10 Tevet 5770 celebration in Melbourne, Oz, Part 2

[Partos89]

you are all dirty animals, kofrim, apikorsim

[TVscorp]

If the Rebbe would have wanted people to eat on the fast days, don't you think he would have done so himself? But he didn't. Don't tell me he did it in hiding, because that is counter productive. If he would have felt there should be a seudah, then he would have had a farbrengen and made kiddush like every holiday and shabbos. But all the fast days were as they always were.

[770azr]

regretfully youtube does not allow links other than youtube links on these comments. so i sent you the link for pdf file of names on your address mikerosenfeld5995. it's from the site psakdin.net.

[mikerosenfeld5995]

WOW this is so interesting

who were the 250 rabbis you said agree the the rebbe being moshiach

if you can get a list of them that would be amazing

[770azr]

@Malki770 the Rambam clearly says from the start of the Days of Moshiach (and the Rebbe MHM said it on more than one occasion that we are in the Days of Moshiach) the fast will be abolished. Nowhere in Rambam (and the Rebbe MHM) it says you have to wait for the 3rd Bais Hamikdash to be erected to stop fasting.

[Malki770]

@770azr ...you are mistaken the redemption isnt here yet we have yet to be redeemed..hence the saying "Hasten the coming of the redemption"..We celebrate when the temple is build not before. Its great to celebrate before the wedding but its not the wedding date yet. Its kinda like wearing a sheitel before your wedding day. Passionate and driven but also rebelious.

[770azr]

@Malki770 If you are interested, I can share some very helpful links with you - it's not private information, but YouTube does not allow for link locations in comment areas. So if you want to contact me on our site Honk4joy.com - you are more than welcome. Peace and blessings - joy of Geula!

[Malki770]

come on guys we all know the rebbe meant the final geula...we shouldnt celebrate until the 3rd bais hamikdash is errected. Now thats a cause for celebration.Until then i think we should fast..its the right thing..fasting silences the yetzer hara eating just pleasures it..by taking away our pleasure we are telling Hashem Ad Mattai!...This situation reminds me of tribe of Dan in Shelach that rose to Eretz Israel before the right time and got smote by the Amaleikites. Don't make the same mistake

[770azr]

@Malki770 Regarding yetzer hara, in Besuras Hageula, the Rebbe MHM clearly says that the world is completely purified including our physical bodies and ready for the revelation of the highest lights. Also there the Rebbe MHM says (in the present tense) that we are sitting at the wedding feast at the prepared table with Hashem, leviatan, etc. So you want to fast at the feast?

[Malki770]

@770azr I understand your passion but I dont see eye to eye with you. I do not feel like i am sitting at a wedding feast when the dome of the rock is where our temple is supposed to be..when the world condemns us when we are innocent....when moshe rabbeinu and david hamelech isnt making l'chayim.I believe that Masiach is right around the corner inches away from us and instead of changing now what they have been doing for a thousand years we should just stick together

[770azr]

@Malki770 It's not about you and me - our believes, feelings, seeing, understanding and passion. It's about the prophet, the Rebbe King Moshiach, and what he announced - simple and clear facts which you can learn from Besuras Hageula (Announcement of Redemption) approved by the Rebbe MHM himself . Joyous "opening the eyes" to all of us - the ONLY thing needed to see the true reality according to the Rebbe MHM.

[elshpen]

Thank GD that the Chabad shule where I used to daven stopped this nonsense after the Rebbe zt"l died.

[LEOBIM2008]

Welcome, newest Jesus Christ!!! Such a funny desecration of Y-H-W-H!!!!!

Will you celebrate Tisha be-Av as a great Feast!!! I am waiting for you to move forward and to teach us that Shneerson will come back seond time!

[triskofuf]

When the rebbe said that quote do you think for a moment that he ate on 10 Teves G-d forbid! You are no longer acting jewish and like shabtai zvi you are abrogating torah. Its not you guys im worried about but your innocent wives and children. Its terribly sad what you are stooping to but i know the gates of teshuvah always remain open.

[leonardglass01]

To days Tanya [12 Shvat] speaks about; "...The hiding of the face cause klipa to come into existence..."

Therefore we must sat that when we; Mekable Pnein Moshiach, Greet the face of the Moshiach there can be no klipa. As it is imposible to greet when it is hidden, therefore it can not be in a hidden state.

HuHa

[leonardglass01]

After the Mammer, the Rebbe said:

"Hear my words! In Chabad the Rebbes have always asked their chasidim to act on their own initiative. This precisely is what distinguishes Chabad from the Chassidus of Poland. As much as it is in out power to help, we will help, bur know that serving G-D with ones' own strength is their essential thing.

Printed in Days of Chasidus.

compiled by Rabbi y. y. Kaminetsky Page 119

Did you see "Ones' own inititive?"

What does that mean?

[leonardglass01]

"Asarah BeTeves thus first and foremost reminds the Jew that the manner in which to nullify any and all 'afflictions' and 'maladies' is through 'baseless love' of ones' fellow Jew, & as expressed in its' most complete state, absolute unity among the Jewish People.

This in turn, will lead to the nullification of these sorrowful fasts days,21so that they will be transformed-with Moshiachs' arrival-into a Yom Yov and days of joy and gladness.22;21/ Rambam Hilchos Tannis;22/Likutei SichosV. XXVp267

[leonardglass01]

"This also helps explain a crucial aspect of the future status of these mournful fast days: In the eara of Moshiach these days will not only cease to be fast days, they will actually be transformed into Yomin Tovim and days of gladness and rejoicing" [foot note 23 See Toefos on Moed Katan 23b.] The Chassidic Dimension SIE pp.154-155.

Based on Likkutei Sichos, Vol XXXIII, pp 156- 163

[leonardglass01]

Vayishlach, Dvar Malchus, 16 kislev 5752 The Rebbe MH'M Shlita, Avodas Birrurim (the service of refining the world) is concluded and perfected.

the Lubavitcher Rebbe MH"M Shlita, made the astonishing statement: that the divine service of the Jewish people in exile—refining the sparks of kedusha that had fallen into this lowest of worlds—has been completed. Even the tshuva of the Jewish people has been done.

[leonardglass01]

Tanya: p. 954 ...when all the sparks have been disencoumbered, then the Shechinah is altogether freed from its exile and Israel is redeemeed: the Messianic Era is ushered in. [21]

[ 21 ] Etz Chaim 3:6, 19:3, 26:1.Zohar 111: 4a ff. 11: 189a, 11179a,Tanya 1 chs 17, 37, 45

[GodIsAngry770]

God Is Angry !!

He is making earthquakes - it is a sign!

Repent now !- Moshiach is only here in concept, not in reality.

[mordijoseph]

Zelig & Alex,

You quote first quote Rambam's ruling that it is a Mitzvah to feast when Moshiach has come. You then go on to show a video which the Lubaviticher Rebbe זצ״ל who quotes the Freidiker Rebbe זצ״ל that we are in the "Days of Moshiach" in a "Simple Sense"

Clearly the Rebbe knew what he said and knows what Rambam states. Yet the Rebbe fasted on all fasts.

Are you saying that you know better than the Rebbe?

Did the Rebbe זצ״ל instruct us to eat on the fasts?

[770azr]

@mordijoseph There is a psak din that came out in the 1990s signed by Rabbi Marlow and few other rabbis to the effect that one shouldn't write "toarei histalkus" (titles for someone who passed away) after the Rebbe Melech Hamoshiach's name.

[mordijoseph]

Whilst you are discussing Psak Din, can you let me know which Rabbinic Court or Rabbi issued a Psak Din that says you can make a feast on a Fast Day?

You still didn't answer the questions as stated above!!!

Clearly if the Rebbe זי״ע stated these things when he was alive and kept Shulchan Aruch, what makes you think you know better than the Rebbe זי״ע

[eli057]

you are making a huge error, based on ignorance. The Rebbe teaches that there are two stages in the days of Moshiach. The first is where the world functions the same and where we MUST STILL FAST. This is where we are now. It is only in the second phase when Moshiach is revealed to all mankind, the 3rd temple is rebuilt and the sanhedrin returns that the fasts are nullified. YOU ARE DISTORTING the words of the Rebbe. The full and complete geula HAS NOT been manifested in the material world yet.

[eli057]

how much death , poverty , pain and suffering exist in the world??? The Rebbe always qualified his words by saying the geula is here BRUCHNIUS and we have to manifest it. BUT YOU ARE DELAYING IT BY DESTROYING THE MESSAGE AND TURNING INTO SABBATENIASM - G-D FORBID.

[eli057]

you are taking excerpts out of context because you are unlearned. wake up from this folly, learn the Rebbe's sichos in depth and you will discover your grave error. The evil inclanation has trapped you in this matter.

[eli057]

I repeat , the Rebbe always qualified his words , that when saying the full redemption is here it MEANS METAPHYSICALLY and we are LACKING The full manifestation. Your confusion over this matter is leading you to these distorted public displays taking the Rebbe's words egregiously out of context.

[leonardglass01]

ALL maters of Redemption have already began and been drawn into and received by this physical world

[leonardglass01]

Yes. These excerpts were EDITED as EXCERPTS br the Rebbe MH"M SLITA specifically as EXCERPTS and published in the Sefer Besusas HaGeula.

[eli057]

yes and they were meant to the doorway into learning the WHOLE SICHA , this is explicitly stated in the introduction which the Rebbe endorsed.

[leonardglass01]

IN Pasrshas "Shoftim" The Rebbe MH"M Slita says: "...there IS NEED to PUBLICIZE to ALL members of the generation, who will give lessons and advice,etc., until the fundamental prophesy, - the (assured) prophesy that "....all maters of Redemption have already began and been drawn into and received by this physical world; acceptance and maintenance of the instruction of "your judges" and "advisers" of our generation, particularly of the leader of the generation."

[leonardglass01]

The true and COMPLETE Geula is already Here!!!

[mordijoseph]

Where is the Beis Hamikdosh?

Where is Moshiach?

[AdamLeventhal]

I have become convinced that basically every Lubavitcher believes the Lubavitcher Rebbe is Moshiach and that the only machloikes among them is whether this should be publicized or not.

May Hashem send us the true geulah and remove this confusion from our midst.