PAX 2009 Day Two - Star Trek Online space combat

[Ninefingers1010]

hardcore S.T. fan.......bailed during Beta. Don't regret turning my back on this.

[JaiHindArbhav]

Looks like shit

[tulpoy]

really boring game

[eyeofbast]

AHHH!!! Z-axis crap that Legacy had. They should keep the space combat (player viewing) like it is in SFC III

[Capcan74]

I play EVE, and am a life long Treker... However I have a Mac, so I got the shaft. But, the graphics look great, I like the explosions, much better than EVE. I hope to be able to play someday.

~B

[reallysecretusername]

this game looks really awesome im not sure why there isnt much praise for it

[tacticalzen]

For a lot of people it just didn't meet their expectations for what a Star Trek game *should* be (I'm one of them). Once I stepped back from my frothing Trekker rage, I decided that it's an okay game just for the Trek space combat alone.

It's definitely pewpew, so don't expect depth, Bioware level storylines or anything like that. I think they had 50 developers working on it, iirc; compared to roughly 125 devs for Mass Effect 1.

[kranktank]

@tacticalzen but you would also have needed an entire team of players in place and working together just to pilot a ship. it sounded interesting to me in some ways, but not much like a good game or a fun game. anyway, STO is for me very fun but also limited in content - for now. if it's still around in 6 months to a year (and you haven't all forgotten about it playing the transformers mmo, LOL) my advice is maybe think about giving it a try.

[zeo2487]

@tacticalzen you all so have to keep in mind. That this game is still young. Its not like WoW that is about 6 or so years old and has had patch patch and more patches to make it flow better and do better. So as long as they dont kill it and keep it going and just make it better from where it is now i can see it become a very good game.

[kranktank]

@reallysecretusername cbs studios (the owner of the star trek name, likeness, rights, whatever, etc) rushed Cryptic to put it out trying to catch some of the buzz from the 2009 ST movie. I think they were also impatient from dealing with the previous game developer (not Cryptic) who farted around on a much different ST mmo for a couple years without much to show for it. Something about a game based totally inside the Ent D which would be completely open & explorable down to the Jeffrey's tubes

[Deathmist90]

Truly, ship would have been destroyed on the first pass at 1:15

[witchking3434]

no way would a miranda class ship destroy three bird of preys

[pelicane136]

C'mon, man. That's a Miranda class cruiser...

[HoucKSF]

@antrop16 nope, around $15 a month.

[JooshTube]

be cool if you could set up a ambush with your friends and jump some fuckers ship. what happens if you bring one down?

[EyeOnTheTV]

I really really want to like this game. I'm not sure if I am capable of liking it. Cartoony graphics and characters..... yuck. But don't get me wrong, graphically this is very good it's just the art direction they choose is not to my tastes. Why must all MMOs have this cartoony feel?

[DrRockso99]

Because ultra realistic graphics are difficult to do in a gigantic unscripted game world with lots of player controlled characters crowding the screen. Also, the idea with an MMO is that you want as many people to buy it and play it as possible, so you don't want to make it to intense for the majority of computers to handle. What you are looking for is MMOs that will come out maybe a decade from now, and be played on hardware that shits all over anything we have now.

[michaeferguson]

eve is really dumb, i hope this will kick butt

[comeseedie]

@michaeferguson Let me guess, u dont understand eve?

[yugioh11241]

i need to buy this game

[Thehubb1]

I like the idea of different directional shield levels. Adds another layer of tactical game play like diverting power to front shields etc. EVE should adopt that one..

[palpay]

I can't wait until it comes out on February 12!

[IncaRoad01]

February 2nd

[Baleur]

Looks fucking awesome, more than i hoped for.

[nzcookiemonster]

this looks fun, were those npcs

[NefariousKoel]

I realize he's an FNG, but the guy had knew little of maneuvering and shield management.

Perhaps SFC should be prescribed as a warm-up?

[DaedalEVE]

Looking GOOD! StarTrek meets EVE. Finally, something where I can actually follow the politics and give a crap about what happens.

[Antisocialnerd2]

yeah giving a crap about what happens is always good lol ^_^

[regemo]

yea they have a writer on board to, so the storyline continues throughout the game. and cryptic has a record of releasing game content patches every 3 or 4 months.

[bottle2lip]

wish the ship death explosions were a bit more epic. but overall looking pretty good

[crashnman]

that player should learn some evasive maneuvers lol

[OverpoweredWarrior]

fantastic game cant wait

[CMDRKillsalot]

STO still looks like shit.

[ciscokitty8]

i have so got to get this game lol..anyone know when it's going to be released?

[jakotatio]

I'm so excited for this game, its going to be amazing. and it comes out February 2nd for those of you who don't know

[joey1430]

5th in europe.

[Apollo11222]

@ciscokitty8 Some time in Feb 2010

[DaedalEVE]

feb 2010. You can preorder now.

[JuniorDExchangecore]

this is a lot more tactical, me like.

[1ownjoo2]

Are there top and bottom sheilds ? It seems all there is front,back left and right..

I dont know the giving names for top and bottom dorcel or something i dunno.. But you know what im talking about

[Romulaan]

l think you have to imagine them yourself. It's a bit complicated to explain in English, but if i'm right, your after shield covers your whole ship at the back, including the upper and the lower part of that ''half circle'' you see on the screen.

[1ownjoo2]

Yea i figured it was something like that. Front top/bottom, back top/bottom and so forth..

I cant wait for this game to come out. I quit WOW like 8 months ago after about 4 years on that. I still play eve every now and then i have my main at 16m SP however all i do now is log on to change skills lol.. It gets boring fast

[1ownjoo2]

Eve enviorment look nothing like this haha.. Eves space graphics are years old the colors are washed out . I don't understand why people compare eve graphics to this. Eve is ugly as he'll compared to this game. One thing I wish they would remove in st:o are those stupid trails you're engines make.

[Romulaan]

Totally agree, EvE online has way more simple graphics than Star Trek Online does. And you're right, the trails are ugly ;\ They do look cool on warp though.

[1ownjoo2]

Warp yes, but the trails are totally unnesesary and ugly.. Eve online had these trails along time ago and finally got rid of them. Hopefully there will be some kind of option to turn it off in game.

But ya eve graphics the new dx9 ones are good. But there only the ships and stations and stuff. The actuall space graphics are still dx7 and look like ST: Klingon academy the background in eve is in 16bit color and are washed out.  ST:O is far beyond eve for graphics.

[R4Akai]

LOL this game looks like "starfleet command II" with some new effects...

eve will get in 2days a new patch and looks better.

... but i will test star trek online even if i thought the fights are more like in "klingon academy" (epic game)

[coprhead6]

Hmm, someone never got into Star Trek when they were younger... Pitty.

[R4Akai]

let me check

- just didnt watch the lame "new old enterprise"

- played allmost each damn game with "star trek" brand on his cover...

yeah guess ur right.

[tristar1215]

umm have u ever played eve eves graphics are actualy better just these graphics are very colourfull and also eves more demanding on graphics cards than this actualy allot more demanding

[1ownjoo2]

I have played eve for 3-4 years now. I played back when the graphics were really old and with the new engine.  The graphics are not better then these lol. You do relise the only thing new in eve graphics wise are ship/station and and asteriod models ? With a version of HDR from DX9. The back drop of space and the stars/planets ect are all from the old engine.

Also PC demand doesnt mean better graphics.. There is a diff between that and engine optimisation

[raignsites]

So what're you getting at? This game looks nice AND it probably won't feel as barren as EvE. There's no fast way to level in EvE and the time you spend training you're farming ISK. It takes a tremendous amount of time to barely get suited for PvP.

[tristar1215]

wooooo hey i love this game no doubt its better than eve i just sauid eve is more demanding on a graphics car than this because its way more demanding than campions online

[Gimpad]

I dont know where ur getting that eve is more demanding than CO or STO (CO and STO has the same system requirements) my old computer could run eve on maximum, and handle 2k ship fleets, but it had to run CO on 50% graphics to get proper FPS. And if u take a look at the actual hardware requirements you will see that the eve requirements are considerably lower.

[lethalforce]

Well it's a camera.. and if you look at the recoomeneded system reqs.. its pretty high. Im sure they've improved on the graphics/

[erich10001]

Im deffinently getting this game at launch and paying the monthly fee not to be too nerdy

[Warpath2198]

You shouldn't be scared of being "nerdy". Everything you are doing now was considered ultra nerdy in the 80's, early 90's. I remember being called "nerdy" for burning music in 1998 now its "cool". Being nerdy is being ahead of the curve while the sheep follow.

[erich10001]

Yeah but this is great i just hope that you can attack the opposing faction without warning giving the game a bigger sence of danger and realism, but you can take territory from the other faction and affect its economy this is the mmorpg ive been waiting for--instead of gay ass warcraft--i think the graphics are awsome, even more so since it is a for MMORPG

[Morbius22003]

Truth be told, it looks a lot like SFC with larger environments and a deeper sense of space. I hope these are only pre-Beta explosions, because starship explosions take stuff with them if it's in thier vicinity when it goes.

[Morbius22003]

plus SFC incorporated the blast wave effect when thier ships exploded. I love Star trek, i'm Trekkie from knee high to a pup to now, but so far i'm not impressed with the space portion. Ground, and interior play looks like it will have some substance though.

[folion37130]

I don't know if you ever play or heard of eve - online. but the look of the environments look a lot like that to.

[Morbius22003]

Yeah, i currently play EVE now. Love the game. Honestly, i don't don't think there is even a close comparison between the two, i mean EVE is just OUTrageously gorgeous, I've been playing for a little over a year now, and i'm always fascinated by how beautiful this game is, and i'm only pushing an NVIDIA 6200 right now. Fried my 8600 trying to install a SATA HD (don't ask, because i have no idea how, LoL!)

[Morbius22003]

I'm willing to take a look over ST-Online, because i'm a Trekkie at heart, but the space battle they showed just didn't send me, not after playing EVE. I'll need more than that.

[Morbius22003]

You know an even bigger question Folion37130? You know how in EVE we have the Passive Shield Tanks (Drake's, Raven's ect..) or Armor Tanks (Myrmidon's, Brutix ect...)? Do you see those types of ships happening in this game?

[Gimpad]

you will be able to direct all power to shields, this will increase your shield hardiness ALOT, but you won't have as much spare energy ro redistribute to damaged shields, it will be... kinda like a buffertank, but not a true drake.

[agentm31]

I love the use of LCARS. It's a nice little detail that really adds a lot

[m4dc0w4]

Please don't tell me you can't move in 3 dimensional space... looked like it was 2d

[Arkantos117]

Erm looked pretty 3d to me? Changes in height and direction = 3d

[entrailsgalore]

Up down, left right, forward backward, isn't that 4d?

[washow]

are you retarded?

[entrailsgalore]

Are you?

[Lokaara]

I love that game.

I will play SWTOR too, but STO will be my main game. Its like a Childream isnt it.

Flying with a Federation ship as Captain and with your Customized Crew trought Klingons, fire on them with your Phasers.

[LauxRO]

"full impulse ahead!" LOL! damn good to hear that from picard! this game looks great, i am ULTRA looking forward ,to play it.

[LEGOALEX97]

As ive observes, when you enter combat, the ships shields show up (the circle)

they go down, you might DIE!

[spinninglink]

To be honest, i care more about exploration. Just pick a direction and see what's out there :)

[Sorayn]

Totally agree..however I'd love to shove the ocasional Torpedo up a Klingons' ***! (No pun intended)

[Sozomai]

You, uh, made a pun?

[farmdogg69]

man now that beta is out i cant wait to get some gameplay :)

[Styliztik12345]

so can you have like several people on your ship like your crew or can only 1 person control 1 ship with no one els onboard cause taht would suck

[Satezhi]

yeah that is why the game isnt gonna be as good as it could be, cuz everyone is captain of their own ship, would be way cooler with crews

[Kurganxy]

not if u have to wait for everyone to log in so u can play.

[Cullis001]

Looks good but neither space nor ground combat looks that fluid or developed for want of a better criticism. Beta will tell...

[silverbolt03]

Only 10km? Shouldn't the ship's effective weapons range be around 40km or so. Why so close before you can engage them?

[romulanale1]

awesome

[ElectricalBadger]

I hope that pop-up doesn't come up as often as it did there, I can see it getting quite annoying.

[jle717]

it seems to be the primary method of story-telling, outside away missions.

[Livingforpace]

I assume that those circles around the ship represent it's shield status well if I'm correct I think it would be better if they made them like in ST bridge commander this circles kinda get in the way

[philessexuk]

like most mmos they never come out completed but they continually upgrade the game, and besides the first year it will be pretty shit graphics and content compared to what it hopefully will turn into

[mythril444]

I think that you have to start with a Miranda class vessel ): I've never liked that class much, they are kinda like the redshirts of the fleet, always the first to be destroyed. Oh well, I can just customize it and pretend it's something different :D

[Norky100]

I want a Galaxy Class :) just the canon Galaxy Class

[Zacori15]

Can't wait till it comes out! :)

[rich1701]

why do i get the impression combat is all this game is about?

[JOLEMONGOL]

It's not all about combat if you want to explore then it's up to you but you know they wanted to show the combat system like how tactical it was with the power control and all.We gonna see more of the game later remember this is like beta or pre-beta.

[rich1701]

I really hope you are right, After so many disappointing star trek games It's made me pessimistic.

[vp21ct]

That impression would be wrong. Combat is the easiest part for the devs to make, for certain, but they have done alot of work to allow exploration to be a viable game play option that's fun.

The Combat just looks better on a demo :)

[rich1701]

well they have just released a new trailer... "perhaps this might have something new" i thought.... Instead it was more of the same with an unconvincing Klingon voice over.

[vp21ct]

What the hell do you expect from a klingon trailer. That trailer was the product of much griping about how we have very little on the klingon faction. Now we know that they will be the more solidly PvP oriented faction, with the federation being more PvE/exploration.

If your wondering how they would balance that: They most likely won't have too, the Federation will likely be the much larger faction. so it works.

Lurk the forums a little, and check out the website, and alot is explained.

[rich1701]

I expect to be wowd vp21, the trailer only served to solidify what we already know. As a promotional trailer to make people want to play the game... It didn't do much for me, and surely that should be the main purpose of any trailer along with informing the viewers of anything new of which there was little. I'm a member of the forums I try to keep up to date, I know what they are talking about, i just want to see proof of it and how good it really is.. impatiently perhaps.

[TFOKillSwitch]

not till next year they havent started closed bata yet

[spaddle111]

hey has the game come out? like can you buy/ download it?

[luckydawg22]

no comes out next year

[dangkoen]

Looks amazing!

[mrspidey80]

Looks like the AI still needs to be worked on. That second BoP got anihilated by it's buddies warpcore breach.

[mythril444]

The first bird was destroyed pretty rapidly, it didn't even have time to respond.

[MrDobilina]

yay for AOE breaches, can you imagine a fleet maneuver like in EVE with 50 ships vs 50 ships, or like in DS9 with all that combat - hopefully will be tactical

[boredsurfin06]

Oh man...Oh Man...OH MAN!!!

:D

[HecG]

Bad ass explosions. Can't wait to get this!

[sanderrodijk]

Cant wait.....but i hope there is more than this space battles! ? because you just can play legacy instead..

[mythril444]

You haven't seen anything about ground combat?

[rhadiel]

I fear this will fail just as StarGate Worlds... :[

[spaddle111]

nah.

[StealthBlue]

Oh good god, so players won't be able to have 3D movement... and there will be load screens.

I'm sorry but at this stage it looks like an arcade shooter.

[GamerX000000]

lol nah its nothing like that, he just didnt do a lot of maneuvering that's all. you should watch the other videos its more exciting.

[Dostwyn]

As far as I've understood it, it's like this: Each system is on it's own. If you want to leave the system, you'll go on a big overview-map in which you can travel between different systems. And in another video, I've seen that you have 3D movement, you can go up and down and fly over or under everything. I'd guess it'll be a bit like Freelancer

[monkeydude11111]

There's 3D movement, just up/down rather than full rotation.

[vipeness]

people agree, your mom is an arcade shooter.... notice them un-commenting your ass to death. Great Game btw.

[Freemancos]

Nice vid, the most clear from this days.

[VirtuaCory]

OMG...sweet

[FrankyT49]

This game looks awsome, I used to play Earth and Beyond and it looks so much like it only its Star Trek! :D Can't wait till I play it! ^^