Texas School Book Depository Employee Wesley Buell Frazier

[autoad]

Let's assume the fingerprints belong to Mac Wallace.

What other physical evidence in the entire city of Dallas incriminates Wallace?

Nothing.

There's a disproportionate amount of noise being made about Wallace and his alleged participation in the assassination based on the questionable identification of a pinky print and a suspicious silence about LHO and the mountain of evidence against him.

[captainkavern]

@autoad that Mac Wallace print is the weakest proof ever. but Conspiracists will ignore the dozens of elements in favor of Oswald's guilt, saying they are forged or fake to stick to that ridiculous print. How logical is that?

[autoad]

@captainkavern It isn't. And if you're a pro-conspiracy advocate, logic is the first thing that gets disposed.

[BosPercussion]

What videos are thse clips from?

[captainkavern]

So if he was not carrying the rifle, can someone explain me where the fuck are those curtain rods????? (cause they were never found)

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern YES, he was carrying the rifle - in his role as undercover intel agent just doing his job. He would have been a hero if he wasn't being duped all along! Who was THE shooter up there?...maybe Mac Wallace, maybe someone else. There was ANOTHER rifle up there too...a Mauser. So, there may have been TWO shooters up there & one at the picket fence (obviously) & one or more in the Dal-Tex building. Look at MISSING evidence! The LIMO for example! The head shot bullet, etc.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69 ok, what do we know? Oswald owned a manlicher carchano.He was photographed by his wife with it (3 times). He bought it under the fake name Alek Hidell. We know that because oswald was carrying a fake ID with this name on it when he was arrested. We know he brought his rifle to the TSB because of Frasier's (his co-worker's testimony) whao said he carried a long bag with him the morning of the assassination supposedely containing curtain rods wich were never found

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - Oswald did all that stuff because he was UNDER COVER as an intel agent, being set up as the patsy all along. When you're under cover, you do as your "role" says to do and he was reporting all that to his handlers all along. He was waiting in the break room to hear about guys getting busted upstairs (and maybe a promotion). If he was the assassin, why would he "get away" by sitting around in the break room, rather than splitting out the back door? Explain that.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69

Frankly if he was set up, he was the most stupid agent ever. Wich he was not . Not, stupid and certainly not an agent. We know what he did almost day by day when he came back from russia. There is NO evidence he was an agent. And I want you to give me a real proof of this set up scenario. This is a pure fiction made by stone in his very innacurate film JFK. I mean you ask me to explain something that is pure invention!!! I ask youu to show me a single testimony or proof.

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - Look, you need to do a LOT more research! There is LOTS of evidence he was a (grunt) agent. Two intel ID numbers Wade questioned the FBI about. His many intel contacts & handlers (Demorenshedlt, Hosty). Clay Shaw was intel. Oswald's notes to the FBI all along. His telegram to the head of Naval intel (which prompted the teletype by Hoover to the FBI offices of "possible assassination attempt in Dallas, when Hoover was called about it). Do YOUR research!!

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - You say Oswald was not an agent? You're kidding right? How did he get back into the states after defecting from Russia? Only someone INSIDE the agency could do that back then. Do YOU work for the "disinformation" group? Sure sounds like it...or you just don't know anything...do your work!! You are WAY misinformed.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69

Well I guess you don't like when somebody doesn't share your views...But sorry that is what I think. I have done my research and  very seriously. I am ready to believe Oswald was an agent if somebody give me a hard evidence he was. No one has so far. The fact that he got out of russia is a proof he was an agent for you? Wow THAT is serious research!!!! I mean his defection to russia was in the newspaper. That is not very secret for a CIA agent....

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - It's not ONE thing that proves Oswald was an undercover agent or that it was a conspiracy & cover-up. You have to look at things COLLECTIVELY. There is a TON of evidence (& missing evidence) & Oswald & Ruby behaviors, etc. If you put the pieces together, you'd see it. Oswald was silenced - Ruby had too much to lose to kill some "lone nut". LBJ & others had millions & billions to gain. LBJ's legal troubles were over and he became President.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69

We know the police found a Manlicher Carchano and not a Mauser in the sniper's nest. Why ? Because the founding was filmed by a local tv camera crew. it shows the rifle is a carcano. that rifle could easily be mistaken with a mauser.

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - You forgot about Roger Craig, the brave police officer who kept telling the truth about the Mauser that was found on the 6th floor. He was 2 feet from it & saw "MAUSER" on the barrel. I suppose he was one of the 100+ people who were proclaimed "mistaken" about what they eye-witnessed according to people sitting in their chairs wearing those suits in D.C., right? He even went on talk shows to tell the nation about it. There were probably TWO rifles up there .

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69

Craig is a beloved Conspiracy cook witness. But he changed his stories to much to be credible. In 1968 in the LAtimes he said that a Mauser was found by the police on the roof of the building. Then he changed his testimony and said the mauser was found on the 6th floor. The discovery of the carchano was filmed by Tom Alyea and there was many officers there. And of course people like you ignore that and focus on Roger Craig wich is just not credible.

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - and all the networks reporting it was a Mauser, not just Craig. Why do you refuse to believe that there were more than one shooter up there?...the ballistics study PROVED there were at least 4 shots and probably several more. The House hearings CONCLUDED it was a probable conspiracy, but not YOU - so I guess YOU must be right.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69

What sutdy? every serious study even the House select commity concluded that Oswald did the shooting. They said it was a probable conspiracy. Thay said probable not proven. I don't think I am right. I think no one came with credible evidence of a conspiracy. Nothing more than wild stories speculations and innacurate fact easily debunked.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69 The rest is pure speculation and fiction. Oswald was set up? If he was ? Why did he say nothing to the press conference in front of tv cameras, why did he say nothing to his brother? To his mother? To his wife? who talked to him while he was in custody.  Why nobody saw any stranger in the TSB? Mac Wallace was brought up by William Reymond a journalist who 2 years before saying that was telling a complete different conspiracy with other names as the killers...

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern At least TRY to open your mind. There is LOTS of evidence of conspiracy and coverup. Oswald said he was set up to his family and the nation in front of the cameras ("I'm the patsy"). There WAS a "stranger" in the TSBD. Yes, Mac Wallace was one set of the "unidentified" fingerprints on the boxes, uncovered by Barr McClelland in his book. Missing head shot bullet; the PLANTED "pristine" bullet; the restored limo!! - the list goes on and on....do your research.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69 I spent most of my life believing there was a conspiracy. So if somebody has an openned mind , it's me. when you OSWALD says "I am just a pasty" you take half of his sentence. And of course taken out of context, you can make him say whatever you want. He NEVER said it to his brother (his brother made many interviews easily watchable on youtube, do your research too) he was set up.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69 Oswald said "They are arresting me because of the fact I lived in the soviet union, I am just a patsy" he didn't talk about being set up. He was lying by the way , he was arrested because of the Tippit murder.

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - Being a "patsy" IS being "set up" you idiot.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69

Please don't get rude because it doesn't make you look smarter...

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - Oswald said "They say I shot a police officer". He also said "I'm a patsy", in reference to shooting the President. Also, Ruby told everyone it was LBJ behind it....and so did E. Howard Hunt. The driver slowed down, the meeting at Murchison's the night before. The Mac Wallace fingerprints on the boxes. The missing evidence. The scrubbed crime scene and autopsy. There is a TON of evidence. Oswald was the patsy all the way and WC was LBJ's coverup mechanism.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69

that post doen't deserve an answer...

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69

the bullet was NOT pristine. it had been fired and flatten. The limo was restored. yes but it doesn't mean anything.

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - I love how ignorant you are....restoring the limo "doesn't mean anything"...?? Why? - maybe because then YOU ARE WRONG and you REFUSE to see the TRUTH?....yes, THAT is why. LBJ was INSTRUMENTAL in this "change in the Executive Branch". Have you bothered to look at E. Howard Hunt's testimony, or the deeper truth of what was happening? Open your mind and you will see.You just blew off EVIDENCE..cleaning the LIMO is EVIDENCE of a COVERUP! It was the CRIME SCENE!!

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69

Please don't call me an ignorant I don't share you views . I was enjoying our debate so far it was cordial . We where opposing our view but now you seem to be out of argument so you start to insult. Typical of the intolerant conspiracy nuts who cannot understand that someone does'nt share his views...sad.

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - OK, yes the bullet was a little "flattened"...therefore, it went into JFK's back, turned up toward his throat, turned again to go OUT the front (leaving a tiny hole), then through Connally's back & lung & ribs, out his nipple area, shattered his wrist bone, then into his thigh, LOTS of bullet fragments (that were MISSING EVIDENCE) & then those fragments "magically" reattached to the bullet, with no blood traces on the bullet. You would believe ANYTHING.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69

Well believed in conspiracy until 2 or 3 years ago. The fact that a man says i am innocent doesn't mean he is. So you arrest somebody and he says "I didn't do it" you let the guy go??? wow ! you would be avery professionnal cop! The Mac Wallace Story is a complete fraud. The restored limo was not the wisest thing to do I agree. But it dosn't mean it was a conspiracy because of that.

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - The Mac Wallace Story is FACT...his fingerprints were identified just a few years ago. There were several prints on the boxes that didn't match any cops or employees, etc.....turned out to be Mac Wallace. It's FACT, not fiction and very important information (that's why you reject it). Where is YOUR proof that the Mac Wallace Story "is a complete fraud"?? Why would Jack Ruby kill some "lone nut"? He had too much to lose to do that - he was SILENCING Oswald.

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern You don't know that Oswald said "I'm just the patsy!" to the press?? Do you think he'd document it all with pictures, gun purchase receipt with an obvious alias, palm prints, etc. etc. if he was gonna try to get away with it? He did flee, right? Why wait until AFTER he was told that somebody shot the president if HE did it?....no, he would have fled immediately out the back door. He was an under cover intel agent waiting for the good news, but his world got flipped.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69 noody ever saw anyone shooting from the picket fence. Only in 1978 peole starde to remember seeing things.. Lee Bowers who had a perfect view behind the picket fence at the time of the shooting saw nothing more than 2 men watching and not even close from one another he gave his testimony. What missing eveidence? If it's not there of course it is missing but if it has never existed please don't create it!

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - MANY people heard the shot from the picket fence & several saw a puff of smoke with two guys pulling back into the parking lot area. A guy in FRONT of the picket fence shooter heard & felt the bullet whiz by & he hit the deck. He was a tourist from Canada & was filming the motorcade with his movie camera & a "cop with a gun" took his film away (missing evidence). Also missing is the LIMO, the head shot bullet, the bullet fragments from Connally, the Mauser, etc.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69

more than 80 percent of the witness in dealey plaza herard 3 shots from the TBSD. Nobody was standing in front of the picket fence. Thee were 3 guys on the stairs close to the picket fence, they testified before the waren comission (I read them, did you?) and they never mentionned any shot from the grassy knoll. Even Abraham Zapruder who was close too with his secretary said no shot came from the fence.

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - Bullshit...nearly everyone there ran to the grassy knoll and said they heard a shot from the picket fence. THE FBI LIED AND CHANGED WHAT THEY SAID IN THEIR REPORTS. You are NOT doing smart investigative work..you are just "convinced" and stubbornly rejecting further facts if you dig deeper. I see it in ALL your words and replies here. EVIDENCE of COVERUP is the FBI agents LYING as to what was told to them by witnesses. Also, the WC ignoring what the doctors said.

[captainkavern]

@Tomaji69 Who is that tourist from Canada what is name and is not visible in any film or picture taken at thet moment, (the muchmore film etc...)??? Many photos where made immediately in the aftermath of the shooting. he should be visible....Jean Hill May Moorman are visible...No one saw any suspicious cop arresting people and grabing cameras. This is pure fantasy...

[Tomaji69]

@captainkavern - Oswald WAS carrying a rifle...he was under cover, so naturally he put the rifle in place, just as he was supposed to, then sat in the break room waiting for the FBI to bust those guys after all his hard work, hoping for a big promotion (finally). He was shocked to hear they had blown the bust, then figured it out and split....he was the patsy all along. So long sucker! Then they silence him (more proof of conspiracy). Listen to what Ruby says..and E. Howard Hunt.

[redtorso]

@captaink Rite they were never found BUT this bag was .... ONLY SEEN by W. Frazier !!!! Did Lee carry a bag that day ? Did Frazier tell the truth ?????

[bapyou]

It was aliens! Aliens shot JFK! Eyewitnesses recall seeing a creature with big eyes set in a big white head behind the fence on the grassy knoll. It's true! It's true!

Oswald was a Earthling. There's no way he could have done it.

[Tomaji69]

@bapyou - There's a TON of evidence of conspiracy and coverup if you let yourself THINK from THAT perspective. Look for MISSING and suspicious evidence. The Mac Wallace fingerprints on the boxes. The missing LIMO that was whisked away to be cleaned up!! We should be able to examine that TODAY without it being changed in ANY way!! The missing head shot bullet. The missing fragments from Connally. The "Doctored" autopsy, etc. Let's exhume JFK NOW and look again. A bullet in his back, etc.

[BlackieGirl]

By music, I meant the music used in the older documentary, not Helmer's . Mr. Reenberg's vids are awesome.

[BlackieGirl]

I think that everyone here has to realize that Buell Frazier and his sister were the only two people to have seen Oswald carry ANYTHING into the TSBD that day. And I just love how the music practically screams "LEE HARVEY OSWALD, KILLER AT LARGE"! What a piece of BS government propaganda.

Frazier was obviously threatened within an inch of his life.

[bobeagle007]

why would a man with the balls to attempt shooting jfk totally denie it later..

[Tomaji69]

@bobeagle007 - Exactly...if he was a "lone nut", he would have bragged about it. He told the truth that he was the patsy...he was an intel agent doing undercover work and duped all along!! Do you think that, back in that era, anyone could just waltz back into America with a Russian wife (daughter of KGB) after defecting to Russia like that? He was a (very disposable) "grunt" intel operative used for "street operations" & nothing more. He wanted to be more, thus the perfect sucker.

[LoneNutter1]

Frazier testified that he didn't pay close attention to the package LHO brought with him into the TSBD. But keep in mind that LHO lied to Frazier about the contents of the package. The police never found any curtain rods at the TSBD, Ruth Paine never had a conversation with LHO about curtain rods, the paper that carried the "curtain rods" and the tape that sealed the package matched the paper and tape from the TSBD. Oswald lied on many occasions but the CT'ers seem to ignore this fact.

[bluenail90]

Love the music.

[rdc499]

what's the lenth of a broken down Mauser?

[sgtredbluered]

@rdc499 ... you mean the Mannlicher Carcano, don't ya'? ;)

[Tomaji69]

@rdc499 Both guns were up there. In fact, I saw somewhere that several employees saw a rifle the day before or something....anyone know about that? Roger Craig went on talk shows telling America about the Mauser....he KNEW he wasn't "mistaken" when he was 2 feet from it and read MAUSER right on the barrel. They killed HIM too, just like DeMourensheldt (sp)...he was Oswald's baby sitter in Dallas. Ruth Paine is suspicious to me too....just "happens" to get him a job at TSBD? Yeah, right

[graciemaemarie11]

i hate to say this but: why would oswald need curtain rods? he was living in a boarding house... next, were 'curtain rods' ever found? and if he didnt shoot at kennedy, why was he sitting around, drinking a 'coke' in the lunchroom? wasn't he politically active? so, here the leader of the western world, comes right by your doorstep, and your going to just hang around, drink a soda pop,in the lunchroom?

[ahidel]

what happened to the curtain rods?

[39tommyboy]

one thing for sure is. i would love to have that old car he was driving. my brother in law who worked for the gov wrote me one time saying that he found the old cars we thought had been crushed in the salvage yards all these years. they had been hauled over seas to saudia arabia and iraq and other countries. he wrote me saying they may hate us but they love our old cars. lol

[39tommyboy]

all this goes back to the secret service failed to do their jobs. no man that day should have been able to carry any package in any building resembling a gun. no windows opened or anything. ok bottom line question. why did the secret service fail to do their basic jobs that day?? and why wasnt they questioned and convicted of not doing their jobs?? all them that day should have went to prison. thats what they are payed for. and people was hanging out the windows like monkeys. basic rules gone

[genericgeorge]

@39tommyboy absolutely they have at least all been sacked

[Scottthefish]

there is no doubt he carried a rifle up there. the odds he innocently went home to get a parcel of 'curtain rods' and brought them to work the day shots are fired from his place of employment are impossible.

[lrj1119]

OSWALD WAS THE SHOOTER...period. That does not mean that he wasn't part of a conspiracy...I believe that he was. But he was the shooter. How much more evidence do you need? And please don't give me this crap about the DPD being involved and planting evidence etc...there were too many witnesses, including media who saw them find the rifle, etc.

[TheRealAlekHidell]

I'm still angry @ Buell Wesley Frazier's sister. She was supposed to pick me up @ my rooming house & take me to David Ferrie's getaway plane. Instead she sent Tippit & he tried to arrest me with fame & fortune on his mind. Clay was a good man though.. he tried to get me some legal assistance bit then Jada manipulated ruby to come and take me out. Jack was very jealous over what jada and i had. We weren't BFF's anymore and he was hurt by it. Demohrenschildt was my new BF but called me hillbilly

[wilmoer]

@TheRealAlekHidell That's hilarious! Thanks for putting all these silly conspiracies into perspective.

[tcmax4life]

My question to you people is if it wasnt Oswald ,then who was it? Please let me know if you know.

[grettoz]

@tcmax4life

it was oswald...

[nordique59]

and the curtain rods where found..... where???

[n0gar]

I just took pics of the house and the Paine house today! After coming to Dallas, it is even more clear to me that Oswald was set up!

[elmolewis1]

@n0gar What was it about the house that makes you think he was set-up?

[n0gar]

@elmolewis1: These homes were so close to each other. Close enough to keep an eye on Oswald. Everything pertaining to the crime just happened to be right next to each other and people who supposedly had nothing to do with it had things or was near the crime scene or suspect...

[jimjam69]

damn i wish camcorders were available back then.

[jlc137]

Why would you need to charge your battery after a lengthy drive?

[ghahandi]

spinner the spammer~ More than one shooter. CIA involved. (Bush 1 ?) research it. you may be surprised at what you find. Try Wes Tarpley;s web site. TARPLEY . NET. His excellent & well researched : "The Unauthorized Biography of GHW Bush" It's free at Tarpley's site. Oswald was a patsy.

[Apoic123]

frazier looks like a lee harvey oswald lookalike lol!

[spinners123]

It was a pakage he was to hide there for the sniper he could have left it the day before he was given this item for 2 reasons a witness to the package and delivery of package to whoever at depository even if it wasnt a gun it is known he was on the 2nd floor or 3rd when police and manager an up the stairs to the presumed nest !

[spinners123]

It was a pakage he was to hide there for the sniper he could have left it the day before he was given this item for 2 reasons a witness to the package and delivery of package to whoever at depository even if it wasnt a gun it is known he was on the 2nd floor or 3rd when police and manager an up the stairs to the presumed nest !

[spinners123]

It was a pakage he was to hide there for the sniper he could have left it the day before he was given this item for 2 reasons a witness to the package and delivery of package to whoever at depository even if it wasnt a gun it is known he was on the 2nd floor or 3rd when police and manager an up the stairs to the presumed nest !

[spinners123]

It was a pakage he was to hide there for the sniper he could have left it the day before he was given this item for 2 reasons a witness to the package and delivery of package to whoever at depository even if it wasnt a gun it is known he was on the 2nd floor or 3rd when police and manager an up the stairs to the presumed nest !

[spinners123]

It was a pakage he was to hide there for the sniper he could have left it the day before he was given this item for 2 reasons a witness to the package and delivery of package to whoever at depository even if it wasnt a gun it is known he was on the 2nd floor or 3rd when police and manager an up the stairs to the presumed nest !

[spinners123]

It was a pakage he was to hide there for the sniper he could have left it the day before he was given this item for 2 reasons a witness to the package and delivery of package to whoever at depository even if it wasnt a gun it is known he was on the 2nd floor or 3rd when police and manager an up the stairs to the presumed nest !

[KennedyX100]

Oswalds Palm and finger prints were not found on Nov 22,1963 they were found after the FBI took prints from Oswald after his death. The gun was sent to the FBI thats the only time prints were found no prints found according to the Dallas police files online only when in the FBI had the gun so a little more covering up by Hover. And Hosty one of the bigest pices of crap that was ever employed by the FBI.

[starmanskye]

2 things in this vid prove Oswald was NOT a commie.

1. NO commie drinks instant coffee, ESPECIALLY not for breakfast.

2. Oswald managed to hold & tuck a dissasembled Mannlicher carbine 30" long in the 24" between his cupped palm & underarm. Commies can make things longer & bigger, but NOT shorter & smaller.

Seriously: Way too much official witness intimidation & evidence tampering. If Oswald was so obviously guilty, WHY did FBI, Dallas Police & CIA repeatedly lie, suborn perjury & cheat?

[jellyadult]

those curtain rods might of been a rifle ... but i dont think oswald fired it ,, he might of been in on the assassination or been ordered to let the assassin use his weapon ,, either way i think oswald realised pretty quickly he was gona be the patsy that s why he fled i think , he knew they was gona be lookin for him as a suspect ... what must he of been thinking oh i know where can i hide .....somewhere dark where they carnt see me ...... the cinema

[rusito007]

My guess: Oswald was participating in some dirty spy games, he knew something going to happen that day, but probably just some fake attempt on the president. He may be did bring something in the building, or build the nest, but at the time of shooting he was at cafeteria. And after hearing about death of Kennedy he just panicked. And he was supposed to meet with somebody at cinema and was there already when policeman was killed.

[ghahandi]

@rusito007 That is a good hypothesus. He was, in my opinion, set up to take the blame. When you research it, you learn that Kennedy was "steered" to Dallas. It was not on his itenery. Was LBJ in on the plan? Likely. A lot of people wanted him dead. Allen Dulles was the head of the CIA until JFK fired him. Dulles was a shitheel. Both Dulles's were shitheels.

[jellyadult]

facts are: motorcade was running ten mins late oswald wud of been up in the snipers nest waiting he wudnt of known it was running late. think about it , he had to get the weapon all set up and ready and sit there and hope no one disturbed him . dont think so,

[Baldgol4]

No curtain rods were ever found, only the rifle with Oswalds palm and finger prints. Why did Oswald flee, shoot a police officer and hide in a movie theater if he did not kill the President? He just decided to take the afternoon off and not tell anyone? He was 100% guilty of two murders on November 22nd.

[blazed24sevn]

you obviously have no idea what your talking about... do research before you make a retarded statement. Oswalds palm was not found on the rifle untill AFTER he was dead, when the FBI was seen with his dead body taking finger prints.... theres no way he shot the president or JD Tippit.

[Baldgol4]

So Mr. Oswald, an employee of the Texas School Book Depository simply decided to take in a movie that afternoon? Oh, Elvis is alive on an island and we never landed on the moon either.

[blazed24sevn]

wow you are a retard. Oswald obviosuly knew somthing was wrong, maybe even that he was being framed. The offical story of the WC sounds more like stories of elvis being alive. Why dont you look at actual EVIDENCE and real files before you make yourself sound like a fuckin moron... little too late for that.

[blazed24sevn]

Oswald gets the job at the TSBD a month before the assassination. The motorcade route wasnt published in the paper till the week before... so either Oswald has the best luck in the world, or he just happens to go, why dont i shoot the president this morning. Very logical. Whoever killed JFK planned it for some time. For Secret Service to pretty much break every rule in the book???? cmon, only a fuckin retard would believe the shit you do.

[proferic]

@blazed24sevn It's not like there were WITNESSES to the Tippit shooting.

[grettoz]

@blazed24sevn

his prints were taken in custody while he was alive... fact

[Tomaji69]

@blazed24sevn - This stuff about the rifle is evidence of this: Oswald was an undercover intel agent doing his job - so he DID put the rifle into place, just as instructed by his (intel) handlers. He was probably told "Don't worry, just stay out of the way & we'll bust those bastards red-handed". So, Oswald was waiting in the break room to hear that men were arrested upstairs for attempting to shoot the President. He went into panic once he heard the news, knowing he was set up!!

[blazed24sevn]

also, LHO must know voodoo or magic if he was the one that shot the president... to be able to fit a rifle inside a 2 foot long package is fuckin incredible... along with everything else he was "accoused" of doing. then we got retards like you who believe this fuckin nonsense.

[proferic]

@blazed24sevn It was Oswald all by his loney that blowed away JFK.

[goldengirl67]

Did he ever hang those "curtain rods" in his apt? Were they ever found?

[grimdimly]

While LHO was on the 2nd floor with his coke he was thinking to himself "TGIF". Then the CIA, the FBI, and the DPD went and ruined his whole weekend. Especially his Sunday.

[Toneytc]

He or his sister's estimated length of the package are of negligible significance compared with...

1. Oswald normally went home on Fri evening, but the day before the assassin. he changes to Thurs.

2. He did bring in a package he claimed contained curtain rods. No such rods were found.

3. HIS rifle WAS found in the TSBD, which was missing from the Paine house, where his wife told police on Nov 22 that it was kept.

4.HIS rifle was forensically determined to have fired at the motorcade.

[themeaningoflife38]

the rifle found on the 6th floor was a 7.65 MAUSER as stated in the sworn affidavit found on the city of Dallas website.

[sethmanrockandroll]

Why would Oswald bring curtain rods to work? I'm not saying he shot kennedy, but its still a little suspicious if he's using them for his house and bringing them to work.

[Obelisk2290]

CT will never accept the truth

[robertmastroianni]

Who is CT?

[Obelisk2290]

conspiracy theorists

[robertmastroianni]

Then what is the truth?

[Obelisk2290]

LHO all by himself

[grimdimly]

hey Obelisk if you seriously believe that LHO shot JFK from the TSBD and you believe the entire WCR, how do you explain the findings of the HSCA? You must respond in with at least 6 acronyms.

[Obelisk2290]

both found LHO acted alone and the "acoustic evidence" presented was false. The recording was proved to be crosstalk recoorded one minute after the assassination where you can her police chief bill decker order his men to the hospital they were taking JFK

[grimdimly]

Sorry 2 acronyms only. I win.

[grimdimly]

Actually based on the "proven false" acoustic evidence the House Select Committee on Assassinations found evidence of a PROBABLE CONSPIRACY in the high noon killing of JFK.

[grimdimly]

Like every other piece of contradictory evidence that was handed over to official government agencies the acoustic evidence comes back as unreliable. BIG SURPRISE. There is so much evidence of tampering in this crime It boggles the mind any rational person would still believe the official li(n)e.

[Mobilecheese]

In my view the key to understanding the JFK assassination and how it worked lies in the

Oswald Doubles that were seen before and after the assassination. 1/Was the 'Oswald' who shot Tippit a double? 2/ Was the 'Oswald' seen by Roger Craig a double?

3/ Was the 'Oswald' seen by his former landlady on the bus a double? The presence of an Oswald double at the Tippit murder scene helps us understand what was happening.

If we factor in the Oswald doubles then it all starts to make sense etc.

[themeaningoflife38]

Every witness to the Tippit murder said it was NOT Oswald and there were 2 men at the scene.One witness was shot in the head but survived and then agreed that it was Oswald.Another witness was threatened by an unidentified "agent" who told her not to talk or she might get hurt.

[Mobilecheese]

For full details of Ralph Yates' Oswald/Oswald lookalike encounter read James Douglass' book "JFK and the Unspeakable. Why he died and why it matters". Douglass gives other examples of instances where Oswald lookalikes turned up BEFORE and AFTER the real Oswald was in custody. Could it be that the Oswald Wesley Buell Frazier gave a lift to on Nov 22 1963 was NOT the real Oswald but a LOOKALIKE designed to incriminate the real Oswald who was somewhere else that morning?How sure is Buell?

[migo53333]

youve really got to be kidding me...are you a fucking moron ????

[Mobilecheese]

migo53333!

Why the fuck would I try to kid

a fuck knuckle like you?

You fucked in the mouth cocksucker!

Take a fucking hike!

You shit for brains asshole!

[Mobilecheese]

Ralph Yates never deviated from his story about giving a lift to an Oswald lookalike

on WEDNESDAY 20 1963.Ralph's wife believed what he said was true but the FBI couldn't allow Ralph's testimony to stand.

Why? How do we explain this strange incident

of either Oswald or maybe someone bearing a striking ressemblance to him carrying curtain rods and asking strange questions about assassinating the President TWO days before the assassination actually happened?

[Mobilecheese]

Yates dropped the hitchhiker off at the traffic lights on Houston and Elm and last saw the man walking with the package under his arm towards and maybe into the TSBD.

Yates later said if the man was NOT Lee Harvey Oswald then he was most certainly his double.All this happened TWO days before the President's visit on the Fri 22 Nov 1963. The FBI refused to believe Yates' story and he was to a mental institution. Ralph died in 1975 and never rcovered from what was done to him by the FBI.

[Mobilecheese]

The hitchhiker then pulled out a photo of a man with a rifle and asked Yates if he thought someone could shoot the President with a rifle like the one the man in the photo was holding.Yates was driving and did not look at the photo but simply said: "I guess so." The hitchhiker then asked Yates if he knew the route the President would take and if it had been changed. Yates replied maybe for security reasons.

[Mobilecheese]

Ralph Leon Yates a refrigeratiion mechanic in Dallas gave a lift on Wednesday 20 November 1963 to a person bearing a strong ressemblance to L.H.Oswald.The hitchhiker got into Yates' station wagon and was carrying a package wrapped in brown wrapping paper about 4' to 4 1/2' long.He told Yates the package had curtain rods in it.He also asked Yates if he thought an assassin could shoot JFK with a rifle.Yates replied yes if he was a good shot and had a shot from a high building.

[susiedent]

Fantastic, rare 1964(?) footage of Frazier.

Neither he nor Linnie Mae have ever departed from their description of the package length.

The Warren Commission had Frazier physically demonstate how it was impossible that the package could have been the disassembled rifle using ce 139 itself.

However - this was all ignored, like everything else which detracted from their pre-ordained conclusion.

[Tomaji69]

@susiedent This stuff about the rifle is evidence of this: Oswald was an undercover intel agent doing his job - so he DID put the rifle into place, just as instructed by his (intel) handlers. He was probably told "Don't worry, just stay out of the way & we'll bust those bastards red-handed". So, Oswald was waiting in the break room to hear that men were arrested upstairs for attempting to shoot the President. He went into panic once he heard the news, knowing he was set up!!