arberor not arvanite.arvanite is the greek word equivalent for arberor.when the land was called arberia in its full territory.that is the true country.
you sir have no fucking clue what you are.you have no aspect of arberor/arvanit identity on you so how can you pretend and have the audacity to call yourself one.and no "albanians" arent calling nothing but brother so shut the fuck up.go ask your ancestors or someone who speaks the gljuha the language.someone who knows more about the history and culture than you because you know dirt.then come talk here.unless you are fake account who tries to start bullshit.
i understand everything perfectly mate but i think you got it twisted.
exactly you should take your own advice not anti-albanian/arvanite propaganda done in greece for political purpose.(watch my video anastas kulurioti).
yes i dont believe it.you are not.if you were you could speak the language and we wouldnt need to speak in english because guess what??? it is my language too.
i dont have an albanian prespective if that even makes sense.arberors/arvanites are one people by blood culture language mentality everything whether you like it or not and whether that damages your "greek" identity.
i never called you albanian did i???
study your own roots because you are feeding your ego and mind with lies to make you feel better that you have no arvanite/arberor identity whatsoever.
Dont link me to the Albanian state by calling me Albanian.
And yes you have called Arvanites Albanians in previous posts, thereby you claim me to be an Albanian.
I AM NOT TAKING ANY SIDES. Dont try to put me in one without knowing were i stand.
Balkan history is so infected by propaganda, that it is probably impossible to get a clear picture. And yet you are so certain that you are right?? How righteous...
You also presume that i haven't studied my roots just because we have a difference of opinion. Anyone who doesn't support your theory is wrong, right?? Now there is a clear sign of a propagandized mind. Especially when there are loads of other theories around the subject.
I dont get it, we left Arvana before it was called Albania therefore we cannot be called Albanians, whats so hard to understand??
Regardless how inaccurate it is, i wouldn't have cared if someone called me an Albanian, if it made them happy. However there is an political imperialist agenda attached to these claims and THAT I will not accept.
I replied to your post because you seemed smarter than all the other imbecilic nationalists (both Greek and Albanian) who dream of glory days, i hope i wasn't wrong...
arvana? this place never exists the place is arberia.and i agree i dont call you albanian but arberor if you are one.
there is no political propaganda mate.these are regular people who have traveled (many to greece) and who call you brother.if this is offensive then have a good day no one cares.
you arent wrong.i am passionate and proud of my ancestors and i will always be no matter who supports or objects me.politics for me is cancer for the soul i left it a long time ago.
i try to find the truth to thew past and the history of my people.not blaming anyone but it is my jurney if you are offended by it by all means dont respond.
you should study harder then.
i support all sides but not ones feed by evil propaganda for greedy people to suit their own needs and riches.
like for example hellenizing arvanites.if you say this isnt true then there is no need to continue because we will never agree.
Violent and non violent assimilation of arvanites was applied by the west-driven governments in Greece. Unsuccessfully until recent times though.
Arvanites kept their way of life more or less because they were a fighting force not to fuck with.
This was a plan to homogenize all Greek populations, to create a "manageable" entity. Just like what is going on with Europeans right now. Neo-Hellenic governments have been atrocious with matters like this.
However, calling it an Hellenization would be eniologicaly incorrect, they were so to speak "westernized" or neo-hellenized and so were the rest of the Greeks and we still are.
Arvana is what my grandmother called probably what you call arberia. I don't know why
Dont say that Albania as a state wont try to take advantage of the fact we are all Illyrians... They are definately hatching a "big albania" plan, just like the Greeks had the "Megali idea".
Otherwise there wouldn't be so much propaganda circling around.
Borderlines in the Balkans sit as loose as ropes, and when the next massive conflict comes issues like this one tend to provide reason for people to kill each other, just so that whichever state gains a few more meters of land.
I just have a gut-feeling that arvanites will get caught in the middle of a shitstorm, with assholes on both sides.
In regards to if arvanites are hellenistic, i am pretty sure they were. I cant imagine that the two civilizations never had transaction of ideas. It couldnt have been otherwise. Hellenism is not specific to Hellenes.
An identity and a mindset are two different things. And i cant imagine that two civilizations just happened spring out of basically the same place without any interaction.
I see no conflict in this, i might even say unity.
but in albania there was never anti-greek propaganda or anti anyone.some people dont believe it but it is the truth.regular people like you and me are frustrated with being kept down in the mud though.
i agree and i do not wish to see that.
we say gjaku nuk ka kufi.means blood doesnt have borders so i rather leave political and blood issues separate.but if it was me i could not fight another arberor in the name of a country or idea.
Well if you ask the older people from the village i come from they would tell you, which of the villages in their area were bilingual, which were just arvanitic and which were occupied by Greeks pretending to be arvanites and so on. This is not the case anymore, my generation and later have been "playstationized", we are completely clueless about what is going on, kids don't even read the propaganda they are taught in schools, how are they gonna learn some actual history??
My generation hasn't learned arvanitika, not because of Greek policy to wipe out the language, but because they were to lazy to do it. There were plenty of chances.
This is going on in many European states right now.
In Sweden, for example, people have almost completely forgotten their folk-music. It is not listened to anymore.
yep like i say earlier we are our own worst enemies.
that is why we say kill traitors first then enemies.
that is why i wount fight another arvanit.i love our history but it has many flaws so i decide to take the best and learn the lesson with the worse.we have to be smarter about things in this modern day.
i would like many good things for arvanites/arberors everywhere not just in greece but italy and arberia wherever but i am afraid it is hard war to fight.hope you know what i am trying to say
i mean look at some albanian emigrants today in greece.all of them have to have a greek name and some children say i am greek because they parents tought them this way for them not to be treated like crap(for lack of a better word).
i think there are many factors why people forgot the language.integration is a big one.people sometime just want to fit in.
why are greeks treating arvanites like enemies and being sneaky.
the language and culture should not be assimilated but respected for what it is.if that was done in any shape form or anything at all i guarantee you things would be different between the greek and albanian people.but politics and these kind of stances only make enemies.
kids are kids they will learn what they are tought.but imagine this kind of lessons over generations.
i never linked you nor is there an albanian policy.
i call all arvanites arberors or arbereshi in italy or arnavuts in turkey or dardans(kosovars) sometimes interchangebly with the word albanian to me it is a sign of unity i do not use it to label anyone for the worse.just to say we are brothers.
from your posts you make a stand so from there on i spoke.
yes it is and arberors have been the victim of many of that propaganda and assimilation.right/? there is no right or wrong but truth and lies.
you might feel it is personal but it is far more strategical than you might even want to think.regardless this fault can not be blamed on your generation because you never knew it in the first place.
no what defines and arberor/arvanite are many aspects not the language only.but it certainlyan aspect.
citizen of the balkans??? yeah ok.
you might be hellenistic as you say in mindset but arberors/arvanites are not hellene or hellenistic in mindset we have our own identity.
Arvanites are the Albanians that came to Greek mainland in 1200 A.D..... so Epirot albanians didn't immigrate from anywhere to Epirus , because of the fact that Epirots=Albanians...
So if u are From Epirus Bythmuti you are a Shqiptar not an Arvanitas...
nuk pi shaj turqit po pom vjen inati prej atrye ne youtube qe pe ndan.... sdomos do video qe pi shikopj and pi lexioj se cka po shkrun per shqiptaret...
Hajde CAMERIA! ARVANITI wake up and remember the sons of whom you are! I think you let enough the GAYREEKS to rule you in an unacceptable and dirty way! You are the sons of EAGLE and the sons of BOCARI, ZAVELA and ALI PASHA! I dont think you like to be called FAGS! OR?
real arvanites are proud vllai im sjane grek jane arberor puro.dont ever listen to what propaganda our enemies say is all bullshit to divide us.jemi nji gjak nji fare
today yes but at one time arvanites just mean arberor that was our name.we still call ourselve that.arvanite is how greeks said it turks said arnaut and ital;ians said arbereshi
bravo re arvaniti qe se ke haruar gjuhen e te pareve te tu
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dandyflicker 2 years ago
arvanites and albanians come from the same people. illyrians.
arvanites, left the the territory that is now known as albania, before it was even called albania and therefore cannot be called albanians.
We are arvanites. Period
dandyflicker 2 years ago
arberor not arvanite.arvanite is the greek word equivalent for arberor.when the land was called arberia in its full territory.that is the true country.
bylysi 2 years ago
that is what Albanians call us not what we call ourselves. we call ourselves arvanit, arvanitis.
Either way we are not Albanians
dandyflicker 2 years ago
you sir have no fucking clue what you are.you have no aspect of arberor/arvanit identity on you so how can you pretend and have the audacity to call yourself one.and no "albanians" arent calling nothing but brother so shut the fuck up.go ask your ancestors or someone who speaks the gljuha the language.someone who knows more about the history and culture than you because you know dirt.then come talk here.unless you are fake account who tries to start bullshit.
ik qiu
bylysi 2 years ago
nothing fake here.
Albanian history according to you, must be completely detached from logic. What is it that i say, that you don't understand?
Follow logic not propaganda
If you dont believe that i am arvanitis i cant help it.
But i still am one. AND I LOVE IT.
It is YOU who has a "Albanian" perspective on arvanites. It YOU who has the agenda.
I wouldn't have any problem being called Albanian if was one, but i am not.
And hey, swear some more, i am sure it helps the lie you feed yourself
dandyflicker 2 years ago
no logic is what makes its foundation.
i understand everything perfectly mate but i think you got it twisted.
exactly you should take your own advice not anti-albanian/arvanite propaganda done in greece for political purpose.(watch my video anastas kulurioti).
yes i dont believe it.you are not.if you were you could speak the language and we wouldnt need to speak in english because guess what??? it is my language too.
bylysi 2 years ago
i dont have an albanian prespective if that even makes sense.arberors/arvanites are one people by blood culture language mentality everything whether you like it or not and whether that damages your "greek" identity.
i never called you albanian did i???
study your own roots because you are feeding your ego and mind with lies to make you feel better that you have no arvanite/arberor identity whatsoever.
bylysi 2 years ago
there are personal reasons why i don't speak the language.
and i certainly regret that my parents didn't teach me.
anyway i cant force you to believe me and i don't feel that i have to prove anything to you.
Obviously for you, what defines an arvaniti is language.
What Greek identity? Have I claimed anything?
I consider myself a citizen of the Balkans and a Hellene by the Hellenistic definition.
Anyone taking pride in the current state of Greece must be crazy.
dandyflicker 2 years ago
I also dislike Albanian policy just as much.
Dont link me to the Albanian state by calling me Albanian.
And yes you have called Arvanites Albanians in previous posts, thereby you claim me to be an Albanian.
I AM NOT TAKING ANY SIDES. Dont try to put me in one without knowing were i stand.
Balkan history is so infected by propaganda, that it is probably impossible to get a clear picture. And yet you are so certain that you are right?? How righteous...
dandyflicker 2 years ago
You also presume that i haven't studied my roots just because we have a difference of opinion. Anyone who doesn't support your theory is wrong, right?? Now there is a clear sign of a propagandized mind. Especially when there are loads of other theories around the subject.
I dont get it, we left Arvana before it was called Albania therefore we cannot be called Albanians, whats so hard to understand??
dandyflicker 2 years ago
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Regardless how inaccurate it is, i wouldn't have cared if someone called me an Albanian, if it made them happy. However there is an political imperialist agenda attached to these claims and THAT I will not accept.
I replied to your post because you seemed smarter than all the other imbecilic nationalists (both Greek and Albanian) who dream of glory days, i hope i wasn't wrong...
dandyflicker 2 years ago
arvana? this place never exists the place is arberia.and i agree i dont call you albanian but arberor if you are one.
there is no political propaganda mate.these are regular people who have traveled (many to greece) and who call you brother.if this is offensive then have a good day no one cares.
you arent wrong.i am passionate and proud of my ancestors and i will always be no matter who supports or objects me.politics for me is cancer for the soul i left it a long time ago.
bylysi 2 years ago
i try to find the truth to thew past and the history of my people.not blaming anyone but it is my jurney if you are offended by it by all means dont respond.
you should study harder then.
i support all sides but not ones feed by evil propaganda for greedy people to suit their own needs and riches.
like for example hellenizing arvanites.if you say this isnt true then there is no need to continue because we will never agree.
bylysi 2 years ago
but wrong rapresentation of my people i will not accept.
bylysi 2 years ago
Violent and non violent assimilation of arvanites was applied by the west-driven governments in Greece. Unsuccessfully until recent times though.
Arvanites kept their way of life more or less because they were a fighting force not to fuck with.
This was a plan to homogenize all Greek populations, to create a "manageable" entity. Just like what is going on with Europeans right now. Neo-Hellenic governments have been atrocious with matters like this.
dandyflicker 2 years ago
However, calling it an Hellenization would be eniologicaly incorrect, they were so to speak "westernized" or neo-hellenized and so were the rest of the Greeks and we still are.
Arvana is what my grandmother called probably what you call arberia. I don't know why
Dont say that Albania as a state wont try to take advantage of the fact we are all Illyrians... They are definately hatching a "big albania" plan, just like the Greeks had the "Megali idea".
dandyflicker 2 years ago
Otherwise there wouldn't be so much propaganda circling around.
Borderlines in the Balkans sit as loose as ropes, and when the next massive conflict comes issues like this one tend to provide reason for people to kill each other, just so that whichever state gains a few more meters of land.
I just have a gut-feeling that arvanites will get caught in the middle of a shitstorm, with assholes on both sides.
dandyflicker 2 years ago
In regards to if arvanites are hellenistic, i am pretty sure they were. I cant imagine that the two civilizations never had transaction of ideas. It couldnt have been otherwise. Hellenism is not specific to Hellenes.
An identity and a mindset are two different things. And i cant imagine that two civilizations just happened spring out of basically the same place without any interaction.
I see no conflict in this, i might even say unity.
dandyflicker 2 years ago
but in albania there was never anti-greek propaganda or anti anyone.some people dont believe it but it is the truth.regular people like you and me are frustrated with being kept down in the mud though.
i agree and i do not wish to see that.
we say gjaku nuk ka kufi.means blood doesnt have borders so i rather leave political and blood issues separate.but if it was me i could not fight another arberor in the name of a country or idea.
bylysi 2 years ago
Well if you ask the older people from the village i come from they would tell you, which of the villages in their area were bilingual, which were just arvanitic and which were occupied by Greeks pretending to be arvanites and so on. This is not the case anymore, my generation and later have been "playstationized", we are completely clueless about what is going on, kids don't even read the propaganda they are taught in schools, how are they gonna learn some actual history??
dandyflicker 2 years ago
My generation hasn't learned arvanitika, not because of Greek policy to wipe out the language, but because they were to lazy to do it. There were plenty of chances.
This is going on in many European states right now.
In Sweden, for example, people have almost completely forgotten their folk-music. It is not listened to anymore.
dandyflicker 2 years ago
At least, were i come from, this has intensified for the last 30 years. People born before that can ussually att least speak the language.
But you cant blame the neo-Hellenes for this, since they are also forgetting their language. This policy comes from elsewhere.
dandyflicker 2 years ago
If there wasnt any albanian propaganda going on until now, there certainly is now. Just check youtube for example. There never is smoke without a fire
Good for you that you wouldn't fight another arvanitis, but historically arvanites have fought each other more than once
A response? How and WHO would you respond to??
dandyflicker 2 years ago
yep like i say earlier we are our own worst enemies.
that is why we say kill traitors first then enemies.
that is why i wount fight another arvanit.i love our history but it has many flaws so i decide to take the best and learn the lesson with the worse.we have to be smarter about things in this modern day.
i would like many good things for arvanites/arberors everywhere not just in greece but italy and arberia wherever but i am afraid it is hard war to fight.hope you know what i am trying to say
bylysi 2 years ago
i blame what i see but i know where the bigger blame lies dont think i dont know.
us arberors have always been our worst enemys.
we say as long as we have each other we dont need enemies.
meaning we have arberors that fight for us and against us.
the painfull past
bylysi 2 years ago
i mean look at some albanian emigrants today in greece.all of them have to have a greek name and some children say i am greek because they parents tought them this way for them not to be treated like crap(for lack of a better word).
i think there are many factors why people forgot the language.integration is a big one.people sometime just want to fit in.
i see it all the time even in usa.
bylysi 2 years ago
this is what makes me angry right here.
why are greeks treating arvanites like enemies and being sneaky.
the language and culture should not be assimilated but respected for what it is.if that was done in any shape form or anything at all i guarantee you things would be different between the greek and albanian people.but politics and these kind of stances only make enemies.
kids are kids they will learn what they are tought.but imagine this kind of lessons over generations.
bylysi 2 years ago
define recent
exactly actions like that against us should be met with a response.
bylysi 2 years ago
i never linked you nor is there an albanian policy.
i call all arvanites arberors or arbereshi in italy or arnavuts in turkey or dardans(kosovars) sometimes interchangebly with the word albanian to me it is a sign of unity i do not use it to label anyone for the worse.just to say we are brothers.
from your posts you make a stand so from there on i spoke.
yes it is and arberors have been the victim of many of that propaganda and assimilation.right/? there is no right or wrong but truth and lies.
bylysi 2 years ago
you might feel it is personal but it is far more strategical than you might even want to think.regardless this fault can not be blamed on your generation because you never knew it in the first place.
no what defines and arberor/arvanite are many aspects not the language only.but it certainlyan aspect.
citizen of the balkans??? yeah ok.
you might be hellenistic as you say in mindset but arberors/arvanites are not hellene or hellenistic in mindset we have our own identity.
bylysi 2 years ago
Nice work bylysi
ballkan72 2 years ago
thanks brother.
bylysi 2 years ago
In fact BythmutiPilios is not even Arvanit....
Arvanites are the Albanians that came to Greek mainland in 1200 A.D..... so Epirot albanians didn't immigrate from anywhere to Epirus , because of the fact that Epirots=Albanians...
So if u are From Epirus Bythmuti you are a Shqiptar not an Arvanitas...
Axeldevil 3 years ago 4
we are all arvanites.
arvanite is the greek for arberor which makes us all arvanites.doesnt have anything to do where from.but bythemuti is just a greek fashist pet.
he gets ass raped so he says stupid things
bylysi 3 years ago
Arvanitas in Greece Language
Albanian in English Language
Shqiperi in Albanian Languge
shkoder123 3 years ago 3
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Bravo, we Arvanites fucks gegh and cams albanians. Tosk-Albanians are Greeks.
BythegourasPilios 3 years ago
hahahahaha
i am just going to leave you embaras yourself.lol
do you live in cameria???
then guess what you are cam you numbnuts.
where did your greek ass fight geg albanians???
hahaha
and tosk and geg is dialects homo not people diference.
hahahaha
holy hell man you are an idiot.
bylysi 3 years ago
And your sister is my bitch and you are the bitch of my donkey!
SHQYPTARIA 3 years ago
if they are Greece why they speak Abanian, and they live in Greece and still they call their self Albanian.
shkoder123 3 years ago
hajdeee shqiptarrr.lol
mos i sha turket e sotem se na jane bere shok jo armiq.
bylysi 3 years ago
nuk pi shaj turqit po pom vjen inati prej atrye ne youtube qe pe ndan.... sdomos do video qe pi shikopj and pi lexioj se cka po shkrun per shqiptaret...
tinabuzeqershi 3 years ago
Thank you bylys, please continue
omernishi 3 years ago
as plumbi sme ndalone dote
bylysi 3 years ago
Ti shikoje budelmonti ,pefundone ne vetevrasje ,flm bylysi e forca
NikVlora 3 years ago
haha.
ska gje vlla.
lej te pllcasin kush sna do
bylysi 3 years ago
Te lumte bylysi
Na kenaqe vertet dhe ndjenjat nuk munden te fshihen asnjehere edhe po te mundohesh ti fshehish. Zemra nuk genjen, kur ndegjon kete melodi
dukagjiniforce 3 years ago
flm vlla
bylysi 3 years ago
Teper e bukur!
Gjaku nuk genjen kurre!
Ju lumshin duart bylysi....sidomos per fotot5/5*!
TheWaveGirl 3 years ago
rrofsh moter
bylysi 3 years ago
te lumt dora vlla yll me xixa dhe flamur;);)
memelus 3 years ago
HAHAHA TE PACA VLLA
bylysi 3 years ago
ose ose sic na thoni zonjushat.
ME KENAQE BRAVO
memelus 3 years ago
gezohem ore.bera nje tjeter po jua dergoje tashi
bylysi 3 years ago
Shume Keng e Bukur me kujtohet pushimet ne Iugomenica kur po e ndegjoj kete keng.
Long live to All Albanians all over the World.
YoutuMAIL 3 years ago
te lumte goja vlla gezohem qe ju pelqen.
bylysi 3 years ago
Hajde CAMERIA! ARVANITI wake up and remember the sons of whom you are! I think you let enough the GAYREEKS to rule you in an unacceptable and dirty way! You are the sons of EAGLE and the sons of BOCARI, ZAVELA and ALI PASHA! I dont think you like to be called FAGS! OR?
magjatpa 3 years ago
haha ore vlla seshte cameria.
real arvanites are proud vllai im sjane grek jane arberor puro.dont ever listen to what propaganda our enemies say is all bullshit to divide us.jemi nji gjak nji fare
bylysi 3 years ago
te lumshin duart, me kenaqe. Foto te reja keto shume nice, si kisha pare ndonjehere. Pune e mire!
SerenataKorcare 3 years ago
aaa te paca.shikoj po si ke pare.
bylysi 3 years ago
te lumte vlla...shuuuuuume e bukur
corleoneALB 3 years ago
rrofsh vlla
bylysi 3 years ago
Te lumte vella!
vraniqaku 3 years ago
te paca vlla
bylysi 3 years ago
me pelqen stili i muzikes se Cameris pa mas ,
te lumte bylysi
flm per video te tilla
te pershndes shume(tomel hahahaha)
illyriancode 3 years ago
lere tomel ore haha.
po kjo seshte na krahina e camerise vella.
por cameria ka fantastike edhe ajo
bylysi 3 years ago
arberor=arvanites and they are albanian from greece no?
caleavictoriei 3 years ago
today yes but at one time arvanites just mean arberor that was our name.we still call ourselve that.arvanite is how greeks said it turks said arnaut and ital;ians said arbereshi
bylysi 3 years ago
aha,interesting...they say about romanians from greece they are greeks,hahaha
greeks are malacca :)))
caleavictoriei 3 years ago
the vlachs yes.of course is not true.lol
but remember brother there are good greeks and bad like everywhere.just that the bad in greece have power.
bylysi 3 years ago
my friend,i was in greece for 1 time and i dont want to go again,greece is gay !
i say it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
caleavictoriei 3 years ago
hahaha.. madheshtore bylo :)
te lumshin duart
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
flm vlla
bylysi 3 years ago
wow,beautiful photos,are from Albania right?
caleavictoriei 3 years ago
yes of course.
bylysi 3 years ago
shqiptari
fuckserbrussians4 3 years ago