Ask Socialist Obama where his equal Socialist world works. Not one country has ever made it work. Plus I do not want to call you comrade. He is a Socialist-Progressive. Progressive does not equal progress. It means big government and spreading the wealth. From the haves to the have nots in his attempt to make us all have the same. To all of you who believe in this please tell me one country where this has worked.
If we had a more pure capitalism without welfare, Medicare and other take from the haves and give to the not haves it would work. I live near an Indian casino. With all the money each member makes it is a ghetto our there. They were all given, key word given, that now 10 years later look like a ghetto. No yards, junk and old cars and more of the younger people doing drugs, drinking and buying guns. Why is this, it is not due to the lack of funds. Socialism fail
Your thoughts need to be heard!!! Do you back Obama's new Health Care plan? Go over to my you tube profile to discover just why Y0UR thoughts matters !!!
i suspect some individuals would want to have violent revenge on health care industries after a dead family member or child because of denied claim. Desperate people do desperate things. sort of like labor riots in the 20's.
They probably will. Violent revenge requires much less work ethic and thinking than actually saving a life from working; and consequently buying healthcare.
@Liberaltouchet I moved up to new york to live with my grandparents and better my life, I am 19 working full time going to college to become a music producer. EVEN IF I COULD AFFORD HEALTH CARE I would still tell all you close minded greedy scum bags to FUCK OFF
@imadamg My family of 4 insurance plan will go up to $2000 from $1497 01.01.2011. I called and asked why, they gave me this reason than that then they finally said because of Obamacare. Socialist Obama wants all Americans to have the same. the poor and the rich. So he wants to take from the rich some of which have earned it and try and bring up every one else so all of America is living in the same house with the same car and the same insurance. This does not work. Look at Cube, N. Korea.
Now the Obama administration is talking about taxing your health care insurance. The health care system he said will be like his own and the same as congress ... Well that's a lie. He and congress are exempt. He fooled you didn't he. McCain's policy is workable, but too complicated for liberals to understand. It is much easier to lie and say health care is a right. You liberals can understand that. That means it is free .... YEA! A lesson, rights are free, health care is not. Obama lies.
we dont need health care reform as much as we need good paying jobs for the people so they can afford health care.lot of people working 3 min wage jobs part time with no health care.we need to quit shipping our jobs to china and start paying the people enough they can live!!!just look at the mess the govt has made of social security and worker comp.what u want to have a attorney just to get health care too?
bo stinks and so do his bigger goverment ideas.we need to vote all these jokers out.
No surprise that California, one of the richest but most liberal state, especially in fiscal term, is on the edge of bankruptcy. Now Californian socialist model with its highest tax rate, strictest enviromental protection rules, and very generous welfare and healthcare systems is copied by Obama administration with its ambitious, costly health care reform of one trillion dollars for everybody including 12 milliions illegal immigrants who would be naturalized under Obama immigration reform.
what's the matter with this society. Don't you know that something as basic as health care should be offered and available to everyone. Anti-healthcare form activist are people who truly don't give a damn about anyone other than themselves and their own pockets. It behooves our society to have healthy people who can work and contribute, not sick or disabled people who can't. You see the health care system currently in place. Ask yourself: Is this working? If you have half a brain, No!
@blkimble I am one of the Americans who doesn't have health care. And I don't agree with you. In the past three months I read the "Obamacare" bill. Even though I didn't understand a lot of it, I got the idea. Did you know that if I do not want to accept his healthcare that I will get fined ? Also, Obama says you can keep your insurance-it is not really true. It says you can keep your insurance AS LONG as your rates do not change at all not even a penny and it doesn't matter if they go up or DOWN
I know that the americans hate raised taxes but if they had a heart and just a bit of a brain they would offer that for free health care for people that cant afford it.
Obama wants to create a "death panel" that would deny care to the neediest Americans. You will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. The Democratic health care bills would encourage euthanasia. The reform plans will lead to rationing, or the government determining which medical procedures a patient can have.
Today you go to the doctor, if you're diagnosed with a serious illness you discuss treatment with your doctor and you decide how to move forward. Under the Obama plan you stand in front of a Board that will tell YOU how to be treated. On this board will be bureaucrats like a labor union rep (SEIU thug) why would you want to give your life away? You are still free! Snap out of it.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.
Let's see how the Obammunists "spin" this. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, go directly to jail! Obama is looking out for us?
And in this seemingly redemptive offering, Obama may be promising what only God can actually deliver, in the form of yet another, more eloquent, version of the same old utopian dream that started with Rousseau and Marx.
I have the bill on PDF (aval. on internet from the house of rep.) Page 425 does in fact require anAdvance Care Planning Consultation every 5 yrs. It includes living wills and durable
powers of attorney, and their uses. (E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.
I hate that in Texas, you CANT get medical insurance if you had pre existing conditions, and if you sign a waiver on some conditions, they will give you insurance, but you PAY DOUBLE. I say we do need health care reform. Of course republicans dont want it because this is their bread in butter.
COBRA Insurance is a JOKE. How can someone keep their medical insurance if they lost their job, at COBRA?!! It's freakin expensive!!! A friend of mine just lost his job, and he was going to get COBRA, but they wanted a $700.00 a month for a family of 3. That's NUTS
I agree with trommylee; I'm Candian and I have free health care, and that means everything included, wheter it be a 75,00 dollar operation, or a consultation. Socialism is not entirely bad, and Americans already have froms of socialism, such as, the Baliouts, Firman, Poloce. That's all talking money from the public sector and instituting it into the public for the greater good.
why is everyone so afraid of Universal health coverage? i hope no Conservative finds himself in the position of having a price tag put on his young life, knowing that the treatment is there but he can't afford it. i wonder where his conservative values will take him then? Universal single-payer health coverage isn't some scary 'liberal' idea. it's civilized, humane and very American. divide and conquer...everything they don't want U to have has a scary 'ism' attached to it.
The thing is, if the government runs healthcare, the treatments WON'T be there when they need it. Government can't run anything well, much less something as complicated as healthcare. Look at the rationing in Canada. Your right to a waiting list is not a right to healthcare.
conservatives say if gov't pays for healthcare, it'll automatically be a bad thing. there's no cause and effect relation between single-payer and bad care. it's simply conservative scare tactics. talk of waiting in line makes no sense 2 me, either. we stand in line already for almost everything. i'd rather stand in line than be denied care that is available, because of money. HMOs exist to RATION healthcare already. and those who say gov't can do anything right should stop running 4 office.
1) The U.S the shortest waiting times in the world for healthcare.
2) Your right to a waiting list is not a right to healthcare
3) You'll never spend someone elses money as carefully as you will your own. When the government spends money, it's never their own, which is one of the many reasons everything the government touches turns to shit. I.E. Post office, DMV, public schools..etc.
4) HMO'S are not free market healthcare. It's also a 3rd party, protected from competition by the government
Our postal system is stellar. You say it is not?? What exactly is wrong with it? I use to ship all over the world. I have NEVER had them break anything, NEVER.
Public schools are shit? You could do better???
What about our highway system?? Police departments? Fire departments?? ALL shit, right??
You'll never spend some1 else's money, or take care of some1 else's property as carefully as you will your own, which is why government programs are so lousy.
"Our postal system is stellar."
WHAT!? Have you ever actually been to a post office, kiddo? It's a filthy, dirty mess, the lines are horendously long, and the employers have been reduced to drones.
Tell me, which is better: FedEx(private) or the Post Office(public) Public schools or private schools? Public housing or private homes?
FedEx and the USPS don't have people lives in their hands. CIGNA, Blue Cross, and all the other insurance companies do. There's the difference. When FedEx competes with the USPS, no one dies. Healthcare is not a business. It's people's lives.
WTF? You said: You'll never spend someone elses money as carefully as you will your own. That is true if you are buying a car, it is a little different for the $100,000 you need for heart surgery! There is no such thing as "Free market health insurance". All those fuckers have been doing is competing to NOT insure anyone that is sick and competing to RAISE prices, not lower them. They were warned when Hillary started working on it. They didn't pay attention! They should have!
Why is that different? Weather it's a car or a heart surgery, if you're spending your money, you'll get the best for every buck. Again, the HMO system in place in the U.S. is a product of the Federal government. Richard Nixon and Edgar Keizer enacted them in 1971.
Well that makes a lot of sense. HMO's are such a complete failure, my oldest brother died because an HMO denied him care. So, ask your neighbors if they have enough in their bank accounts right now to have heart surgery!
Can you live without a car? How about a heart? That's why it's different. I can buy a car that runs well for about $4000. Try finding a heart that runs well for that much.
1) I have spinabifida and I have a VP shunt. I went to the ER with a headache and waited there for literally 12 hours before my CT scan to find out I needed surgery. That's acceptable?
2) There are waiting lists now. Unless of course your name is Steve Jobs and you need a liver.
3) Let me know when you don't get a fire put out or don't have a military to defend you, then complain about government run programs.
Amen Trommylee! There is also the Republicans that say we shouldn't mess with the healthcare insurance system because we are messing with the free market. Umm! The free market is when you go to your local hardware store to buy a hammer for $20 and you decide to go to Home Depot to buy it for $15. You need a kidney or chemo, well, where do you go? You don't. Your fucked. I hope the public option puts every health insurance company out of business. They have been raping us for too long!
Not to mention that the bailouts of private banks were started under Bush (a Republican) and if you go way back Reagan (also a Republican) bailed out Chrysler in the eighties. So when did they suddenly pick up this philosophy of not interfering with the free market? Seems like they've made a habit of it. I have no more pity on companies like Blue Cross, who have let people die, than I do companies like RJ Reynolds who also kill their customers.
who idea was/is it to have the government control the health care and tell us were we get treated and what meds we can take?? My friend told me this but I think she's wrong. Can some one tell me if this is true??
Obama's plans and policies are shots in the dark, he wants to make a plan that was already proven faulty(canada and new zealands health care), and putting it in America. He wants to tax tha merican people just so he could fuel this plan. Doctors will not see a reason to work and soon the quailty will be destroyed and waiting lists will be counted by months
tell mccain that small business is the backbone of the economy. He's the one whose plan puts more money in the pockets of big businesses, not small businesses. Besides, healthcare should be a top priority for businesses, and they'd be likely to attract a lot less workers by not offering it, and I think that workers, and their well-being, are a bit more important than saving a couple thou a year.
McCain allows you to keep your plan with a tax credit, while Obama's plan creates a whole new government agency to oversee healthcare. Small businesses that can't afford to purchase healthcare for their employees will be mandated to purchase it or face fines, driving more small business out of business. As we all know, small business is the backbone of our economy. Obama's plan ends up costing us more and government spends more to maintain his plan. Obama No!
How about just simply doing what England does and Canada does ... health care should NOT BE ABOUT PROFIT ... were talking about taking care of each other in our time of need not sucking money outta each other pocket... jesus people enough is enough ... HR676 needs to pass ... lets say goodbye to the murder machine called managed care....
LOL ... what do you mean not everyone needs health care ? your a human being aren't you ? that means any day at any time you could need major medical help ... do you not get that ? you just NEVER KNOW when sickness can come knocking ... be care full what you wish for bro
i've had my share of bad medical history, the point is if people can't afford health care, how can they afford everyday items around them going up in price?
exactly ... so lets fix health care so everyone is covered and reliever the burden of paying HUGE insurance premiums and in turn it will help the economy and keep Americans healthier because they will be more likely to GO to the doctor for preventive care ... right now people are paying outrages insurance premiums and people with pre existing conditions cant even get insurance
lets say they get their so called free health care they will still bitch and moan saying oh were poor, rich people are ignorant and stupid. they can bitch and moan all they want obama isn'nt even stupid enough to believe that only you and fellow liberals.
lol.. McCain called that shit. "Mandates" if vote for Obama.
robfoundaclue 1 month ago
Ask Socialist Obama where his equal Socialist world works. Not one country has ever made it work. Plus I do not want to call you comrade. He is a Socialist-Progressive. Progressive does not equal progress. It means big government and spreading the wealth. From the haves to the have nots in his attempt to make us all have the same. To all of you who believe in this please tell me one country where this has worked.
bnjones28 1 year ago
@bnjones28 Where in the world has Capitalism worked?
rickyperu22 10 months ago
@rickyperu22
ahhh,, here
If we had a more pure capitalism without welfare, Medicare and other take from the haves and give to the not haves it would work. I live near an Indian casino. With all the money each member makes it is a ghetto our there. They were all given, key word given, that now 10 years later look like a ghetto. No yards, junk and old cars and more of the younger people doing drugs, drinking and buying guns. Why is this, it is not due to the lack of funds. Socialism fail
bnjones28 9 months ago
mccain is so stupid
ChivaStar159 1 year ago
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Wilone328 1 year ago
Haha. McCain is talking so much BS in this clip.
dudz40 1 year ago
i suspect some individuals would want to have violent revenge on health care industries after a dead family member or child because of denied claim. Desperate people do desperate things. sort of like labor riots in the 20's.
dinamo4889 2 years ago
They probably will. Violent revenge requires much less work ethic and thinking than actually saving a life from working; and consequently buying healthcare.
I'll keep my money, you can keep the change.
cagefite007 1 year ago
Yeah well everyone against this fuck off
because i dont have health care, along with probably half of america
imadamg 2 years ago 7
@imadamg but yet you have internet access and a computer. What else did you spend your money on, but not have health care.
Its alright, I'll get the last laugh when you are mandated to pay for it.
Liberaltouchet 1 year ago
@Liberaltouchet I moved up to new york to live with my grandparents and better my life, I am 19 working full time going to college to become a music producer. EVEN IF I COULD AFFORD HEALTH CARE I would still tell all you close minded greedy scum bags to FUCK OFF
imadamg 1 year ago
@imadamg
yes i understand. I am only covered for something catastrophic. my limited insurance does not entitle me doctor visits, or prescription drugs.
So if something is seriously wrong me I guess I'll die.
That's how the Insurance companies screwed me over. I can't afford their deductibles so therefore they deny me health coverage.
I have limited insurance in the case of a severe accident, or extreme emergency, but that's all I have. So I guess I go without.
pluto4847 1 year ago
@imadamg My family of 4 insurance plan will go up to $2000 from $1497 01.01.2011. I called and asked why, they gave me this reason than that then they finally said because of Obamacare. Socialist Obama wants all Americans to have the same. the poor and the rich. So he wants to take from the rich some of which have earned it and try and bring up every one else so all of America is living in the same house with the same car and the same insurance. This does not work. Look at Cube, N. Korea.
bnjones28 1 year ago
Thank you. I usually get a lot of swear words thrown at me by some lunatic liberal that can not conceive of a logical thought.
t8114jg 2 years ago
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t8114jg 2 years ago
lmao holy shit listen to obamas plan and then mccains. 5,000 tax credit lmao!
hubbleslaw 2 years ago
Now the Obama administration is talking about taxing your health care insurance. The health care system he said will be like his own and the same as congress ... Well that's a lie. He and congress are exempt. He fooled you didn't he. McCain's policy is workable, but too complicated for liberals to understand. It is much easier to lie and say health care is a right. You liberals can understand that. That means it is free .... YEA! A lesson, rights are free, health care is not. Obama lies.
t8114jg 2 years ago
you poor miserable maggot
cpurkey 2 years ago
I wish their was more people like you.
aprilmarco 2 years ago
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we dont need health care reform as much as we need good paying jobs for the people so they can afford health care.lot of people working 3 min wage jobs part time with no health care.we need to quit shipping our jobs to china and start paying the people enough they can live!!!just look at the mess the govt has made of social security and worker comp.what u want to have a attorney just to get health care too?
bo stinks and so do his bigger goverment ideas.we need to vote all these jokers out.
ez3usx2 2 years ago
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No surprise that California, one of the richest but most liberal state, especially in fiscal term, is on the edge of bankruptcy. Now Californian socialist model with its highest tax rate, strictest enviromental protection rules, and very generous welfare and healthcare systems is copied by Obama administration with its ambitious, costly health care reform of one trillion dollars for everybody including 12 milliions illegal immigrants who would be naturalized under Obama immigration reform.
TOMP66666 2 years ago
what's the matter with this society. Don't you know that something as basic as health care should be offered and available to everyone. Anti-healthcare form activist are people who truly don't give a damn about anyone other than themselves and their own pockets. It behooves our society to have healthy people who can work and contribute, not sick or disabled people who can't. You see the health care system currently in place. Ask yourself: Is this working? If you have half a brain, No!
blkimble 2 years ago
@blkimble I am one of the Americans who doesn't have health care. And I don't agree with you. In the past three months I read the "Obamacare" bill. Even though I didn't understand a lot of it, I got the idea. Did you know that if I do not want to accept his healthcare that I will get fined ? Also, Obama says you can keep your insurance-it is not really true. It says you can keep your insurance AS LONG as your rates do not change at all not even a penny and it doesn't matter if they go up or DOWN
DavyCrockettFan1 1 year ago
I laughed at McCain's plan!!
was he serious!?
imadamg 2 years ago
I know that the americans hate raised taxes but if they had a heart and just a bit of a brain they would offer that for free health care for people that cant afford it.
zxcnjfrsfg 2 years ago
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Obama wants to create a "death panel" that would deny care to the neediest Americans. You will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. The Democratic health care bills would encourage euthanasia. The reform plans will lead to rationing, or the government determining which medical procedures a patient can have.
hellotommy 2 years ago
LMAO!!!
You are brainwashed by Republican media.
What do you think private insurance does... invade your privacy to decide whether you are insurable.
Pretty sure what you are looking for, if you want to up life expectancy, is Gov. Health care
imadamg 2 years ago
Today you go to the doctor, if you're diagnosed with a serious illness you discuss treatment with your doctor and you decide how to move forward. Under the Obama plan you stand in front of a Board that will tell YOU how to be treated. On this board will be bureaucrats like a labor union rep (SEIU thug) why would you want to give your life away? You are still free! Snap out of it.
hellotommy 2 years ago
hellotommy: this is only fear mongering/speculation/ and opinion...next?
MajNorberg 2 years ago
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Obamacare: Buy insurance or go to jail!
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.
Let's see how the Obammunists "spin" this. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, go directly to jail! Obama is looking out for us?
They're gonna need a bigger jail.
BTW, Obama is lying in this clip
hellotommy 2 years ago
Sorry, we now need to raise your taxes again to pay for more prison space...
hellotommy 2 years ago
The REAL reason behind Obamacare at 0:20 --centralized data base of all medical records.
looperdude2009 2 years ago
Obama's Politics of Collective Redemption
By Kyle-Anne Shiver
And in this seemingly redemptive offering, Obama may be promising what only God can actually deliver, in the form of yet another, more eloquent, version of the same old utopian dream that started with Rousseau and Marx.
teton99 2 years ago
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I have the bill on PDF (aval. on internet from the house of rep.) Page 425 does in fact require anAdvance Care Planning Consultation every 5 yrs. It includes living wills and durable
powers of attorney, and their uses. (E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.
Rationing creeping death for the elderly.
hellotommy 2 years ago
LLORT3 and RadarGuidedVermin
The essence of debates in politics, dumbed down incredibly.
smasher32 2 years ago
no u
LLORT3 2 years ago
I think all Americans deserve healthcare, whether they can pay for it or not.
Is it a right? I dunno but it should be.
-LLORT3
LLORT3 2 years ago
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RadarGuidedVermin 2 years ago
Jerk.
LLORT3 2 years ago
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RadarGuidedVermin 2 years ago
Jackass.
LLORT3 2 years ago
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RadarGuidedVermin 2 years ago
Republican.
LLORT3 2 years ago
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RadarGuidedVermin 2 years ago
American.
LLORT3 2 years ago
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RadarGuidedVermin 2 years ago
Baby killer.
LLORT3 2 years ago
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RadarGuidedVermin 2 years ago
Penis licker.
LLORT3 2 years ago
I hate that in Texas, you CANT get medical insurance if you had pre existing conditions, and if you sign a waiver on some conditions, they will give you insurance, but you PAY DOUBLE. I say we do need health care reform. Of course republicans dont want it because this is their bread in butter.
donscrizz 2 years ago
COBRA Insurance is a JOKE. How can someone keep their medical insurance if they lost their job, at COBRA?!! It's freakin expensive!!! A friend of mine just lost his job, and he was going to get COBRA, but they wanted a $700.00 a month for a family of 3. That's NUTS
donscrizz 2 years ago
No wonder this guy won. Watching this again is still impressive.
hoodoo961 2 years ago
I agree with trommylee; I'm Candian and I have free health care, and that means everything included, wheter it be a 75,00 dollar operation, or a consultation. Socialism is not entirely bad, and Americans already have froms of socialism, such as, the Baliouts, Firman, Poloce. That's all talking money from the public sector and instituting it into the public for the greater good.
collinlecam 3 years ago
Great Conment !!! If It's OK With You I Want To Use Your Argument To Fight Republicans On Youtube. Can I use It ?
07liberian 2 years ago
It's a stupid argument so, go ahead an use it, comrade ; )
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
So Far It Has Been Working.
07liberian 2 years ago
The arguments for banning gay marriage have been working lol, that has nothing to do with the arguments being good.
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
My Original Comment Was 2 Months Ago. I Kinda Moved On!
07liberian 2 years ago
The point still stands. Your time derangements aside.
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
WhaTEVER!
07liberian 2 years ago
why is everyone so afraid of Universal health coverage? i hope no Conservative finds himself in the position of having a price tag put on his young life, knowing that the treatment is there but he can't afford it. i wonder where his conservative values will take him then? Universal single-payer health coverage isn't some scary 'liberal' idea. it's civilized, humane and very American. divide and conquer...everything they don't want U to have has a scary 'ism' attached to it.
Trommylee 3 years ago
The thing is, if the government runs healthcare, the treatments WON'T be there when they need it. Government can't run anything well, much less something as complicated as healthcare. Look at the rationing in Canada. Your right to a waiting list is not a right to healthcare.
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
conservatives say if gov't pays for healthcare, it'll automatically be a bad thing. there's no cause and effect relation between single-payer and bad care. it's simply conservative scare tactics. talk of waiting in line makes no sense 2 me, either. we stand in line already for almost everything. i'd rather stand in line than be denied care that is available, because of money. HMOs exist to RATION healthcare already. and those who say gov't can do anything right should stop running 4 office.
Trommylee 2 years ago
1) The U.S the shortest waiting times in the world for healthcare.
2) Your right to a waiting list is not a right to healthcare
3) You'll never spend someone elses money as carefully as you will your own. When the government spends money, it's never their own, which is one of the many reasons everything the government touches turns to shit. I.E. Post office, DMV, public schools..etc.
4) HMO'S are not free market healthcare. It's also a 3rd party, protected from competition by the government
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
Again, more bullshit.
Our postal system is stellar. You say it is not?? What exactly is wrong with it? I use to ship all over the world. I have NEVER had them break anything, NEVER.
Public schools are shit? You could do better???
What about our highway system?? Police departments? Fire departments?? ALL shit, right??
FranzHess 2 years ago
You'll never spend some1 else's money, or take care of some1 else's property as carefully as you will your own, which is why government programs are so lousy.
"Our postal system is stellar."
WHAT!? Have you ever actually been to a post office, kiddo? It's a filthy, dirty mess, the lines are horendously long, and the employers have been reduced to drones.
Tell me, which is better: FedEx(private) or the Post Office(public) Public schools or private schools? Public housing or private homes?
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
FedEx and the USPS don't have people lives in their hands. CIGNA, Blue Cross, and all the other insurance companies do. There's the difference. When FedEx competes with the USPS, no one dies. Healthcare is not a business. It's people's lives.
drew081886 2 years ago
WTF? You said: You'll never spend someone elses money as carefully as you will your own. That is true if you are buying a car, it is a little different for the $100,000 you need for heart surgery! There is no such thing as "Free market health insurance". All those fuckers have been doing is competing to NOT insure anyone that is sick and competing to RAISE prices, not lower them. They were warned when Hillary started working on it. They didn't pay attention! They should have!
phillipmarch22 2 years ago
Why is that different? Weather it's a car or a heart surgery, if you're spending your money, you'll get the best for every buck. Again, the HMO system in place in the U.S. is a product of the Federal government. Richard Nixon and Edgar Keizer enacted them in 1971.
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
Well that makes a lot of sense. HMO's are such a complete failure, my oldest brother died because an HMO denied him care. So, ask your neighbors if they have enough in their bank accounts right now to have heart surgery!
phillipmarch22 2 years ago
Can you live without a car? How about a heart? That's why it's different. I can buy a car that runs well for about $4000. Try finding a heart that runs well for that much.
drew081886 2 years ago
1) I have spinabifida and I have a VP shunt. I went to the ER with a headache and waited there for literally 12 hours before my CT scan to find out I needed surgery. That's acceptable?
2) There are waiting lists now. Unless of course your name is Steve Jobs and you need a liver.
3) Let me know when you don't get a fire put out or don't have a military to defend you, then complain about government run programs.
drew081886 2 years ago
Amen Trommylee! There is also the Republicans that say we shouldn't mess with the healthcare insurance system because we are messing with the free market. Umm! The free market is when you go to your local hardware store to buy a hammer for $20 and you decide to go to Home Depot to buy it for $15. You need a kidney or chemo, well, where do you go? You don't. Your fucked. I hope the public option puts every health insurance company out of business. They have been raping us for too long!
phillipmarch22 2 years ago
Not to mention that the bailouts of private banks were started under Bush (a Republican) and if you go way back Reagan (also a Republican) bailed out Chrysler in the eighties. So when did they suddenly pick up this philosophy of not interfering with the free market? Seems like they've made a habit of it. I have no more pity on companies like Blue Cross, who have let people die, than I do companies like RJ Reynolds who also kill their customers.
drew081886 2 years ago
Typical nonsense against universal healthcare.
FranzHess 2 years ago
Typical economic and philosophical illiteracy from an intellectual lightweight : )
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
okay turn this around, we are the richest country in the world, (usa) we also have the best medicine. And we are not using universal health care.
lambofwassy2 3 years ago
who idea was/is it to have the government control the health care and tell us were we get treated and what meds we can take?? My friend told me this but I think she's wrong. Can some one tell me if this is true??
EKL1400 3 years ago
Obama's plans and policies are shots in the dark, he wants to make a plan that was already proven faulty(canada and new zealands health care), and putting it in America. He wants to tax tha merican people just so he could fuel this plan. Doctors will not see a reason to work and soon the quailty will be destroyed and waiting lists will be counted by months
MisterTriangle 3 years ago
were fucked with obama winning, but he is our president we still need to hope he does the right thing.
lambofwassy2 3 years ago
tell mccain that small business is the backbone of the economy. He's the one whose plan puts more money in the pockets of big businesses, not small businesses. Besides, healthcare should be a top priority for businesses, and they'd be likely to attract a lot less workers by not offering it, and I think that workers, and their well-being, are a bit more important than saving a couple thou a year.
poeticgibberish 3 years ago
McCain allows you to keep your plan with a tax credit, while Obama's plan creates a whole new government agency to oversee healthcare. Small businesses that can't afford to purchase healthcare for their employees will be mandated to purchase it or face fines, driving more small business out of business. As we all know, small business is the backbone of our economy. Obama's plan ends up costing us more and government spends more to maintain his plan. Obama No!
NAGGERNUTZ 3 years ago
How about just simply doing what England does and Canada does ... health care should NOT BE ABOUT PROFIT ... were talking about taking care of each other in our time of need not sucking money outta each other pocket... jesus people enough is enough ... HR676 needs to pass ... lets say goodbye to the murder machine called managed care....
funkyflights 3 years ago
I agree. I've read HR676. We could have better health care and pay less than what we are now. It's a great bill.
NAGGERNUTZ 3 years ago
the bad part about that is not everyone needs healthcare and those who dont are screwed!
lambofwassy2 3 years ago
LOL ... what do you mean not everyone needs health care ? your a human being aren't you ? that means any day at any time you could need major medical help ... do you not get that ? you just NEVER KNOW when sickness can come knocking ... be care full what you wish for bro
funkyflights 3 years ago
i've had my share of bad medical history, the point is if people can't afford health care, how can they afford everyday items around them going up in price?
lambofwassy2 3 years ago
exactly ... so lets fix health care so everyone is covered and reliever the burden of paying HUGE insurance premiums and in turn it will help the economy and keep Americans healthier because they will be more likely to GO to the doctor for preventive care ... right now people are paying outrages insurance premiums and people with pre existing conditions cant even get insurance
funkyflights 3 years ago
okay, canada is universal health care right? But were the only country who can afford the best health care.
lambofwassy2 3 years ago
Tell that to the families who are going bankrupt from medical bills and families that cant afford to pay there outrages premiums...
funkyflights 3 years ago
lets say they get their so called free health care they will still bitch and moan saying oh were poor, rich people are ignorant and stupid. they can bitch and moan all they want obama isn'nt even stupid enough to believe that only you and fellow liberals.
lambofwassy2 3 years ago
obama lets me keep my health care mcCain taxes it so i loose
it through my job then will pay double for it keep your 5thou mccain
i cant aford 7 to 10 thou out of my pocket want the good health care
I have through work and those with out any obamas plan is wonderful
they get as good of health care as kenedy gets awsome its sad 18,000
adults die each year do to lack of health care lack
of health insurance killed 13 working-age Americans each week
stme2008 3 years ago
One hand giveth, the other, taketh away...
LOL, Obama would know all about that.
kittyprydex 3 years ago
Obama said he wants to use Medicare's purchasing power to get price reductions on drugs.
See how this was derailed by the GOP on the CBSNews/60 Minutes website. Search: Under the Influence.
1.)GOP had 1000+ lobbyists to kill the bill.
2.)Waited for C-Span to go off air.
3.)Kept a 15-minute vote open for hours.
4.)Harassed their own; left one in tears.
5.)Accepted lucrative lobby positions in the drug industry.
6.)Smirked that, if you don't like it -don't watch.
It's all there. It's YOUR GOP.
luvofcountry 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Obama fails to tell American that surgeries for cancer will take upwards of two years -
watch?v=aE-I0ombIEY
Don't be fooled by Obama's healthcare -
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