@Maeldruin By that logic, if the droid armies were used, they'd be about equal. 40K also lacks research...meanwhile, in Star Wars, they'd be coming up with new droids to match the marines. Star Wars however lacks a large amount of "planet crackers." while....Each Marine chapter....each of the the 1000+... Has at least one Battlebarge, capable of cracking open a planet. Some have two or three.... I'd put my money on the Imperium as well. They'd not hesitate to cleanse all the Xenos.
@WolfFawkes There's an image floating around the internet comparing an Impeial Retribution Class Battleship to several over ships from different sci-fi things. You should look it up ;)
And the Death Korps of Krieg are not even space nazies! and yet you gusy are saying they are going to win against stormies wait a sec? that doesen't mean that they lost against ewoks and that the imperial guard are lossing against 2 fucking chaos astartes who are mutated about a millons of years <oh i'm so scared! just if you have good tech like star wars then you have a advantage on enemy's who are bigger no matter how many battles they have survived you still win.Compare it with the tau but...
@darthrevan179 There's really no hope for you, an uneducated and butthurt kid. The Bolters you defined uses 'bullets' are called Bolts and this Bolts uses no propulsion system like the blackpowder from today's bullets. Why are you even dragging Halo on to this?, if you're saying it's advance 'cuz of their shields then you are wrong, the Force Field of W40K is well more advanced than Halo's which turns kinetic energy to blinding light.
@darthrevan179 "If it ain't broken then don't fix it" This quote applies to the many weapons of W40K, if the Knife was perfected way before the 40th Mill. then it will still be useful in the 40th as it was back then. Ballistic Weapons as Boomstick said, has more killing power compared to lasers if the target possesses armour, The Bolter's bolts explodes inside the target causing massive damage which would imply Bolts are highly advanced.
@darthrevan179 The Chainsword is one example, it's more advanced compared to today's because instead of 'teeth' it has monomolecular-edged instead. Conversion Fields(Rosarius), instead of absorbing the blast, it converts Kinetic Energy into harmless Light which is pretty advanced compared to SWs. Plus the Hierarchy of the Imperium, it has billions of worlds under its command which would be a pain in the ass to handle but still they did it because they refined it for many millenia
@darthrevan179 Ask anyone that has survived a World Eaters drop pod assault what do they have to say about their tactics. No one ever lived to tale the tale.
Your pansy "Empire" deals with xenos, has to use clones/drones because its citizens are spineless cowards who still haven't stopped sucking from their mommies tits, let alone grab a weapon and fight.
How many times did your precious Empire fell? How many times did you lost your homeworld? You dare call yourselves warriors. HA!
And lasguns aren't real lasers blasters are fucking red,orange,green,blue,purple lasers!!! warhammer uses fucking bullets! and i am wondering why 40,000 years later we still use fucking bullets like the World war era!! 'sigh' the only factions who have good lasers or whatever you call them are the tau,necrons,eldar nnononon no necrons they use gauss weapons sorry.But the rest of the WH40K uses ###### bullets!
@darthrevan179 You do realize that the force of those bullets are beyond on what we have today. The reason why they use projectile weapons is because bullets will cause hydro shock, can tumble in the body which will result in further injuries/infections, do not require power just in case of EMP, and can be put in different variations (armor piercing, suppress, tracer,etc. Lasers/plasma will leave a hole in the body but the person can still be alive since it will cauterize the wound.
And when they are saying charge the enemy (without thinking) they charge at them like real angry soldiers by the madness of this shit.Launching a drop pod isn't a tactical move its using reinforcements cuz otherwise the spesh marines are going to be fucked! accept it goddamn!!! and the emperium's tech is even fucking low then halo!
t have.And why are you throwing shit at me that even does not exist?? or does your emperor always do this with you? JUST SURRENDER TO THE GREATER GOOD!!! Humanity is dumb and bad in the wh40k univers and don't ask about the chaos space marines we will jus kick there mutant asses back in the eye of teror...
@darthrevan179 If they could kick the Chaos Marines back to the eye of terror, they'd have done it. Fact is, no one can truly put them back forever. Unless all the species united. but like that's going to happen.
No,even in the 40th millennium they lack the tech compare to SW and even if the Star Wars galaxy is at war like the clone wars,dark wars,great hyper space war,etc etc etc etc etc etc etc there tech is still functional.And the emperium uses still bullets and plasma weapons are rare within there ranks and laser weapons may never exist in there army don't ask about the other SW weapons that the necrons also don'
@darthrevan179 Well then if the technology was so great, how come they can still die from childbirth, have the lack of protective armor, rare to have automatic weapons, and lack of melee weapons to counter lightsabers. Also calm down because no one wants a 15 year old complaining.
Well of course SW has automatic weapons.And yeah but sometimes a stormtrooper can survive blaster fire and there are armors in the SW univers who can survive blaster or even heavyweapons like:mandalorian armor,sith trooper armor,arkanian armor .... and i forget much of it cuz i don't check those things anymore these times.And ... there are soooooooooo many melee weapons which can resist a lightsaber:go check kotor there are so many.
@121617a The Imperium. Hands down. There are billions of IG, and hundreds of thousands of Astartes. Also; There are more ordinary human badasses, than Star Wars. Since you call it the "Galactic Republic" I assume you mean before 99% of the jedi where wiped out. So the Jedi would be the only ones who have any chance whatsoever. But IG Motto: Quantity > Quality.
@darthrevan179 For episode 3, they could have gave her a c section which is rather easy and actually prevents death but instead, they gave her a robot that does nothing but talk to her. Nothing I mean they did not give her an IV, restart her heart, etc.
@darthrevan179 I bet your understanding on where the 'tactics' you've stated that are commonly used are I guess came from a game, try reading the lore before throwing shit out from your 12 year old ass so you can eat it. A lot of battles in the lore lasts for 12 years, with a lot of TACTICS and STRATEGIES involved, one of the best examples is 'The Siege of Vraks Prime'. SW compared to W40K's tactics is like comparing George Bush to Hitler, W40Ks scope of strategy is beyond your imagination.
@jameslyle24 Plus try thinking on how daily the battles are for W40K and these battles usually are PLANET WIDE, compared to SW where a siege on a planet is usually like this "Sire, our first wave failed!, Let's send another one and more till we break their defenses!" while W40K takes account on the amount of forces they have(over a billion), the factor of warp storms that would hinder their army and the unison of a billion men without any desertions.
Lol you guys never learn i know the imperial guard are fighting hard and good with there so called eh? lasers? as well as the space marines but really they are not a tactical force they say:chargeeeeeeeeee
@darthrevan179 About your comment of SM and IG not being a strategic force.
They are very much so. They use advanced targeting computers, communication systems in the field, pin-point artillery/orbital bombardments, drop pod assaults and more.
And Space Marines are the most tactical force there is. They are designed to kill enemy leaders, heavy armor, Daemons or monstrous creatures. They never just deploy along other forces. They are dropped at super-sonic speeds right on their enemys heads.
@darthrevan179 Lasguns are equivalent to, if not even better than, Star Wars pulse weapons. It fires concentrated laser fire and depending on its setting, it can be made to shoot on rapid fire, or to shoot holes in tanks. It is only weak when fired alone, but strong when ten men are firing in a volley. Just like in the Napoleonic wars.
And usually these kinds of argues tend to evolve into the Imperium of Man vs. The Galactic Empire instead of SW vs. WH40k.
"In the Warhammer universe, technology and tactics are the way to win battles and they know it. They use recon drones, orbital strikes, drop pods, etc. Also they actually flank, set up traps, insurgency, and even assassinate enemies to win. In Star Wars, they have maybe a drone or they just have an open battlefield face to face with no cover like the Revolutionary war (brits side)."
No they don't do you call the imperal guard and space marines a tactical or strategic force?
@darthrevan179 Nah a padawan will be slaughtered by any weapon of the grey knights. Actually any weapon in the 40k universe can defeat a lightsaber since they are designed to actually kill their targets and travel faster than blasters.
@darthrevan179 There is no proof that lightsabers can cut down power armor with ease but it is guarantee to easily take any shot from a blaster since it is extremely heat resistant. That is why heavier weapons are the way to go when it comes to taking out a space marine armor. Blasters are matches compare to power armor.
BTW people, 40k and SW psychic (Psyker/Force powers) will not affect each other in a cross universe situation. Still if so, there are more Psyker humans than Jedis. Also the powers of the Psyker are more devastating since they can literally change reality while force powers are limited to a small areas. Plus even if there is an exceptional force user, they cannot teach others to do so due to the exclusivity of the force powers.
The Republic and CIS together might get raped against all of 40k, although they may stand a vague change against the IoM. The Empire takes it easily though.
It depends on your perspective, in general, the IG would win even in Space considering of the amount of men they have plus as I said before, a single blast from a lasgun can tore a limb off with an almost unlimited amount of amunition. While in combat, the clones would perform better considering they're genetically modified troops just like the Space Marines(but still, they won't stand a chance against them). If it was the IG vs the Rebels, then IG would win for sure
In terms of weapons, lasers are superior than plasma since lasers travel faster and will be more accurate. While plasma can be good for close range and will be stronger when hit. The blasters will also eventually run out of ammo while the lasguns will not run out unless the battery chargers are destroyed or malfunction.
You guys got a Deathstar? We got a motherfucking Virus Bomb that turns every living thing on a planet to decomposing gas and a single blast from a ship would ignite the entire planet killing everyone on the surface. Not to mention a planet in the W40K is just as expendable as an entire army of Sith Lords. Let's face it, comparing W40K to SW is like comparing a Minigun to a knife. To top it all off, billions die everyday in W40K, and billions more are born each day. A million is a small army here
What is up with this W40K vs SW?, a single lasgun of an Imperial Guard can blast off a limb with a single shot on an ordinary human, not to mention it can fire a lot of rounds per minute. The Bolter of the Space Marines is absolutely terrifying, how do you feel when a bullet as big as a hand explodes inside your body tearing you apart?. You guys got a lightsaber?, well we got a fucking Power Sword, it dissipates the molecules of an object completely destroying them. (continuation above)
Good Clone trooper stats for Warhammer 40k (in opinion)... Imperial Guard stats for the most part, other than they would have better BS (4) and weapons, Id give a blaster rifle range 32 (They can shoot VERY far) Strength 4, AP 5, not enough to pierce SM armor, but it would be definitely servicable, and Clone trooper armor would be 4+, mainly because it is the exact same thing as Tau armor, a lightsaber would be a power sword, the only thing that changes that is its solid center, any other stats?
@Argoth221 Say what you will, but at least Warhammer gives semi-decent reasons for their tech, why all the factions and doesn't simply accept all races drinking at a bar together. We Humans can barely get along with each other, nevermind something blue and with tentacle hair. Also, I haven't seen a damn thing is SW that comes close to the uniqueness of the Tyranids.
@Argoth221 By "best story ever" Im assuming you mean "watered-down, beat to death rubbish"? Star Wars is the pop music of sci-fi, generic, flavorless, and aimed at the wallets of middle school children's parents.
And then you have lightsabers. Sure, space marine armour is made of the toughest metals that they know of, but they have never encountered lightsabers before. Vmmmm!
@Spudtron98 light sabers cant deflect bolter rounds not to mention lasscannon or plasma cannon. and your jedi scum if encountered by the librarian will loose all flesh from his bones. or a simple exterminatus will suffice. oh and if lightsabers are so epic how cum the JEDI were defeated by clone toopers!!!!
Blasters use ionised blaster gas, or as its more commonly known, plasma. Which is capable of punching through Space marine armour in large enough numbers. About five clones vs one space marine should be good enough to be a fair fight.
@Spudtron98 No, plain and simple. Plasma weapons do exist in Warhammer and do tonnes of damage, but SW has no comparison to the armor the Astartes wear. Also, Plasma is controlled by magnetic fields and a plasma weapon would only be able to deliver it to a foot at most from the end of the barrel, otherwise dissipate into a cloud, just as other gasses do.
I'd also like to see your Troopers take a .75 caliber explosive round to the torso.
@timebomb45 no they are not, clones are suppose to be genetically superior to certain humans due to their templates but the imperial guards are fanatically loyal.
@Boomstick898 i meant in general, i know they are smarter faster and such but there armours are basicly the same( i mean they both can take the same hits) and both carry laser rifles, so it seems to me that they are generally similar.
@timebomb45 Actually, I believe the Imperial Guard has superior armor than the Clone troopers because the flak and the carapace armour are extremely heat resistant and stronger than the clone troopers plastoid armor (plastoid is sometimes used for nonlethal bullets by commandos).
40k wins on one thing - Virus bombs, Warp storms Etc.... I mean yeah star wars may have the death star but id lol if it tried to shoot terra... itd hit one of the millions of ships orbiting it... Then the forces of the imperium would just procede to virus bomb the death star and laugh
@osscorrupt cutts the DEATH STAAA is not a planet so a virus does not work, its a large metal ball, logic flaws brought to you by livid crunch, never start a day without a bowl of livid crunch.
LOL really warhammer vs Star wars, how is that even to be called a battle, the endless legions of Chaos, the endless amount of Necrons/Tyranids, and I AM NOT even mentioning the Tau, Eldar, Imperium of Man. it takes a 100 clone poopers to even scratch a space marine. and what will their pathetic fleet do vs a Tyranid hive fleet? numbers do not count in this starwars boys, numbers wont stop a Titan or a Baneblade. let alone a bloodthirster.
@darthrevan179 Ha that sounds like the Galactic Empire. That emperor is a complete idiot who somehow thought his master plan was to bait the rebels to the Death Star and reveal the shield generator which he could do it without the actual Death Star!
@darthrevan179 A band of rebels that is capable of destroying their first Death Star with a small fleet of fighters, gather numerous systems to their cause, and escape numerous captures. Yeah that is something small and keep your mind off.
What if you have a big superstation like the death star and your enemy is attacking it with 30 starfighters would you throw all your starfighters to destroy them or do you sit and say:pffffffffffff i don't give a shit about those stupid rebels they would be death in moments!
And don't forget the force was at the rebel side.
@darthrevan179 I would send a sizable amount to take out the fighters since they somehow located my secret superstation. In any military situation, never underestimate your enemies. Since to ensure that they will be dead in moments, destroying them with a heavy force will do.
"I would send a sizable amount to take out the fighters since they somehow located my secret superstation."
Except...the Empire did exactly that. Hell, the Empire had the Rebellion outnumbered and outclassed. The Executor was able to take on most of their fleet and come out without a scratch (until it was hit by a VERY lucky shot). Even by the end of the battle the Empire outnumbered them, but their morale broke and they retreated.
@tskasa1 The Emperor was such an idiot with a huge ego, he bought a fleet and said to not fire on the Rebels. Thinking the Death Star is an ultimate weapon and it failed by the same mistake as the previous. The Imperium will never let the Rebels have any chance of survival. Plus they would actually destroy the forest of Endor and not reveal the shield generator.
"The Emperor was such an idiot with a huge ego, he bought a fleet and said to not fire on the Rebels."
And you have no idea what you are talking about. That was because the majority of the Empire's fleet was hiding behind the moon of Endor waiting to ambush the Rebel fleet. He told them to hold fire because he wanted to spring a trap and trap and kill them. Hence Ackbar's saying "It's a trap" (cont.)
(cont.) He wanted to crush the rebel fleet to keep it from retreating and destroy it utterly so that the rebellion would break and dissapear. And again, for the millionth time, he was winning the battle until moral broke.
"Plus they would actually destroy the forest of Endor and not reveal the shield generator."
And how would you NOT reveal the shield generator? Do you even have any idea what you are talking about? Shield generators have to extend from their generator to their target. Meaning the shield had to extend from the moon of Endor the the DSII to work. This makes it very, very obvious. Not to mention that there are SENSORS that detect shields.
@Boomstick898 Honestly the Emperor succeeded in doing what very few could - he converted the Chosen One to the Dark Side, successfully eradicated the Jedi (or at least, most of them), blew an entire planet apart just for the fun of it, and masterminded an entire war from BOTH SIDES.
I mean, seriously - a guy's allowed to make some mistakes, right? Especially after ruling the galaxy for nigh on a decade.
@TANSKBD The God Emperor succeeded what few people could ever dream He united all of humanity, created the perfect humans who cannot age or die from sickness, take over systems as part of his empire, discover new aliens races, live for 10k+ years, created a conduit for safe travels through space, and become a beacon of hope for all humans to call upon through times of war.
@Boomstick898 And then the perfect humans he created turned on him, killing nearly all the Primarch during the Horus Heresy and the following years. Not so perfect, eh?
He united all of humanity - by forcing them under his rule, conquering entire planets to bring them to their knees. The fool would probably have been killed by revolts and clashes were it not for his Space Marines, who weren't that perfect anyway. And he's rotting away now. Some beacon of hope.
"I mean, seriously - a guy's allowed to make some mistakes, right? Especially after ruling the galaxy for nigh on a decade."
Actually, he was the Emperor for about 4 decades :P
And yeah, Palpatine wasn't incompetent. Unfortunately for him, Luke existed. Had it not been for Luke, the Empire would have easily crushed the Rebellion.
"Ha that sounds like the Galactic Empire. That emperor is a complete idiot who somehow thought his master plan was to bait the rebels to the Death Star and reveal the shield generator which he could do it without the actual Death Star!"
Except...that the Second Death Star wasn't found out by the Alliance because of the Emperor. The Rebel Intel network found out themselves and decided to attack.
@tskasa1 Yeah - He's a freaking lighthouse in a dimension where attention = daemons coming to eat your soul. Every psyker is a risk because they attract daemons, the more powerful they are, the more (and more dangerous) daemons they attract.
The Emperor is a freaking beacon seen halfway across the galaxy. If he did fight off Daemons, the Imperium would be well and truly fucked, oh, about the time of the Horus Heresy.
Being a Psyker isn't like being a force user - while anyone can be possessed, those with Zeta-level or better power attract daemons like a lantern attracts moths. The stronger you are, the more attention you attract, and the greater the effort needed to repel their attempts at usurping control over your mind and body.
If the Emperor didn't fight off Daemons, he would be possessed or worse. Simple as that. It's the scale at which he fights that boggles the mind.
"those with Zeta-level or better power attract daemons like a lantern attracts moths"
You mean Alpha level.
"The stronger you are, the more attention you attract, and the greater the effort needed to repel their attempts at usurping control over your mind and body."
@tskasa1 No, I mean Zeta - at that point, death or worse is effectively inevitable without training.
My point? That was lost ages ago, but it boiled down to the fact that the Emperor has been fighting off literally endless hordes of Daemons ever since the Heresy, simply because he's not a candle in the dark or even a bonfire - he's the freaking Sun! And you don't want to know what kind of moths that attracts.
"No, I mean Zeta - at that point, death or worse is effectively inevitable without training.
Yeah- no. Psyker scales go up the greek alphabet, with the closer you are to the beginning the more powerful you are. Hence Alpha is the highest you can be (technically Alpha+ is, but that is just a subdivision of Alpha).
"That was lost ages ago, but it boiled down to the fact that the Emperor has been fighting off literally endless hordes of Daemons ever since the Heresy,"
Except he's not fighting demons in the warp. He's using his psychic power to keep the hole that Magnus tore in the webway closed and keeping the demons from spilling into Terra. He's essentially a giant staple for the webway.
"If the Emperor didn't fight off Daemons, he would be possessed or worse."
Except he doesn't fight. He keeps the hole in the webway leading to Terra (made by Magnus' accidental and vain effort to warn his father) from opening up again. The Emperor is essentially the Webway's duct tape.
@tskasa1 No, but they are a threat to people in the Imperium - a threat they have weathered for ten thousand years, in spite of Eldar dickery, Dark Eldar slave raids, Ork WAAAAGH!s, Necrons wiping out the odd world for teh lulz, Tyranids coming to om-nom them all, and that's just the major, galaxy-wide menaces!
Proof of, if nothing else, the sheer tenacity and Will to Survive possessed by the Imperium of Man.
"Proof of, if nothing else, the sheer tenacity and Will to Survive possessed by the Imperium of Man."
Which won't mean much when you are equally numbered, if not outnumbered by a side that has far superior technology, far better logistics, far better transportation, and a far more organized military.
@tskasa1 ... Yeah. It's not like we're approaching <2m accuracy with modern weapons, not even at what amounts to "point blank" range.
And again, my point was that they had a weak spot to begin with. Not a point where the armour was half as thick, not a place where shields did not overlap - but a two-metre hole where a single fighter-carried bomb could blow up the whole 160-km diameter space station.
"Yeah. It's not like we're approaching <2m accuracy with modern weapons, not even at what amounts to "point blank" range."
Except that said weapons can't maneuver through their target without a type of visual guidance signal. For guided weapons to work you need to signal them where to go, and Luke faced that same problem and was only able to overcome it because of that.
@tskasa1 But Luke only used the force to hit the opening, the rest of it was the torpedo's doing. And what do you know? Not a single internal system (CIWS, forcefield, whatever) to stop an attack the rebels could come up with after a few days of looking over the schematics.
Unless you're arguing that he mentally guided the torpedo all the way to the core, which is not the case AFAIK.
And... You're saying they have full-blown AI, but not self-guided bombs?
" But Luke only used the force to hit the opening, the rest of it was the torpedo's doing."
No, Luke used the force to make the torpedo do the 90 degree turn from going straight to going downards and into the chute.
"Not a single internal system (CIWS, forcefield, whatever) to stop an attack the rebels"
What are you talking about? The Death Star was FULL of anti-fighter weaponry that, along with the fighter complement, destroyed a LOT of the rebel forces
@tskasa1 ... I meant INSIDE THE HOLE. We see partially permeable force fields in every hangar bay, how hard could it be to install one to cover a two-metre hole for a split second in case of an emergency?
Or, for that matter, put a tiny little chain-blaster turret next to the vent - pop the rebel scum as they travel toward it through the trench that otherwise would protect them against the various active defences.
""And again, my point was that they had a weak spot to begin with. Not a point where the armour was half as thick, not a place where shields did not overlap - but a two-metre hole where a single fighter-carried bomb could blow up the whole 160-km diameter space station."
Except it's not incompetence. most weapon designs have flaws (...except for the Death Star II, really), especially if they are the first of a their kind of weapon (cont.)
"Oops, our 160-kilometre 'invincible' battlestation could be destroyed by a fighter-carried bomb. But it's okay, we've fixed that design flaw for our new, even bigger and more expensive version! This time, they'll have to fly the fighter all the way INTO the core - because there's no way those rebels are crazy enough to have suicide bombers!
And, let's face it - the first station was just a model- er, prototype."
But ONLY because the said weapon hit the reactor core. This means that it made a huge hole in the reactor that produces energy on the level of a star of about our sun's caliber. Which made it go "boom" for obvious reasons, as the reactor core was no longer stable.
"This time, they'll have to fly the fighter all the way INTO the core - because there's no way those rebels are crazy enough to have suicide bombers!"
Except that's not what happened. The Death Star II was still incomplete. It was only something like 40% complete at the time of the battle, but the Empire made due with what they had.
@tskasa1 So... It wasn't fully operational when they attacked? Funny, that's the impression I got when I watched the movie ("It's a trap!"), but then again, it has been a few years...
And hey, giant battlestation under construction - why invest one of those "millions" of Star Destroyers I read about in defending a multi-something-illion credit project?
@tskasa1 Well, DSII still blew up when they flew all the way into the reactor core - because, for some reason, they left an opening all the way in and...
Hey, they didn't install internal defences there either! What do you know, they DIDN'T learn anything from the DSI! Good job, emperor Palpy, good job...
The Death Star II also wasn't completley completed and it was only at 40% construction. It's main weapon and SOME of its engines and external weapons could function, but not much else. So...that's not saying much. The Rebels attacked the DSII BEFORE it was completed precisely BECAUSE it would have been near-impregnable after it was completed.
The fact stands that the said hole was so heavily fortified that it would have been impossible for any conventional fighter to have killed it, and only Palpatine's oversight that a Jedi capable of waging war still existed screwed him over, which wasn't really all too much of a folly on his part seeing as to how he pretty much had a crusade against Jedi and most of them had disappeared for decades (cont.)
@tskasa1 Yeah. Because there's no way a Jedi or ten went underground (like the Sith did) and later joined the Rebellion.
And we're still talking about the equivalent of designing a super-carrier so that a single bird can blow the whole thing up by pooping down a little hole on top of the bridge. Because NO ONE would EVER think of deploying hundreds of seagulls against an aircraft carrier, so it's okay. Right?
:| Juz saying, but - The Imperium of Man simply doesn't really like technology. If I may, their technology is dropping further back than during the Dark Age of Technology. They simply don't have the blueprints to build some of the stuff they did, and you see numerous references to this Darkstar Fortress or that warship being unable to be constructed anymore, for the simple reason that they don't have the technology to do it.
Technology-wise, it's a definite win for the SW Galaxy. Sorry, mates.
@TANSKBD The Imperium of Man is a very very large empire that is constantly at war which is 10,000 years pending. It is better to repair the tech rather than make new ones due to the amount of materials it will cost. Also it is law that Alien technology should not be used due to the possibility that it may cause corruption which it does. Still, their idea of tech is durability and strength
@Boomstick898 It's not a very good approach, actually. They still use Dark Age technology to wage war, and their constant repairs have actually reduced the quality of their armor and vehicles. Given the option, I would say that the Imperium would reduce itself into destruction within a millienia or so. Not to mention the God-Emperor is currently rotting away on his throne, which itself is broken too.
And alien tech is used by the Grey Knights chapter.
@TANSKBD The Imperium DOES like tech, they simply fear innovation, because of the AD Mech's stranglehold religion on it. Were it not for the Mechanicum, they would still be trying to think of their own innovations, and thus be further ahead than they are.
Also, for all its inefficiency, the Imperium still easily stands toe-to-toe with the Empire/Republic.
@Kainlarsen Sorry mate, but no, the Republic/Empire is significantly more efficient. But let's get one thing straight; these two universes should never meet. Ever. Or else the war would probably last for decades. It's actually a very efficient stalemate, because of how evenly matched the two sides are. SW would win in space, but the Imperium would hold their own on the ground.
Sorry, the last part of that last message was meant for you. But moving on:
That's all that really matters. If the Imperium can't control space they can't land troops. Also, if they don't control space than there is nothing to stop the Galactic Empire from bombarding them to death.
This comparsion is just stupid....
calleohr 6 hours ago
Yeah. . . no.
MasterPharaunMizzrym 19 hours ago
@VaragianPrince Not to mention they were slaughtered by teenagers and ewoks
TheNobleGoon 2 days ago
you suck
TheNobleGoon 4 days ago 3
clones are basically guardsmen in lower numbers, they still carry flashlights
JudgeDee7 1 week ago
Crappy vid, crappy grammar.
Clones = training and lasers.
Space Marines = Not dying when arms and legs are shot of and they use Mass-Reactive Bolter Rounds the size of a Cola bottle.
kloze12 2 weeks ago
space marines win lol but honestly its rubish
topWargamming 2 weeks ago
1:50 i'm defing gravity losers
alexray1222 2 weeks ago
1:30 to 1:33 WTF
alexray1222 2 weeks ago
If anything, I think the 2 universes (Or at least Humanity and the Imperium) would merge. Or at least, I like to believe that.
But if it was whole universes vs. each other? 40k. sheer numbers. Who killed most of the Jedi after the clone wars? Clones. Through numbers.
Maeldruin 2 weeks ago
@Maeldruin By that logic, if the droid armies were used, they'd be about equal. 40K also lacks research...meanwhile, in Star Wars, they'd be coming up with new droids to match the marines. Star Wars however lacks a large amount of "planet crackers." while....Each Marine chapter....each of the the 1000+... Has at least one Battlebarge, capable of cracking open a planet. Some have two or three.... I'd put my money on the Imperium as well. They'd not hesitate to cleanse all the Xenos.
WolfFawkes 1 day ago
@WolfFawkes There's an image floating around the internet comparing an Impeial Retribution Class Battleship to several over ships from different sci-fi things. You should look it up ;)
StormchaserKnight 9 hours ago
What the hell did I just watch 15 seconds of then stop?.
k1ll3rbunny 3 weeks ago
darthvader called he want HIS light saber back
tom678ify 3 weeks ago
THE MAN WHO CREATED THIS VIDEO IS A HERATIC AND MUST BE PURGED.
ImperialElite666 3 weeks ago
fff the imperial guards can wipe out the entire starwars universe
1234airows 3 weeks ago
My god its funny to see you star wars or 40k addicts going at it like russia and america in the cold war.
But if I were to give my opinion..... eh 40k just cause Boreale would scare the fuck out of the wussy stormtroopers with his "SPEHSS MEHRENS"
xtechmarine 4 weeks ago
1:50 lol
BritishGandalf 4 weeks ago
Only much stronger and bigger and even the tau are winning against veteran space marines form the Heresy era <rofl
darthrevan179 1 month ago
And the Death Korps of Krieg are not even space nazies! and yet you gusy are saying they are going to win against stormies wait a sec? that doesen't mean that they lost against ewoks and that the imperial guard are lossing against 2 fucking chaos astartes who are mutated about a millons of years <oh i'm so scared! just if you have good tech like star wars then you have a advantage on enemy's who are bigger no matter how many battles they have survived you still win.Compare it with the tau but...
darthrevan179 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 There's really no hope for you, an uneducated and butthurt kid. The Bolters you defined uses 'bullets' are called Bolts and this Bolts uses no propulsion system like the blackpowder from today's bullets. Why are you even dragging Halo on to this?, if you're saying it's advance 'cuz of their shields then you are wrong, the Force Field of W40K is well more advanced than Halo's which turns kinetic energy to blinding light.
jameslyle24 1 month ago
@jameslyle24
'Bolters' or bullets they are not fucking more advanced than your dumb arrogant brain thinks.
darthrevan179 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 "If it ain't broken then don't fix it" This quote applies to the many weapons of W40K, if the Knife was perfected way before the 40th Mill. then it will still be useful in the 40th as it was back then. Ballistic Weapons as Boomstick said, has more killing power compared to lasers if the target possesses armour, The Bolter's bolts explodes inside the target causing massive damage which would imply Bolts are highly advanced.
jameslyle24 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 The Chainsword is one example, it's more advanced compared to today's because instead of 'teeth' it has monomolecular-edged instead. Conversion Fields(Rosarius), instead of absorbing the blast, it converts Kinetic Energy into harmless Light which is pretty advanced compared to SWs. Plus the Hierarchy of the Imperium, it has billions of worlds under its command which would be a pain in the ass to handle but still they did it because they refined it for many millenia
jameslyle24 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 Ask anyone that has survived a World Eaters drop pod assault what do they have to say about their tactics. No one ever lived to tale the tale.
Your pansy "Empire" deals with xenos, has to use clones/drones because its citizens are spineless cowards who still haven't stopped sucking from their mommies tits, let alone grab a weapon and fight.
How many times did your precious Empire fell? How many times did you lost your homeworld? You dare call yourselves warriors. HA!
VaragianPrince 3 weeks ago
And lasguns aren't real lasers blasters are fucking red,orange,green,blue,purple lasers!!! warhammer uses fucking bullets! and i am wondering why 40,000 years later we still use fucking bullets like the World war era!! 'sigh' the only factions who have good lasers or whatever you call them are the tau,necrons,eldar nnononon no necrons they use gauss weapons sorry.But the rest of the WH40K uses ###### bullets!
darthrevan179 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 You do realize that the force of those bullets are beyond on what we have today. The reason why they use projectile weapons is because bullets will cause hydro shock, can tumble in the body which will result in further injuries/infections, do not require power just in case of EMP, and can be put in different variations (armor piercing, suppress, tracer,etc. Lasers/plasma will leave a hole in the body but the person can still be alive since it will cauterize the wound.
Boomstick898 1 month ago
And when they are saying charge the enemy (without thinking) they charge at them like real angry soldiers by the madness of this shit.Launching a drop pod isn't a tactical move its using reinforcements cuz otherwise the spesh marines are going to be fucked! accept it goddamn!!! and the emperium's tech is even fucking low then halo!
darthrevan179 1 month ago
I have nothing more to say to you guys...
darthrevan179 1 month ago
t have.And why are you throwing shit at me that even does not exist?? or does your emperor always do this with you? JUST SURRENDER TO THE GREATER GOOD!!! Humanity is dumb and bad in the wh40k univers and don't ask about the chaos space marines we will jus kick there mutant asses back in the eye of teror...
darthrevan179 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 If they could kick the Chaos Marines back to the eye of terror, they'd have done it. Fact is, no one can truly put them back forever. Unless all the species united. but like that's going to happen.
Maeldruin 2 weeks ago
Even the pirates from SW use better tactics then the Emperium.
@jameslyle24
No,even in the 40th millennium they lack the tech compare to SW and even if the Star Wars galaxy is at war like the clone wars,dark wars,great hyper space war,etc etc etc etc etc etc etc there tech is still functional.And the emperium uses still bullets and plasma weapons are rare within there ranks and laser weapons may never exist in there army don't ask about the other SW weapons that the necrons also don'
darthrevan179 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 Well then if the technology was so great, how come they can still die from childbirth, have the lack of protective armor, rare to have automatic weapons, and lack of melee weapons to counter lightsabers. Also calm down because no one wants a 15 year old complaining.
Boomstick898 1 month ago
@Boomstick898
ahaha lol.
Well of course SW has automatic weapons.And yeah but sometimes a stormtrooper can survive blaster fire and there are armors in the SW univers who can survive blaster or even heavyweapons like:mandalorian armor,sith trooper armor,arkanian armor .... and i forget much of it cuz i don't check those things anymore these times.And ... there are soooooooooo many melee weapons which can resist a lightsaber:go check kotor there are so many.
darthrevan179 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 which do you think would win in an all out war. the Imperium of man or the Galactic republic.
121617a 3 weeks ago
@121617a The Imperium. Hands down. There are billions of IG, and hundreds of thousands of Astartes. Also; There are more ordinary human badasses, than Star Wars. Since you call it the "Galactic Republic" I assume you mean before 99% of the jedi where wiped out. So the Jedi would be the only ones who have any chance whatsoever. But IG Motto: Quantity > Quality.
Maeldruin 2 weeks ago
@Maeldruin I fully agree, Space marines for the win. lol
121617a 2 weeks ago
@Boomstick898
wtf? everyone can die from childbirth please don't talk about those sons of ##### primarchs.
darthrevan179 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 For episode 3, they could have gave her a c section which is rather easy and actually prevents death but instead, they gave her a robot that does nothing but talk to her. Nothing I mean they did not give her an IV, restart her heart, etc.
Boomstick898 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 I bet your understanding on where the 'tactics' you've stated that are commonly used are I guess came from a game, try reading the lore before throwing shit out from your 12 year old ass so you can eat it. A lot of battles in the lore lasts for 12 years, with a lot of TACTICS and STRATEGIES involved, one of the best examples is 'The Siege of Vraks Prime'. SW compared to W40K's tactics is like comparing George Bush to Hitler, W40Ks scope of strategy is beyond your imagination.
jameslyle24 1 month ago
@jameslyle24 Plus try thinking on how daily the battles are for W40K and these battles usually are PLANET WIDE, compared to SW where a siege on a planet is usually like this "Sire, our first wave failed!, Let's send another one and more till we break their defenses!" while W40K takes account on the amount of forces they have(over a billion), the factor of warp storms that would hinder their army and the unison of a billion men without any desertions.
jameslyle24 1 month ago
@jameslyle24
You failtard give a fucking prove about your bullshit your pulling out from your 30 year old tiny brains.
@BlackTemplar43
Yeah yeah i know that stuff bro but you you failed so much as your angry 40k fan.
@Boomstick898
Again what the hell are you saying?
Lol you guys never learn i know the imperial guard are fighting hard and good with there so called eh? lasers? as well as the space marines but really they are not a tactical force they say:chargeeeeeeeeee
darthrevan179 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 About your comment of SM and IG not being a strategic force.
They are very much so. They use advanced targeting computers, communication systems in the field, pin-point artillery/orbital bombardments, drop pod assaults and more.
And Space Marines are the most tactical force there is. They are designed to kill enemy leaders, heavy armor, Daemons or monstrous creatures. They never just deploy along other forces. They are dropped at super-sonic speeds right on their enemys heads.
BlackTemplar43 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 Lasguns are equivalent to, if not even better than, Star Wars pulse weapons. It fires concentrated laser fire and depending on its setting, it can be made to shoot on rapid fire, or to shoot holes in tanks. It is only weak when fired alone, but strong when ten men are firing in a volley. Just like in the Napoleonic wars.
And usually these kinds of argues tend to evolve into the Imperium of Man vs. The Galactic Empire instead of SW vs. WH40k.
BlackTemplar43 1 month ago
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"In the Warhammer universe, technology and tactics are the way to win battles and they know it. They use recon drones, orbital strikes, drop pods, etc. Also they actually flank, set up traps, insurgency, and even assassinate enemies to win. In Star Wars, they have maybe a drone or they just have an open battlefield face to face with no cover like the Revolutionary war (brits side)."
No they don't do you call the imperal guard and space marines a tactical or strategic force?
darthrevan179 1 month ago
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"Many damn ways to destroy necrons....yeah the old ones thought the same."
Just destroy there tomb worlds and they will never come back!!! the emperium sucks on that.
"Dealing with furries,blue men , fish people and other xenos will bring the Empire its victory xD ."
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"PS: Tech isn't everything. Orks are low tech and they are the most prosperous race. Cuz you can't haff enuff DAKKA!"
Hey thay orks boys are tha dumbest race of tha waaaggghh 40k univers.
darthrevan179 1 month ago
SAFART! you warhammer fans don't give a shit about what i have said you guys are saying that necrons are better well lets talk about that:
darthrevan179 1 month ago
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why the hell would you make a vid about warhammer 40k VS star war! it like saying BF3 Vs super monkey balls are the same thing!
TediBearCommando 1 month ago
why the hell would you make a vid about warhammer 40k VS star war! it like saying BF3 Vs super monkey balls are the same thing!
TediBearCommando 1 month ago
"Kairos" who is that? pffffffff no problem go throw the prophets of dark side or yoda or palpatine.Man that was difficult.
darthrevan179 1 month ago
the imperium has billions of worlds
Starwars seems to not even have 500
Froobleteer 1 month ago
that is the only good clone wars evar!
17pyrodude 1 month ago
One padawan could slaughter an entire grey knight squad.
darthrevan179 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 Nah a padawan will be slaughtered by any weapon of the grey knights. Actually any weapon in the 40k universe can defeat a lightsaber since they are designed to actually kill their targets and travel faster than blasters.
Boomstick898 1 month ago
@Boomstick898
Then give proof lightsaber can cut through a powerarmor with ease and even one blastershot can.
darthrevan179 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 There is no proof that lightsabers can cut down power armor with ease but it is guarantee to easily take any shot from a blaster since it is extremely heat resistant. That is why heavier weapons are the way to go when it comes to taking out a space marine armor. Blasters are matches compare to power armor.
Boomstick898 1 month ago
@Boomstick898
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darthrevan179 1 month ago
@darthrevan179 check your wording
Boomstick898 1 month ago
BTW people, 40k and SW psychic (Psyker/Force powers) will not affect each other in a cross universe situation. Still if so, there are more Psyker humans than Jedis. Also the powers of the Psyker are more devastating since they can literally change reality while force powers are limited to a small areas. Plus even if there is an exceptional force user, they cannot teach others to do so due to the exclusivity of the force powers.
Boomstick898 1 month ago
tyranids have already eaten 10000000000000000000s of universes i wonder who will win ...
Warhammer 40k FTW
auramaster1079 1 month ago
@auramaster1079 nids ate SW universe, agument solved
notenufdaka 1 month ago
The Republic and CIS together might get raped against all of 40k, although they may stand a vague change against the IoM. The Empire takes it easily though.
SuperDuperAgentM 1 month ago
What. A. Fuck?!
KJIeSHyA 1 month ago
It depends on your perspective, in general, the IG would win even in Space considering of the amount of men they have plus as I said before, a single blast from a lasgun can tore a limb off with an almost unlimited amount of amunition. While in combat, the clones would perform better considering they're genetically modified troops just like the Space Marines(but still, they won't stand a chance against them). If it was the IG vs the Rebels, then IG would win for sure
jameslyle24 1 month ago
In terms of weapons, lasers are superior than plasma since lasers travel faster and will be more accurate. While plasma can be good for close range and will be stronger when hit. The blasters will also eventually run out of ammo while the lasguns will not run out unless the battery chargers are destroyed or malfunction.
Boomstick898 1 month ago
You guys got a Deathstar? We got a motherfucking Virus Bomb that turns every living thing on a planet to decomposing gas and a single blast from a ship would ignite the entire planet killing everyone on the surface. Not to mention a planet in the W40K is just as expendable as an entire army of Sith Lords. Let's face it, comparing W40K to SW is like comparing a Minigun to a knife. To top it all off, billions die everyday in W40K, and billions more are born each day. A million is a small army here
jameslyle24 1 month ago
What is up with this W40K vs SW?, a single lasgun of an Imperial Guard can blast off a limb with a single shot on an ordinary human, not to mention it can fire a lot of rounds per minute. The Bolter of the Space Marines is absolutely terrifying, how do you feel when a bullet as big as a hand explodes inside your body tearing you apart?. You guys got a lightsaber?, well we got a fucking Power Sword, it dissipates the molecules of an object completely destroying them. (continuation above)
jameslyle24 1 month ago
war hammer is stuped lol
wasaperson 1 month ago
Good Clone trooper stats for Warhammer 40k (in opinion)... Imperial Guard stats for the most part, other than they would have better BS (4) and weapons, Id give a blaster rifle range 32 (They can shoot VERY far) Strength 4, AP 5, not enough to pierce SM armor, but it would be definitely servicable, and Clone trooper armor would be 4+, mainly because it is the exact same thing as Tau armor, a lightsaber would be a power sword, the only thing that changes that is its solid center, any other stats?
Swatman170 1 month ago
@Swatman170 wow, basicly a tau IG hybrid
timebomb45 1 month ago
40k sux ass... SW is the best story ever made.
Argoth221 1 month ago
@Argoth221 Say what you will, but at least Warhammer gives semi-decent reasons for their tech, why all the factions and doesn't simply accept all races drinking at a bar together. We Humans can barely get along with each other, nevermind something blue and with tentacle hair. Also, I haven't seen a damn thing is SW that comes close to the uniqueness of the Tyranids.
CheffBryan 1 month ago
@Argoth221 By "best story ever" Im assuming you mean "watered-down, beat to death rubbish"? Star Wars is the pop music of sci-fi, generic, flavorless, and aimed at the wallets of middle school children's parents.
603SVT 1 month ago
And then you have lightsabers. Sure, space marine armour is made of the toughest metals that they know of, but they have never encountered lightsabers before. Vmmmm!
"Oh, by the Emperor, my arms are gone!"
see?
Spudtron98 1 month ago
@Spudtron98 light sabers cant deflect bolter rounds not to mention lasscannon or plasma cannon. and your jedi scum if encountered by the librarian will loose all flesh from his bones. or a simple exterminatus will suffice. oh and if lightsabers are so epic how cum the JEDI were defeated by clone toopers!!!!
DanteBloodAngel 1 month ago
Blasters use ionised blaster gas, or as its more commonly known, plasma. Which is capable of punching through Space marine armour in large enough numbers. About five clones vs one space marine should be good enough to be a fair fight.
Spudtron98 1 month ago
@Spudtron98 No, plain and simple. Plasma weapons do exist in Warhammer and do tonnes of damage, but SW has no comparison to the armor the Astartes wear. Also, Plasma is controlled by magnetic fields and a plasma weapon would only be able to deliver it to a foot at most from the end of the barrel, otherwise dissipate into a cloud, just as other gasses do.
I'd also like to see your Troopers take a .75 caliber explosive round to the torso.
CheffBryan 1 month ago
@Spudtron98 i think that clones are almost the same thing as the imperial guard
timebomb45 1 month ago
@timebomb45 no they are not, clones are suppose to be genetically superior to certain humans due to their templates but the imperial guards are fanatically loyal.
Boomstick898 1 month ago
@Boomstick898 i meant in general, i know they are smarter faster and such but there armours are basicly the same( i mean they both can take the same hits) and both carry laser rifles, so it seems to me that they are generally similar.
timebomb45 1 month ago
@timebomb45 Actually, I believe the Imperial Guard has superior armor than the Clone troopers because the flak and the carapace armour are extremely heat resistant and stronger than the clone troopers plastoid armor (plastoid is sometimes used for nonlethal bullets by commandos).
Boomstick898 1 month ago
@Boomstick898 ok, all im trying to say is that the IG and the clones are fairly similar
timebomb45 1 month ago
/watch?v=D-co8eIfWXM Watch that all you star wards fanboys who think it can beat 40k.
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osscorrupt 1 month ago
40k wins on one thing - Virus bombs, Warp storms Etc.... I mean yeah star wars may have the death star but id lol if it tried to shoot terra... itd hit one of the millions of ships orbiting it... Then the forces of the imperium would just procede to virus bomb the death star and laugh
osscorrupt 1 month ago
@osscorrupt or just send in like 4 space marines and kill vader
unhappyman100 1 month ago
@unhappyman100 One grey knight. Do not suffer the mutant to live.
EvaVictoria1989 1 month ago
@osscorrupt cutts the DEATH STAAA is not a planet so a virus does not work, its a large metal ball, logic flaws brought to you by livid crunch, never start a day without a bowl of livid crunch.
Thechangerofways 1 month ago
LOL really warhammer vs Star wars, how is that even to be called a battle, the endless legions of Chaos, the endless amount of Necrons/Tyranids, and I AM NOT even mentioning the Tau, Eldar, Imperium of Man. it takes a 100 clone poopers to even scratch a space marine. and what will their pathetic fleet do vs a Tyranid hive fleet? numbers do not count in this starwars boys, numbers wont stop a Titan or a Baneblade. let alone a bloodthirster.
robinoman1 1 month ago
Who do you think attacked, librarian or infiltrated scouts?
drunkdude194 1 month ago
fail
MrMetaney 2 months ago
Space Marines win :P
GriefGuild 2 months ago
@GriefGuild
Listen carefully up you arrogant prick go troll in wh40k forums.
darthrevan179 2 months ago
ok.
darthrevan179 2 months ago
the elite stormtroopers lost against teddy bears armed with rocks. ROCKS! what self respecting army can justify that?
notenufdaka 2 months ago
@notenufdaka The Salvation Army!
Boomstick898 2 months ago
@notenufdaka Very good point my friend no space marine would have ever disgraced his emperor like that.
eriviscale2 1 month ago
Lol you guys are good compare to the other wh40k fans in debate websites i have encountered years ago...
darthrevan179 2 months ago
"lol CIS :D army was unable to win against the republic, while the republic had no clone army...."
Have you ever seen star wars 2 or 3 or read any books about the clone wars???
darthrevan179 2 months ago
But in ultramarinemovie and failbaddons are the black legion dumb.
darthrevan179 2 months ago
in that Star Wars jungle scene i could almost see a tyranid spore dropping onto the clones and massacring everything in sight
ChaosMugetsu 2 months ago
one of the worst videos i have ever seen
MRussell1994 2 months ago
Maybe the chaos gods are eating the emperor's deathbody.
darthrevan179 2 months ago
@Harky88
The Emperium of man is weak like i said before it's a madness overpowerd empire with no real leader.
darthrevan179 2 months ago
@darthrevan179 Ha that sounds like the Galactic Empire. That emperor is a complete idiot who somehow thought his master plan was to bait the rebels to the Death Star and reveal the shield generator which he could do it without the actual Death Star!
Boomstick898 2 months ago
@Boomstick898
You know the Galactic Empire and especially Emperor palpi underestimated the rebels.
darthrevan179 2 months ago
@darthrevan179 A band of rebels that is capable of destroying their first Death Star with a small fleet of fighters, gather numerous systems to their cause, and escape numerous captures. Yeah that is something small and keep your mind off.
Boomstick898 2 months ago
@Boomstick898
What if you have a big superstation like the death star and your enemy is attacking it with 30 starfighters would you throw all your starfighters to destroy them or do you sit and say:pffffffffffff i don't give a shit about those stupid rebels they would be death in moments!
And don't forget the force was at the rebel side.
darthrevan179 2 months ago
@darthrevan179 I would send a sizable amount to take out the fighters since they somehow located my secret superstation. In any military situation, never underestimate your enemies. Since to ensure that they will be dead in moments, destroying them with a heavy force will do.
Boomstick898 2 months ago
@Boomstick898
"I would send a sizable amount to take out the fighters since they somehow located my secret superstation."
Except...the Empire did exactly that. Hell, the Empire had the Rebellion outnumbered and outclassed. The Executor was able to take on most of their fleet and come out without a scratch (until it was hit by a VERY lucky shot). Even by the end of the battle the Empire outnumbered them, but their morale broke and they retreated.
tskasa1 1 month ago
@tskasa1 The Emperor was such an idiot with a huge ego, he bought a fleet and said to not fire on the Rebels. Thinking the Death Star is an ultimate weapon and it failed by the same mistake as the previous. The Imperium will never let the Rebels have any chance of survival. Plus they would actually destroy the forest of Endor and not reveal the shield generator.
Boomstick898 1 month ago
@Boomstick898
"The Emperor was such an idiot with a huge ego, he bought a fleet and said to not fire on the Rebels."
And you have no idea what you are talking about. That was because the majority of the Empire's fleet was hiding behind the moon of Endor waiting to ambush the Rebel fleet. He told them to hold fire because he wanted to spring a trap and trap and kill them. Hence Ackbar's saying "It's a trap" (cont.)
tskasa1 1 month ago
@Boomstick898
(cont.) He wanted to crush the rebel fleet to keep it from retreating and destroy it utterly so that the rebellion would break and dissapear. And again, for the millionth time, he was winning the battle until moral broke.
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@Boomstick898
"Plus they would actually destroy the forest of Endor and not reveal the shield generator."
And how would you NOT reveal the shield generator? Do you even have any idea what you are talking about? Shield generators have to extend from their generator to their target. Meaning the shield had to extend from the moon of Endor the the DSII to work. This makes it very, very obvious. Not to mention that there are SENSORS that detect shields.
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@darthrevan179
"You know the Galactic Empire and especially Emperor palpi underestimated the rebels."
Not really. Luke was the one thing that turned the war into the Rebel's victory. That is made pretty clear.
tskasa1 2 months ago
@Boomstick898 Honestly the Emperor succeeded in doing what very few could - he converted the Chosen One to the Dark Side, successfully eradicated the Jedi (or at least, most of them), blew an entire planet apart just for the fun of it, and masterminded an entire war from BOTH SIDES.
I mean, seriously - a guy's allowed to make some mistakes, right? Especially after ruling the galaxy for nigh on a decade.
TANSKBD 2 months ago
@TANSKBD The God Emperor succeeded what few people could ever dream He united all of humanity, created the perfect humans who cannot age or die from sickness, take over systems as part of his empire, discover new aliens races, live for 10k+ years, created a conduit for safe travels through space, and become a beacon of hope for all humans to call upon through times of war.
Boomstick898 2 months ago
@Boomstick898 And then the perfect humans he created turned on him, killing nearly all the Primarch during the Horus Heresy and the following years. Not so perfect, eh?
He united all of humanity - by forcing them under his rule, conquering entire planets to bring them to their knees. The fool would probably have been killed by revolts and clashes were it not for his Space Marines, who weren't that perfect anyway. And he's rotting away now. Some beacon of hope.
TANSKBD 2 months ago
@TANSKBD
"I mean, seriously - a guy's allowed to make some mistakes, right? Especially after ruling the galaxy for nigh on a decade."
Actually, he was the Emperor for about 4 decades :P
And yeah, Palpatine wasn't incompetent. Unfortunately for him, Luke existed. Had it not been for Luke, the Empire would have easily crushed the Rebellion.
tskasa1 2 months ago
@tskasa1 Yup ^^
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@Boomstick898
"Ha that sounds like the Galactic Empire. That emperor is a complete idiot who somehow thought his master plan was to bait the rebels to the Death Star and reveal the shield generator which he could do it without the actual Death Star!"
Except...that the Second Death Star wasn't found out by the Alliance because of the Emperor. The Rebel Intel network found out themselves and decided to attack.
tskasa1 2 months ago
40K Wins!
xDranZx 2 months ago
@xDranZx
No sw wins.
darthrevan179 2 months ago
war 40k universe is more powerful,
the troops of the imperium are white, commanders are white the emperator is white!!!!
RavenBeastBoy 2 months ago
@RavenBeastBoy Actually, the Emperor is Turkish. You supremacist fucknut.
Kainlarsen 2 months ago
@Kainlarsen
what i said is true.
white people will rule the galaxy.
RavenBeastBoy 2 months ago
@RavenBeastBoy Cool story, bro.
Kainlarsen 2 months ago
whyyyyyyyyyyyyy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
draugia123 2 months ago
@tskasa1 Yeah - He's a freaking lighthouse in a dimension where attention = daemons coming to eat your soul. Every psyker is a risk because they attract daemons, the more powerful they are, the more (and more dangerous) daemons they attract.
The Emperor is a freaking beacon seen halfway across the galaxy. If he did fight off Daemons, the Imperium would be well and truly fucked, oh, about the time of the Horus Heresy.
LordSia13 2 months ago
@LordSia13
"Yeah - He's a freaking lighthouse in a dimension where attention = daemons coming to eat your soul."
And what is your point? That just shows that he is a powerful psyker, which I have said.
"The Emperor is a freaking beacon seen halfway across the galaxy. If he did fight off Daemons, the Imperium would be well and truly fucked"
But the emperor doesn't fight off demons. He just keeps the hole in the webway that Magnus opened up from opening up again.
tskasa1 2 months ago
@tskasa1 You don't get it, do you?
Being a Psyker isn't like being a force user - while anyone can be possessed, those with Zeta-level or better power attract daemons like a lantern attracts moths. The stronger you are, the more attention you attract, and the greater the effort needed to repel their attempts at usurping control over your mind and body.
If the Emperor didn't fight off Daemons, he would be possessed or worse. Simple as that. It's the scale at which he fights that boggles the mind.
LordSia13 2 months ago
@LordSia13
"Being a Psyker isn't like being a force use"
I agree.
"those with Zeta-level or better power attract daemons like a lantern attracts moths"
You mean Alpha level.
"The stronger you are, the more attention you attract, and the greater the effort needed to repel their attempts at usurping control over your mind and body."
I already know this. What i your point?
tskasa1 2 months ago
@tskasa1 No, I mean Zeta - at that point, death or worse is effectively inevitable without training.
My point? That was lost ages ago, but it boiled down to the fact that the Emperor has been fighting off literally endless hordes of Daemons ever since the Heresy, simply because he's not a candle in the dark or even a bonfire - he's the freaking Sun! And you don't want to know what kind of moths that attracts.
#cough#Tyranids#cough#
LordSia13 2 months ago
@LordSia13
"No, I mean Zeta - at that point, death or worse is effectively inevitable without training.
Yeah- no. Psyker scales go up the greek alphabet, with the closer you are to the beginning the more powerful you are. Hence Alpha is the highest you can be (technically Alpha+ is, but that is just a subdivision of Alpha).
tskasa1 1 month ago
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@LordSia13
"That was lost ages ago, but it boiled down to the fact that the Emperor has been fighting off literally endless hordes of Daemons ever since the Heresy,"
Except he's not fighting demons in the warp. He's using his psychic power to keep the hole that Magnus tore in the webway closed and keeping the demons from spilling into Terra. He's essentially a giant staple for the webway.
tskasa1 1 month ago
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@LordSia13
"If the Emperor didn't fight off Daemons, he would be possessed or worse."
Except he doesn't fight. He keeps the hole in the webway leading to Terra (made by Magnus' accidental and vain effort to warn his father) from opening up again. The Emperor is essentially the Webway's duct tape.
tskasa1 2 months ago
@tskasa1 No, but they are a threat to people in the Imperium - a threat they have weathered for ten thousand years, in spite of Eldar dickery, Dark Eldar slave raids, Ork WAAAAGH!s, Necrons wiping out the odd world for teh lulz, Tyranids coming to om-nom them all, and that's just the major, galaxy-wide menaces!
Proof of, if nothing else, the sheer tenacity and Will to Survive possessed by the Imperium of Man.
LordSia13 2 months ago
@LordSia13
"Proof of, if nothing else, the sheer tenacity and Will to Survive possessed by the Imperium of Man."
Which won't mean much when you are equally numbered, if not outnumbered by a side that has far superior technology, far better logistics, far better transportation, and a far more organized military.
tskasa1 2 months ago
@tskasa1 ... Yeah. It's not like we're approaching <2m accuracy with modern weapons, not even at what amounts to "point blank" range.
And again, my point was that they had a weak spot to begin with. Not a point where the armour was half as thick, not a place where shields did not overlap - but a two-metre hole where a single fighter-carried bomb could blow up the whole 160-km diameter space station.
The incompetence is mind-boggling.
LordSia13 2 months ago
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@LordSia13
"Yeah. It's not like we're approaching <2m accuracy with modern weapons, not even at what amounts to "point blank" range."
Except that said weapons can't maneuver through their target without a type of visual guidance signal. For guided weapons to work you need to signal them where to go, and Luke faced that same problem and was only able to overcome it because of that.
tskasa1 2 months ago
@tskasa1 But Luke only used the force to hit the opening, the rest of it was the torpedo's doing. And what do you know? Not a single internal system (CIWS, forcefield, whatever) to stop an attack the rebels could come up with after a few days of looking over the schematics.
Unless you're arguing that he mentally guided the torpedo all the way to the core, which is not the case AFAIK.
And... You're saying they have full-blown AI, but not self-guided bombs?
LordSia13 2 months ago
@LordSia13
" But Luke only used the force to hit the opening, the rest of it was the torpedo's doing."
No, Luke used the force to make the torpedo do the 90 degree turn from going straight to going downards and into the chute.
"Not a single internal system (CIWS, forcefield, whatever) to stop an attack the rebels"
What are you talking about? The Death Star was FULL of anti-fighter weaponry that, along with the fighter complement, destroyed a LOT of the rebel forces
tskasa1 2 months ago
@tskasa1 ... I meant INSIDE THE HOLE. We see partially permeable force fields in every hangar bay, how hard could it be to install one to cover a two-metre hole for a split second in case of an emergency?
Or, for that matter, put a tiny little chain-blaster turret next to the vent - pop the rebel scum as they travel toward it through the trench that otherwise would protect them against the various active defences.
LordSia13 2 months ago
@LordSia13
""And again, my point was that they had a weak spot to begin with. Not a point where the armour was half as thick, not a place where shields did not overlap - but a two-metre hole where a single fighter-carried bomb could blow up the whole 160-km diameter space station."
Except it's not incompetence. most weapon designs have flaws (...except for the Death Star II, really), especially if they are the first of a their kind of weapon (cont.)
tskasa1 2 months ago
@tskasa1 Right.
"Oops, our 160-kilometre 'invincible' battlestation could be destroyed by a fighter-carried bomb. But it's okay, we've fixed that design flaw for our new, even bigger and more expensive version! This time, they'll have to fly the fighter all the way INTO the core - because there's no way those rebels are crazy enough to have suicide bombers!
And, let's face it - the first station was just a model- er, prototype."
LordSia13 2 months ago
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@LordSia13
"could be destroyed by a fighter-carried bomb."
But ONLY because the said weapon hit the reactor core. This means that it made a huge hole in the reactor that produces energy on the level of a star of about our sun's caliber. Which made it go "boom" for obvious reasons, as the reactor core was no longer stable.
tskasa1 2 months ago
@LordSia13
"This time, they'll have to fly the fighter all the way INTO the core - because there's no way those rebels are crazy enough to have suicide bombers!"
Except that's not what happened. The Death Star II was still incomplete. It was only something like 40% complete at the time of the battle, but the Empire made due with what they had.
tskasa1 2 months ago
@tskasa1 So... It wasn't fully operational when they attacked? Funny, that's the impression I got when I watched the movie ("It's a trap!"), but then again, it has been a few years...
And hey, giant battlestation under construction - why invest one of those "millions" of Star Destroyers I read about in defending a multi-something-illion credit project?
LordSia13 2 months ago
@tskasa1 Well, DSII still blew up when they flew all the way into the reactor core - because, for some reason, they left an opening all the way in and...
Hey, they didn't install internal defences there either! What do you know, they DIDN'T learn anything from the DSI! Good job, emperor Palpy, good job...
LordSia13 2 months ago
@LordSia13
The Death Star II also wasn't completley completed and it was only at 40% construction. It's main weapon and SOME of its engines and external weapons could function, but not much else. So...that's not saying much. The Rebels attacked the DSII BEFORE it was completed precisely BECAUSE it would have been near-impregnable after it was completed.
tskasa1 1 month ago
@LordSia13
The fact stands that the said hole was so heavily fortified that it would have been impossible for any conventional fighter to have killed it, and only Palpatine's oversight that a Jedi capable of waging war still existed screwed him over, which wasn't really all too much of a folly on his part seeing as to how he pretty much had a crusade against Jedi and most of them had disappeared for decades (cont.)
tskasa1 2 months ago
@tskasa1 Yeah. Because there's no way a Jedi or ten went underground (like the Sith did) and later joined the Rebellion.
And we're still talking about the equivalent of designing a super-carrier so that a single bird can blow the whole thing up by pooping down a little hole on top of the bridge. Because NO ONE would EVER think of deploying hundreds of seagulls against an aircraft carrier, so it's okay. Right?
LordSia13 2 months ago
@LordSia13
Also not to mention that so far as space ships go 2m is really, really tiny. Especially for an installation as massive as the Death Star.
tskasa1 2 months ago
:| Juz saying, but - The Imperium of Man simply doesn't really like technology. If I may, their technology is dropping further back than during the Dark Age of Technology. They simply don't have the blueprints to build some of the stuff they did, and you see numerous references to this Darkstar Fortress or that warship being unable to be constructed anymore, for the simple reason that they don't have the technology to do it.
Technology-wise, it's a definite win for the SW Galaxy. Sorry, mates.
TANSKBD 2 months ago
@TANSKBD The Imperium of Man is a very very large empire that is constantly at war which is 10,000 years pending. It is better to repair the tech rather than make new ones due to the amount of materials it will cost. Also it is law that Alien technology should not be used due to the possibility that it may cause corruption which it does. Still, their idea of tech is durability and strength
Boomstick898 2 months ago
@Boomstick898 It's not a very good approach, actually. They still use Dark Age technology to wage war, and their constant repairs have actually reduced the quality of their armor and vehicles. Given the option, I would say that the Imperium would reduce itself into destruction within a millienia or so. Not to mention the God-Emperor is currently rotting away on his throne, which itself is broken too.
And alien tech is used by the Grey Knights chapter.
TANSKBD 2 months ago
@TANSKBD The Imperium DOES like tech, they simply fear innovation, because of the AD Mech's stranglehold religion on it. Were it not for the Mechanicum, they would still be trying to think of their own innovations, and thus be further ahead than they are.
Also, for all its inefficiency, the Imperium still easily stands toe-to-toe with the Empire/Republic.
Kainlarsen 2 months ago
@Kainlarsen Sorry mate, but no, the Republic/Empire is significantly more efficient. But let's get one thing straight; these two universes should never meet. Ever. Or else the war would probably last for decades. It's actually a very efficient stalemate, because of how evenly matched the two sides are. SW would win in space, but the Imperium would hold their own on the ground.
TANSKBD 2 months ago
@TANSKBD I disagree, but I respect your opinion.
Kainlarsen 2 months ago
@Kainlarsen Sir! You have my respect. Truly, it's hard to find someone this honorable on the Internet these days. Too many trolls around.
TANSKBD 2 months ago
@TANSKBD
Sorry, the last part of that last message was meant for you. But moving on:
That's all that really matters. If the Imperium can't control space they can't land troops. Also, if they don't control space than there is nothing to stop the Galactic Empire from bombarding them to death.
tskasa1 2 months ago
@Harky88
Give me some links or names where you get that stuff.
darthrevan179 2 months ago
@darthrevan179 i dunno :D i did read 80 books + the codexes and rulebooks. :D i doubt even 20% of those things are even on lexicanum
Harky88 2 months ago
And droids aren't clones roflez!!!
darthrevan179 2 months ago