I agree with CapitalistPhil: It feels contrary to how you would think but one of the best way to increase kids' self esteem is to improve their academic achievement. Just look at ProjectFollowthrough- a massive experiment done in America- out of all the teaching methods only two produced gains in kids in academic and self-esteem domains was Direct Instruction and Behaviour Analysis. Methods like the one shown above that are meant to make kids happier actually do the oppososite.
@kapriole Which one? One is a comment on the state of educational methods and is highly appropriate. The other is a joke which is pretty much appropriate on sites such as youtube.
Well, as someone who knows a little about best educational practice, this seems like a load of rubbish. A bit of research into this school reveals it eschews evaluation, sets not goals for/with the students, no curriculum, no nothing. It's day care. Here's a bit of hard truth for you. Without proper, Direct Instruction, Precision Teaching methods of evaluation and rigorous academic conduct we will not advance as a society.
@CapitalistPhil There is no such a thing like best educational practice. But everybody has to find out for himself, what works best for him. Do some more research about those schools, and you will find astonishing results.
@kapriole How is it possible to examine the results of these kind of schools when there is no evidence because of the lack of measurement of learning. We cannot tell whether learning is taking place if we can't measure it. And there is the research out there. I've read it (and I know for a fact CapitalistPhil has too). Which research specifically are you taking about, I'd be interested to take a look. (being a scientist I will always examine the evidence before making a decision).
@kapriole Well actually there is. There is evidence, and results and data. Those "schools" produce intellectually and rationally stunted individuals. Believe me, the modern idea that school should be fun and happy to motivate students is nonsense. Students can and do learn to enjoy the nature of learning and become competent individuals in short order when instructed properly, not the emotionally-stunted, intellectually warped products of these happy-clappy institutions.
@CapitalistPhil 1. I don't know wich institutions are happy-clappy. I know that Sudbury Schools aren't founded on the idea that school should be fun - although there is nothing wrong with having fun, and Sudbury Schools often have it as secondary effect. We are talking about human rights, the right for self-determination and co-determination in a communion. Without respect for those rights you'll barely get self-dependent, autonomous and conscientious thinking individuals (and in terms of...
2. (and in terms of education in history, schools never really had this aim!). You and ALucockAbroad must have very interesting data and researches that are in opposite to all I have read about the issue. As I am from Germany I would like to start with a German neurobiologists like Prof. Dr. Gerald Hüther (for a quick link in English: (wwwdot)gerald-huether.de/populaer/english/index.php) and the psychiatrist Prof. Dr. med. Dr. phil. Manfred Spitzer (books are translated into English),...
3. for example (wwwdot)amazon.de/Mind-Within-Net-Learning-Thinking/dp/0262194066/ref=sr_1_2?s=books-intl-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1322182729&sr=1-2 or (wwwdot)amazon.de/Learning-Human-Brain-School-Life/dp/0080446981/ref=sr_1_8?s=books-intl-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1322182729&sr=1-8.
But maybe you prefer to read from English academics. So maybe I introduce Peter Gray to you (psychologist): (wwwdot)psychologytoday(dotcom)/blog/freedom-learn.
And I highly recommend to you PhD Sir Ken Robinson, just some examples:
4. (wwwdot)youtube(dotcom)/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U or (wwwdot)ted(dotcom)/talks/lang/en/sir_ken_robinson_bring_on_the_revolution.html and (wwwdot)ted(dotcom)/talks/lang/en/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html
Although "only" a journalist, I also like to give you a link to Hara Estroff Marano: (wwwdot)psychologytoday(dotcom)/articles/200604/education-class-dismissed
The Sudbury Valley School exists since 1968 and has published a lot of articles and books about their experiences -
5. - but of course, as a "scientist" you won't count them, because they are not "independent" enough, right? Nevertheless I suggest to take a look at it: sudburypress(dotcom), and (wwwdot)sudval(dotcom)/05_articles.html You will find interesting statements from alumni, too. Speaking of alumni: from Alpine Valley School there is a comment about the current documentary movie "Race to Nowhere" (have a look at it: (wwwdot)racetonowhere(dotcom)) by AVS president Melissa Randles:
Or how about a testimonial of James Davis (Director of Program and Marketing for Vanderkamp) about Hudson Valley Sudbury School: sudburyschool(dotcom)/testimonial/james-davis-director-program-and-marketing-vanderkamp
Individual voices from different schools (like the mother here from The Clearwater School: offbeatmama(dotcom)/2011/05/sudbury-schools-for-kids ) don't "prove" anything. But I hope I could clarify sth. about Sudbury
whereever I look around in these so called "advanced" societies of the western world I see basically an increasing number of poor people on the one hand and on the other hand people who strive not to fall back in this capitalist system. everybody seems to be busy with earning money and spending money. consumism seems to be the religion of the majority.
and despite of all the (material) affluence I hardly ever see happy people. people seem dulled. and it already happens in school
students are busy with eating and vomiting informations for (good or bad) grades. it's not about true knowledge and wisdom, nothing about self-exploration of strength, weaknesses, inclinations, it's all about preparing young people to function smoothly in a capitalistic system. that's "a bit of hard truth for you", CapitalistPhil.
"everything from and for the markets, forget the true human values" - that's the spirit of today's main stream. and you...
communism failed, capitalism will fail. let's try real democracy. democratic schools will help to enable people to build vivid and truly democratic societies.
by the way, just give modern brain research about true learning a little glance and you will immdiately understand, why democratic schools work!
lol, to be scared of chaos is to be dead...seems like people are having fun, i wish all kids were totally allowed to do what they please without the fear from parents, they are some dangers of course, but they is so much opportunity and possibility, and when you don't allow that and force them you kill them, forcing is a way of the past, let it go, truth is a paradox, organized chaos ; ow yes, thank you man, may you be blessed for filming this :D :) :P ^_^
There was once a tribe of primitive humans who were going hungry.
The food sources around their cave had all been exhausted.
The tribe had lived in the cave for several generations and were afraid of the surrounding area.
Finally, the most adventurous of the tribesmen, the one who had explored and dared when nobody else would, rallied the rest of his tribe to move or perish.
I agree with CapitalistPhil: It feels contrary to how you would think but one of the best way to increase kids' self esteem is to improve their academic achievement. Just look at ProjectFollowthrough- a massive experiment done in America- out of all the teaching methods only two produced gains in kids in academic and self-esteem domains was Direct Instruction and Behaviour Analysis. Methods like the one shown above that are meant to make kids happier actually do the oppososite.
ALucockAbroad 3 months ago
The kid that walk s past in the background with the pingpong bats is about to fuck some shit up.
ALucockAbroad 3 months ago
@ALucockAbroad Your comment is inappropriate.
kapriole 3 months ago
@kapriole Which one? One is a comment on the state of educational methods and is highly appropriate. The other is a joke which is pretty much appropriate on sites such as youtube.
ALucockAbroad 3 months ago
@ALucockAbroad There are inappropriate jokes on youtube as well.
kapriole 3 months ago
Well, as someone who knows a little about best educational practice, this seems like a load of rubbish. A bit of research into this school reveals it eschews evaluation, sets not goals for/with the students, no curriculum, no nothing. It's day care. Here's a bit of hard truth for you. Without proper, Direct Instruction, Precision Teaching methods of evaluation and rigorous academic conduct we will not advance as a society.
CapitalistPhil 3 months ago
@CapitalistPhil There is no such a thing like best educational practice. But everybody has to find out for himself, what works best for him. Do some more research about those schools, and you will find astonishing results.
kapriole 3 months ago
@kapriole How is it possible to examine the results of these kind of schools when there is no evidence because of the lack of measurement of learning. We cannot tell whether learning is taking place if we can't measure it. And there is the research out there. I've read it (and I know for a fact CapitalistPhil has too). Which research specifically are you taking about, I'd be interested to take a look. (being a scientist I will always examine the evidence before making a decision).
ALucockAbroad 3 months ago
@kapriole Well actually there is. There is evidence, and results and data. Those "schools" produce intellectually and rationally stunted individuals. Believe me, the modern idea that school should be fun and happy to motivate students is nonsense. Students can and do learn to enjoy the nature of learning and become competent individuals in short order when instructed properly, not the emotionally-stunted, intellectually warped products of these happy-clappy institutions.
CapitalistPhil 3 months ago
@CapitalistPhil 1. I don't know wich institutions are happy-clappy. I know that Sudbury Schools aren't founded on the idea that school should be fun - although there is nothing wrong with having fun, and Sudbury Schools often have it as secondary effect. We are talking about human rights, the right for self-determination and co-determination in a communion. Without respect for those rights you'll barely get self-dependent, autonomous and conscientious thinking individuals (and in terms of...
kapriole 3 months ago
2. (and in terms of education in history, schools never really had this aim!). You and ALucockAbroad must have very interesting data and researches that are in opposite to all I have read about the issue. As I am from Germany I would like to start with a German neurobiologists like Prof. Dr. Gerald Hüther (for a quick link in English: (wwwdot)gerald-huether.de/populaer/english/index.php) and the psychiatrist Prof. Dr. med. Dr. phil. Manfred Spitzer (books are translated into English),...
kapriole 3 months ago
3. for example (wwwdot)amazon.de/Mind-Within-Net-Learning-Thinking/dp/0262194066/ref=sr_1_2?s=books-intl-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1322182729&sr=1-2 or (wwwdot)amazon.de/Learning-Human-Brain-School-Life/dp/0080446981/ref=sr_1_8?s=books-intl-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1322182729&sr=1-8.
But maybe you prefer to read from English academics. So maybe I introduce Peter Gray to you (psychologist): (wwwdot)psychologytoday(dotcom)/blog/freedom-learn.
And I highly recommend to you PhD Sir Ken Robinson, just some examples:
kapriole 3 months ago
4. (wwwdot)youtube(dotcom)/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U or (wwwdot)ted(dotcom)/talks/lang/en/sir_ken_robinson_bring_on_the_revolution.html and (wwwdot)ted(dotcom)/talks/lang/en/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html
Although "only" a journalist, I also like to give you a link to Hara Estroff Marano: (wwwdot)psychologytoday(dotcom)/articles/200604/education-class-dismissed
The Sudbury Valley School exists since 1968 and has published a lot of articles and books about their experiences -
kapriole 3 months ago
5. - but of course, as a "scientist" you won't count them, because they are not "independent" enough, right? Nevertheless I suggest to take a look at it: sudburypress(dotcom), and (wwwdot)sudval(dotcom)/05_articles.html You will find interesting statements from alumni, too. Speaking of alumni: from Alpine Valley School there is a comment about the current documentary movie "Race to Nowhere" (have a look at it: (wwwdot)racetonowhere(dotcom)) by AVS president Melissa Randles:
kapriole 3 months ago
6. (wwwdot)alpinevalleyschool(dotcom)/post/2011/11/18/coming-my-own
Or how about a testimonial of James Davis (Director of Program and Marketing for Vanderkamp) about Hudson Valley Sudbury School: sudburyschool(dotcom)/testimonial/james-davis-director-program-and-marketing-vanderkamp
Individual voices from different schools (like the mother here from The Clearwater School: offbeatmama(dotcom)/2011/05/sudbury-schools-for-kids ) don't "prove" anything. But I hope I could clarify sth. about Sudbury
kapriole 3 months ago
@CapitalistPhil
whereever I look around in these so called "advanced" societies of the western world I see basically an increasing number of poor people on the one hand and on the other hand people who strive not to fall back in this capitalist system. everybody seems to be busy with earning money and spending money. consumism seems to be the religion of the majority.
and despite of all the (material) affluence I hardly ever see happy people. people seem dulled. and it already happens in school
horvimuc 2 weeks ago
@CapitalistPhil (part2)
students are busy with eating and vomiting informations for (good or bad) grades. it's not about true knowledge and wisdom, nothing about self-exploration of strength, weaknesses, inclinations, it's all about preparing young people to function smoothly in a capitalistic system. that's "a bit of hard truth for you", CapitalistPhil.
"everything from and for the markets, forget the true human values" - that's the spirit of today's main stream. and you...
horvimuc 2 weeks ago
@CapitalistPhil (part3)
...can watch the sad results everywhere.
communism failed, capitalism will fail. let's try real democracy. democratic schools will help to enable people to build vivid and truly democratic societies.
by the way, just give modern brain research about true learning a little glance and you will immdiately understand, why democratic schools work!
horvimuc 2 weeks ago
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The only problem is that it's most likely either not affordable or people have to meet certain standards to get in.
Nine00 11 months ago
The only problem is that it's most likely either not affordable or people have to meet certain standarts to get in.
Nine00 11 months ago
.. sounds awfully chaotic in the background for such an orderly place...
happyquails 2 years ago
Chaotic - some call it "alive"... ;-)
kapriole 2 years ago 5
lol, to be scared of chaos is to be dead...seems like people are having fun, i wish all kids were totally allowed to do what they please without the fear from parents, they are some dangers of course, but they is so much opportunity and possibility, and when you don't allow that and force them you kill them, forcing is a way of the past, let it go, truth is a paradox, organized chaos ; ow yes, thank you man, may you be blessed for filming this :D :) :P ^_^
10jedyny 2 years ago 6
Others would call it "busy"... : )
SpamMusubi1226 2 years ago
Here's a little story.
There was once a tribe of primitive humans who were going hungry.
The food sources around their cave had all been exhausted.
The tribe had lived in the cave for several generations and were afraid of the surrounding area.
Finally, the most adventurous of the tribesmen, the one who had explored and dared when nobody else would, rallied the rest of his tribe to move or perish.
The tribe moved and survived.
The adventurous man became leader.
He was treated as superior.
Why?
davidjuliowang 3 years ago