It's hard to judge John Brown's methods to free the slaves unless we have actually lived during those times. The laws in the southern states no longer applied according to the constitution of the land.
I'd also like to add, why are we celebrating a day for the criminal, Columbus. Don't we owe our native americans a holiday celebration? At least!
He had good ideals but choose the wrong methods. He was a major cause of the civil war. The South was shocked and appalled by his acclaim in the North.
Osama bin Laden is a floatin in the sea Osama bin Laden is a floatin in the sea Osama bin Laden is a floatin in the sea, His soul is burning in hell Osama bin Laden lived to spread tyranny Osama bin Laden lived to spread tyranny Osama bin Laden lived to spread tyranny And now he is in hell The demons in hell are shoving hot coals up his ass The demons in hell are shoving hot coals up his ass The demons in hell are shoving hot coals up his ass Osama bin Laden went straight to hell
@BethlehemFilms17 George doubleyou Bush was a drunken President, George doubleyou Bush was a drunken President, George doubleyou Bush was a drunken President, we should kill him as a war criminal...
This is exactly what it sounds like on the start of a cartoon coming out of the intro straight into a civil war scene. I can picture tom and jerry for some reason.
The South attacked the North to enslave the working class.
It was their official policy and they already started to return the blacks to liberia BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR!!!
Their economy was the same as the Romans and the Muslims, a class of parasites fed by slaves worked to death! When Romans, muslims and southrons lost their slaves, they collapsed!!!
I strongly admire the principles that John Brown stood for, but certainly not the ways he went about fighting for them. Brutally slaughtering five "alleged" proslavery men on Pottawatomie Creek right in front of their families' eyes isn't what I would exactly call heroism.
@MrTuesday93 what you call terrorism others call freedom fighting. Look closely at what the united states did to break about from the brits, was that was terrorism?
@MrTuesday93 So, when a government intervenes on behalf of an oppressed people, it's humanitarian intervention, but when a militia does it, it's terrorism?
When he was a demon rat, he was all for slavery and the Ku Klux Klan...WATCH HIS MOVIES!!!
Then he was hit by common sense and dumped the democrats, went republican and is now regarded as our best President ever!!!FREEDOM VERSUS SLAVERY...CAPITALISM VERSUS SOCIALISM...
Sherman should have killed them all!!Oh! Wait! HE DID!!!
@hotspur666 I think you've forgotten that slavery was a capitalist institution. America during the time of slavery was a capitalist country.
Also, when Reagan was a democrat, the Democrats were the southern, psuedo-populist, state's rights party. Now the GOP is that party. They switched placed in the 60s when the Democrats, after coming off of the populist New Deal, got influenced by the New Left and neo-progressives, and the GOP pursued the Southern Strategy and won the south.
Read George Fitzhugh, the leading advocate of slavery in the antebellum south. He based his defense of slavery exclusively on Karl Marx's writing. Slavery was not a capitalist institution because net debt on an estate is not hereditary. Indentured servitude is capitalist. Slavery is not.
@MegaAstrodude Yes, the misinformed ranting of one racist antebellum social theorist means that slavery, a property institution of servitude for private gain, was not capitalist. Even though it was based in ownership of the means of production and ownership of the laborer and their products, by a wealthy ownership class, and even though it provided the materials for industrial capitalism, it was somehow un-capitalist.
Also, note that Marx and his contemporaries condemned slavery. Many times.
Marx condemned the term 'slavery' but he favored functional slavery. He argued for a society where a "dictatorship of the proletariat' and his politburo enslaved everyone else.
@MegaAstrodude When Marx said 'dictatorship of the proletariat', he meant the proletariat as a class- in a socialist society, with the abolition of the capitalist class, that effectively means the rule of the great majority, the working class. In other words, a democratic society. He was adamant that the liberation of proletariat must be an act of the proletariat. The entire idea of an organization 'directing' the proles as a worker's vanguard party came from Lenin, not Marx.
As Engels clarified in his critique of the Social Democrat's Erfurt Program:
"One thing that is absolutely certain is that our party and the working class cannot achieve rule except under the form of the democratic republic. This latter is even the specific form of the dictatorship of the proletariat, as the Great French Revolution(actually meaning the Paris Commune of 1871)already showed. "
@religiofob Jewish people also ruled the Confederacy. The Sec. of the Treasury was Judah Benjamin, and 50,000 Jewish men fought for the South. The wealthiest slave holders and cotton traders in Natchez were Jewish.
Of course, muslims "historians" also say that all the Spanish where actually Jewish slavers, that most slaves where traded by "Khazar" Jews,...etc...etc...GO BACK TO YOUR MEIN KAMPF AND KORAN, YOU NAZI ASSHOLE!!!
Bullshit. The Confederates were intelligent anglo-saxon protestants, not stupid blacks. Maybe they didn't know modern economy but they understood necessity of learning. Economic exploitation? LOL! Many of european countries had colonies.
Sorry for my english, I'm not American but I love USA and I'm proud of White America successes!!!!
@religiofob Well, I don't know about hotspur, but I can attest that I like 'niggers'. 'Niggers' are my friends and neighbors. A 'nigger' is about to be my inlaw. I've got plenty of room in my life for 'niggers'. Not a lot for bigots, though.
OMG, you're so happy than niggers are your friends :) Until the moment they will kick your a**s! Me, I prefere life without niggers and other non-whites...
All in all-A DAMN GOOD MAN!!!! the only differences between a genius and an insane man are: the former knows hes insane and a cause to support through it all!
John Brown was a Right wing Christian Republican please people open your eyes the hippies did not take the million man march ministers and Pastors did and martin Luther king jr. was a republican minister. Also the civil rights bill was written by republicans. Wake the fuck up and leave me the fuck alone.
@CLPUSA2009 The GOP and the Democrats were very different parties before the 1960s. The Democrats started off as a populist, southern, state's rights party, while the Republicans started as free soiler party, supportive of industrialization, and popular in the North. However, in the Great Depression, the Democrats carried on the progressive tradition with the populist New Deal. The Democrats became influenced by the New Left in the 60s, prompting the GOP to pursue the Southern Strategy. Read up.
I remember how surprised I was some 20 yrs ago when I first heard a southerner say that the Civil War was about states' rights. I had no idea that a different version of history was taught there. Anyhow, it is pretty easy to understand why they do so. It is hard for people anywhere to accept that their families were wrong and did immoral things, especially when others point out those faults. But, we all have ancestors that did bad things. Most of us just don't know about it though.
Yes, John Browns was like a Christ to the U.S. and technically started the uprising which started the Civil War! Even though he failed in his revolt against slavery and the ending of it, all in all his actions started the Civil War and ended slavery
@BAMF5550123 That uprising didn't start the war. Secession, driven by the economic interests of a slaveholding gentry, and the firing on Fort Sumpter started the war.
@BAMF5550123 Well, Lincoln probably still would have been elected, still would have been an abolitionist, and even without the extra scare from JB, the south probably would have seceded.
@CrawdaddyJoe Agreed, but John Brown was like the spark that lit a massive wildfire and without him no one could tell when the war would have started.
Jon Brown truly Believed that god had spoken to him so he can stop slavery. He tried to gather as many slaves as he could and invade a arsenal. When they caught him they brought him to they court house and said to him self that he thought what a nice place, I wish i could spend more time he before I get hung. The death of John Brown made the North furious but the south somehow felt threatened.
Very true, the death of John Brown probably angered many people within the North. Many well known individuals were in favor of John Brown's uprising. It was this support of well known individuals that made the South basically say "I told you so." The South was always afraid of a slave revolt/uprising like what happened in Haiti and in several South American countries. This is the reason why it was illegal to teach slaves in the South to read and write.
the civil war was fought over states rights TO KEEP SLAVES and whether or not to EXTEND SLAVERY to newly "created" western territories. yes, obviously there were other disagreements between the north and the south, but those were the most prominent. these facts are glossed over in the modern US in order to downplay race/ism.
and gubgub, the word you're looking for is "gyped" and its actually a racial slur against "gypsies" (who are actually called Romani, btw) and it is exceedingly offensive.
Ja ich lebe in deutschland und ich kenne den geschichtlichen bezug. Über geschichte bauchst du mir nichts erzählen.Aber gerade deswegen is es net gut,weil die deutsch dann weider den stempel "nazi" auf die stirn kriegen
Juden sind ausgebildet und nicht dumm! Aber was die Immigranten aus Afrika und Asien? Bist du einverstanden mit Einkommen von Tuerken in Deutschland? Europa wird zerstoert!!!!
Ehm kann es sein,dass du keine arbeit hast? weil so denkt nämlich der großteil der keine arbeit hat und dann den anderen die shculd dafür gibt,nur weil solche den ARSCH nicht hochkriegen! Du bist schon son kleiner rassist
Ja was denn, lebst du immer noch vor 70 Jahren? Und was soll das heissen, Europa hat zuviele Ausländer? Weisst du, wir alle sind in 200 Ländern Ausländer...
John Brown is a hero to his country and humanity. He truly held the right views and was willing to fight violent tyrants to defend those views and beliefs.
@alizee2010 But realistically, wasn't he the violent tyrant? He murdered 12 innocent people who held different views than him. He is revered as some by a hero, but although what he stood for was correct, his means really were not.
Kill all the fucking politically correct assholes who gush and worship government troops, and excuse both their deliberate murders and their unavoidable killings, but who refuse to give the same honor to civilians (like John Brown) who fight and kill for a just cause such as ending slavery. The North should have let the South secede, then nuked them (well, you know what I mean) and rooted out all the bigots in the North, too.
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John Brown was an insane guy who somehow got it right....well sorta. I was shocked when I found out John Brown and his followers KILLED A FREED SLAVE. What the fuck? John Brown was an asshole, im glad they hung that hypocritical fucker
@boscogump He wasn't hypocritical, one of Brown's followers shot and killed a free black cos it was 1 in the morning and they couldn't see that far, they just saw some people still running after they ordered them to stop
glad to see that brown knew the difference beyween what s wrong and what s right...we are in 2009 and some people dont have any idea of whats right. god bless you brown and rest in peace. you are a christian. and a real one.
I've heard that this was the Confederate version of the Battle Hymn of the Republic. That may be wrong. Even if it is, that doesn't change the fact that the Civil War was not fought over slavery. Lincoln stated that if he could preserve the Union without freeing a single slave, he would do so gladly. To say that the Civil War was fought over slavery is the same as saying that WW2 was fought over the Holocaust.
I said that that information might have been false. The Confederates didn't really fight for slavery though. The majority of them were poor whites. There were some Native Americans, Jews, Mexicans and Free Blacks who fought in the grey uniform. As I've said, to say that the Civil War was fought over slavery is the same as saying that WW2 was fought over the Holocaust.
The Union and the Confederacy had different names for the same songs and battles. For example, the Battle of Antietam was the Union's name for the battle. The Confederate name for the same battle was the Battle of Sharpsburg.
P.S.: Have you noticed that someone is marking our comments as negative?
John Brown was an American abolitionist he killed people who were for slavery and was tried for treason by the state of Virginia and they hanged him. At his funeral his supporters sang the song John Browns Body; Because he was a devout Christian and the first known right wing extremist he was known as a hero amongst the Union army PLEASE READ HISTORY BEFORE COMMENTING ON SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!
@CLPUSA2009, I think it's a bit far to say he was a right-wing extremist. I mean, Malcolm X greatly admired the man, even saying he would allow him in the Organization of Afro-American Unity. Also, I think the song was based on another John Brown, a Union Sargent.
@CLPUSA2009 John Brown killed the pro-slavery guys, five of them I think, with broadsword (hacked and stabbed them). He did it as payback for the sacking of the abolitionist town of Lawrence where the pro-slavery guys had burned a Newspaper, a Hotel and something else.
You know history, what do you say about "bleeding Kansas"? Was John Brown the first to use force?
@CLPUSA2009 lol, what have you been reading? John Brown did many things in his life. He believed, which I do not disagree with, that slavery was an absolute evil and must be destroyed at all cost. But, he was crazy. He killed innocent people and he was one of the many sparks that set off the American Civil War. During his slave uprising at Harpers Ferry, the first person that was killed was a free slave that was guarding the weapons. His very actions separated average citizens in the U.S.
@CLPUSA2009 lol, what have you been reading? John Brown did many things in his life. He believed, which I do not disagree with, that slavery was an absolute evil and must be destroyed at all cost. But, he was crazy. He killed innocent people and he was one of the many sparks that set off the American Civil War. During his slave uprising at Harpers Ferry, the first person that was killed was a free slave that was guarding the weapons. His very actions separated average citizens in the U.S.
lol, what have you been reading? John Brown did many things in his life. He believed, which I do not disagree with, that slavery was an absolute evil and must be destroyed at all cost. But, he was crazy. He killed innocent people and he was one of the many sparks that set off the American Civil War. During his slave uprising at Harpers Ferry, the first person that was killed was a free slave that was guarding the weapons. His very actions separated average citizens in the U.S.
@BandMan6100 Conservative=maintaining status quo=slavery, liberal=changing the status quo=abolitionist, not that im saying conservatives now are pro-slavery, but the conservatives at the time most certainly were. The only thing John Brown has thats similar to right wing extremists today is that he was very religious, i would even say a religious fanatic unfortunately
@Lambchop08 He was absolutely not any kind of "religious fanatic." He was a devout Christian, yes, but he did not try to force his beliefs on anyone. His children, for instance, rejected his faith, but he never rejected them.
@savinobratton Thank you for pointing that out to me. The only reason i said he was a religious fanatic is because he claimed to here the voice of god, something that for me, an atheist is hard to fathom. The fact that he didnt try and force his religion on anyone else gives him major props in my book. Even more than he already had for fighting the injustice of slavery
John Brown also killed 7 innocent people including a free black while injuring others when he seized the federal arsenal at Harpers Ferry. He acted with dignity and courage leading up to his execution after he realized his death was worth the most to the abolitionist cause. His "exemplary" conduct during this time is the only reason why the North ended up hailing him as a hero, even though he hacked 5 men to pieces, "presumed" to be pro-slavery and was involved in horse-stealing.
@CLPUSA2009 John Brown was the furthest thing from a "right wing extremist." I suggest you take your own advice and "PLEASE READ HISTORY BEFORE COMMENTING ON SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!"
@CLPUSA2009 - To call him right-wing by the standards of the 1800s is ignorant. He was a radical left-wing abolitionist, and yes, a supporter of the GOP, which at the time was a left-wing party, and (mostly because of a shift of values in the US, not so much a change in Party beliefs) is now center-right.
you're a lunatic. the civil war was fought over whether or not to include new states as slave states or free states. saying the civil war wasn't fought over slavery is like saying we pick apples just to help the trees.
The Civil War wasn't fought for slavery at all in the beginning, it was to keep the Union together, it was only about slavery towards the end after Lincoln gave the Emancipation Proclamation Speech
"The Civil War wasn't fought for slavery at all in the beginning, it was to keep the Union together".
Factually incorrect. Read "This Mighty Scourge: Perspectives on the Civil War" by James McPherson. States rights was post war revisionism by the south to make them seem less racist after the fact. The South succeeded because they wanted the ability to add future states entering the union as slave states, and thusly fought the war over slavery.
There were slave states that fought on the northern side.
The civil war was about a lot of things, slavery included. But it was not solely about slavery, and most of the problems that started it went back hundreds of years. Slavery was what both sides latched on to, but in reality the politics behind it was far more confusing.
The letters and documents of the time leave no doubt that slavery was the number 1 issue. The south wanted to keep the 'right of a state to keep slavery'.
Was it one reason? Yes, but that was not the ONLY reason. The civil was was fought over A LOT of different things. The idea that the conflict was solely about slavery is a modern misconception.
No, the idea that slavery was not the main reason for the war is simply a way for Southerners to try and give their treason a little more respectibility - da truth hurts, don't it?
I just know a little about history and the cultural, economic, and political differences between the north and south curing the civil was. Which all go way beyond slavery and if you can't see that you're deluding yourself
Actually the main reasons for the Civil War was the government favoring the North and the Tarriff of abominations.The North jipped the South in a lot of ways.
Totally wrong, slavery was the main issue. Only slavery was such a purely sectional issue.
Another thing that proves you wrong is that areas of the South, like East Tennessee and West Virginia, where slavery was not widesspread, remained loyal to the union.
If the main reason for the war was not slavery, how do you explain the above?
Really, you Southern revisionists are so laughable.
Abe Lincoln was a hero, so were John Brown, and US Grant.
Taxes, representation in congress, Northern industrial domination, cultural differences, disagreements over states power on the federal government. I can go on.
The idea that the civil war was fought solely over slavery is just historically inaccurate.
@BandMan6100 No! Your wrong, and you have taken your information from dilluted History books written by the North and you have failed to read actual writings and documents to research the truth, but your truth is your truth, and so you have the right to die in your own ignorance as you now live in it as many other fools on this page are doing.
yea and Lincon said, (what you didn't finish) and if he could he could save it by freeing all the slaves he would do so. The reason he says that is because Lincon does not believe that it was moral to tell a state if they could have slaves or not. dude people like you piss me off get you fucking history right and do a little research before making yourself look like an idiot
This is a very interesting sond, to say the least. We're reading about John Brown in my civil war course right now. This song came up, and I'm glad you have it posted.
Also, no one that John Brown and his crew targeted were innocent. They practiced racialist chattel slavery. If you attack this great man as a "fanatic" or "leftist" or whatever b.s. label you can come up with you expose your true beliefs and motivations. Basically, what you are saying is that racial oppression/slavery, etc, is okay and some "white traitor" came along and ruined it. If you TRUELY feel that violence is wrong then tell that to the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Nice try.
Really?! Does "the left" only feel that the ends justify the means? If the police break up a slavery ring in modern times does that make them "leftists"? If someone involved with these slavery rings shoots at them first are they believing that the ends justify the means? Would the police be "fanatics" for breaking it up? How is John Brown a fanatic? As for your comment about "the left" they're usually demonized for being pacificists (Quakers, Underground Railroad).
The funny thing about the harpers ferry inserection is that General Lee was the leader of the assult on the arsenal. This was one of the last things he did before resinging from the union army to join the conferacry, and the only reason he was choses was becouse there was no one in DC that had lead troops in years
I don't know if anyone can confirm/deny this but I was told that although it was interpreted as written about the fanatic John Brown. It was really written to tease a member of the regiment named John Brown. It is also what it says on wikipedia although that is not exactly the most accurate i will admit.
I read that on WIkipedia too, but I'm in AP US History and my teacher (who's been teaching for like 35 years) tells me that it was really written for John Brown, the abolitionist. So I don't know who to believe.
Theodoric, thanks for your comments. Unfortunately, most on the left I have encountered regard Brown as a hero. I would surely hope that even those who differ from me politically can nonetheless agree that the end does not justify the means, and a loonie is a loonie, regardless of "cause."
The lunacy of the left is that "the end justifies the means." "If it was for a good cause, it's okay!"
Yeah. Group hug time.
The end does NOT justify the means.
That idiocy would "justify" all terrorism. Surely KKK bombers felt "just," as did McVeigh, as did the 9/11 terrorists, as do all who resort to arson, murder and explosives for their "cause."
John Brown was a fanatic willing to go to any extremes for his beliefs. Murder, abduction, all OK in his warped mind.
I actually know quite a few people om the left, few if any of them embrace John Brown. Most would agree with you. At beast they are conflicted about him. You should not such broad generalizations. It is like claiming everybody of the right are birthers.
They were fighting for the slaves. To liberate them. People get killed in rebellions and wars, sometimes innocent people, but John Brown's guerilla war against the slavers was a righteous one if ever there was one. If you don't get that, you're either a fuckin idiot, a weak pacifist bitch, or a racist.
My personal favourite USA martyr! He reminds me of my Dad in one of "those" moods.
Freedom fighter or terrorist? Or both? The argument goes on still in our times about those meanings.
MaiHarinder 1 week ago
It's hard to judge John Brown's methods to free the slaves unless we have actually lived during those times. The laws in the southern states no longer applied according to the constitution of the land.
I'd also like to add, why are we celebrating a day for the criminal, Columbus. Don't we owe our native americans a holiday celebration? At least!
fatoverlean 3 months ago
The officer's motorbike has a whole in its tire.
The officer's motorbike has a whole in its tire.
The officer's motorbike has a whole in its tire.
And we fix it with a chewing gum.
Alfa Romeo, Fiat, Lancia,
Alfa Romeo, Fiat, Lancia,
Alfa Romeo, Fiat, Lancia,
And we fix it with a chewing gum.
A swiss scouts song with John Browns body melody translated in english.
(You can sing it like "My hat It has three corners" replaceing: officer, motorbike, hole, tire, chewing gum with gestures)
D3rarsch 7 months ago
He had good ideals but choose the wrong methods. He was a major cause of the civil war. The South was shocked and appalled by his acclaim in the North.
Thx1138d 7 months ago
@Thx1138d I think his methods were well-conceived he just should've waited until he had more popular support.
Magurufukuru 5 months ago
The song of boy scouts ! :-D
Franki3Ca 8 months ago
BethlehemFilms17 9 months ago
@BethlehemFilms17 Change "hot coals" to "burning oil" or "hot petroleum" and you win. XD
Nonamearisto 9 months ago
That is good!
Thx1138d 8 months ago
@BethlehemFilms17 George doubleyou Bush was a drunken President, George doubleyou Bush was a drunken President, George doubleyou Bush was a drunken President, we should kill him as a war criminal...
igel10 4 months ago
This is exactly what it sounds like on the start of a cartoon coming out of the intro straight into a civil war scene. I can picture tom and jerry for some reason.
Cyanesence 9 months ago
were takin down the zog-machine, jew by jew by jew, the white men marching on!
Ratskeller1896 11 months ago
@Ratskeller1896 What are you some muslin goat shagger like bin laden
rorybowskill 11 months ago
Leave it to a German group to remind us of our history! Deutschland steht neben uns!!
tigerguy121 11 months ago
Leave it to a German group to remind us of our history! Deutschland steht neben uns!!
tigerguy121 11 months ago
The South attacked the North to enslave the working class.
It was their official policy and they already started to return the blacks to liberia BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR!!!
Their economy was the same as the Romans and the Muslims, a class of parasites fed by slaves worked to death! When Romans, muslims and southrons lost their slaves, they collapsed!!!
hotspur666 1 year ago
I strongly admire the principles that John Brown stood for, but certainly not the ways he went about fighting for them. Brutally slaughtering five "alleged" proslavery men on Pottawatomie Creek right in front of their families' eyes isn't what I would exactly call heroism.
MrTuesday93 1 year ago
@MrTuesday93
Because it was heroic of these southron slaving parties kidnapping travelers all over the north and drag them to slavery down south?
Over 30% of slaves where already white due to systematic rape by the southern rats.
Sherman was right in burning southron scumbags to the ground!
hotspur666 1 year ago
@hotspur666
I never said the confederates were good people either. I just don't like the ways John Brown went about fighting for slaves' freedom with terrorism.
MrTuesday93 11 months ago
@MrTuesday93 what you call terrorism others call freedom fighting. Look closely at what the united states did to break about from the brits, was that was terrorism?
kennethmk1989 11 months ago
@MrTuesday93 So, when a government intervenes on behalf of an oppressed people, it's humanitarian intervention, but when a militia does it, it's terrorism?
CrawdaddyJoe 11 months ago
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Today, niggers do rape white women, and Jews rule America. If CSA won the war...
religiofob 1 year ago
@religiofob Then ignorant fucks like you would be all over this country.... ah, shit, you already are. Get back to Georgia!
CrawdaddyJoe 1 year ago
@CrawdaddyJoe
That bring us to Ronald Reagan.
When he was a demon rat, he was all for slavery and the Ku Klux Klan...WATCH HIS MOVIES!!!
Then he was hit by common sense and dumped the democrats, went republican and is now regarded as our best President ever!!!FREEDOM VERSUS SLAVERY...CAPITALISM VERSUS SOCIALISM...
Sherman should have killed them all!!Oh! Wait! HE DID!!!
hotspur666 1 year ago
@hotspur666 I think you've forgotten that slavery was a capitalist institution. America during the time of slavery was a capitalist country.
Also, when Reagan was a democrat, the Democrats were the southern, psuedo-populist, state's rights party. Now the GOP is that party. They switched placed in the 60s when the Democrats, after coming off of the populist New Deal, got influenced by the New Left and neo-progressives, and the GOP pursued the Southern Strategy and won the south.
CrawdaddyJoe 11 months ago
@CrawdaddyJoe,
Read George Fitzhugh, the leading advocate of slavery in the antebellum south. He based his defense of slavery exclusively on Karl Marx's writing. Slavery was not a capitalist institution because net debt on an estate is not hereditary. Indentured servitude is capitalist. Slavery is not.
MegaAstrodude 10 months ago
@MegaAstrodude Yes, the misinformed ranting of one racist antebellum social theorist means that slavery, a property institution of servitude for private gain, was not capitalist. Even though it was based in ownership of the means of production and ownership of the laborer and their products, by a wealthy ownership class, and even though it provided the materials for industrial capitalism, it was somehow un-capitalist.
Also, note that Marx and his contemporaries condemned slavery. Many times.
CrawdaddyJoe 10 months ago
@CrawdaddyJoe,
Marx condemned the term 'slavery' but he favored functional slavery. He argued for a society where a "dictatorship of the proletariat' and his politburo enslaved everyone else.
MegaAstrodude 10 months ago
@MegaAstrodude When Marx said 'dictatorship of the proletariat', he meant the proletariat as a class- in a socialist society, with the abolition of the capitalist class, that effectively means the rule of the great majority, the working class. In other words, a democratic society. He was adamant that the liberation of proletariat must be an act of the proletariat. The entire idea of an organization 'directing' the proles as a worker's vanguard party came from Lenin, not Marx.
CrawdaddyJoe 10 months ago
@MegaAstrodude
As Engels clarified in his critique of the Social Democrat's Erfurt Program:
"One thing that is absolutely certain is that our party and the working class cannot achieve rule except under the form of the democratic republic. This latter is even the specific form of the dictatorship of the proletariat, as the Great French Revolution(actually meaning the Paris Commune of 1871)already showed. "
AlaricxMalgraith 9 months ago
@religiofob Jewish people also ruled the Confederacy. The Sec. of the Treasury was Judah Benjamin, and 50,000 Jewish men fought for the South. The wealthiest slave holders and cotton traders in Natchez were Jewish.
fiddler1861 1 year ago
@fiddler1861
Of course, muslims "historians" also say that all the Spanish where actually Jewish slavers, that most slaves where traded by "Khazar" Jews,...etc...etc...GO BACK TO YOUR MEIN KAMPF AND KORAN, YOU NAZI ASSHOLE!!!
hotspur666 1 year ago
@religiofob If the CSA won the war it'd have turned into a third world shithole, useful for only economic exploitation by other nations.
vernii 1 year ago 2
@vernii
Bullshit. The Confederates were intelligent anglo-saxon protestants, not stupid blacks. Maybe they didn't know modern economy but they understood necessity of learning. Economic exploitation? LOL! Many of european countries had colonies.
Sorry for my english, I'm not American but I love USA and I'm proud of White America successes!!!!
religiofob 11 months ago
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@religiofob
Remember that that kind of parasite niggers VOTE DEMOCRAT, just like nazi scum like YOU!!!
YOU PUT THE KEYNESIAN KENYAN KANNIBAL Mau-Mau in the White House!!!
hotspur666 1 year ago
@hotspur666
I don't understand you. Do you like niggers or not?
I'm not American and I not voted for Obama. It's SHAME for America - big goriila on White House roof!!
religiofob 11 months ago
@religiofob Well, I don't know about hotspur, but I can attest that I like 'niggers'. 'Niggers' are my friends and neighbors. A 'nigger' is about to be my inlaw. I've got plenty of room in my life for 'niggers'. Not a lot for bigots, though.
CrawdaddyJoe 11 months ago
@CrawdaddyJoe
OMG, you're so happy than niggers are your friends :) Until the moment they will kick your a**s! Me, I prefere life without niggers and other non-whites...
religiofob 10 months ago
@religiofob Cool, i prefer life without any ignorant faggots that put shame to anyone in dixie like you.
Mossgate97 9 months ago
John Brown:
Hero in the North
Terrorist in the South
Considered insane by those unaligned
All in all-A DAMN GOOD MAN!!!! the only differences between a genius and an insane man are: the former knows hes insane and a cause to support through it all!
luffylovesswords 1 year ago 2
John Brown was a Right wing Christian Republican please people open your eyes the hippies did not take the million man march ministers and Pastors did and martin Luther king jr. was a republican minister. Also the civil rights bill was written by republicans. Wake the fuck up and leave me the fuck alone.
CLPUSA2009 1 year ago
@CLPUSA2009 The GOP and the Democrats were very different parties before the 1960s. The Democrats started off as a populist, southern, state's rights party, while the Republicans started as free soiler party, supportive of industrialization, and popular in the North. However, in the Great Depression, the Democrats carried on the progressive tradition with the populist New Deal. The Democrats became influenced by the New Left in the 60s, prompting the GOP to pursue the Southern Strategy. Read up.
CrawdaddyJoe 11 months ago
"PLEASE READ HISTORY BEFORE COMMENTING ON SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT"
Invariably a sign of someone who is more knowledgeable than everyone else.
Not.
screwyou 1 year ago
John Brown was a MAN, he had the balls to stand for what he believed in.
rorybowskill 1 year ago
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dont think the intro was necessary
duuvix 1 year ago
dont think the intro was necissary
duuvix 1 year ago
John Brown sucks ass!! Yankee spawn !
Back2Dixie 1 year ago
@Back2Dixie Is a True Demoncrat
CLPUSA2009 1 year ago
John Browm may be have used hard method, but he was was fighting a great evil, perhaps the greatest of all.
Filohippo2 1 year ago
Will those who support slavery please tell their bosses not to pay them for the work they do?
Or havn't you got the ba**s to put your money where your mouth is?
rorybowskill 1 year ago
It's the 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky
bowhows 1 year ago
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please someone can help me? how is the name of the first song? thank you
stepier 1 year ago
please someone can help me? how is the name of the first song? thank you
stepier 1 year ago
@stepier John Brown's Body
gabepizza 1 year ago
@stepier Battle Hym of the Republic?
CLPUSA2009 1 year ago
I remember how surprised I was some 20 yrs ago when I first heard a southerner say that the Civil War was about states' rights. I had no idea that a different version of history was taught there. Anyhow, it is pretty easy to understand why they do so. It is hard for people anywhere to accept that their families were wrong and did immoral things, especially when others point out those faults. But, we all have ancestors that did bad things. Most of us just don't know about it though.
bowhows 1 year ago 2
Semplicemente fantastica
Tecnitalia 1 year ago
John Brown is the real American Hero.
I'm going to his house this Summer.
MCwelfare 1 year ago
Yes, John Browns was like a Christ to the U.S. and technically started the uprising which started the Civil War! Even though he failed in his revolt against slavery and the ending of it, all in all his actions started the Civil War and ended slavery
BAMF5550123 1 year ago 11
@BAMF5550123 That uprising didn't start the war. Secession, driven by the economic interests of a slaveholding gentry, and the firing on Fort Sumpter started the war.
CrawdaddyJoe 11 months ago
@BAMF5550123 He was accually fore shadowing that their was going to be a war no mater what.
LukewarmChart 10 months ago
@LukewarmChart Yes but if John Brown had not acted there would be no telling when the war would have started.
BAMF5550123 10 months ago
@BAMF5550123 Well, Lincoln probably still would have been elected, still would have been an abolitionist, and even without the extra scare from JB, the south probably would have seceded.
CrawdaddyJoe 10 months ago
@CrawdaddyJoe Agreed, but John Brown was like the spark that lit a massive wildfire and without him no one could tell when the war would have started.
BAMF5550123 10 months ago
Jon Brown truly Believed that god had spoken to him so he can stop slavery. He tried to gather as many slaves as he could and invade a arsenal. When they caught him they brought him to they court house and said to him self that he thought what a nice place, I wish i could spend more time he before I get hung. The death of John Brown made the North furious but the south somehow felt threatened.
shadowvowed187 1 year ago
@shadowvowed187
Very true, the death of John Brown probably angered many people within the North. Many well known individuals were in favor of John Brown's uprising. It was this support of well known individuals that made the South basically say "I told you so." The South was always afraid of a slave revolt/uprising like what happened in Haiti and in several South American countries. This is the reason why it was illegal to teach slaves in the South to read and write.
EastAustraliaCurrent 1 year ago
what was the name of the song in the start when the cannones were fireing?
KB1PTH 2 years ago
1812 overture by Tchaikovsky
ypwangtube 2 years ago
the civil war was fought over states rights TO KEEP SLAVES and whether or not to EXTEND SLAVERY to newly "created" western territories. yes, obviously there were other disagreements between the north and the south, but those were the most prominent. these facts are glossed over in the modern US in order to downplay race/ism.
and gubgub, the word you're looking for is "gyped" and its actually a racial slur against "gypsies" (who are actually called Romani, btw) and it is exceedingly offensive.
massconfusion14 2 years ago
iu na ini ang pg tataram mo mg parehab kana jun pyo
bilat86 2 years ago
Love this song <3
MrEmlin099 2 years ago 3
Good negro is dead negro - Thats my motto!
eljadro 2 years ago
Why are you for segregation? Or killing blacks?
fiedelmax 2 years ago
Du lebst in Deutschland und wei3t nicht warum?
eljadro 2 years ago
Ja ich lebe in deutschland und ich kenne den geschichtlichen bezug. Über geschichte bauchst du mir nichts erzählen.Aber gerade deswegen is es net gut,weil die deutsch dann weider den stempel "nazi" auf die stirn kriegen
fiedelmax 2 years ago
Ich habe nicd Nazis gemeint, aber die Immigranten, die nur die Probleme machen! Detschland ist nicht mehr Deutschland!
eljadro 2 years ago
aber das was du hier meinst,läuft auf den rassismus hinaus,der vor über 60 jahren hier in deutschland war! Nur damals waren es die Juden
fiedelmax 2 years ago
Juden sind ausgebildet und nicht dumm! Aber was die Immigranten aus Afrika und Asien? Bist du einverstanden mit Einkommen von Tuerken in Deutschland? Europa wird zerstoert!!!!
eljadro 2 years ago
Ehm kann es sein,dass du keine arbeit hast? weil so denkt nämlich der großteil der keine arbeit hat und dann den anderen die shculd dafür gibt,nur weil solche den ARSCH nicht hochkriegen! Du bist schon son kleiner rassist
fiedelmax 2 years ago
Nein, Ich bin Student.
eljadro 2 years ago
Aber gerade da,bei studenten kann man doch wohl mal ein bisschen grips erwarten und dass die net gleich so rassistisch sind!
fiedelmax 2 years ago
muslime + nazis = freunde 1933-1945
Europa hat zu viel ausländer
san77vb 2 years ago
Damals:
nazis gegen juden
Heute:
muslime gegen juden
nazis + muslime = alliert
san77vb 2 years ago
Bisschen komische rechnung, findest du nicht?
x50angel50devilx 2 years ago
Ich denke nicht. Islam und die nazis waren wirklich alliert. Himmler hatte soger eine SS-schule fuer islam-imams in Dresden.
san77vb 2 years ago
Ja was denn, lebst du immer noch vor 70 Jahren? Und was soll das heissen, Europa hat zuviele Ausländer? Weisst du, wir alle sind in 200 Ländern Ausländer...
x50angel50devilx 2 years ago
shouldnt slavery be used as a punishment? I mean if a guy kills his family he deservs it.
REfanboys1 2 years ago
TITTIES
iLyykMuzik 2 years ago
BRIDGES IS BETTER THAN 180
rudabaga11 2 years ago
John Brown is a hero to his country and humanity. He truly held the right views and was willing to fight violent tyrants to defend those views and beliefs.
alizee2010 2 years ago 66
and to kill slave owners
Youngmarine0109 2 years ago 3
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EastAustraliaCurrent 1 year ago
@alizee2010 the first man his men shot in the dark was a black man
DrKorn5 1 year ago
@alizee2010 But realistically, wasn't he the violent tyrant? He murdered 12 innocent people who held different views than him. He is revered as some by a hero, but although what he stood for was correct, his means really were not.
Dodighead01 1 year ago
Kill all the fucking politically correct assholes who gush and worship government troops, and excuse both their deliberate murders and their unavoidable killings, but who refuse to give the same honor to civilians (like John Brown) who fight and kill for a just cause such as ending slavery. The North should have let the South secede, then nuked them (well, you know what I mean) and rooted out all the bigots in the North, too.
ecordy75 2 years ago 4
Super gespielt von den "Lords"
seili59 2 years ago 2
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ibrahima1964 2 years ago
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John Brown was an insane guy who somehow got it right....well sorta. I was shocked when I found out John Brown and his followers KILLED A FREED SLAVE. What the fuck? John Brown was an asshole, im glad they hung that hypocritical fucker
boscogump 2 years ago
@boscogump He wasn't hypocritical, one of Brown's followers shot and killed a free black cos it was 1 in the morning and they couldn't see that far, they just saw some people still running after they ordered them to stop
iamthejtg 2 years ago 2
glad to see that brown knew the difference beyween what s wrong and what s right...we are in 2009 and some people dont have any idea of whats right. god bless you brown and rest in peace. you are a christian. and a real one.
ibrahima1964 2 years ago 8
A good christian wouldn't chop up people and send them down a river.
AfromanKKK2 2 years ago
really....
flamelegs 2 years ago
hey buddy... stfu
AfromanKKK2 2 years ago
its been known to happen...
flamelegs 2 years ago
I've heard that this was the Confederate version of the Battle Hymn of the Republic. That may be wrong. Even if it is, that doesn't change the fact that the Civil War was not fought over slavery. Lincoln stated that if he could preserve the Union without freeing a single slave, he would do so gladly. To say that the Civil War was fought over slavery is the same as saying that WW2 was fought over the Holocaust.
aspie101 2 years ago
Why would this be the Confederate version? John Brown was against slavery, not for it.
Devildance1234 2 years ago 2
I said that that information might have been false. The Confederates didn't really fight for slavery though. The majority of them were poor whites. There were some Native Americans, Jews, Mexicans and Free Blacks who fought in the grey uniform. As I've said, to say that the Civil War was fought over slavery is the same as saying that WW2 was fought over the Holocaust.
aspie101 2 years ago
The Union and the Confederacy had different names for the same songs and battles. For example, the Battle of Antietam was the Union's name for the battle. The Confederate name for the same battle was the Battle of Sharpsburg.
P.S.: Have you noticed that someone is marking our comments as negative?
aspie101 2 years ago
John Brown was an American abolitionist he killed people who were for slavery and was tried for treason by the state of Virginia and they hanged him. At his funeral his supporters sang the song John Browns Body; Because he was a devout Christian and the first known right wing extremist he was known as a hero amongst the Union army PLEASE READ HISTORY BEFORE COMMENTING ON SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!
CLPUSA2009 2 years ago 23
@CLPUSA2009, I think it's a bit far to say he was a right-wing extremist. I mean, Malcolm X greatly admired the man, even saying he would allow him in the Organization of Afro-American Unity. Also, I think the song was based on another John Brown, a Union Sargent.
tjones590 1 year ago
@CLPUSA2009 John Brown killed the pro-slavery guys, five of them I think, with broadsword (hacked and stabbed them). He did it as payback for the sacking of the abolitionist town of Lawrence where the pro-slavery guys had burned a Newspaper, a Hotel and something else.
You know history, what do you say about "bleeding Kansas"? Was John Brown the first to use force?
DrWGONZALEZ 1 year ago
He also killed anti-slavery "guys" who were with them.
EastAustraliaCurrent 1 year ago 2
how that
Nikoz7Makaveli 1 year ago
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@CLPUSA2009 lol, what have you been reading? John Brown did many things in his life. He believed, which I do not disagree with, that slavery was an absolute evil and must be destroyed at all cost. But, he was crazy. He killed innocent people and he was one of the many sparks that set off the American Civil War. During his slave uprising at Harpers Ferry, the first person that was killed was a free slave that was guarding the weapons. His very actions separated average citizens in the U.S.
EastAustraliaCurrent 1 year ago
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@CLPUSA2009 lol, what have you been reading? John Brown did many things in his life. He believed, which I do not disagree with, that slavery was an absolute evil and must be destroyed at all cost. But, he was crazy. He killed innocent people and he was one of the many sparks that set off the American Civil War. During his slave uprising at Harpers Ferry, the first person that was killed was a free slave that was guarding the weapons. His very actions separated average citizens in the U.S.
EastAustraliaCurrent 1 year ago
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@CLPUSA2009
lol, what have you been reading? John Brown did many things in his life. He believed, which I do not disagree with, that slavery was an absolute evil and must be destroyed at all cost. But, he was crazy. He killed innocent people and he was one of the many sparks that set off the American Civil War. During his slave uprising at Harpers Ferry, the first person that was killed was a free slave that was guarding the weapons. His very actions separated average citizens in the U.S.
EastAustraliaCurrent 1 year ago
@CLPUSA2009
John Brown would have been a left-wing, not right-wing extremist. Sad, that obviously people do not know this as they are giving you a thumbs up.
BandMan6100 1 year ago
@BandMan6100 how do you figure he was a republican DUMBASS
CLPUSA2009 1 year ago
@BandMan6100 Conservative=maintaining status quo=slavery, liberal=changing the status quo=abolitionist, not that im saying conservatives now are pro-slavery, but the conservatives at the time most certainly were. The only thing John Brown has thats similar to right wing extremists today is that he was very religious, i would even say a religious fanatic unfortunately
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 He was absolutely not any kind of "religious fanatic." He was a devout Christian, yes, but he did not try to force his beliefs on anyone. His children, for instance, rejected his faith, but he never rejected them.
savinobratton 1 year ago
@savinobratton Thank you for pointing that out to me. The only reason i said he was a religious fanatic is because he claimed to here the voice of god, something that for me, an atheist is hard to fathom. The fact that he didnt try and force his religion on anyone else gives him major props in my book. Even more than he already had for fighting the injustice of slavery
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@CLPUSA2009
John Brown also killed 7 innocent people including a free black while injuring others when he seized the federal arsenal at Harpers Ferry. He acted with dignity and courage leading up to his execution after he realized his death was worth the most to the abolitionist cause. His "exemplary" conduct during this time is the only reason why the North ended up hailing him as a hero, even though he hacked 5 men to pieces, "presumed" to be pro-slavery and was involved in horse-stealing.
ThisIsLiz7 1 year ago
@ThisIsLiz7 The men he slaughtered in Kansas were not "'presumed' to be proslavery." They were avowedly proslavery.
savinobratton 1 year ago
@CLPUSA2009 John Brown was the furthest thing from a "right wing extremist." I suggest you take your own advice and "PLEASE READ HISTORY BEFORE COMMENTING ON SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!"
savinobratton 1 year ago
@CLPUSA2009 - To call him right-wing by the standards of the 1800s is ignorant. He was a radical left-wing abolitionist, and yes, a supporter of the GOP, which at the time was a left-wing party, and (mostly because of a shift of values in the US, not so much a change in Party beliefs) is now center-right.
PoisonedOath 1 year ago
you're a lunatic. the civil war was fought over whether or not to include new states as slave states or free states. saying the civil war wasn't fought over slavery is like saying we pick apples just to help the trees.
willfullyobscure 2 years ago
The Civil War wasn't fought for slavery at all in the beginning, it was to keep the Union together, it was only about slavery towards the end after Lincoln gave the Emancipation Proclamation Speech
Hitter70 2 years ago
"The Civil War wasn't fought for slavery at all in the beginning, it was to keep the Union together".
Factually incorrect. Read "This Mighty Scourge: Perspectives on the Civil War" by James McPherson. States rights was post war revisionism by the south to make them seem less racist after the fact. The South succeeded because they wanted the ability to add future states entering the union as slave states, and thusly fought the war over slavery.
gaspanicmiller 2 years ago 16
There were slave states that fought on the northern side.
The civil war was about a lot of things, slavery included. But it was not solely about slavery, and most of the problems that started it went back hundreds of years. Slavery was what both sides latched on to, but in reality the politics behind it was far more confusing.
ogloosh 2 years ago
The letters and documents of the time leave no doubt that slavery was the number 1 issue. The south wanted to keep the 'right of a state to keep slavery'.
san77vb 2 years ago
Big issue does not mean only issue.
Was it one reason? Yes, but that was not the ONLY reason. The civil was was fought over A LOT of different things. The idea that the conflict was solely about slavery is a modern misconception.
ogloosh 2 years ago
@ogloosh
No, the idea that slavery was not the main reason for the war is simply a way for Southerners to try and give their treason a little more respectibility - da truth hurts, don't it?
BandMan6100 1 year ago
@BandMan6100
I'm not a southerner, dumbass.
I just know a little about history and the cultural, economic, and political differences between the north and south curing the civil was. Which all go way beyond slavery and if you can't see that you're deluding yourself
Slave states fought for the union for gods sake.
ogloosh 1 year ago
@ogloosh
really? what else what it about....aside from savery im pretty sure thats it. the reason the south wanted states rights was to keep slaves
theking556 2 years ago
Actually the main reasons for the Civil War was the government favoring the North and the Tarriff of abominations.The North jipped the South in a lot of ways.
gubgub434 2 years ago
the tariffs were originally southern measures
san77vb 2 years ago
@gubgub434
Totally wrong, slavery was the main issue. Only slavery was such a purely sectional issue.
Another thing that proves you wrong is that areas of the South, like East Tennessee and West Virginia, where slavery was not widesspread, remained loyal to the union.
If the main reason for the war was not slavery, how do you explain the above?
Really, you Southern revisionists are so laughable.
Abe Lincoln was a hero, so were John Brown, and US Grant.
BandMan6100 1 year ago
Taxes, representation in congress, Northern industrial domination, cultural differences, disagreements over states power on the federal government. I can go on.
The idea that the civil war was fought solely over slavery is just historically inaccurate.
ogloosh 2 years ago
@ogloosh
You are wrong, Slavery was by far the main issue, all the other stuff was just like garnish on a dinner plate.
BandMan6100 1 year ago
@BandMan6100 No! Your wrong, and you have taken your information from dilluted History books written by the North and you have failed to read actual writings and documents to research the truth, but your truth is your truth, and so you have the right to die in your own ignorance as you now live in it as many other fools on this page are doing.
Back2Dixie 1 year ago
@Back2Dixie
Well, if you say so!
BandMan6100 1 year ago
@BandMan6100
Main is not only.
ogloosh 1 year ago
"Problems that started it went back hundreds of years"
Exactly how old do you think America is?
TokenRoach 1 year ago
The cultural divide between the North and the south existed from the moments the colonies were established until now.
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ogloosh 1 year ago 2
In actuality, the arguments for the Civil War can be rooted back to the issue of slavery.
States Rights - mainly so states can choose to be free or slave
High tariffs - made on the products made by slavery, with prices high on them to discourage use of slaves
The union breaking apart - because the United States *almost* literally in two (politcally) because of free and slave states.
So, yeah, no one said it outright, but most point can be argued to be about slavery.
xmythik 2 years ago 3
yea and Lincon said, (what you didn't finish) and if he could he could save it by freeing all the slaves he would do so. The reason he says that is because Lincon does not believe that it was moral to tell a state if they could have slaves or not. dude people like you piss me off get you fucking history right and do a little research before making yourself look like an idiot
TokenRoach 1 year ago 2
@TokenRoach
Moral had nothing to do with it.
Lincoln did not believe he had the constitutional authority.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
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98hansi 2 years ago
Whatever you have to say, this is a great testament to American freedom!!!!
LBPBumout 2 years ago
hab ich noch auf singel :D
zuendapp94 2 years ago
Quite similar to the battle hymn of republic
ajhamhill 2 years ago
This is a very interesting sond, to say the least. We're reading about John Brown in my civil war course right now. This song came up, and I'm glad you have it posted.
elibethobbit 2 years ago 2
Also, no one that John Brown and his crew targeted were innocent. They practiced racialist chattel slavery. If you attack this great man as a "fanatic" or "leftist" or whatever b.s. label you can come up with you expose your true beliefs and motivations. Basically, what you are saying is that racial oppression/slavery, etc, is okay and some "white traitor" came along and ruined it. If you TRUELY feel that violence is wrong then tell that to the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Nice try.
Indhegoh 2 years ago 4
Really?! Does "the left" only feel that the ends justify the means? If the police break up a slavery ring in modern times does that make them "leftists"? If someone involved with these slavery rings shoots at them first are they believing that the ends justify the means? Would the police be "fanatics" for breaking it up? How is John Brown a fanatic? As for your comment about "the left" they're usually demonized for being pacificists (Quakers, Underground Railroad).
Indhegoh 2 years ago 3
i find this song somber and these people made it light... i dont like it
flashfan2 2 years ago
The funny thing about the harpers ferry inserection is that General Lee was the leader of the assult on the arsenal. This was one of the last things he did before resinging from the union army to join the conferacry, and the only reason he was choses was becouse there was no one in DC that had lead troops in years
Immoralsalvage 2 years ago
I don't know if anyone can confirm/deny this but I was told that although it was interpreted as written about the fanatic John Brown. It was really written to tease a member of the regiment named John Brown. It is also what it says on wikipedia although that is not exactly the most accurate i will admit.
I would love to hear your opinions.
Cloonator 2 years ago
I read that on WIkipedia too, but I'm in AP US History and my teacher (who's been teaching for like 35 years) tells me that it was really written for John Brown, the abolitionist. So I don't know who to believe.
fox9ninja 2 years ago
It was written for John Brown the abolitionist, who also tried to overtake the whole south of America.
zaidal8 2 years ago
Theodoric, thanks for your comments. Unfortunately, most on the left I have encountered regard Brown as a hero. I would surely hope that even those who differ from me politically can nonetheless agree that the end does not justify the means, and a loonie is a loonie, regardless of "cause."
Graymalkin2001 2 years ago
The lunacy of the left is that "the end justifies the means." "If it was for a good cause, it's okay!"
Yeah. Group hug time.
The end does NOT justify the means.
That idiocy would "justify" all terrorism. Surely KKK bombers felt "just," as did McVeigh, as did the 9/11 terrorists, as do all who resort to arson, murder and explosives for their "cause."
John Brown was a fanatic willing to go to any extremes for his beliefs. Murder, abduction, all OK in his warped mind.
He was a terrorist.
Graymalkin2001 2 years ago
I actually know quite a few people om the left, few if any of them embrace John Brown. Most would agree with you. At beast they are conflicted about him. You should not such broad generalizations. It is like claiming everybody of the right are birthers.
Theodoric476 2 years ago
He was a counter-terrorist. The real terror and lunacy was the institution of American chattel slavery.
Qazaq 2 years ago 9
Isn't it ironic. The first person John Brown's men killed at Harpers Ferry was a free black man. Who were they fighting for?
jsf3483 2 years ago
They were fighting to free the slaves of course. Is this a trick question?
Theodoric476 2 years ago
They were fighting for the slaves. To liberate them. People get killed in rebellions and wars, sometimes innocent people, but John Brown's guerilla war against the slavers was a righteous one if ever there was one. If you don't get that, you're either a fuckin idiot, a weak pacifist bitch, or a racist.
SouthPhillyHooligan 2 years ago
It was at night, and the black baggage carrier didn't listen to the orders of the armed men of John Brown. They were forced to shoot him.
Qazaq 2 years ago