(21)LoK: Defiance - Raziel confronts Mortanius

[ChrisWButton]

What was the significance of Mortanius waving his hand over his face a few times?

[LoneDragoon90]

@ChrisWButton It puts on/takes off the bone mask he wears.

[templetohelia]

Then Raziel stands there for another 14 hours then resumes to his quest.

[whaowman]

@templetohelia Your comment just made my day!

[medcsu]

Wish they would make more of these games.

[The808Prophet]

i didnt know chess was that old....

[Negative365]

i dont understand in blood omen 1 legacy of Kain, Kain kills mortanius in order to cleanse a pilliar yet here he is...does this take place before blood omen 1, i never played this before,i only played BO, BO2.

[Joudas]

@Negative365 This scene is moments before Kain kills Mortanius in BO1 - after Kain kills Moebius, Mortanius contacts him and gives the 'Come to me, my undead son' speech you can hear him finishing up at the start of his meetup with Raziel here. Raziel interrupts him in the middle of talking to Kain before going to meet him at the Pillars. :)

[Negative365]

@Joudas ooh thanks :D

[TheThordir]

@Joudas

No, this a few hours before Moebius decapitates Vorador. It's just a message, one that takes a while to reach Kain. The reason for this is because Moebius tells Raziel at Vorador's mansion that he has "an execution to attend to".

[Joudas]

@TheThordir I'm reasonably sure I recall the developers or Amy Hennig or someone 'in the know' admitting this was an oversight and was out of order chronologically.

None of Mortanius' other messages took time to reach Kain (unless Mortanius had more understanding of the Timestream than Moebius himself - unlikely), and it seems odd that he would say "It's time to finish this, now" and teleport away, only to chill at the pillars while Kain was still traveling time, effecting the death of William.

[TheThordir]

@Joudas

And am I to understand that the fight at the Pillars took days, perhaps weeks (Raziel doesn't teleport from Avernus to the mansion, he walks)?

[Joudas]

@TheThordir That's what they meant by out of order chronologically. ;) The error was that Moebius should have been dead when Raziel visited the mansion the second time. The alternative assumption is that Mortanius gives his speech about ending things 'now', then spends days, perhaps weeks sitting around the Pillars waiting for Kain to get there. In fact, by that logic, Mortanius would have had to make his speech before Kain even leaves William's castle after saving William's daughter.

[Joudas]

@Joudas From the point Kain uses the time streaming device to go back in time until he kills Moebius isn't long at all - no more than a few hours tops. But really, the timeline is altered significantly by Kain's stint in the past, and theoretically, Defiance takes place solely in the altered timeline (since we don't see any rumbling like we do other times when the timeline is altered, and Vorador is clearly killed in Defiance's timeline, so it's not the original BO1 timeline).

[Joudas]

Since we never saw anything prior to Moebius' demise in that timeline (prior to Defiance), who knows - it's tough to say. Really, if we don't assume the 'storyline error' explanation is accurate, it creates a whole lot of other inconsistencies (mostly dealing with some characters spending hours getting from point A to point B and others spending days or weeks doing the same).

[NessDark]

@Joudas I've started to think that, instead of Moebius' appearance in the Mansion being "out of time", actually Mortanius' line could be the one happening too early right here; since the call for the "Grand Finale" around what... an hour, maybe two? before the Pillars' final collapse. I think it would make more sense that Moebius truly was about to go and meet his end after the encounter with Raziel.

[NessDark]

Say whatever you want about his new cool 3D design, but a lil black hoody would've been nice.

[avargas28]

Did Mortanius mistake Raziel? Does he recognize him as a hyldan, vampire, or human?

[nothri]

What I don't get is why a Joseph Conrad story would help restore Janos Audren or reanimate Kain....

[nothri]

Raziel: You know, its weird. The way Kain used to talk about you, I was expecting you to sound like an otherwordly elder squid god monster.

Mortanius: I get that alot.

[Throrine]

two questions.. Is Mortanius speaking with Past Kain when Raziel encounters him? And why didn't Janos just tell everyone, especially Kain everything he knew about the events to come/happen in the past or w/e when Kain freed him from the Hylden device. Or was the Kain, Janous encountered in BO2 already aware of all that.... ?????

[Joudas]

@Throrine BO2 is effectively the end of the story - even if Janos had told Kain everything he knew, it wouldn't have changed anything - it already happened at that point.

Yes, Mortanius us talking to Kain here, after Kain kills Moebius in Blood Omen 1 - he is calling him to the pillars, where he'll kill the last of the members of the Circle (Mortanius included), and, Mortanius believes, himself, as well, which we already know to not be the case.

[21TheRonin]

@Joudas So... the events in blood omen 2 are before soul reaver 1 right? and the imprisoned janos there was the one who gets possessed in defiance right? so if kain stops the possessed janos right after the end of defiance and after that somehow stops himself from creating his empire, and thus turning the world in a wasteland, Nosgoth will be saved and we get the super special awesome happy ending?

[Joudas]

@21TheRonin Pretty much. The Kain in BO2 is the kain from BO1 - the young Kain. It happens during the events that would lead up to SR1 (where he's raising his army and taking over Nosgoth, basically), but because Kain and Raziel went back in time and the Hylden Lord was released (in Defiance), it happens differently than it did the first time (with Kain having some actual opposition).

[DrujbaDreptatzii93]

@Joudas How can BO2 be the end of the story when at the beginning of BO2 it says that all the events in BO2 happened a few years after Kain refused to sacrifice himself in order to restore the Pillars, and a few years before Kain started to rule over Nosgoth with his lieutenant Raziel??? This is so very confusing to me, the story of BO2 itself tells us this ( you know, when you start the game, that red writing appears :) )...

[Joudas]

@DrujbaDreptatzii93 BO2 is the re-written timeline following the events of Defiance. BO2 isn't how it happened the 'first time'; the events of the other 4 games make it possible.

[DrujbaDreptatzii93]

@Joudas I think all the time travel is making me so confused...because yet all the events in BO2 seem to have happened before SR1 SR2 and Defiance, due to the fact that Raziel was not created yet, except for the ending, the death of the Sarafan Lord a.k.a. the incarnated Dark Entity definitely lead to the end of the story...another thing (which confuses me alot) worth mentioning is the fact that Kain is younger when it ends...and the elder god was not the main enemy

[levitan71]

it is od that mortanius diddent tell vorador the pillars where corrupted

[GreatestMKfighter]

Mortanus' voice is so awesome.

[lonelysith66]

3:50 - 4:03 - Raziel: Oh, man, I am constantly confused....

XD

[Giladas]

I love how Raziel is getting annoyed at always being late.

"What am I too late for this time ?"

[lonelysith66]

@Giladas Yeah, really!

LO XD

[lonelysith66]

@Giladas Raziel needs to get a BlackBerry or something.

XD

[senhorkorracha]

3:53~end: sadface :(

[levitan71]

i liked the part that mortanius and moebius where the last humans the vampires trained for their purpose.

[dadman1988]

I'm currently on my second playthrough and there are some questions I have:Who is Mortanius speaking to at the beginning?When Raziel speaks of the Unspoken nestled within the circle what influence did it have over the murder of the circle?When Mortanius speaks of his plan and bringing back Vampire Guardians for the pillars does this mean that he is a good guy,has he turned his back on Moebius and his 'god' or is he just serving his own desires?Where was Mortanius heading to at the end?

[Joudas]

Mortanius is speaking to Kain, telepathically. The 'Unspoken' engineered the whole plot involving the killing Ariel / corrupting the circle; Mortanius realized what was happening and resisted, using Kain to slaughter the circle with the intention of restoring the pillars. Mortanius was heading to his meeting with Kain at the end of Blood Omen 1 (since he was one of the Guardians, and all of them had to die to restore the pillars, he knew Kain had to kill him, ultimately, and accepted this.)

[dadman1988]

Ah,thanks.Sometimes there's just so much said in one cutscene that it's hard to take in.Why is it in Blood Omen 1 that Mortanius turns into a Hylden?I also wonder when Mortanius discovered the truth behind the pillars and why Moebius didn't join him.Was the Unspoken in league with the Elder God?I'm still confused as to what his part in all of this is and what his plan was.Does Mortanius know that the heart of darkness is Jano's heart and that he is a guardian?

[Joudas]

Moebius knew the truth (his office as the Time Guardian afforded him such knowledge) and rather than helping Mortanius to change it, used the situation to his advantage, in his attempt to erradicate vampires from Nosgoth entirely (see: Blood Omen 1). He misjudged Kain, and his plan failed miserably. (See: BO1 ending) The Elder God was the ancient vampires' worshipped deity. They were born and died like any other race, and didn't drink blood - and were devout believers in the wheel of fate.

[Joudas]

The Hylden, during their war with the vampires, used this in their ultimate masterstroke: they severed the Vampires from the Wheel, making them immortal (so they could not die and be reborn) and infused them with their bloodthirst. This drove most of them to madness and those that persisted banished the Hylden to the demon dimension with the Pillars. Mortanius knew full well what the Heart of Darkness was - but Janos was already dead when he used it. No harm done - at least not by him.

[dadman1988]

Thank you.I only have two more questions and then I will not bother you anymore.Why did Mortanius go through such an elaborate plan to create Kain with Jano's heart?Why not just have Vorador bite him?Why is it that kain and raziel believe the pictures.Kain looks more like the hylden champion as he is white like the hylden champion and raziel is blue like the vampire champion.They both have the reaver so either one of them could have been the hylden champion.

[Joudas]

Mortanius theoretically could have had Vorador bite him, but as he did it, he was able to not only get Kain to willingly accept the vampirism, but also to use it to coerce him into killing the rest of the Guardians, without telling him the whole story. Plus, with Vorador's opinion of humans, and obvious dislike of the Circle, why would he have helped Mortanius anyway?

[Joudas]

As for the murals, they don't know who is which - Raziel deals with that throughout much of the game; every time he sees them, he has a monologue wherein he debates with himself over which one he is, and whether he's fated to kill Kain or be killed by him.

[dadman1988]

I figure that Mortanius could have told Vorador that the binding was weakening and that their ancient enemies the Hylden would escape unless Vorador would help him with his plan.That's just my theory anyway.

[Joudas]

If Vorador didn't kill him on sight, and if he knew where Vorador was, which is questionable, and if Vorador would even care - he had never experienced the Hylden, as he was not an ancient vampire - Janos made him, he was a human blacksmith previously.

[dadman1988]

True,I just figured that Janos had told Vorador of the Hylden because Vorador told Raziel to beware of the 'Unspoken'.

[RobWyld]

@Joudas True. Plus, Vorador would have never helped him anyway, since the circle of 9 sponsored the Vampire purge that resulted in the deaths of Vorador's friends. As Mortanius is a member of the nine, Vorador would have tried to kill him instead.

[INKASANT]

@Joudas How Can You Say That Vorador has no experience againts the Hylden

What Is The Sarafan Lord He Has Battled Him

[Joudas]

@INKASANT In BO2, which occurred after Mortanius died, thus making it moot in the context of the discussion you're replying to.

[INKASANT]

@Joudas I Was Saying About Vorador

[Joudas]

@INKASANT I assume you're responding to the discussion stating that Mortanius could have told Vorador that the Hylden were escaping?

[INKASANT]

@Joudas Yes

[GGMMPP]

@Joudas I believe your reasoning is not correct here. Janos said that he was appointed as the Reaver guardian at the time of the binding - i.e. banishment of the hylden. This means that the reaver was made by human Vorador already before the binding. What's more the murals in Pillars chamber and Dark Forge, show that it was already used in the war against the Hylden, and these murals are not the ones representing Vampire messiah, but historical events. This means that Vorador knew the hylden.

[Joudas]

@GGMMPP Fair points - however, I maintain that Vorador couldn't really have done anything more than he did in that regard - he did indirectly assist Mortanius, by aiding Kain - Vorador could not have replaced Kain's role, nor was he in possession of the Soul Reaver at the time, and didn't even necessarily know where it was (nothing's said to suggest he didn't, but nor is there any reason why he would. How would Mortanius explaining the situation to him have changed anything?

[GGMMPP]

@Joudas Fair enough. I also neither believe in any special Vorador's function except forging the blade, nor do I think thah he had any relation with Mortanius, although he may have known him when Mortanius was raised in the Vampire Citadel. I just wanted to point out, that Vorador is older than he receives credit. I also don't think that Janos was much older than Vorador, because before the binding Vampires were mortal

[bobmegee]

@dadman1988 yes but he is still corrupted. when ariel ( balance guardian before kain) died another guardian, napraptor found her and went insane which corrupted the whole circle so mortanius is getting kain to kill all of them, including him so that new "pure" guardians will be born which can then be turned into vampires

[nemesis274]

This is one of the reasons why the legacy of kain series was pretty good. I mean, the designers know how to tell a pretty good story that would leave gamers thinking.

[gringolazlo]

was mortanius a character from Blood omen 1?

[Joudas]

Yes, he was the necromancer who raised Kain.

[encrosby]

I don't recall ever seeing that part. Probably because the game broke when it went into the PS2.

[levitan71]

jackson would have to make trioligy or something but id watch it! :D

[neato0z]

Yes a movie of this would be great. Peter Jackson please.

[Friaos09]

who does mortanius think raziel is? and who is the hyldens hero?

[rida81]

he think that raziel is the hylden hero, and he is right. kain is the vampire hero. the only way either of them can die is if the other kills him. but in the end the third prophecy becomes reality as kain and raziel fuse to be able to hurt/kill eldergod and restore the pillars in a later game.

[Arthasproc]

actually raziel is both hylden and vampire hero due to him 'nature'

[fedykin87]

actually the hero for both races is Raziel as he fulfills the needs of both races and destroys himself by devouring himself in the reaver. Kain is only the scion of Balance an other prophecy of the vampires who gains their ultimate weapon the reaver completely uncorrupted from Raziel purifying him and armed to kill the elder god since the two reavers (psychical blade and wraith blade.) are united

[gigiozzolo]

to complete your sentence, I'd also say that,as portrayed in the final mural before the last fight of defiance, while on the left and on the right there are the two heroes fighting, each portraying a victory of one of the races that would be the undoing for the balance, in the middle there is kain with the final reaver, which means that raziel ha balanced the prophecies helping kain become the true scion and completing him so that he can bring balance.

[fedykin87]

Actually those two side murals have nothing to do with balance it was just the two prophecies coming true. Raziel fulfilled the Hylden one by 'releasing' them and killing kain but fulfilled the vampires prophecy by 'arming' kain for the final battle. The middle one was just showing the result of when all was said and done. Raziel was mainly just a means of achieving it and was the Reaver itself.

[gigiozzolo]

if the side murals have nothing to do with it, then why the scion of balance is portrayed between the murals of the two heroes killing each other? to me raziel is both heroes toghether since he's nor vampire nor hylden though being similar in appereance and in weapon to both, he fulfilled in a very personal way both prophecies and in the process became the completion of the scion of balance, kain.

[gigiozzolo]

moreover To me kain's not the vampire hero, he's too different from the ancient vampires or the classical vampires, in powers as well in other aspects...in fact moebius staff worked only on kain's heart which was janos's one, that means he was completely different from the other vampires and not THEIR hero. Kain was only the scion of balance.

[fedykin87]

thats what the story director revealed Raziel was both heroes since he 'saved' both races releasing the hylden and providing the scion of balance with his weapon and he was desiny to destroy himself which both murals show them getting killed. Kain wasn't any hero like I stated he was just the scion of balance the salvation of the vampires not the hero seen in the murals that 'hero' AKA raziel was only a part in providing the scion of balance with the means to fulfill his prophecy.

[gigiozzolo]

AH didn't know the story director said so, it was just my assumption. Glad to know I'm right :D Then the biggest deal of difference of our teories is just how big is the interconnection between the two roles. Ok it's allright, the main thing to me was the fact that Raziel is the heroes and Kain the balance scion.

[hanson666999]

Hylden puppetmasters.

[h4xUs0r]

Ehm, they had?

[MichiganProductionz]

they should make a movie out of all of these games

[creapsmantic]

Agreed

[VipericVampire]

As long as Uwe Boll doesn't direct it.

[AebelAlmighty]

@MichiganProductionz It would be too long and most people wouldn't get what was going on. It would be a sweet book series or something though.

[creapsmantic]

Mortanius was talking to younger kain at 0:10 blood omen beouch ohh yea

[airwickkkk57]

if memory serves me right mortanius teleported to the pillars at the end of this video to fight kain (in blood omen 1's time) and be killed by him so that kain is the last gaurdian...but the last REAL gaurdian since vampires are supposed to be the gaurdians of the pillars

damnit i miss this series!!!!!

[creapsmantic]

u got it right

[THEBURNINGPUNCHX]

keith david can be a great replacement for voicing the elder god in future LOK games.

[3iHard]

Kain has it, it IS IN KAIN! ;D

[Acuraintegraman1]

ok ok, but im confused about when mortanius stuck it in him cuz he was impaled in hell or where ever and then mortanius takes the sword out of him and without touching him mind you turns him into a vampire. by the way do you know where i can buy soul reaver 1?

[Joudas]

It wasn't shown in the intro movie. This was likely due to them not wanting to throw confusing stuff into the mix that wouldn't be revealed or even discussed until much later in the game, them not being certain how it would pan out, or them not wanting to throw it in there in case the franchise did poorly and they never made the other games. But it's revealed in Defiance that Mortanius used the heart to make Kain.

I'd try Amazon for SR1.

[Acuraintegraman1]

but who did mortanius get the heart from.. the hilden.. FE VICTUS!

[Joudas]

Mortanius got the heart from the Sarafan Stronghold (or wherever it was hidden) after Raziel (the human Raziel) tore it out of Janos' chest.

[emptyandgray]

Hylden. Vae Victus. Woe...to the conquered.

[Acuraintegraman1]

or suffering to the conquered.

[Acuraintegraman1]

oh i get it so the hilden in the great war put the heart in kain to confuse raziel so he would kill squid man and decease the pillars to bring bance within the siren.

[Joudas]

Mortanius put the heart in Kain to resurrect him - he did it in an attempt to beat the Hylden... the Hylden didn't put it in him.

[Distruggiu]

Kain has it... O_O

IT IS IN KAIN!! O_O

LOLOL

[leafia6]

I felt the same way.XD

[whaowman]

@Distruggiu It's more like "Kain has it O O" since he has no jaw :D

[dregoth22]

weird how in defiance mortainius looks and sounds nothing like he did in blood omen 1

[VoidKeeper]

even weirder is that Mortanius in BO1 had the voice of the Elder God on SR1, SR2 and Defiance :P the same voiceactor :P

[djvillain]

Yeah, the late Tony Jay ... it was probably because when they did a sequel they wanted his great talent in there, and since mortanius was killed in BO1, they figured they'd might as well use him as the voice of the Elder God.

Tony's voice was very distinct, hard to get someone to sound anywhere close to it.

[zachkumb1]

Just like when he played megabyte in Reboot...Noone will be able to replace him, but we can still hope...

[Solidsnakeraz]

so after all the game of lok mortanius was the unspoken(i mean controled by hylden)who brutally killd ariel.Ok i know that lokbo,bo2,sr,sr2,def that is a circle story.But they must make this storys what happend to mortanius,is kain will die (future kain) and will kain kill janos audrin or he will somehow banish again the hylden and free Janos from hylden controled by and will kain resurect raziel and not throw him into abyss.Every story must have happy end.

[sc0tt10]

"Kane has it!?!"

Finally, the last horse crosses the fucking line :D

[DeathMessenger1988]

HAHAHAHA!!! Good One!

[hanxopx]

hahahaha

[AlexLococo]

@sc0tt10 Kain

[RobWyld]

True but I did wonder about Raziel being told he was of the Hylden race. I think he was simply being lied to about that so that it would encourage him to kill Kain.

[RobWyld]

True but the unspoken wasn't just the Sarafan Lord, but the Hylden as a whole.

[goonagun]

Mortanius?...the demon boss from blood omen?

[Joudas]

No - this is actually a common misconception. In BO1, the demon is not Mortanius - the demon is "The Unspoken" - Mortanius is the necromancer that precedes the demon fight. Mortanius was being possessed by 'The Unspoken', which manifests after he is killed.

[SparkX61]

Doesn't Raziel make reference to Turel as "The Unspoken"?

[ClaudiaSwann]

thats ebcause he doesn't know what the unspoken is.

it seemed likly though, beens as turel was beign worshiped as a god.

[Jeseeu]

they should make a new LoK game to continue the Saga i mean wtf Janos is still free possesed XD kain should go after em :D

[VengeanceZero]

In blood omen 2, kain actually sorta does go after them. It would be Janos blood that would power the Hilden facilities and engages in mortal combat with the hilden lord that posessed mortanius and then janos in turn.

[ClaudiaSwann]

lol yes,

time lines ftw XD

[demonofholylight]

Poor Raziel is all like "WTF?!" After Mortanius is being controled.

[RednessAlpha]

If he lived, Kain couldn't have done it.

[smoness]

who were the ones using mortanius and janos as a host? and what was their purpose?

[Malumbrus]

The Hylden.

[credo111111111111111]

the one that possesed mortanius was the final boss of blood omen 1 and the one that possesed janos was the sarafan lord from blood omen 2.

[WalterSullivan1988]

"Come to me, my undead son. Make haste to the Pillars, the stage is set for the grand finale. You will have your vengeance."

in Blood Omen Mortanius says this after Kain kills Moebius, but in Defiance Moebius is still live here. why?

[ElfenWizzard]

he's already dead, but elder god return him to the life...

''return my god servant at the place of our first meeting''

somethin' like that

[WalterSullivan1988]

no...

Moebius kills Vorador --> Kain kills moebius --> Mortanius says: "come to me my undead son..." (this video) ---> Raziel "k----" kain ---> Raziel and Moebius in Vorador mansion (look that part):

Raziel: "and will that knowledge sustain you? You too are going to your death."

[RednessAlpha]

Moebius remains alive due to a plot error. The director wanted Raziel to see him once more after Kain dies.

[NasaCortis]

@RednessAlpha You are right (why the thumbs down, people?) She admitted it herself in an interview. I think the problem would be easily solved if you just take out the "come to me" line being spoken here.

[bastardluv]

i don't get this: They're trying to say that Raziel is the Hylden champion and Kain the vampire, but that can't be. Janos is an original vampire. Raziel looks like him and the other blue nightcrawler guy on the stone tablets. Kain on the other hand does resemble the Hylden, if only in skin color

[RednessAlpha]

But, Kain didn't make that change yet. Raziel did.

[bastardluv]

right, but then if kain makes the change, whose champion is he? the hylden or the vampire's

[RednessAlpha]

Kain is neither. He is the scion of balance. Raziel is both the Hylden and Vampire champion. However, he has the option to choose either of them, since he possesses free will.

[Barbazu]

They tought Raziel is hylden champion while Kain is vampire one. Because of prophecy and murals on walls where they are depicted fighting. But in truth Raziel is both chapmions depicted there at same time so he stabs himself in the end. So basicaly all just read that prophecy wrong and only in the end Raziel understood it.

[bastardluv]

okay i'll buy that. What i didn't like is that on the mural raziel clearly looks like the vampire savior (the similarities between himself and janos) and Kain looks like the Hylden champion because of their complexions..etc.

[Barbazu]

Vampire savior is depicted as ancient vampires tought he will be. Like ancient vampires blue with wings, most likely they didnt knew exactly how it will turn out, since even janos who was ancient vampire didnt fully understood who is Raziel until he saw spectral reaver on his hand(redeemer and destroyer).So in those murals Kain is central figure with reaver blade while Raziel is/are both fighting figures.

[shadowsora]

If you look into it closely, it's actually really clever how they made everything tie together.

Raziel actually physically resembles both an ancient vampire and a hylden. The vampire similarities are obvious (blue skin, wings). But in Defiance, we see that the Hylden re-enter the dying world by possessing corpses, just as Raziel does. This is why Ariel, Mortanius and everyone else mistake Raziel for a hylden in Defiance: he looks like a corpse.

[shadowsora]

Also, if you inspect the murals closely, you can see that both champions physically resemble Raziel. The bampire hero is blue, winged, and wields the physical Reaver, while the hylden hero has a fiery sword and a cowl draped around his shoulders and face just like Raziel.

Another interesting note is that both the ancient vampires and ancient hylden have three fingers.

[bastardluv]

Don't get me wrong. I love the epic that is Kain's blood omen and the soul reaver tangent, but not at the expense of story, structure, plot, and character cohesion. This reminds me of Donnie Darko, how the only way to make sense of the plot is to go online or ask the people involved in creating it. If it requires supplementary information to make sense of it, the project is a technical failure. Period. That said, i love the characters, they feel real. but...

[bastardluv]

nothing will convince me that the people writing this story knew where they were going from the beginning. They did the best they could...so i don't fault them because everything else compensates for it.

[koroigetsuga]

Raziel is both the vampire champion and the hylden champion; where as Kain is the Scion of Balance

[VipericVampire]

I love Mortanius :DDDD =^.^= XD

They say he travels to the moment in Blood Omen where he confronts Kain but does that mean that he is no longer alive in Defiance after it. :S

[VipericVampire]

No one needs to reply I figured it out ^.^ lol

[VipericVampire]

I love Mortanius :DDDD =^.^= XD

They say he travels to the moment in Blood Omen where he confronts Kain but does that mean that he is no longer alive in Defiance after it. :S

[xxXLichKingXxx]

my hair is similar to mortanius' hair:D i wanna grow a beart like that...i love him...he is my fav :D

[sparrowsanzo]

Mortanius looks a lot cooler than he did in Blood Omen 1.

[heriticelite]

if this is after mortainius raised kain in blood omen 1, how come he looks way younger and has a beard?

[geeklord1]

well you can ask why mobious dosen't look so fat either but It's just so he looks better then he did in blood omen 1

[heriticelite]

but theres a difference though, you could reconise mobieus but i had to hear mortaniuses name before i knew it was him.

[xxXLichKingXxx]

perhaps he used kain's youth...he sucked the life from kain and he became younger i don't know this is only a theory

[heriticelite]

good theory but kain killed him in blood omen and he still looked the same guy with a hood, i think geeklord1 is right, they just look better because 3d animation in game back when blood omen was made was kinda poor.

[VipericVampire]

No it's because when he spoke to Kain in the 1st Blood Omen he was wearing a mask, a shield on his face that would give him this appearnace.

Notice that when he sees Raziel he changes his face a bit with red (00:19)

THIS WAS PROVEN FORM A LOK FAN SITE.

[elhona]

Raziel is so clueless. So are most of the people who play the game I'm finding out. Sad...

^_^

[Slixer]

the pillars are a binding spell, they hold the hilden, they are the Green eyes that Mortainus kept getting, the Pillar need vampires to guard them but Vampires are cursed by the hilden so they cannot reproduce and need blood, so they gave humans the powers to be vampires and guardians, however the humans rebelled and killed the vampires so regular humans have them however humans are petty sometimes which is decaying the pillars,

[bobmegee]

i thought the vampires committed suicide rather than feed on each other and janos survived because of his guardianship of the soul reaver

[Slixer]

Mortainus is on Vorador's side however the hilden inside him is trying to kill kain.

[levitan71]

moebius and mortainus are about the same age as vorador. i allways wounderd why he dident kill them as well.

[Voorok]

soul reaver 2 shows why he didn't kill moebius...

[levitan71]

if your referring to his staff then yes iknow. but he has walked around without it at times.

[Voorok]

there's also something else.

[levitan71]

refresh my memory then.

[Voorok]

...he helped it happen. he listened to it while preventing malek from helping them.

[levitan71]

yea but he double crossed him and had vorador hunted down and cut his head of :)

[elziyan]

perfect story..

[NeoDMC]

I love this part, simply for the connection with Blood Omen it has. I have to say, that after playing Blood Omen, I think Crystal Dynamic's made a mistake with the storyline, but for Edios to go back to the roots and give a nod at the storyline, it gives me hope for a return of the Blood Omen style.