for me its not about anyone being gay, its about the use of the word marriage. the separation of church and state was bullshit, it was to make anti religious ppl comfortable. i bet our forefathers would not stand for that..check your money check te pledge of allegence, the word god on our money has been there forever and we just added god to the pledge in the 50's so it looks like god is still going strong in our government.
@DuvalOutlaw so semantics allows you to violate people equal access to contract law? You apparently don't understand what separation of church and state means. It means the government cannot institure a religious conviction as law. Take a basic constitutional class.
I never intended to make myself seem better than anyone. we were all sinners, some of us still are. Im not. But even in the Bible we say that God destroys Soddom and Ghommorah for her sins, which included homosexuality. if it werent wrong, then why do people have to fight to make it right, shouldnt it be just natural.
@tmmsbasebal People had to fight for women's rights and against racism. Clearly, treating people fairly isn't natural to some people. Also, you cannot apply the rules given by your belief system to anyone else any more than you can apply the rules of another belief system to an entire population. That is unless it ceases to be a belief system and becomes provable fact.
Moral Relativism is degrading on society whether you think it or not. If you look through history empires fall as their morals degrade. the roman empire is a prime example they were too busy trying to have sex orgies and gladiator games and dishonest practices to defend themselves from some no account barbarians. The romans had conquered the world. they became selfish and hedonistic and were bickering amongst themselves is why they fell. Morals and moral people are what hold our country together
@jonmcd13@jonmcd13 they didnt degrade because of gay marriage. the idea that the gay commujnity wants monogamous and responsible relationships is immoral in your world? that would seem to be contradictory. what is immoral about wanting to love your soulmate? moral absolutism has caused as many empires to fall as anything. marxism and islamism=moral absolutism. empires fall for dynamic varying reason.simplifying the fall of the roman empire as you have is simple minded.
@LittleMsRevenge do you have any specific instances or are you too busy misspelling things to realize that perhaps,, without any merit to your argument, you look like a complete tool?
Well I just read the civil rights bill and story of how and why it was passed. Seems like a good thing without quatas. You make people think and investigate. Good for you. I still liked Rons answer to make all marriage civil unions and leave marriage up to the church.
@battim Well in that case I hope ron paul doesnt win in the 2008 elections. I think that you agree with me that we really didnt have a choice in 2008. Ron Paul seemed like the best to me but if what you say is right I was wrong. You are kind of making me horny the way you are so aggressive. I am sub scribing to your channel now!!!
Well anyway, your a very attractive guy with some real good points. I simply liked some of Rons solutions which was basically removing most of goverment control, u can never force people not to discrimnate this is truly not a free society. I am gay and have been victim to discrimation myself a couple of times, but still see his point concerning discrimanation.
@TheRickmurray he has no solutions. he wants to abolish government as we know it., he wants no regualtions on big companies, he wants legalized discrimination. ron paul is for a company denying you a job if you are gay. ron paul is for a bar denying you service because you are gay. ron paul beleives it should be legal to doscrimnate against you simply because you are gay.
@battim Well in that case I hope ron paul doesnt win in the 2008 elections. I think that you agree with me that we really didnt have a choice in 2008. Ron Paul seemed like the best to me but if what you say is right I was wrong. You are kind of making me horny the way you are so aggressive. I am sub scribing to your channel now!!!
@TheRickmurray ron paul is for legalized discrimination. ron and rand paul think a private comapny can deny you employment and service based on the fact you are gay. ron paul says nothing of quotas. he beleives that any private firm can deny service and employment to anyone for any reason, including being gay.
This is wikipedia says Ron Paul said about Civil Rights. I can find nothing suggesting service denied. He says proving civil rights violations can be very difficult and result in more drama. He says it was a failure. I like ron, he likes gays.
Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife
@TheRickmurray the civil rights act, as ron and rand paul have claimed, does not allow a businessman to deny service on the basis of race. they oppose it becuase they believe a business man should have the right to discriminate. the civil rights ac t does not requite quota so that is BESIDES the point. but keep talking about things you have no idea what it says. racial harmony is better thna its ever been. copying and pasting ron paul makes you look silly. do you think for yourself?
@battim What I am doing is investagating your silly claim that ron paul is for discrimanation. I copy and past to prove his point. You should copy and paste as well because I just cant seem to find anything proving your side. I find you very sexy and love the harmless debate.
In your video you say you always have an issue when the goverment tries to have a moral authortie on things. And you really were for the civil rights actt. that is exactly what that was put into place for. Is it that you are only against the goverment when it attacks your liberty to do with your life what you will. Ron Paul says that the civil rights bill is taking away the rights of companys to hire who the hell they want to. This is a moral issue.
@TheRickmurray discrimination is not a moral issue. its the law. equal protection under the law. freedom is not a moral issue. its self evident. the freedom to do ocmmerce freely is not moral. its freedom. we hold the truths...ron paul never mentions hiring anyone. the quote you cite makes no refgerecen to employment and neither does the law. its about the ability to discirminate clientelle. you should really read what it is you speak of before you wikipedia it.
@TheRickmurray you keep repeating yourself and ignore the response i gave to your statements, you really are not bright. the civil rights law simply states that all folks have the right to contract law. all folks have self evident rights. that not morality, its equality. the civil rights acts does not dictate who folks can hire. please read the law. your arrgument is vapid because you havent even read the law. lol.
Ron Paul had the answer, He said that all marriages should be cival unions then let the church decide on the marriage question. Ron Paul was really the best choice for America, to bad he didnt have a chance. The illuminati backed McCain and Obama just couldnt lose. They are both paid for by the illuminati. If you want to win a race why not buy both parties. We really dont have a choice in America with our bogus ellections where Bush Jr. proved our votes dont really count anyway.
@battim illuminati , yes it is real and they have alot of power. Ron Paul if you really listen to him he is so right on, on so many issues. He offered real solutions.
@TheRickmurray ron paul is a moron. which issue do you mean putting prayert in schools? prolife? teaching creationism in science class? repealing the civil rights act? ron paul has ties to the john nirch society, the klan and storm front. he has a grand wizard of the klan run his campaign in michigan. his newletters are amongst the most racist and homophobic i have ever read. he is a moron.
@TheRickmurray I disagree, Ron Paul seems like a real nice guy to me, but not well funded by the illuminati.. oh sorry, I meant to say corporate america. kinda the same thing really.. and you are not forced to beleive in things like illuminati. I have found that showing people how the sky is falling around them never works. One day you will see for yourself.
@TheRickmurray a lot of klan supporters seem like real nice men, they aren't ron paul has repeatedly called for a repeal of the civil rights act in congress. i do see things for myself, corporations are multinational, not american anymore. you assume because ron paul is against coroporate america? lol. he has voted against every regualtion ever brought up. lol. google ron paul newletter.
@battim Here is his statement concerning cival rights bill... "The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society" his view is that forcing people to meet a quata of minorities is unconstitutional. I know alot of white people that lose contracts because the company needs to meet their quata. It has now resulted in reverse discrimination. I agree with him 100 percent. Next isse?
@TheRickmurray no sir. its not about quotas. he believes that business owners can deny service to anyone of color. that is freedom to ron paul. the licensed empolyers can deny serving blacks, hispanics, whoever. please reaqds what he said, not what you want it to say. the civil rights act has nothing to do with employment. you are wrong.
@TheRickmurray so murder is an action i find abhorrent, should i repsect your right to murder? theft is abhorrent. corporate greed is abohorrent should i respect those things because some beleive them? make up your mind, first you rail against corporations then you support folks like ron paul that defend them and pull regulations off them. you are a walking contradiction.
@TheRickmurray so when are you goinf to address the racist newletters ron paul personally funded? his employees being memeber of the klan? his contributions from neonazis and stormfront he refused to give back? do you even know how stupid you look by bringing up quotas in a discussion of the civil rights act? the civil rights act says notihng of quotas.
Ok!! If anyone can answer me? ! ..You seems to claim that Homosexuals can't get married!!!because of Bible said this Bible said that.. and yet ..USA is (quite) the best in Human Right ..Equality..But How you guys puts Equality Right and Christianity together???
the "gays arent the same a straights, so they shouldn't be treated the same" is like saying "blacks and whites are different, so they cant be treated the same" at this rate, gays and bisexuals (like me) are going to end up being slaves, as it seems we're on a downhill right now
WOW! I love seeing someone with a clear view of what this country was based on. You not only hit the nail on the head but drove it in with one shot! We need more people with your attitude in this country. The only thing I disagree with you on is that people deserved to get fucked by mortgage companies. Banks should be forced to be honest. Yes, a lot of people didn't pay attention, but a lot of people got screwed by lying mortgage brokers, too.
@dimondwoof never sign a contract without consulting a lawyer. if one is going into a debt two three times the size of their annual incomes, my suggestion would be to seek an objective observer before signing a contract 40 pages long. banks are by law supposed to be honest. doesnt mean they are.
amen, in a secualr sense, that is. i am not a big god person, but i am a big human rights person. if there is a god, my assumption he'd be proud of all of his creation.
@battim nah, we're all huge sinners. god couldn't create a species he'd be proud of, because pride is a sin. he doomed us from the start. much love :).
The logic makes sense. If people can vote away marriage to gay people than it should be just as legal to vote away marriage to straight people.
It's only fair.
Personally I don't believe in marriage. It's a primitive practice of coupling one's children to make and share money. But if people want to dedicate themselves to each other under the name of the government or a god, then I see no reason deny them that.
primitive maybe. innate maybe. funny i was just having this discussion with someone today. i think its the very core of the ideological struggle between islam and modernity. one that modernity usually overcomes, given the proper circumstances.
This is an excellent video!! Government should get the fuck out of people's lives and stop worrying about all of the fuck ups in this or any other country! You're absolutely correct on everything!
Someone told me that its not against gays. Its against same sex marriage. If two non gay people wished to get married they could not. See its all far, tee hee
marriage is a joining of a man and a woman physically and spiritually in the eyes of GOD.
I think if the founding father looked at what our country has become they would be disappointed.
I am not a really churchy type of person, but asking GOD to bless a gay marriage is like cheating on your wife, getting caught and not asking for forgiveness.
This country was founded on Christain believes and their you have it.
This country was founded by Christian beliefs MY ASSSSSS. Christopher Columbus was an evil person let's just say that right now. Secondly, Native Americans were here first and they had a totally different religion. Do you like being the reason why the suicide rate in America is increasing? Do you like being the cause of the hate going on in America? You're not even American, it's called the Melting Pot for a reason.
doesnt work that way. power of attorney does not give them rights to a living will or the ability to make life decisions. what is it you fear so much about gay marriage? every marriage is different, why discriminate and violate "equal protection under the law"
I have been married for 10 years and never had to deal with a living will or make a life decision(knock on wood). Is this what gays are mad about, I think not.
actually yes. one of the main arguments is that only blood relatives and relatives by marital contract are allowed such. you should read into it. i say its a private contract, whoever whats to do it should have equal rights. who cares?
You can perfer as you like. Tell me who is not free? Gays are free to do as they please. Just don't ask me to believe that its right. I work with 300 people and about 5 are gay. The only reason I know that is because they hit you on the head with their gayness. I wish I could not care, but gays love to flaunt their gayness.
It not enough for them to be gay, you have to acknowledge and tell them their are right.
gays are not free to enter into contracts that allow them to make decisions for their chosen partners. the are not free to adopt. if one shows up to your work party with their wife, do they hit you on the head with their straightness? its not enough for you to be straight then either, because you have need to feel being straight is right. apparently the freedom of expression has limitations so long as it may offend you. lol. my goodness.
there is no preference. I'd have to like both sexes to begin with, to have a preference. There can't be a preference when you're attracted to just one sex. I see how this could maybe be confusing to bisexuals or smth since they have feelings towards both.
well preference infers free will, i simply don't fall down on the free will side, so i use that term very loosely. i think muddying the arguement of whether one is naturally gay or socialized gay does a disservice to the argument as a whole. it really doesn't matter. freedom has no boundaries.
okay, I can see your point. but the thing is having feelings (either sexual or purely emotional) for someone of the sam sex is not something a person can control. what we can control is if we pursue our feelings and try to form a relationship. sexuality isn't like food, and most people just can't pick and choose who they like.
Maybe people will learn to not be so mental and tune into their emotions when it comes to personal commitment. Too many force themselves into things because they THINK they should do it.
But the only way I see it possible is without government (anywhere) and less stress by ultimately useless time-consuming obligations to society at large that only end up draining the individual, wiping out rain forests and polluting the atmosphere.
Unfortunately, people will learn when the shit hits the fan.
Church is the exact opposite of hate. Why does everybody think that Christians are bad people? It is a faith based on love and acceptance. I am a christian and I don't hate, I'm not a racist, and I am not homophobic and neither are any of my friends who are Christians. I am also positive that you have Christian friends who you are insulting with that comment.
I used to, but they decided I was the antiChrist years ago... except for the gay ones, they just decided I was a bitch...now they are saying that its Obama,not me... finally
It's because of hundreds and thousands of years of Christians telling people that they're sinners in order to control their choices. This is taught in MANY churches whether or not you personally do that.
You're a good person because you're a good person. It's not because you're Christian you are non-racist, non-homophobic etc. I, personally, don't see love and acceptance when birth control, homosexuality, pre-marital sex are considered "sins".
Yes, you CAN vote on heterosexual marriage--chances are you will lose because most Americans understand what marriage entails. But go ahead, no one is stopping you.
Well, according to my psychology class, everything about people is part environment, and part genetic. It can't just be all nature, or all nurture. I agree with you on the marriage and contract concept.
Some good thoughts here, but I don't see how both sides can be wrong here.
What part of "We want to have the same legal protections for our marriages that straight people enjoy. We want to be able to visit our spouses in the hospital, we want to be able to share our medical benefits with our spouse,
"we want to be able to leave things to them in our wills and not have that ruined by greedy family members and legal systems that might discriminate,--
Look battim, I am a divorce lawyer (for real, no joke) and you can't be serious. I could take days explaining to an engaged couple all the legal ramifications of getting married, but they wouldn't listen - nor would it make anyone decide not to get married. Marriages don't last as long as they used to because things change faster than they used to - and because men haven't changed (they still cheat and get drunk, etc.) and women have (they won't put up with that stuff anymore).
Certainly marriages are private decisions, but they are much more than private contracts, they are "civil contracts" that have considerable legal consequences (as you pointed out previously). There are legal advantages and disadvantages to being married. Your legal status (as married or single) affect your taxes, your inheritance rights, your immigration status, your ability to contract with others, etc.. Established laws concerning marriage have two hundred years of legal precedence.
they are civil contracts because law has made them so. law can make them not so as well. there are legal advantages to having a limited liability corporation, its still a private contract among investors. txes should be based on individual assets, as they are in every other private contract.
well said. It would be nice if all str8 people who got married had to go through a 200 page application and let them know once you sign - you can not divorce for any reason. even if you get beaten with a stick 3 times a day!
I'm for letting gays get married too. That will keep the divorce lawyers busy for awhile. And talk about "spreading the wealth", they (gays) can find out what paying child support and alimony is like too.
In Israel there is no civil marriage, so people who want to get married have to go to their religious leaders to get married, but if the couple is of different religious faiths their church(synagogue, temple, etc.) won't let them - so they get married outside the country.
Ive been saying that this shit goes against the 14th amendment since the begining. Ive been told I was wrong, stupid, etc... I love this one "Marriage is not a right" says a married guy, THAN WHY ARE YOU MARRIED? UGH Idiots.
Loved listening to you, straight talker! I am there with you. Here's one, that just speaks to the hypocrisy of the whole Yes on 8 issue: their motto was something like "save marriage as it was intended to be" or "save the sanctity of marriage" or something like that, right?--somehow with some moral biblical bent..weeell, if you follow THAT argument LOGICALLY, and accept that this kind of shit should be LEGISTLATED, well then shouldn't it be "make divorce illegal"??! HA (huh)
sign a marriage contract like a home mortgage.this will keep you reading for hours before you sign.. oops , forgot about the downside of foreclosures.lol.Ok, contracts,period.oops, you just said that one. ok, we agree Battim.Put this on VH. this is an awsome thinker. shawny *
wouldn't it be cool if people had to take a multiple choice test about the candidates before they were allowed to vote? Maybe then obama wouldn't be the president elect. Most of the people who voted for obama didn't even know who Bill Ayers is.
Yes!!! I have always been an advocate for a voter prerequisite test, the founding fathers also felt that not just anyone should select the leaders, leave it up to the most informed, and sagacious people.
Are you saying that minorities and women would not have the ability to pass a voter competency test? People who don't know about the candidates should not vote, they might even change their vote if they took the time to learn a little about the candidates. Just watch the video entitled Harlem voters. These people need to educate themselves. Its some people's civic duty not to vote.
It's "ad hominem" (Latin: against the man) But you're right, personal attacks only show the weakness of the proponent's argument (and lack of intelligence).
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BEING GAY is wrong. and about barac obama minding his business, he cant this is his country sort of, he's the president this contry is he's business.being gay is not genetic.he isnt dictating, if dey legalized drugs, than this whole country would b polluted, if they legalized prostitution,god knows what will happen. do u no wat ur talkin about? r u gay? i fil sory for u, dont worry i'l pray for u, may god 4give,n clense u wit da blood dat jesus shed on calvary,n evry 1 else dat fil the sam as u.
Wow, nobody knew who Bill Ayers was? I find that hard to believe when every idiot like you from here to the South of the Mason Dixon shouted from the rooftops who this guy was.
Please, go up to a random Obama voter and ask them if they know who Bill Ayers is. There was already a survey where they took about ten Obama supporters and asked them if they knew who Bill Ayers was and none of them did. They did believe ,however, that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house. They didn't know who controlled congress either.
yeah I would like to say that I meant to, but it's always those little mistakes that get you, but I think I got my point across; the point that girzwald is embarrassingly easy to debate, and he is the IDIOT.
Politics is not philosophy it is a science, that is normally dealt with in an objective manner, so as long as Battim stays objective he will be correct.
Objectivity is Logical, and I would have to agree with Battim, the government has no business in social affairs, and no one should be able to use the police power of government to impose their beliefs on anyone else.
The government has no business is social affairs? Are you really that dense and stupid. Do you really have no idea how knee deep government is in social affairs?
And no one should be able to use the power of government to impose their beleifs? Wow, you really are stupid. Where do you think all our laws and standards come from? Unless you are going to argue that some supereme being is responsible for whats right and wrong, its the common will. You people are pathetically easy to defeat.
no i am not the dense or stupid. philosophy is a persepctive, anyone who knows anything about it, knows this. there are those who believe in your collectivist persoectives. a lot of folks do not. fols i recall being collectivist are stalin, castro, and mao. I believe what our founding fathers believed, that individual liberties trump the tyranny of a majority. maybe you are the one who needs to hang with the big boys. china is only a plane ride away.
I agree with your concept. They have a right to their civil unions and I have a right to teach my children that it is wrong and immoral. We can all be happy.
Pretty much all laws are moral laws. Whether something is right or wrong. They can all pretty much be boiled down to you aught to do or not do something because X is right and Y is wrong.
Murder is illegal because its wrong. Stealing is illegal because its wrong.
J walking is illegal because its unsafe and can cause problems for other people, which is wrong.
You use a lot of flawed logic. And I wonder if you realize you are a moral relativist.
you apparently didnt even listen to the vlog. most laws are about commerce. first of all. and murder is a violation of an inidviduals rights, as defined by law. are you saying scoial instinct and cooperation are genetically ingrained? seriously? you think everything is about morals? relativism? how am i doing that simply by saying private contracts should be private contracts. saying something is "wrong" is flawed logic. you missed ten steps. why is it wrong? lol.
as defined by law, murder and theft are viol;ations of the self evident rights provided for in the framing of the constitution. marriage is not one of those laws, hence, illogical step to say law should decide those things. its not relativism to say we should stick to a rule of law. but keep using big words out of context, maybe you'll fool someone.
Umm actually we do not have the right to vote. We may be granted the privilege to vote, but it is not a constitutional right; neither do we have a constitutional right to marriage, since were on the subject of rights. Kind regards, Idot
No wonder you republican scum go around intimidating people at the voting polls. Well, that explains everything. Thank god for the second amendment. I have some safety from you idiots.
I listened to your whole vlog you idiot. Murder is a violation of an individuals rights? Says who? Well, since you are clearly an atheist, I guess that would be the will of the people. So by your own philosophy, the will of the people say that gays shouldn't be able to get "married" So...looks like your argument ends there.
the only one who loses is you. you are an odd duck. murder is a violation of one's right to life. its pretty clearly stated in the constitution we have rights. to kill someone destroys those rights. logic apparently evades you.
Again. Since I am assuming you are an atheist. Who says we have the right to life? Oh I know, the common will of the people say everyone has a right to life. You keep arguing that the constitution says that we have the right. Well who the fuck do you think wrote the damn thing? PEOPLE. DURRRP.
FFS you are pathetic and easy to beat. I just wish you were smart enough to know when you were beaten, then we could possibly have an interesting discussion and you might learn something.
And it took you 3 weeks to come up with that pathetic response that I didn't even have to come up anything new to defeat? Sad.
Look, lemmie make it REALLLY simple for you.
You are a moral relativist. Therefore, all morals are subject to individual taste. But since we are social beings, we all tend to agree upon certain things in our best interest. However, that does not change the fact that literally NOTHING is written in stone, and can be changed by the will of the collective peoples.
And therefore since all morals/rules are subject to individual/collective taste...People have every right to try to change rules or enforce certain tastes. And you have zero right to say its "right" or "wrong".
Go take some philosophy courses if you wana play with the big boys. K thx.
no i am not the dense or stupid. philosophy is a persepctive, anyone who knows anything about it, knows this. there are those who believe in your collectivist persoectives. a lot of folks do not. fols i recall being collectivist are stalin, castro, and mao. I believe what our founding fathers believed, that individual liberties trump the tyranny of a majority. maybe you are the one who needs to hang with the big boys. china is only a plane ride away.
Good video. I agree with dealing with the issue logically.
Marriage is a Contract between 2 parties and should not involve the state except when the contract needs to be ended for the protection of innocent 3rd parties. In the case of Marriage, those innocent 3rd parties are children.
Since Gay couples are biologically unable to produce children naturally there is no need to sanction for them what has traditionally been an Institution based in religion.
who is trying to prevent equal rights? is marriage a legal "right" is the question? should the government be involved at all? allowing it to be private contract law allows anyone to enter into the contract. hence equal rights.
Some faith driven groups are attempting to prevent adults from entering into legal contracts i.e. civil unions, due to their gender. Im not one to get caught up in nomenclature as long as marriage and civil union entail the same rights for all.
Nice vlog. I, personally, like having my marriage recognized by the state but didn't like when the Pennsylvania Justice of the Peace invoked god and his "ordinances" during our ceremony after being asked to leave the fairy-tale bit out but we capitulated "I do-ing" to everything that was asked of us. While I agree that the U.S. government does take too much upon itself, this is one area that I welcome its acknowledgment and just wish it would grant the same right to whomsoever wishes it.
It's false. Almost in the same way that black people have been treated for hundreds of years. I am in no way comparing our struggle to theirs. It has taken hundreds of years for us to admit that we were fucking wrong. Our forefathers FUCKED that up.
Humans are humans,people are people and we should all have the same rights that everyone else has. We ask for nothing less.Keep your straight marriage. I am not trying to negate that. I am only asking for the same right that you take 4 granted.
i disagree with most of what you said and agreed with some of what you said... LOL but i get it good video. a lot of good points even if i do disagree with them.
what did you diagree with? this would keep everyone happy. then anyone could marry...your page is full of "no to prop 8" what if there were no need for it?
I think that the perks that have always been given to straight couples are good and necessary. Why? Because they are building a family. But then so are most gays and lesbians I know. They are likewise building families. So why shouldn't they have the same perks? This is a pure civil rights issue. When the EXTREMELY misdirected voters in California voted for this, I was reminded of Proposition 13. What stupidity.
Wow the comments on this one run the spectrum, don't they? I think you make a valid point about the government getting involved in moral arguments. My question for you would be where does the government stop and my legal protections begin? If there is only logic in laws (illegal/legal as you described) then who's logic are we using to say what's illegal and legal? Is it legal for me to murder someone if I really hated the bastard and felt the world would be better without him?
The more I see, the more I'm ready to declare myself Libertarion - although I am deeply opposed to any politcal party affiliation. I want the government out of my house, off my property and away from my body. Don't believe in gay marriage? Don't get into one. Don't believe in abortion? Don't have one.
Can't be bothered to understand what a variable rate mortgage is? Too bad, suck it up when that payment skyrockets. Can't afford your mortgage down the road? Don't get into one.
Another part of Prop. 8 that fried my ass in a BIG way is the religious backing of the campaigning to pass it - specifically the Mormon church. Church enjoy being tax exempt and in my world, that means stay the fuck out of government decisions. Churches are not allowed to publicly endorce a political candidate nor actively campaign for one or they lose their tax exempt status, WHY OH EFFING WHY isn't that same rule applied to when they campaign for laws?
After what the Mormon church just pulled in CA with Prop. 8 I say revoke their tax exempt status immediately. Want to get in the game of politics? PAY TAXES! With that said, I'm just livid that people got to vote on whether or not other people they don't even know and never will meet get to marry or not. I'm so disgusted with CA right now. If two consenting adults of any gender are not free to marry, then abolish all marriage.
The founders of this country were rich slave owners who formed a plan to increase their wealth and power at the expense of the people All countries are formed based off a Utopian lie and manage with hypocrisy. You interpret the constitution to your own benefit like religious people do to their books.
You don't understand pragmatic political evolution. Radical revolution, as you speak of, has NEVER worked. As the Russians and the French, it leads to more REvolution or bloodshed. II interpret it as it was written. We have documents to know the founding fathers intent.
and you are saying the "Reason" and "logic" arfe the same as saying "the bible says so" well, the conversation can't go far. because that is a basic misunderstanding of critical thinking.
for me its not about anyone being gay, its about the use of the word marriage. the separation of church and state was bullshit, it was to make anti religious ppl comfortable. i bet our forefathers would not stand for that..check your money check te pledge of allegence, the word god on our money has been there forever and we just added god to the pledge in the 50's so it looks like god is still going strong in our government.
DuvalOutlaw 2 months ago
@DuvalOutlaw so semantics allows you to violate people equal access to contract law? You apparently don't understand what separation of church and state means. It means the government cannot institure a religious conviction as law. Take a basic constitutional class.
battim 2 months ago
I say ban straight marriage and gay divorce: everybody loses...muhahahaha!!
ukpolemic 7 months ago
@1stickperson1 god is not love, god does not exist
retrogamerist 8 months ago
I never intended to make myself seem better than anyone. we were all sinners, some of us still are. Im not. But even in the Bible we say that God destroys Soddom and Ghommorah for her sins, which included homosexuality. if it werent wrong, then why do people have to fight to make it right, shouldnt it be just natural.
-response to comment made long ago.
tmmsbasebal 11 months ago
@tmmsbasebal People had to fight for women's rights and against racism. Clearly, treating people fairly isn't natural to some people. Also, you cannot apply the rules given by your belief system to anyone else any more than you can apply the rules of another belief system to an entire population. That is unless it ceases to be a belief system and becomes provable fact.
aMidnightBreeze 1 month ago
Moral Relativism is degrading on society whether you think it or not. If you look through history empires fall as their morals degrade. the roman empire is a prime example they were too busy trying to have sex orgies and gladiator games and dishonest practices to defend themselves from some no account barbarians. The romans had conquered the world. they became selfish and hedonistic and were bickering amongst themselves is why they fell. Morals and moral people are what hold our country together
jonmcd13 11 months ago
@jonmcd13 @jonmcd13 they didnt degrade because of gay marriage. the idea that the gay commujnity wants monogamous and responsible relationships is immoral in your world? that would seem to be contradictory. what is immoral about wanting to love your soulmate? moral absolutism has caused as many empires to fall as anything. marxism and islamism=moral absolutism. empires fall for dynamic varying reason.simplifying the fall of the roman empire as you have is simple minded.
battim 11 months ago
wow dude....ur spitting out a lot of big words but you dont seem like you know anything that your talking about
LittleMsRevenge 1 year ago
@LittleMsRevenge do you have any specific instances or are you too busy misspelling things to realize that perhaps,, without any merit to your argument, you look like a complete tool?
battim 1 year ago
Well I just read the civil rights bill and story of how and why it was passed. Seems like a good thing without quatas. You make people think and investigate. Good for you. I still liked Rons answer to make all marriage civil unions and leave marriage up to the church.
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
@battim Well in that case I hope ron paul doesnt win in the 2008 elections. I think that you agree with me that we really didnt have a choice in 2008. Ron Paul seemed like the best to me but if what you say is right I was wrong. You are kind of making me horny the way you are so aggressive. I am sub scribing to your channel now!!!
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
Well anyway, your a very attractive guy with some real good points. I simply liked some of Rons solutions which was basically removing most of goverment control, u can never force people not to discrimnate this is truly not a free society. I am gay and have been victim to discrimation myself a couple of times, but still see his point concerning discrimanation.
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray he has no solutions. he wants to abolish government as we know it., he wants no regualtions on big companies, he wants legalized discrimination. ron paul is for a company denying you a job if you are gay. ron paul is for a bar denying you service because you are gay. ron paul beleives it should be legal to doscrimnate against you simply because you are gay.
battim 1 year ago
@battim Well in that case I hope ron paul doesnt win in the 2008 elections. I think that you agree with me that we really didnt have a choice in 2008. Ron Paul seemed like the best to me but if what you say is right I was wrong. You are kind of making me horny the way you are so aggressive. I am sub scribing to your channel now!!!
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray ron paul is for legalized discrimination. ron and rand paul think a private comapny can deny you employment and service based on the fact you are gay. ron paul says nothing of quotas. he beleives that any private firm can deny service and employment to anyone for any reason, including being gay.
battim 1 year ago
This is wikipedia says Ron Paul said about Civil Rights. I can find nothing suggesting service denied. He says proving civil rights violations can be very difficult and result in more drama. He says it was a failure. I like ron, he likes gays.
Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray the civil rights act, as ron and rand paul have claimed, does not allow a businessman to deny service on the basis of race. they oppose it becuase they believe a business man should have the right to discriminate. the civil rights ac t does not requite quota so that is BESIDES the point. but keep talking about things you have no idea what it says. racial harmony is better thna its ever been. copying and pasting ron paul makes you look silly. do you think for yourself?
battim 1 year ago
@battim What I am doing is investagating your silly claim that ron paul is for discrimanation. I copy and past to prove his point. You should copy and paste as well because I just cant seem to find anything proving your side. I find you very sexy and love the harmless debate.
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray lol. tthe law proves me side. you havent read it.
battim 1 year ago
In your video you say you always have an issue when the goverment tries to have a moral authortie on things. And you really were for the civil rights actt. that is exactly what that was put into place for. Is it that you are only against the goverment when it attacks your liberty to do with your life what you will. Ron Paul says that the civil rights bill is taking away the rights of companys to hire who the hell they want to. This is a moral issue.
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray discrimination is not a moral issue. its the law. equal protection under the law. freedom is not a moral issue. its self evident. the freedom to do ocmmerce freely is not moral. its freedom. we hold the truths...ron paul never mentions hiring anyone. the quote you cite makes no refgerecen to employment and neither does the law. its about the ability to discirminate clientelle. you should really read what it is you speak of before you wikipedia it.
battim 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray you keep repeating yourself and ignore the response i gave to your statements, you really are not bright. the civil rights law simply states that all folks have the right to contract law. all folks have self evident rights. that not morality, its equality. the civil rights acts does not dictate who folks can hire. please read the law. your arrgument is vapid because you havent even read the law. lol.
battim 1 year ago
Ron Paul had the answer, He said that all marriages should be cival unions then let the church decide on the marriage question. Ron Paul was really the best choice for America, to bad he didnt have a chance. The illuminati backed McCain and Obama just couldnt lose. They are both paid for by the illuminati. If you want to win a race why not buy both parties. We really dont have a choice in America with our bogus ellections where Bush Jr. proved our votes dont really count anyway.
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray illuminati? good god. as for ron paul te klan and stormfront backed him. i have a hard time agreeing with them.
battim 1 year ago
@battim illuminati , yes it is real and they have alot of power. Ron Paul if you really listen to him he is so right on, on so many issues. He offered real solutions.
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray ron paul is a moron. which issue do you mean putting prayert in schools? prolife? teaching creationism in science class? repealing the civil rights act? ron paul has ties to the john nirch society, the klan and storm front. he has a grand wizard of the klan run his campaign in michigan. his newletters are amongst the most racist and homophobic i have ever read. he is a moron.
battim 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray I disagree, Ron Paul seems like a real nice guy to me, but not well funded by the illuminati.. oh sorry, I meant to say corporate america. kinda the same thing really.. and you are not forced to beleive in things like illuminati. I have found that showing people how the sky is falling around them never works. One day you will see for yourself.
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray a lot of klan supporters seem like real nice men, they aren't ron paul has repeatedly called for a repeal of the civil rights act in congress. i do see things for myself, corporations are multinational, not american anymore. you assume because ron paul is against coroporate america? lol. he has voted against every regualtion ever brought up. lol. google ron paul newletter.
battim 1 year ago
@battim Here is his statement concerning cival rights bill... "The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society" his view is that forcing people to meet a quata of minorities is unconstitutional. I know alot of white people that lose contracts because the company needs to meet their quata. It has now resulted in reverse discrimination. I agree with him 100 percent. Next isse?
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray no sir. its not about quotas. he believes that business owners can deny service to anyone of color. that is freedom to ron paul. the licensed empolyers can deny serving blacks, hispanics, whoever. please reaqds what he said, not what you want it to say. the civil rights act has nothing to do with employment. you are wrong.
battim 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray so murder is an action i find abhorrent, should i repsect your right to murder? theft is abhorrent. corporate greed is abohorrent should i respect those things because some beleive them? make up your mind, first you rail against corporations then you support folks like ron paul that defend them and pull regulations off them. you are a walking contradiction.
battim 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray so when are you goinf to address the racist newletters ron paul personally funded? his employees being memeber of the klan? his contributions from neonazis and stormfront he refused to give back? do you even know how stupid you look by bringing up quotas in a discussion of the civil rights act? the civil rights act says notihng of quotas.
battim 1 year ago
@battim Leave the whole mystical aspect out of it, it is a real organization with real money and real power. Check out vigilent citizen dot com
TheRickmurray 1 year ago
@TheRickmurray oogie boogie. lol. you point to a website so it must be true. lol.
battim 1 year ago
@1stickperson1 You god damned nature lover!!! hey, wait... I love ya too :)
Cindercheth 1 year ago
Ok!! If anyone can answer me? ! ..You seems to claim that Homosexuals can't get married!!!because of Bible said this Bible said that.. and yet ..USA is (quite) the best in Human Right ..Equality..But How you guys puts Equality Right and Christianity together???
namkun78 1 year ago
@namkun78 who are you talking to? i never said anything like that
battim 1 year ago
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@1stickperson1 what do you mean, get over it? You are the ones fighting for rights.
Tomaldinho9 1 year ago
At this point, the argument is idiotic. Just leave it at civil unions, seriously why such a big deal?
JohanVonDoorf 1 year ago
the "gays arent the same a straights, so they shouldn't be treated the same" is like saying "blacks and whites are different, so they cant be treated the same" at this rate, gays and bisexuals (like me) are going to end up being slaves, as it seems we're on a downhill right now
animation508 1 year ago
@animation508 i cannot disagree. in places like gaza, iran, saudi arabia they are executed.
battim 1 year ago
@battim it's disgusting
animation508 1 year ago
@animation508 what is?
battim 1 year ago
You make some valid points.
Just keep in mind that MOST laws have a moral component, so this idea that government shouldn't "legislate morality" isn't really valid.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot so long as they dont violate equal protection under the law. this does.
battim 1 year ago
state recognition\intervention in marriage should be reduced to household economic relations ... you are going to piss one group or another anyway.
ConstantC4 1 year ago
WOW! I love seeing someone with a clear view of what this country was based on. You not only hit the nail on the head but drove it in with one shot! We need more people with your attitude in this country. The only thing I disagree with you on is that people deserved to get fucked by mortgage companies. Banks should be forced to be honest. Yes, a lot of people didn't pay attention, but a lot of people got screwed by lying mortgage brokers, too.
dimondwoof 1 year ago
@dimondwoof never sign a contract without consulting a lawyer. if one is going into a debt two three times the size of their annual incomes, my suggestion would be to seek an objective observer before signing a contract 40 pages long. banks are by law supposed to be honest. doesnt mean they are.
battim 11 months ago
amen, in a secualr sense, that is. i am not a big god person, but i am a big human rights person. if there is a god, my assumption he'd be proud of all of his creation.
battim 1 year ago
@battim nah, we're all huge sinners. god couldn't create a species he'd be proud of, because pride is a sin. he doomed us from the start. much love :).
jiiibatsam 1 year ago
The logic makes sense. If people can vote away marriage to gay people than it should be just as legal to vote away marriage to straight people.
It's only fair.
Personally I don't believe in marriage. It's a primitive practice of coupling one's children to make and share money. But if people want to dedicate themselves to each other under the name of the government or a god, then I see no reason deny them that.
ginkiba3 1 year ago
primitive maybe. innate maybe. funny i was just having this discussion with someone today. i think its the very core of the ideological struggle between islam and modernity. one that modernity usually overcomes, given the proper circumstances.
battim 1 year ago
He said that he doesn't need anyone to take care of him? WOW!!!
We Americans are so spoiled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zantle77 1 year ago
@Zantle77 yes some are.
battim 1 year ago
This is an excellent video!! Government should get the fuck out of people's lives and stop worrying about all of the fuck ups in this or any other country! You're absolutely correct on everything!
5stars!
monk3y64wiiman 2 years ago 3
Someone told me that its not against gays. Its against same sex marriage. If two non gay people wished to get married they could not. See its all far, tee hee
DaAmericanHammer 2 years ago
so why not call it same sex marriage?
battim 2 years ago
Yes, I did vote against gay marriage.
marriage is a joining of a man and a woman physically and spiritually in the eyes of GOD.
I think if the founding father looked at what our country has become they would be disappointed.
I am not a really churchy type of person, but asking GOD to bless a gay marriage is like cheating on your wife, getting caught and not asking for forgiveness.
This country was founded on Christain believes and their you have it.
DaAmericanHammer 2 years ago
the law doesnt specify anything about god, marriage predates the god of arbraham. so your definition is faulty.
battim 2 years ago
This country was founded by Christian beliefs MY ASSSSSS. Christopher Columbus was an evil person let's just say that right now. Secondly, Native Americans were here first and they had a totally different religion. Do you like being the reason why the suicide rate in America is increasing? Do you like being the cause of the hate going on in America? You're not even American, it's called the Melting Pot for a reason.
OnTheToiletBeyotch 2 years ago
@OnTheToiletBeyotch Columbus never set foot in the US and the Spanish had nothing to do with the early colonial government
BarthBunzel 1 year ago
Give your partner the power of attorney.
As far as freedom of expression goes if anyone offends(frightens) my kids, I am going to separte their whites from their yokes.
I will not tell my kids that gays are evil, just different.
How would you explain it to your kids?
DaAmericanHammer 2 years ago
doesnt work that way. power of attorney does not give them rights to a living will or the ability to make life decisions. what is it you fear so much about gay marriage? every marriage is different, why discriminate and violate "equal protection under the law"
battim 2 years ago
I do not "fear gay marriage".
I have been married for 10 years and never had to deal with a living will or make a life decision(knock on wood). Is this what gays are mad about, I think not.
DaAmericanHammer 2 years ago
actually yes. one of the main arguments is that only blood relatives and relatives by marital contract are allowed such. you should read into it. i say its a private contract, whoever whats to do it should have equal rights. who cares?
battim 2 years ago
You can perfer as you like. Tell me who is not free? Gays are free to do as they please. Just don't ask me to believe that its right. I work with 300 people and about 5 are gay. The only reason I know that is because they hit you on the head with their gayness. I wish I could not care, but gays love to flaunt their gayness.
It not enough for them to be gay, you have to acknowledge and tell them their are right.
DaAmericanHammer 2 years ago
gays are not free to enter into contracts that allow them to make decisions for their chosen partners. the are not free to adopt. if one shows up to your work party with their wife, do they hit you on the head with their straightness? its not enough for you to be straight then either, because you have need to feel being straight is right. apparently the freedom of expression has limitations so long as it may offend you. lol. my goodness.
battim 2 years ago
Its all about control, buddy
So is that an upside down cross around your neck or a swastika. I kid
You make some good points Guys are peolpe too, but I don't want my kids being taught that homosexuality is right. Stay in the closet!!!
DaAmericanHammer 2 years ago
its not upside down. its symmetrical. you can teach your kids whatever you want to teach them.
battim 2 years ago
there is no preference. I'd have to like both sexes to begin with, to have a preference. There can't be a preference when you're attracted to just one sex. I see how this could maybe be confusing to bisexuals or smth since they have feelings towards both.
morag815 2 years ago
well preference infers free will, i simply don't fall down on the free will side, so i use that term very loosely. i think muddying the arguement of whether one is naturally gay or socialized gay does a disservice to the argument as a whole. it really doesn't matter. freedom has no boundaries.
battim 2 years ago
okay, I can see your point. but the thing is having feelings (either sexual or purely emotional) for someone of the sam sex is not something a person can control. what we can control is if we pursue our feelings and try to form a relationship. sexuality isn't like food, and most people just can't pick and choose who they like.
morag815 2 years ago
Ban all "marriage". Isn't it a "religious" idea anyway. Call it civil union. Make it all equal.
bridgettedunn 2 years ago
Maybe people will learn to not be so mental and tune into their emotions when it comes to personal commitment. Too many force themselves into things because they THINK they should do it.
But the only way I see it possible is without government (anywhere) and less stress by ultimately useless time-consuming obligations to society at large that only end up draining the individual, wiping out rain forests and polluting the atmosphere.
Unfortunately, people will learn when the shit hits the fan.
jonsalvator 2 years ago
How the FFFF did I miss this one!
Cause you have a lot of vids, that's why >:(
:)
BiSensual 2 years ago
Hate belongs in church along with racism and homophobia. Real people don't beat their children with a bible.
IanVictorian 2 years ago 9
Church is the exact opposite of hate. Why does everybody think that Christians are bad people? It is a faith based on love and acceptance. I am a christian and I don't hate, I'm not a racist, and I am not homophobic and neither are any of my friends who are Christians. I am also positive that you have Christian friends who you are insulting with that comment.
punxunited85 2 years ago
I used to, but they decided I was the antiChrist years ago... except for the gay ones, they just decided I was a bitch...now they are saying that its Obama,not me... finally
IanVictorian 2 years ago
It's because of hundreds and thousands of years of Christians telling people that they're sinners in order to control their choices. This is taught in MANY churches whether or not you personally do that.
You're a good person because you're a good person. It's not because you're Christian you are non-racist, non-homophobic etc. I, personally, don't see love and acceptance when birth control, homosexuality, pre-marital sex are considered "sins".
Existantia 2 years ago
Yes, you CAN vote on heterosexual marriage--chances are you will lose because most Americans understand what marriage entails. But go ahead, no one is stopping you.
mockingyouingeneral 2 years ago
good video
007sarodim 3 years ago
thanks. i am sorry you didnt like this one. i am all for private contracts between folks regardless if they are same sex ornot. happy new year.
battim 3 years ago
Well, according to my psychology class, everything about people is part environment, and part genetic. It can't just be all nature, or all nurture. I agree with you on the marriage and contract concept.
Darrelkun 3 years ago
Some good thoughts here, but I don't see how both sides can be wrong here.
What part of "We want to have the same legal protections for our marriages that straight people enjoy. We want to be able to visit our spouses in the hospital, we want to be able to share our medical benefits with our spouse,
"we want to be able to leave things to them in our wills and not have that ruined by greedy family members and legal systems that might discriminate,--
42662113 3 years ago 2
Look battim, I am a divorce lawyer (for real, no joke) and you can't be serious. I could take days explaining to an engaged couple all the legal ramifications of getting married, but they wouldn't listen - nor would it make anyone decide not to get married. Marriages don't last as long as they used to because things change faster than they used to - and because men haven't changed (they still cheat and get drunk, etc.) and women have (they won't put up with that stuff anymore).
Atlavocat 3 years ago
i can be serious when i say get marriage out of the public sector. its a private contract and private decision.
battim 3 years ago
Certainly marriages are private decisions, but they are much more than private contracts, they are "civil contracts" that have considerable legal consequences (as you pointed out previously). There are legal advantages and disadvantages to being married. Your legal status (as married or single) affect your taxes, your inheritance rights, your immigration status, your ability to contract with others, etc.. Established laws concerning marriage have two hundred years of legal precedence.
Atlavocat 3 years ago
they are civil contracts because law has made them so. law can make them not so as well. there are legal advantages to having a limited liability corporation, its still a private contract among investors. txes should be based on individual assets, as they are in every other private contract.
battim 3 years ago
this is a double, somebody is impersonating Battim.
beornborg 3 years ago
dont tell anyone...
battim 3 years ago
well said. It would be nice if all str8 people who got married had to go through a 200 page application and let them know once you sign - you can not divorce for any reason. even if you get beaten with a stick 3 times a day!
rightclicksave 3 years ago
Brilliant as always.
1flesh1prop 3 years ago
I agree all marriage is fucked.
PantslessNinja 3 years ago
I'm for letting gays get married too. That will keep the divorce lawyers busy for awhile. And talk about "spreading the wealth", they (gays) can find out what paying child support and alimony is like too.
timthecop 3 years ago
They should just get rid of legal marriage altogether, just let it be a private religious matter.
takerdust 3 years ago 2
amen, so to speak
battim 3 years ago
In Israel there is no civil marriage, so people who want to get married have to go to their religious leaders to get married, but if the couple is of different religious faiths their church(synagogue, temple, etc.) won't let them - so they get married outside the country.
Atlavocat 3 years ago
I am completely for gay marriage. After all why shouldn't they be miserable like the rest of us?
Sugarartz 3 years ago
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lol. no doubt
battim 3 years ago
Hahahaha,I'll take all the blessing I can get.
1liljet 3 years ago
WHAT PAY 15 BUCKS!!! I HAD TO PAY 60! I feel so raped.... Those fuckers.
Briena1982 3 years ago
Ive been saying that this shit goes against the 14th amendment since the begining. Ive been told I was wrong, stupid, etc... I love this one "Marriage is not a right" says a married guy, THAN WHY ARE YOU MARRIED? UGH Idiots.
Briena1982 3 years ago
Loved listening to you, straight talker! I am there with you. Here's one, that just speaks to the hypocrisy of the whole Yes on 8 issue: their motto was something like "save marriage as it was intended to be" or "save the sanctity of marriage" or something like that, right?--somehow with some moral biblical bent..weeell, if you follow THAT argument LOGICALLY, and accept that this kind of shit should be LEGISTLATED, well then shouldn't it be "make divorce illegal"??! HA (huh)
LesDirect 3 years ago
Lookin' good all clean shaven and shit,crazy.
Oh yeah,good video too.
Haha, you were talking about phallic symbols.
I know,I know it's fallacy!
1liljet 3 years ago
sign a marriage contract like a home mortgage.this will keep you reading for hours before you sign.. oops , forgot about the downside of foreclosures.lol.Ok, contracts,period.oops, you just said that one. ok, we agree Battim.Put this on VH. this is an awsome thinker. shawny *
aliveformyself 3 years ago
wouldn't it be cool if people had to take a multiple choice test about the candidates before they were allowed to vote? Maybe then obama wouldn't be the president elect. Most of the people who voted for obama didn't even know who Bill Ayers is.
ab1tchslap 3 years ago
Yes!!! I have always been an advocate for a voter prerequisite test, the founding fathers also felt that not just anyone should select the leaders, leave it up to the most informed, and sagacious people.
standj21 3 years ago
Yes!!!! And we should go back to only white men with property could vote too!!! Idiot.
medicatedsaint 3 years ago
Are you saying that minorities and women would not have the ability to pass a voter competency test? People who don't know about the candidates should not vote, they might even change their vote if they took the time to learn a little about the candidates. Just watch the video entitled Harlem voters. These people need to educate themselves. Its some people's civic duty not to vote.
ab1tchslap 3 years ago
ad hom statement only make you look like you dont have an argument medicatedsaint.
battim 3 years ago
It's "ad hominem" (Latin: against the man) But you're right, personal attacks only show the weakness of the proponent's argument (and lack of intelligence).
Atlavocat 3 years ago
i shortened the pharase, i am quite aware of its origin.
battim 3 years ago
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BEING GAY is wrong. and about barac obama minding his business, he cant this is his country sort of, he's the president this contry is he's business.being gay is not genetic.he isnt dictating, if dey legalized drugs, than this whole country would b polluted, if they legalized prostitution,god knows what will happen. do u no wat ur talkin about? r u gay? i fil sory for u, dont worry i'l pray for u, may god 4give,n clense u wit da blood dat jesus shed on calvary,n evry 1 else dat fil the sam as u.
tmmsbasebal 3 years ago
Not being able to spell for shit and criticizing someone else's lifestyle, making yourself seem better than them, we should be praying for you.
MoreThanBombs 2 years ago 4
Who cares.
medicatedsaint 3 years ago
gay people, apparently.
battim 3 years ago
Wow, nobody knew who Bill Ayers was? I find that hard to believe when every idiot like you from here to the South of the Mason Dixon shouted from the rooftops who this guy was.
medicatedsaint 3 years ago
Please, go up to a random Obama voter and ask them if they know who Bill Ayers is. There was already a survey where they took about ten Obama supporters and asked them if they knew who Bill Ayers was and none of them did. They did believe ,however, that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house. They didn't know who controlled congress either.
ab1tchslap 3 years ago
(standj21)I like how you misspelled idiot.
ab1tchslap 3 years ago
yeah I would like to say that I meant to, but it's always those little mistakes that get you, but I think I got my point across; the point that girzwald is embarrassingly easy to debate, and he is the IDIOT.
standj21 3 years ago
Politics is not philosophy it is a science, that is normally dealt with in an objective manner, so as long as Battim stays objective he will be correct.
standj21 3 years ago
Objectivity is Logical, and I would have to agree with Battim, the government has no business in social affairs, and no one should be able to use the police power of government to impose their beliefs on anyone else.
standj21 3 years ago
The government has no business is social affairs? Are you really that dense and stupid. Do you really have no idea how knee deep government is in social affairs?
And no one should be able to use the power of government to impose their beleifs? Wow, you really are stupid. Where do you think all our laws and standards come from? Unless you are going to argue that some supereme being is responsible for whats right and wrong, its the common will. You people are pathetically easy to defeat.
girzwald3 3 years ago
no i am not the dense or stupid. philosophy is a persepctive, anyone who knows anything about it, knows this. there are those who believe in your collectivist persoectives. a lot of folks do not. fols i recall being collectivist are stalin, castro, and mao. I believe what our founding fathers believed, that individual liberties trump the tyranny of a majority. maybe you are the one who needs to hang with the big boys. china is only a plane ride away.
battim 3 years ago
I agree with your concept. They have a right to their civil unions and I have a right to teach my children that it is wrong and immoral. We can all be happy.
albatrossforlife 3 years ago
Pretty much all laws are moral laws. Whether something is right or wrong. They can all pretty much be boiled down to you aught to do or not do something because X is right and Y is wrong.
Murder is illegal because its wrong. Stealing is illegal because its wrong.
J walking is illegal because its unsafe and can cause problems for other people, which is wrong.
You use a lot of flawed logic. And I wonder if you realize you are a moral relativist.
girzwald3 3 years ago
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you apparently didnt even listen to the vlog. most laws are about commerce. first of all. and murder is a violation of an inidviduals rights, as defined by law. are you saying scoial instinct and cooperation are genetically ingrained? seriously? you think everything is about morals? relativism? how am i doing that simply by saying private contracts should be private contracts. saying something is "wrong" is flawed logic. you missed ten steps. why is it wrong? lol.
battim 3 years ago
as defined by law, murder and theft are viol;ations of the self evident rights provided for in the framing of the constitution. marriage is not one of those laws, hence, illogical step to say law should decide those things. its not relativism to say we should stick to a rule of law. but keep using big words out of context, maybe you'll fool someone.
battim 3 years ago
But anyway im wasting my time with someone such as yourself who is playing philosophy professor.
Oh and I couldn't explain why everything you said was wrong cause im only allowed 500 characters a post you douche bag.
FFS you are such an idiot.
girzwald3 3 years ago
girzwald, I'll bet youre the kind of person that thinks that we have a right to vote arent you, or that we have a democracy?
Oh, and why do you feel the need to be so militant?
standj21 3 years ago
We dont have a right to vote? Oh, then what was that thing a good number of us participated in a few weeks ago.
FFS you are an idiot as well.
girzwald3 3 years ago
Umm actually we do not have the right to vote. We may be granted the privilege to vote, but it is not a constitutional right; neither do we have a constitutional right to marriage, since were on the subject of rights. Kind regards, Idot
standj21 3 years ago
No wonder you republican scum go around intimidating people at the voting polls. Well, that explains everything. Thank god for the second amendment. I have some safety from you idiots.
medicatedsaint 3 years ago
I listened to your whole vlog you idiot. Murder is a violation of an individuals rights? Says who? Well, since you are clearly an atheist, I guess that would be the will of the people. So by your own philosophy, the will of the people say that gays shouldn't be able to get "married" So...looks like your argument ends there.
You lose.
girzwald3 3 years ago
the only one who loses is you. you are an odd duck. murder is a violation of one's right to life. its pretty clearly stated in the constitution we have rights. to kill someone destroys those rights. logic apparently evades you.
battim 3 years ago
Again. Since I am assuming you are an atheist. Who says we have the right to life? Oh I know, the common will of the people say everyone has a right to life. You keep arguing that the constitution says that we have the right. Well who the fuck do you think wrote the damn thing? PEOPLE. DURRRP.
FFS you are pathetic and easy to beat. I just wish you were smart enough to know when you were beaten, then we could possibly have an interesting discussion and you might learn something.
You lose.
girzwald3 3 years ago
And it took you 3 weeks to come up with that pathetic response that I didn't even have to come up anything new to defeat? Sad.
Look, lemmie make it REALLLY simple for you.
You are a moral relativist. Therefore, all morals are subject to individual taste. But since we are social beings, we all tend to agree upon certain things in our best interest. However, that does not change the fact that literally NOTHING is written in stone, and can be changed by the will of the collective peoples.
girzwald3 3 years ago
And therefore since all morals/rules are subject to individual/collective taste...People have every right to try to change rules or enforce certain tastes. And you have zero right to say its "right" or "wrong".
Go take some philosophy courses if you wana play with the big boys. K thx.
girzwald3 3 years ago
no i am not the dense or stupid. philosophy is a persepctive, anyone who knows anything about it, knows this. there are those who believe in your collectivist persoectives. a lot of folks do not. fols i recall being collectivist are stalin, castro, and mao. I believe what our founding fathers believed, that individual liberties trump the tyranny of a majority. maybe you are the one who needs to hang with the big boys. china is only a plane ride away.
battim 3 years ago
Good video. I agree with dealing with the issue logically.
Marriage is a Contract between 2 parties and should not involve the state except when the contract needs to be ended for the protection of innocent 3rd parties. In the case of Marriage, those innocent 3rd parties are children.
Since Gay couples are biologically unable to produce children naturally there is no need to sanction for them what has traditionally been an Institution based in religion.
RevolutionOfCG 3 years ago
They can enter into other contracts or 'civil unions' and call it 'marriage' if that's what they want to do.
RevolutionOfCG 3 years ago
problem is civil unions aren't covered under interstate commerce laws. private contracts would be.
battim 3 years ago
Give them the same legal weight as a contract, of course.
RevolutionOfCG 3 years ago
Such a waste of time and energy to prevent equal rights.
Steadno 3 years ago
who is trying to prevent equal rights? is marriage a legal "right" is the question? should the government be involved at all? allowing it to be private contract law allows anyone to enter into the contract. hence equal rights.
battim 3 years ago
Some faith driven groups are attempting to prevent adults from entering into legal contracts i.e. civil unions, due to their gender. Im not one to get caught up in nomenclature as long as marriage and civil union entail the same rights for all.
Steadno 3 years ago
Nice vlog. I, personally, like having my marriage recognized by the state but didn't like when the Pennsylvania Justice of the Peace invoked god and his "ordinances" during our ceremony after being asked to leave the fairy-tale bit out but we capitulated "I do-ing" to everything that was asked of us. While I agree that the U.S. government does take too much upon itself, this is one area that I welcome its acknowledgment and just wish it would grant the same right to whomsoever wishes it.
Elaina43 3 years ago
thanks for stopping by. your input is always rational. how are you?
battim 3 years ago
5@@@@@!
tvat1 3 years ago
I agree we should ban straight marriage too!!
I am willing to give up that right...why get married? Men are dying to get divorces
i2ad10head 3 years ago
some literally dying..I swore I'd love you til the end of time. Praying for the end of time,
so I can end my time with you!!!
battim 3 years ago
It's false. Almost in the same way that black people have been treated for hundreds of years. I am in no way comparing our struggle to theirs. It has taken hundreds of years for us to admit that we were fucking wrong. Our forefathers FUCKED that up.
Humans are humans,people are people and we should all have the same rights that everyone else has. We ask for nothing less.Keep your straight marriage. I am not trying to negate that. I am only asking for the same right that you take 4 granted.
jtswhip 3 years ago
a contract is an agreement not a right. did you listen to the vlog? if it were private contract law, anyone could get married. thats the point.
battim 3 years ago
i disagree with most of what you said and agreed with some of what you said... LOL but i get it good video. a lot of good points even if i do disagree with them.
rkearns1985 3 years ago
what did you diagree with? this would keep everyone happy. then anyone could marry...your page is full of "no to prop 8" what if there were no need for it?
battim 3 years ago
rob's not gay...
battim 3 years ago
I think that the perks that have always been given to straight couples are good and necessary. Why? Because they are building a family. But then so are most gays and lesbians I know. They are likewise building families. So why shouldn't they have the same perks? This is a pure civil rights issue. When the EXTREMELY misdirected voters in California voted for this, I was reminded of Proposition 13. What stupidity.
robtran 3 years ago
Fuck Robtran
TheMacBearClan 3 years ago
rob, stay the fuck away from youtube
IdiAminBear 3 years ago
Rob Tran Is a tool, a cunt, a fat shit and a dooshbag
JamminBear 3 years ago
and a picklehead too
beornborg 3 years ago
It's time for a civil war 2
theAstud 3 years ago
Wow the comments on this one run the spectrum, don't they? I think you make a valid point about the government getting involved in moral arguments. My question for you would be where does the government stop and my legal protections begin? If there is only logic in laws (illegal/legal as you described) then who's logic are we using to say what's illegal and legal? Is it legal for me to murder someone if I really hated the bastard and felt the world would be better without him?
missdivinestalls 3 years ago
The more I see, the more I'm ready to declare myself Libertarion - although I am deeply opposed to any politcal party affiliation. I want the government out of my house, off my property and away from my body. Don't believe in gay marriage? Don't get into one. Don't believe in abortion? Don't have one.
Michelle5451 3 years ago
Can't be bothered to understand what a variable rate mortgage is? Too bad, suck it up when that payment skyrockets. Can't afford your mortgage down the road? Don't get into one.
Michelle5451 3 years ago
Another part of Prop. 8 that fried my ass in a BIG way is the religious backing of the campaigning to pass it - specifically the Mormon church. Church enjoy being tax exempt and in my world, that means stay the fuck out of government decisions. Churches are not allowed to publicly endorce a political candidate nor actively campaign for one or they lose their tax exempt status, WHY OH EFFING WHY isn't that same rule applied to when they campaign for laws?
Michelle5451 3 years ago
After what the Mormon church just pulled in CA with Prop. 8 I say revoke their tax exempt status immediately. Want to get in the game of politics? PAY TAXES! With that said, I'm just livid that people got to vote on whether or not other people they don't even know and never will meet get to marry or not. I'm so disgusted with CA right now. If two consenting adults of any gender are not free to marry, then abolish all marriage.
Michelle5451 3 years ago
Interesting take on it all... enjoyed it sir.
nbwulf 3 years ago
thanks, where ya been on SV?
battim 3 years ago
Barely have time to keep up with vids on YT as of late. Great folks there... I'll find time soon.
nbwulf 3 years ago
The founders of this country were rich slave owners who formed a plan to increase their wealth and power at the expense of the people All countries are formed based off a Utopian lie and manage with hypocrisy. You interpret the constitution to your own benefit like religious people do to their books.
lukewarmstorm 3 years ago
You don't understand pragmatic political evolution. Radical revolution, as you speak of, has NEVER worked. As the Russians and the French, it leads to more REvolution or bloodshed. II interpret it as it was written. We have documents to know the founding fathers intent.
battim 3 years ago
and you are saying the "Reason" and "logic" arfe the same as saying "the bible says so" well, the conversation can't go far. because that is a basic misunderstanding of critical thinking.
battim 3 years ago