its days are Numbered. I dont want to brign the world back fully to the way things where, but like Napoleon Id keep what worked after the Revolt and restore the old Order where it was good. Id Unite all of the 50 States into the Commonwealth, Along with Ireland, and then Federalise it, as a single confederation. its a dream, but a good one. Id reject the EU.
ZARIYL 2 years ago
Hnson, it is true,Britain Not England) is in bad shape. But Ireland is no better off, and ruled by Socialists and the EU, and unlike the UK, is far more willing to sit for it.
We need back to the Impirial Ideal, rather than to curse it, to fight the modern March to Neo-Comunism, so Ireland should stop the hatred and realise with the UK that togaher under the Union Jack is better than togather under Europe.
ZARIYL 2 years ago
Zarriyl. The UK has had a Labour (socialist) govt. for the last decade.
Both the UK and Ireland are members of the EU along with most European Nations. They joined together.
Ireland gets on just fine with England. And as for Home Rule, they have it in the Northern Ireland now and are happy with it.
In your idea of an imperial "ideal" the East of your country would still be a colony, with its wealth heading to the "home countries". The rest would be still owned by Spain.
EamonnKee 2 years ago
Rudyard Kipling. A true Ulster hero. We will remember him. F.G.A.U
orangeteddy 2 years ago
This notion of "Ulster is British" and "Ulstermen" is rather hard to swallow. If unionists from Northern Ireland really thought Ulster was British, they'd want Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan back in the UK. But they can't have them back, because then the already slim majority they have would be instantly lost to those who want all of Ireland out of the UK.
They have to make do with small cluster of counties in Ireland. Calling it "Ulster" is no more accurate than calling England "Britain".
padraic2001eire 2 years ago
kipling was an imperialist wanker
white mans burden motherfucker
arrogantwanker1 2 years ago
ULSTER IS EIRE !!!!
andrerockmetal 2 years ago
How right the the cry of no 'Rome rule' was from our forefathers when we see the catalogue of abuse carried out by the catholic church and covered up by the southern state!!
rangerwills 2 years ago
Where is England now! A nation ruled by disgusting false socialists, orwellian politicians, invaded by foreigners and betrayed by misrule and weak contemptable laws...
hanson666999 2 years ago
Brian Nelson was a British intelligence agent put inside the UDA by FRU.
FRU commander, Gordon Kerr, wanted to re-arm Loyalist groups and used Nelson as a conduit to get an arms shipment from South Africa.
ebeneezzer 2 years ago
unfortunately we have ran out off any powerful leaders like Edward Carson of James Craig, the unionist cause needs ONE strong party, one party will get rid of the Terrorist scum at Stormont, its time to reunite unionists to the past glories of Carson and Craig and show these bastards to door.
notbrasilnorniron 2 years ago
Didn't know that Kipling was for a group that ethnically are the same. Lowland Scots ARE Irish. The very name Scot comes from the "Scoti" or brigands of Hibernia. And I personally think he was wrong about Ulster.
ARP7777777 2 years ago
Thats almost correct - the lowland scots were descendents of the Dalriadans who came across from Ulster and who maintained links and tribute payments to the dalriadans in Ulster for many generations. These are the same Dalriadans that constantly fought the other celtic tribes to keep their own lands in Ulster free. And he was very right about Ulster - only 23% of people in Ulster want to unite with Ireland - the rest will not surrender to the murderers and child killing terrorists of the ira.
ulsterconfederate 2 years ago
"These are the same Dalriadans that constantly fought the other celtic tribes to keep their own lands in Ulster free."
That is such historically illiterate shite. Big fan of Ian Adamson's fantastic tales are we?
ebeneezzer 2 years ago
You do know Scots and Ullish were mixing for thousands of years too don't you?
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
You do know that Scot means Irish?
ebeneezzer 2 years ago
historically illiterate shite? Dont know what plastic paddy, catholic irish bullshit youve had to listen to pal but this is REAL. Check it out you prick.
ulsterconfederate 2 years ago
'fraid not.
Adamson is an academic laughing stock and his "seperate Ulster homeland defending against Gael invaders" fairytales have been rubbished several times by actual historians and by DNA testing.
Sorry to burst your bubble like that matey.
ebeneezzer 2 years ago
Hate to burst your bubble, but there is no real thing as "celtic Irish" from a DNA standpoint. The celtic DNA, as typified by continental populations from Gaul, southern Germany, and northern Spain, is a fraction of the DNA found in the Irish population. In reality, most Irish have essentially the same DNA as most everyone else in the British Isles, derived from the mesolithic hunter gatherers that populated Great Britain and Ireland after the Ice ages.
asmodeon 2 years ago
Yep. 100% true.
The originl inhabitants of the island were Basque
ebeneezzer 2 years ago
true. and there were celts in england long after they were gone in ireland.
rory198 2 years ago
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EamonnKee 2 years ago
asmodeon- Of course there is Celtic DNA. It is a LARGE fraction of Irish DNA. Irish DNA is similar to the British isles due to the fact that the Irish Scots, Manx Welsh Cornish and Britons were Celtic all Peoples. Then Normans, Vikings came, and later came the (part Celtic) English. The Romans never came to Ireland nor did the Angles or Saxons Jutes Picts etc. The UK as a powerful imperial Nation absorbed more world DNA through immigration in later years. (inc. from Ireland of course)
EamonnKee 2 years ago
Well said.
ebeneezzer 2 years ago
Fair play to Kipling his words were true.
puffcandy999 2 years ago
Makes my hairs stand up.
1912-2012- STILL PREPARED TO FIGHT AND DIE FOR ULSTER.
NO SURRENDER-NOT NOW- NOT EVER.
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
The UDA UVF surrendered there weapons what are you gonna fight with pea shooters & 3 of the 9 counties of Ulster are in the free state so will you be fighting for the free state or occupied state when you die with your pea shooter lol
seandelaney2 2 years ago
And? That means nothing. We were able to arm ourselves before, and I've no doubt we could do it again.
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
The UDA/UVF only killed unarmed civillians what guns they did have they where never a threat to anyone but there own communities they where a joke
seandelaney2 2 years ago
If in 2012 Loyalists were once again asked to sign a "Covenant" to resist direct rule from Ireland then Royal Avenue would once again see at least 500 thousand waiting to sign, this peace we have at the moment is the best we can hope for, there will never be a united Ireland even if the Nationalists outnumber us 10-1 it will never be allowed to happen.
SonofOrange 2 years ago
The next time you'll see 500 thousand loyalists in belfast is when there queing up for the ferry to scotland after Ireland is united
seandelaney2 2 years ago
The next time half a million loyalists will be gathered again, they will be preparing for war. Again. You will never drive us from our land.
3downatmilltown 2 years ago 2
The last time half a million loyalist gathered was because they where shiting themselves to sign a bit of paper not for war LOL
seandelaney2 2 years ago
I'm on about the time before that! Who set up Ulster Resistance again and who was leading the speech? LOL!
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
LOL you hav'nt a clue what your on about son are you talking about Ulster ressistance of the 80's LOL the only thing unionists have ever whent to war against in Ireland was unarmed civillians & they where shit at that too LOL
seandelaney2 2 years ago
Ulster Resistance?
Was that when Peter punt was swanning around in a pink beret and bravely invading tiny isolated border villages before getting arrested?
What a devastating force they were!
ebeneezzer 2 years ago
Red berets. Are you colour blind? Didn't they also import a few tonnes of weapons too?
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
No. The British government via Brian Nelson imported those weapons.
Thank you for bringing that point up though, especially With all this bollix about reparations from Libya for arming the IRA.
ebeneezzer 2 years ago
Wrong. Brian Nelson was sent by the UDA (Who didn't know he was an agent) to South Africa. The links were made by Ulster Resistance.
And anyway. You cannot compare 200 rifles, 12 rocket launchers and a few grenades to the tonnes sent to the PIRA by Libya.
No moaning about government collusion there from the Shinners. Is there?
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
Bullshit. Nelson answered directly to FRU cheif Gordon Kerr who in turn answered directly to the British cabinet.
Gte your facts straight boyo
ebeneezzer 2 years ago
Read my comment slowly you prick. Brian Nelson was sent by the U-D-A. Not by British Intelligence or British government. By the U-D-A.
Do you need a picture drew?
Scot means Irish? WTF are you talking about?!
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
NELSON WAS TAKING HIS ORDERS FROM FRU. HE WAS A BRITISH AGENT.
FRU WAS RUN BY GORDON KERR WHO ANSWERED DIRECTLY TO THE BRITISH CABINET
Scot does indeed mean Irish. Scotti tribe from Ireland. Scotland and Ireland being called Scottia minor and Scottia major by the Romans. History books.
ebeneezzer 2 years ago
Yes history books. You need to read them! When I said Scots I meant people from Scotland you dimwit!
Nelson was sent to South Africa by the UDA! Not FRU or MI5 you looper!
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
up the uvf
mtownycv 2 years ago
Great republican song playing in the background , "The minstrel boy to the war is gone in the ranks of death youll find him, his fathers sword he has girded on and his wild harp slung behind him. "Land of song" said the warrior bard, "though all the world betrays thee one sword at least thy rights shall guard one faithfull harp shall praise thee", one of my favorite songs, he fought for Irelands freedom and more will too, Éireann go breagh tiocfaidh ár lá!
OglachnahEireann 3 years ago
We may be betrayed on all sides but we aren't finished yet.
NO SURRENDER
ulsterconfederate 2 years ago
I didnt betray anything and neither did my ancestors. Im born in Ireland, descended from Antrim and Longford, and I'm Irish, I'm not betraying UIster or Ireland im defending the countries right to soveirgnty and freedom. If anyything your a traitor for wanting to keep your country divided and fucked up. TÁL
OglachnahEireann 2 years ago
not talking about you, you retard. How can your enemy betray you? I was talking about the dup.
ulsterconfederate 2 years ago
Well it was a reply to me so its not such a retarted assumption. What makes me the enemy anyway? I dont consider you an enemy just someone with a different opinion, only real enemies i have are security forces, and im not rly sure how "enemy" they are anyway. haha the DUP? Yeh i spose they are prty much flip flopping the whole time, Sinn Féin are equally crap tho so meh. What do you have besides DUP anyway that cud rly do anything?
OglachnahEireann 2 years ago
mate its nothing to do with trators, i do not see u as a trator and i would ask that you do not call me one, it boils down to the fact that there are two very different people on this island. Northern ireland has got to exist as a home land for the protection of the protestant Ulster -scots however not at the expense of catholic freedom. we are different and can not hope to be treated fairly in a united ireland so we must have a home land i wish to live in a fair society with my catholic friends
tate247 2 years ago
"protection"? What do you mean protection of Ulster Scots? What horrible things are going to happen if thers a democratic Ireland rather than a sectarianly partitioned one? I dont consider myself a catholic anyway and my mams family who are now settled in Belfast can trace its ancestry back to Scotland, but that doesnt make me an "Ulster Scot" , im not even sure what an Ulster scot is, the fact is I'm Irish.
OglachnahEireann 2 years ago
I rly dont understand by what you mean by "homeland 4 ulster scots" , most people in the 6 counties dont consider themselves ulster scots anyway. Most people would either say British or Irish. And why does being part of the UK give Ulster scots a homeland? Surely you realise England arent Ulster Scoth either?! Like if u were in a united Ireland at least youd be united to people who are more closely related to the Ulster Scots.
OglachnahEireann 2 years ago 2
Take off the nationalist goggles and realise that 'Ireland' (only a concept in the eyes of idiots), historically', has always been 'divided and fucked up'.
ERPBLIverpool 2 years ago
Historically britain has always been divided & fucked up the only thing that unites scotland wales & Ireland is we all hate the english even the unionists over here hate the english
seandelaney2 2 years ago
'Historically' Ireland has never been United. Not once. Oh yes it was once, under British rule!
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
workin class lads shouting for
mangebag 3 years ago
I'm not sure what you mean?
worcesterjonny 3 years ago
Brilliant!
redhanddefender11 3 years ago
read the words of wolf tone i can tell u in all honesty either u are miss led or u r actually evil.what goes around comes around.your irish
mangebag 3 years ago
wtf are you babbling about scumfuck? You don't even fucking know me - I said 1 word "brilliant". If you want a fucking fight likes take this elsewhere cuntiballs!
redhanddefender11 3 years ago
dont worry about him pal, just another wee sectarian, bigoted catholic.
ulsterconfederate 2 years ago
wolfe tone? oh yea a PROTESTANT. its funny that the man you all look up to was a pROTESTANT you lot couldent lead yourselves or have and were totaly unorganised it just shows u need a prod to do it rite
tate247 2 years ago
shut your fuckin hole you backward cunt,go find out the meaning of the irish flag you retard! collins got the brits out anyway!
mangebag 2 years ago
Wolfe tone failed but why are unionist so obsessed with religeon only 30% of the population in the north regularly attend a church service there are only a small number of people who are actually catholic or protestant
seandelaney2 2 years ago
First Class mate!
We can never forget the men and women who defended Ulster, including the many who made the ultimate sacrifice for the Union.
FermanaghPort 3 years ago
i think the jungle books better
beggo321 3 years ago