Those kicks he threw at 0:23 are ridicoulously slow for a pro mixed martial artist, i don't care if hes a grappler, i know guys who have been doing muay thai for just over a year who can throw those much faster than him.
to all the guys going against bjj... im just gonna point out, Leonard Wilson is 4-5 in mma, with all 5 losses coming via submission. this proves that no matter how good of a striker you are, you will never succeed unless you learn other skills (or fight a complete scrub like this guy)
I looked up leonard wilson and was surprised to find out that he had a 4-5 record. Turns out the dude has a really shitty ground game. If this guy found himslef a good bjj coach he'd be UFC bound.
thats what happens when a ground fighter actually fights someone in good shape with decent speed his ground attack only works good against a slug so they normally avoid martial artist in good shape.
he is only an orange belt in american kenpo and a self proclained street fighter,he is absolutely not a black belt.trust me i trained him in phoenix under the speakman system and we are still good friends to this day.its true,he does not really have any ground skills,its kenpo. look up the speakman school in phoenix thats where he trained with me.we are now in maricopa at the world champions training centers.anything more just let me know.
so sir im not. look up world champions training center. look up about then click instructors. i will be cornering him on nov.22 in tuscon, it will be a title fight. im tim cocuzza, nothing to hide. and hes not a celebrity, just another good fighter.
I forgot to post my lies on the other video. Kenpo Guy in the cage. This was his first fight. It gives the info on our school, which was at the YMCA back then. My bad, I'm still that liar though...
I still think leoanrd looks like a olympic taekwondo fighter. The wide stance, the feinting, the hand position, the stutter stepping footwork, ANd that kick perfect turning backkick tucked underneath him and bam straight to the target.
where did you find that information i looked everywhere for his discipline. Couldn't find any thing. Definitely wouldn't of thought kempo. Doesn't remind me of any kempo fighters I've ever seen.
thats because he is GOOD rebecca. mmost kempo guys are crap. and coming from a kempo BB, thats a big deal.but i have heard of leonard thru word of mouth at seminars and such. he ended his career with a 2-4-1 record. his problem was that while his striking was excellent and his take down defense exceptional, he had little to no ground skill and as such all his losses were due to submission via no ground fighting
MMA has proven than kicks and punches don't work in "real" fights. The only accepted method of combat is BJJ style grappling. To win a knockout in kicking fashion is highly suspect.
KICKS and PUNCHES do not work in a fight? I hope you mean by themselves because that is stupid. All MMA has proven is that grappling is an essential part of realistic combat. A Complete Martial Artist needs to be adept at striking and grappling to succeed in MMA. Many techniques are effective when used properly. Spinning Back Kicks are one of the most powerful strikes in Martial Arts. They work if you know how to use them.
Instead of assuming something you are unfamiliar with is fake you should learn more about the applicability of Martial Arts techniques. There's a good show airing on the history channel called Human Weapon, where they delve into the history of different styles and the techniques they use. I have many moves in my favorites from that show. Take some classes, read a book or watch a documentary. Don't just sit at the computer and believe everything you read or watch on the internet.
Now if he had said that it takes a lot more work to train kicking skills to where they are fast enough to use with out sacrificing ur postion too much then i would be in agreement. But he didn't so yeah, u need to maybe try to have an open mind about martial arts. It is most skilled fighter who has the most heart who wins. It is never about the specific style. all these youtube videos showing all these different styles owning each other is proof.
"punches and kicks don't work in the real world, only bjj" - zirkakhan
You know I could try to reason with you as with a sane being but for someone who has reached such a level of retardation as you have, nothing more can be done. You must have been dropped as a baby for sure LMAO
@redtortoise76 BJJ is sick but your talking shit, ive seen many people get knocked out from a punch in a street fight, it seems this retardation is contagious, mma is the way forward not a solitary style
Zirk, I'm having a hard time believing that you understand the message in your posts when you write them. You are saying that PUNCHES and KICKS do not work in a real fight. Everyone who reads your posts interprets that as you saying you cannot hit someone in the face with your fists or feet. Any reasonable person would think you were nuts if you really meant that. Is that what you are saying? If not explain in more detail.
Yes Ninja, this is exactly what he's saying, I can see you're a nice guy and trying to help this idiot save face but the hard truth is some people are just that stupid. Hard to believe, I know, but true nonetheless...ugh
I try to reserve judgment of people and give them a chance to explain their views. I try not to call anyone an idiot unless they are acting like complete assholes, then they must be put in their place. At best Zirk is a casual MMA fan who doesn't understand the intricacies of Martial Arts nor articulate his points very well. I've heard many MMA fans say that TMA are all flash and impractical which is what I think Zirk means but if he can't recognize the error in what he SAID he has issues.
what I'm saying is that it's a waste of time to train in punching and kicking or striking. Only grappling is effective. This video was a lucky shot, buy you couldn't consistently rely on that style of fighting. Good grapplers don't need to waste time striking, and video's like this do a disservice to MMA.
How closely do you follow MMA? Cross-training is essential to MMA. Once strikers started learning a good takedown defense they began to knockout the grapplers and the grapplers had to learn to strike. Even Royce Gracie tried to learn more Muay Thai to prepare for Matt Hughes, but lost by GNP. Then in Hughes next fight he got KO'd from a high kick by George St. Pierre, a Karate expert. Modern MMArtists need grappling AND striking to be effective. Your comments do a disservice to MMA.
"it's a waste of time to train in punching and kicking or striking"
That is the stupidest, dumbest,idiotic, most retarded statement I have ever heard. And for him to keep sustaining this idiocy when he clearly had enough time to research (this doesn't even require research, a donkey with three legs and half a brain can figure this out) clearly shows that this zirkakhan character is a retarded moron of the lowest kind LMAO.
Yeah, it's pathetic. I've encountered alot of keyboard warriors who believe that TMAs are useless but few people like Zirk that are so bad at articulating and backing up their views that they they make the most illogical claims. Any true MMA fan knows better than to say that grappling is the only effective form of combat and expresses the importance of cross-training before trashing any style. I gave him a chance. He simply can't make a logical point.
You guys are just mad that you've spent years wasting your time training in styles that have no effectiveness. Meanwhile I've trained in BJJ for just 18 months and have surpassed you. I'll choke you out if you try a spinkick on me.
We're annoyed at you because you aren't capable of articulating a logical point in this discussion. I cross-train in several arts including Karate, Ninjutsu, Judo, Wrestling and Muay Thai. Your 18 months of BJJ would get you knocked out like Elbe because I know how to grapple and sprawl but you don't know how to strike because you think it is useless.
It'll be the groundfighting that you rely on. The rest of the stuff you train is useless and you know it. You only keep up the training to make yourself feel better about the time and money you've already invested in learning striking. In any fight, whether in the ring or in the street only BJJ will work. kicking and punching is obsolete. The early UFC's proved this.
I told you MNJ, it's pointless and impossible to make such retards think, best we can do is laugh at them (there aren't many like this one mind you, this is the first specimen of such extreme stupidity I have encountered online lol). If someone can watch any number of MMA matches and think that "punches and kicks don't work, only bjj" they are beyond help or rational thought and most likely have not stepped in a dojo or gym their entire lives. Noboy is that stupid, except zirkakhan LMAO
If you want to see more of Zirk's lunacy head over to Bullshido forum where even some of those guys think he's nuts. I read a post where he said to beat up someone's female family members if they disapprove of you taking up Martial Arts. Hopefully he was kidding but after the crap he said here you never know.
Right, I was going to say that even the guys a Bullshido (BJJ nutriding central) would laugh at this absolute imbecile and mental case. "beat up someone's female family members" sounds like some arabic islamic fucking retard mentality, zirkakhan you a terrorist boy? Hey you piece of shit, BJJ may be the ultimate only if you strap a bomb to yourself you arabic piece of trash.
Red, is right Zirk. You're an idiot. I've tried to spell it out for you but you are beyond reason. You accused this video of being fake and keep babbling about "only BJJ works" when anyone who knows anything about MMA or trains knows that to be a Complete Martial Artist you must cross-train. If Royce Gracie fought Georges St. Pierre what would happen? Royce would get KTFO because GSP has mastered striking, sprawling and grappling. All Royce has is BJJ and that isn't enough anymore.
Time to apologize. I'm a shotokan practitioner. I hate "BJJ nutriders". This spinnig back kick shows timing and balance on an incredible level. A spin Back kick to a grappler is seldom attempted in MMA because of the chance of takedown. sorry for getting you guys going so bad, I started trolling and couldn't let it go. On another note, I am not an islamofacist, nor do i beat up female family members all that often.
I don't know what to make of you, Zirk. One thing is for sure, you do have a trolling problem. Your posts on Bullshido were so insane that it was obvious you were trolling. I don't allow trolling on my channel nor bigotry (the anti-Islamic comments) so everyone just relax and enjoy the videos.
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MrEddie2554 3 months ago
Those kicks he threw at 0:23 are ridicoulously slow for a pro mixed martial artist, i don't care if hes a grappler, i know guys who have been doing muay thai for just over a year who can throw those much faster than him.
paintman557 1 year ago
to all the guys going against bjj... im just gonna point out, Leonard Wilson is 4-5 in mma, with all 5 losses coming via submission. this proves that no matter how good of a striker you are, you will never succeed unless you learn other skills (or fight a complete scrub like this guy)
chrisliowknicksfan 1 year ago
I looked up leonard wilson and was surprised to find out that he had a 4-5 record. Turns out the dude has a really shitty ground game. If this guy found himslef a good bjj coach he'd be UFC bound.
paintman557 1 year ago
LOL fail woman announcer
first 30 seconds in round one " this IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FIGHT, NOT ALOT OF WRESTLINGOR GRAPPLING" cool.. 40 seconds in the fight.. neat
Sal1the1great 1 year ago
anche questo video e una cagada mettono sto leonard con uno che non capisce un cazzo di jujizu per favore !!!
rosiemiliamo 1 year ago
Ray Elbe ha ha ha
ozols2010 2 years ago
wow. that is one of the most amazing kicks i have ever seen!
therealgeeza 2 years ago
I been saw this fight but people keep saying he had a mma record above this so where are the rest of his fights?
tman229 2 years ago
lol what? You been saw this fight?
wtf
DrToker 2 years ago
yea it was label on youtube as something else but it's hard for me to find now.
tman229 2 years ago
thats what happens when a ground fighter actually fights someone in good shape with decent speed his ground attack only works good against a slug so they normally avoid martial artist in good shape.
fliptthescript 2 years ago
he is only an orange belt in american kenpo and a self proclained street fighter,he is absolutely not a black belt.trust me i trained him in phoenix under the speakman system and we are still good friends to this day.its true,he does not really have any ground skills,its kenpo. look up the speakman school in phoenix thats where he trained with me.we are now in maricopa at the world champions training centers.anything more just let me know.
cuzza32 3 years ago
Leonard Wilson is an orange belt in American Kenpo. Want to know anything truthful about him let me know. I was his instructor for many years.
cuzza32 3 years ago
Sure. What school did he train at for American Kenpo? Where did he train at to prepare for MMA?
Can you provide any evidence for his belt rank? I can't find much info on his Martial Arts background. Most sources I've seen say he's a Black Belt.
MysticNinjaJay 3 years ago 3
That cuzza32 guy is a liar. He's posting this crap on every Wilson video.
Hotora86 3 years ago
so sir im not. look up world champions training center. look up about then click instructors. i will be cornering him on nov.22 in tuscon, it will be a title fight. im tim cocuzza, nothing to hide. and hes not a celebrity, just another good fighter.
cuzza32 3 years ago
Then I'll be Mr. Troy Neemann. ^^
Seriously, that's no proof.
Hotora86 3 years ago
I forgot to post my lies on the other video. Kenpo Guy in the cage. This was his first fight. It gives the info on our school, which was at the YMCA back then. My bad, I'm still that liar though...
cuzza32 3 years ago
You really seem to care about what I say. That's sweet.
Hotora86 3 years ago
i see he just started fighting again
gunfighter964 3 years ago
Karate pwns.
Hotora86 3 years ago 2
Leonard wil son won his match today.He has improved.
OuterDrake7000 3 years ago
I still think leoanrd looks like a olympic taekwondo fighter. The wide stance, the feinting, the hand position, the stutter stepping footwork, ANd that kick perfect turning backkick tucked underneath him and bam straight to the target.
foxcompany 3 years ago
to bad leonards a third degree BB in american kempo
gunfighter964 3 years ago
where did you find that information i looked everywhere for his discipline. Couldn't find any thing. Definitely wouldn't of thought kempo. Doesn't remind me of any kempo fighters I've ever seen.
foxcompany 3 years ago
thats because he is GOOD rebecca. mmost kempo guys are crap. and coming from a kempo BB, thats a big deal.but i have heard of leonard thru word of mouth at seminars and such. he ended his career with a 2-4-1 record. his problem was that while his striking was excellent and his take down defense exceptional, he had little to no ground skill and as such all his losses were due to submission via no ground fighting
gunfighter964 3 years ago
its good to wacth that cocky punk get dominated in that way . thaks to who ever posted it .
phyllisinfl 3 years ago 2
Truely one of the sickest kicks I have ever seen performed. Right on target,straight to the grill and bang...He's done! Good shit!
23ant23 3 years ago 2
Every time I see Ray's "roundhouse" kicks, I laugh. His striking skill is laughable.
jwr12889 3 years ago
Ray is now living and training Muay Thai in Thailand.
He has a 22-11 pro record, with a recent KO win in Russia...
NakMuayThai 3 years ago
I like Wilson's footwork, 2bad he ended his career 2-4
lllAnimeKidlll 4 years ago
I have trained with Ray and wile i think he is a cock he is a very good fighter. Anyone saying punces dont work is a idiot
simpy111 4 years ago
that is olympic taekwondo!
foxcompany 4 years ago
This is obviously fake...everyone knows spinning back kicks never work in real life against grappling.
zirkakhan 4 years ago
What is the basis for your comment, Zirkakhan?
This is a real MMA fight. The SBK worked as it has many times in MMA, therefore it is real and you are wrong.
MysticNinjaJay 4 years ago
MMA has proven than kicks and punches don't work in "real" fights. The only accepted method of combat is BJJ style grappling. To win a knockout in kicking fashion is highly suspect.
zirkakhan 4 years ago
KICKS and PUNCHES do not work in a fight? I hope you mean by themselves because that is stupid. All MMA has proven is that grappling is an essential part of realistic combat. A Complete Martial Artist needs to be adept at striking and grappling to succeed in MMA. Many techniques are effective when used properly. Spinning Back Kicks are one of the most powerful strikes in Martial Arts. They work if you know how to use them.
MysticNinjaJay 4 years ago
Instead of assuming something you are unfamiliar with is fake you should learn more about the applicability of Martial Arts techniques. There's a good show airing on the history channel called Human Weapon, where they delve into the history of different styles and the techniques they use. I have many moves in my favorites from that show. Take some classes, read a book or watch a documentary. Don't just sit at the computer and believe everything you read or watch on the internet.
MysticNinjaJay 4 years ago
u tell em mysticninjajay. this dude obviously has no experience with stand up fighting.
hgrier3 4 years ago
Now if he had said that it takes a lot more work to train kicking skills to where they are fast enough to use with out sacrificing ur postion too much then i would be in agreement. But he didn't so yeah, u need to maybe try to have an open mind about martial arts. It is most skilled fighter who has the most heart who wins. It is never about the specific style. all these youtube videos showing all these different styles owning each other is proof.
hgrier3 4 years ago
Heavens, what stupidity! He was using backwards logic LOL : Everyone knows kicks don't work therefore this video must be fake!!! :-O
Hahahahahahahaaaa zirkakhan your stupidity is unbelievable...LMAO
redtortoise76 4 years ago 2
zirkakhan holy shit dude you are a raging MORON
redtortoise76 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
yeah..a lot of punks were talking like you in the early UFC's and they got shoked out. punches and kicks don't work inthe real world, only bjj.
zirkakhan 4 years ago
"punches and kicks don't work in the real world, only bjj" - zirkakhan
You know I could try to reason with you as with a sane being but for someone who has reached such a level of retardation as you have, nothing more can be done. You must have been dropped as a baby for sure LMAO
redtortoise76 4 years ago 4
@redtortoise76 BJJ is sick but your talking shit, ive seen many people get knocked out from a punch in a street fight, it seems this retardation is contagious, mma is the way forward not a solitary style
TOPDRAWDAVE 1 year ago
Zirk, I'm having a hard time believing that you understand the message in your posts when you write them. You are saying that PUNCHES and KICKS do not work in a real fight. Everyone who reads your posts interprets that as you saying you cannot hit someone in the face with your fists or feet. Any reasonable person would think you were nuts if you really meant that. Is that what you are saying? If not explain in more detail.
MysticNinjaJay 4 years ago
Yes Ninja, this is exactly what he's saying, I can see you're a nice guy and trying to help this idiot save face but the hard truth is some people are just that stupid. Hard to believe, I know, but true nonetheless...ugh
redtortoise76 4 years ago
I try to reserve judgment of people and give them a chance to explain their views. I try not to call anyone an idiot unless they are acting like complete assholes, then they must be put in their place. At best Zirk is a casual MMA fan who doesn't understand the intricacies of Martial Arts nor articulate his points very well. I've heard many MMA fans say that TMA are all flash and impractical which is what I think Zirk means but if he can't recognize the error in what he SAID he has issues.
MysticNinjaJay 4 years ago
what I'm saying is that it's a waste of time to train in punching and kicking or striking. Only grappling is effective. This video was a lucky shot, buy you couldn't consistently rely on that style of fighting. Good grapplers don't need to waste time striking, and video's like this do a disservice to MMA.
zirkakhan 4 years ago
How closely do you follow MMA? Cross-training is essential to MMA. Once strikers started learning a good takedown defense they began to knockout the grapplers and the grapplers had to learn to strike. Even Royce Gracie tried to learn more Muay Thai to prepare for Matt Hughes, but lost by GNP. Then in Hughes next fight he got KO'd from a high kick by George St. Pierre, a Karate expert. Modern MMArtists need grappling AND striking to be effective. Your comments do a disservice to MMA.
MysticNinjaJay 4 years ago
"it's a waste of time to train in punching and kicking or striking"
That is the stupidest, dumbest,idiotic, most retarded statement I have ever heard. And for him to keep sustaining this idiocy when he clearly had enough time to research (this doesn't even require research, a donkey with three legs and half a brain can figure this out) clearly shows that this zirkakhan character is a retarded moron of the lowest kind LMAO.
redtortoise76 4 years ago
Yeah, it's pathetic. I've encountered alot of keyboard warriors who believe that TMAs are useless but few people like Zirk that are so bad at articulating and backing up their views that they they make the most illogical claims. Any true MMA fan knows better than to say that grappling is the only effective form of combat and expresses the importance of cross-training before trashing any style. I gave him a chance. He simply can't make a logical point.
MysticNinjaJay 4 years ago
You guys are just mad that you've spent years wasting your time training in styles that have no effectiveness. Meanwhile I've trained in BJJ for just 18 months and have surpassed you. I'll choke you out if you try a spinkick on me.
zirkakhan 4 years ago
We're annoyed at you because you aren't capable of articulating a logical point in this discussion. I cross-train in several arts including Karate, Ninjutsu, Judo, Wrestling and Muay Thai. Your 18 months of BJJ would get you knocked out like Elbe because I know how to grapple and sprawl but you don't know how to strike because you think it is useless.
MysticNinjaJay 4 years ago
It'll be the groundfighting that you rely on. The rest of the stuff you train is useless and you know it. You only keep up the training to make yourself feel better about the time and money you've already invested in learning striking. In any fight, whether in the ring or in the street only BJJ will work. kicking and punching is obsolete. The early UFC's proved this.
zirkakhan 4 years ago
I told you MNJ, it's pointless and impossible to make such retards think, best we can do is laugh at them (there aren't many like this one mind you, this is the first specimen of such extreme stupidity I have encountered online lol). If someone can watch any number of MMA matches and think that "punches and kicks don't work, only bjj" they are beyond help or rational thought and most likely have not stepped in a dojo or gym their entire lives. Noboy is that stupid, except zirkakhan LMAO
redtortoise76 4 years ago 2
If you want to see more of Zirk's lunacy head over to Bullshido forum where even some of those guys think he's nuts. I read a post where he said to beat up someone's female family members if they disapprove of you taking up Martial Arts. Hopefully he was kidding but after the crap he said here you never know.
MysticNinjaJay 4 years ago
Right, I was going to say that even the guys a Bullshido (BJJ nutriding central) would laugh at this absolute imbecile and mental case. "beat up someone's female family members" sounds like some arabic islamic fucking retard mentality, zirkakhan you a terrorist boy? Hey you piece of shit, BJJ may be the ultimate only if you strap a bomb to yourself you arabic piece of trash.
redtortoise76 4 years ago
Red, is right Zirk. You're an idiot. I've tried to spell it out for you but you are beyond reason. You accused this video of being fake and keep babbling about "only BJJ works" when anyone who knows anything about MMA or trains knows that to be a Complete Martial Artist you must cross-train. If Royce Gracie fought Georges St. Pierre what would happen? Royce would get KTFO because GSP has mastered striking, sprawling and grappling. All Royce has is BJJ and that isn't enough anymore.
MysticNinjaJay 4 years ago
Time to apologize. I'm a shotokan practitioner. I hate "BJJ nutriders". This spinnig back kick shows timing and balance on an incredible level. A spin Back kick to a grappler is seldom attempted in MMA because of the chance of takedown. sorry for getting you guys going so bad, I started trolling and couldn't let it go. On another note, I am not an islamofacist, nor do i beat up female family members all that often.
zirkakhan 4 years ago
I don't know what to make of you, Zirk. One thing is for sure, you do have a trolling problem. Your posts on Bullshido were so insane that it was obvious you were trolling. I don't allow trolling on my channel nor bigotry (the anti-Islamic comments) so everyone just relax and enjoy the videos.
MysticNinjaJay 4 years ago
I am truly sorry for the harm I have done. My heart breaks for the delicate sensibilities of those I have wronged.
zirkakhan 4 years ago
@zirkakhan 2 years ago are you still that stupid?? from 2 years back get urself checked out
noodlez4me 1 year ago
@noodlez4me
I've gotten stupider. thank you, and please don't hesitate to play in traffic at your earliest convenience.
zirkakhan 1 year ago
o shit!!!!
chowany 4 years ago