Just clarifying something here, the "Moors" that took over Spain came from Morocco (mostly). However, it doesn't mean they're black. These people mixed with the Arabs. Only some Berber tribes are still African by ethnicity. Many modern day Moroccans are Arabs. They are actually under the Arab League if you look this up. Even Djibouti is under the arab league !
Thank you Bettany,thank you for a trip back in time.I missed it all,the great events in history.You look absolutely marvelous darling,stunning.A woman so unique in mind and physique.I love you Bettany !!! more ancient history please.
well -if youre looking to the Maures for some " black " identity Im not sure you´re doing yourself any favour since they werent that particular black, rathermore comparable to their local nowadays descendents in northern and northwestern Africa, though of quite varied genetic ethnicity generally most of them distinguishing themselves from " black " hence f ex the nowadays" maures" living in Mauritania having a strict hieacratic rank system recognizing their non-maure neighbours as " blacks "
nothing is surprising, mysterious, new, controversial, hot,shocking, weird, different,extrordinary, revolutionary,revealing or uproaring about the history of the presence of the Maures in the Iberian peninsula. It´s been among the most well described and largely investigated historical issues from a very litteral productive era and the Maures themselves being a major and key source.
The history of the Moors is held in high secrecy because there would be too many questions as to who were the Moors, and this would subsequently lead to other secretive information. But Moorish history is held in high secrecy the same way the ancient Kemetian (Egyptian), Olmec, etc. histories are secret to this day ... and its because each of these civilizations were "Black" people. And the truth has been the same for 2000 yrs., "Make it look like those niggas have no viable history." (FACT!)
@SiriusMoor9 nothing is held in secrecy -what´s this silly urban myth now ? every spanish and portuguese know their history and so does the rest of europe, large articles on wikipedia with informative maps with every desirable fact regarding years, historical,cultural, religious etc aspects on the whole issue are accessable to anyone. what are you on about ? Besides the Maures weren´t exactly " black", they were anscestors of todays berbs.Todays Maures infact distinguish " blacks" as non-Maures
@BongoBib Nothing is held in secrecy? "Are you serious?" And did you say, "WIKIPEDIA?" Hahaaaaa! Stop telling these jokes. I have actual documents from the Library of Congress, Allodial Land documents from the United Nations with detailed descriptions, de jure Case Law from a solvent Congress stating "Who are Moors", etc. We were denationalized to the status of 'BLACK' (not a nationality) by the 14th Amendment. "Do you know true history?" Take a look @ the SUNDRY FREE MOOR ACT as well.
@SiriusMoor9 I seriously do not understand what you are talking about but it seems that this has suddenly become a most popular topic to debate among americans with a certain racial or race - political agenda, just as you´re now mixing your 14th amendment into what was an argument on strictly historical reason onto which I was merely providing that nothing about the presence of the MAURES in the Iberian peninsula is clandestine, secret, hidden new or mysterious to the average european.
@SiriusMoor9 undeniable proof of WHAT ??? what the heck are you actually talking about ? All Im saying is there is no mystery, secret, anything hidden, not generally known, repressed information, lacking knowledge.. now how can I possibly express this any clearer or exquisit ? -not anything missing out, from either historybooks, educationional material, general accesable datas etc etc, atleast not to any of us at this side of the pond and hasn´t ever been !
@BongoBib "Are you retarded?" Now you know most of our elaborate ancient history is WASHED out of the modern school books. Most books start with BLACK HISTORY thus starting from SLAVERY and going forward, it doesn't give you any of our ancient cultures, structures, etc. The game this society uses is that of white washing ... attributing our accomplishments to 'WHITE' people that had no had in its creation. Writing themselves into places and times they did not exist and much more!
@SiriusMoor9 and I never wanted race to be an issue in all this. But as an European I can assure you that this Moor / Maure business is something we all know off and especially the spanish and portuguese living among the reminescense of their presence and influence in language, building styles, food,gardening, agriculture etc everyday.That was my initiating point of view here.But furthermore I believe it to be a misconception if attempting to draw false links between " black" and Moor history.
@BongoBib Your problem is thinking that everything you have been told is the truth! You think that Europeans discovered America, you think that Hippocrates (Greek) is the father of medicine, you think that Europeans had detailed maps of the cosmos (but yall thought the world was flat), you think that monkeys turned into humans (LOL), etc etc. I can go on and on about European theories because your society is based on them. There is no misconception just ignorance.
@SiriusMoor9 I think you´d better leave out your assumptions on my beliefs on this or that irrelevant matter since theyre so far not aired.If you´d like to participate in a sane debate on actual debatable terms there is but one way to distintcion rubbish from science and that is known as the empirical method and since youre not showing any attempts in order to let your outbursts be subordinate to this there will be no classification left other than than to label them ; myth, urban mythology !
@SiriusMoor9 the part where you try to establish a false consensus of some sort of conspiracy due to which the world has been kept unknowing about the era of the Maures in Iberia, which ofcourse is insane hilarious since it´s a 1300 year old well established historical fact and it´s implications in all sorts of decissions and considerations within the political and religious establishment throughout europe dure that time alone would easily fill truckloads of written material.
@BongoBib Why are you constantly referring to Iberia? The only fact you're missing is that the Moors were and are BLACK. This is common knowledge in schools abroad. Shakespeare's favorite was of course Othello. Check how is depicted. The Moors that are considered Berber or Arab come into existence further down the timeline. You you are correct about Europe, they have tons of statues all of the land showing who exactly the Moors were and are.
@SiriusMoor9 I´m refering to Iberia because, first of all because Bettany Hughes` documentary is about Iberia, and not the least because Iberia was the only part of European continent Moors ever gained any claims to.
@BongoBib The problem with your research is that you all like to begin your research by dissecting modern history instead of ancient history. Start from the beginning and work your way to contemporary history. Once you do this it will make it very hard for you to state that the Moors began as Arabs.
@SiriusMoor9 it will make it very hard for YOU to prove the opposite,What would be your sources ? it seems that your sources are all constituated in a BELIEF that ýou´d somuch like to persuade as a historical fact that your`re willing to sacrify any given scientific method or general accepted principals of research. Once determined that everyone around you is bewildered with wrongfull misconceptions or part of a conspiracy to surpress the " real " history of the " real " Moors.
@BongoBib HUH, LOL?!? 2 give U one piece of information that can be found here N the U.S. is the Sundry Free Moor Act. The Sundry Free Moor Act stated that the States could judge Free Moors under the Negro Act. The reason being because Negro, Black and Colored were terms given to slaves during the time of slavery. Moor or Moorish were the Proper nomens for us. We were denationalized by the STATES so that we could not tie ourselves back to our true lineages. Stop sticking you foot n your mouth!
@SiriusMoor9 as for the racial issue on this whole topic I think I´d like to refer to what the very accurate Wikipedia article on Othello has to tell regarding the question of race of this fictional figure ; There is no consensus over Othello's race. E.A.J. Honigmann, the editor of the Arden Shakespeare edition, concluded that Othello's race is ambiguous. "Renaissance representations of the Moor were vague, varied, inconsistent, and contradictory. ( continues..)
@BongoBib You are taking accounts of people that are European in nature. There have been very few European scientist and historians to give proper credit to the progenitors of ancient societies. And when those few Europeans do open their mouths they are ridiculed for their research because the Masonic goal is to whitewash ancient history.
@SiriusMoor9 There have infact, been an overwhelming tideflood of european scientists reporting on everything concerning everything, and that for the simple reason that throughout history europeans have up untill now and probably still when including the next century, been the majority of scientists, observing, describing, reporting and publishing according to the standards which are the requried to meet the methods of which empirical science is based upon.
@BongoBib You said the keyword "EUROPEAN". Every country knows the real Moors were Black. I really don't care what anybody that came after us says what we were and are. We were on the planet hundreds of thousands of years before you all were even born. So y would I listen to some theories when I have factual info. This is the reason why your people will go all over the planet killing the indigenous cultures because they hold the actual tablets, scrolls, etc. and can delete your theories.
@BongoBib Its funny how you will say that Othello was a fictional character but in the same breath will tell me Jesus was real, HILARIOUS. The fact still remains dude that the ORIGINAL Moors were African.
@SiriusMoor9 ..(continued). As critics have established, the term 'Moor' referred to dark-skinned people in general, used interchangeably with similarly ambiguous terms as 'African', "Ethiopian', 'Negro', and even 'Indian' to designate a figure from Africa (or beyond)."[12][13] Various uses of the word 'black' (for example, "Haply for I am black") are insufficient evidence for any accurate racial classification, Honigmann argues, since 'black' could simply mean 'swarthy' ( continues..)
@BongoBib Once again these are anthropological words used to identify melanated people created by Europeans. The word BLACK isn't a Nationality although it is a socio-political term used to keep melanated people in a certain jurisdiction and detached from the Family of Nations. BLACK is an adjective not a proper noun. You all listen to these quack pot historians and scientists, and none no what the hell they are talking about.
@SiriusMoor9 ..(continued) to Elizabethans. Iago twice uses the word 'Barbary' or 'Barbarian' to refer to Othello, seemingly referring to the Barbary coast inhabited by the "tawny" Moors. Roderigo calls Othello 'the thicklips', which seems to refer to European conceptions of Sub-Saharan African physiognomy, but Honigmann counters that, as these comments are all intended as insults by the characters, they need not be taken literally.( continues..)
@BongoBib Once again, listening to the quack-pots yet the historians that actually saw these people in the past will not be quoted. You would rather spew the interpretations of someone that has no idea, "HILARIOUS!" And another anthropological trick, "SUB-SAHARAN Africa. "What the hell is that?" You all constantly attempt to detach Egypt from Africa but that shit is ridiculous. So the more you repeat it, the more it is embedded in the minds of the people reading the bullshit. LOL!!
@SiriusMoor9 I cannot for natural reasons relate to or be concerned about what others might have said or not on theese issues, you should address the relevant respond to the relevant parties. I never mentioned anything about Sub-Saharan Africa or Egypt, and what is your point anyway ? What are YOUR scources ? what gave YOU the idea that there ever existed a tribe/ nation/ people calling themselves Moors and regarded themselves as BLACKS ? No accessable source seems to suggests this.
Michael Neill, editor of the Oxford Shakespeare edition, notes that the earliest critical references to Othello's colour, (Thomas Rymer's 1693 critique of the play, and the 1709 engraving in Nicholas Rowe's edition of Shakespeare), assume him to be Sub-Saharan, while the earliest known North African interpretation was not until Edmund Kean's production of 1814.[15] Honigmann discusses the view that Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud ben Mohammed Anoun, .. ( continues )
@SiriusMoor9 very relevant as respond to your own hilarious idea of bringing the fictional character of Othello into debate, supposedly as an argument for support of the racial origin of the moors. You emphasized that the tradition generally has been to depict him as a black. Furthermore there is nothing wrong about refering to wikipedia, if you knew a little about how theese articles infact are put together you´d maybe respect them a little more. I chose wikipedia over myth and speculations.
@SiriusMoor9 ( continued ..) Moorish ambassador of the Arab King of Barbary to Queen Elizabeth I in 1600, was one inspiration for Othello. He stayed with his retinue in London for several months and occasioned much discussion. While Shakespeare's play was written only a few years afterwards Honigman questions the view that ben Messaoud himself was a significant influence on it.[
@SiriusMoor9 Just as people living among the reminiscences of that era on a daily basis,the inhabitants of Spain and Portugal, ofcourse are witnessing,understanding and carrying the special heritage that was passed on to them as so many cultural features are still a living part of their daily lives; Words and names,Food,Architechture,Gardening,Musical influences etc. Also I find it myth to try to establish false entanglement between 8th century Maure history and nowadays American "black" history
@BongoBib Are you telling information you have research or some shit you put together? In the 7th century 95% of Europeans were HIGHLY illiterate, this includes the Kings and Queens. You all were shitted and pissing outdoors. The reason this information is being blocked out is the same reason ancient Kemetic, Dogon, Zulu, Olmec, etc history is BLACKED!! It must be WHITEWASHED before it can inserted in academia. This is a major reason so many blank spots can be found in your history.
@SiriusMoor9 as we both are aware, 99,99 % of the history of human beings, 95 of the population have been highly illiterate, so nothing new there, and ofcourse taking in consideration sources of written material means that any given source must belong to the aristocracy, which though normally wouldn´t disfavour or disqualify it from a historicians point of view, par se on the contrary in fact.
@BongoBib No time in history has a civilization attempted to delete a entire culture from the map late in this day and age. 90% of Europeans were highly illiterate up until the late 1700s. I do not state thing to hurt people's feeling nor do I wish to make up shit, therefore I can only give you info that I know is factual. Africans and people of African descent had to be tortured and enslaved in order to make the illiterate and dumb to the facts.
@SiriusMoor9 William Shakespeare lived from 1564 to 1616 in England, thus parted from maure Iberian era not only by centuries time but aswell by considerable geografical distance,by far disqualifying him as any reliable witness, not to mention that Othello ( written 1603 ) ofcourse, was a fictional figure he took from an italian writer, Cinthio`s tale ; Un Capitano Moro ( 1565)
@BongoBib I find it quite funny that you all like to pick out fictional characters when it benefits you. European history is over 70% fabricated and this includes the religions. "Do you care to dispute this fact?" You know no man named Jesus existed either yet you will fight me tooth and limb to say that he existed. And to add to that, yes, Othello was a fictional character however this does not delineate from the fact that the original Moors were and are BLACK.
@SiriusMoor9 I´m entirely responding to what YOU yourself brought up, YOU chose to focus on the fictional character of Othello, I found that ridiculous and my respond shows how and why.
@BongoBib Over 65% of European culture and up to 85% of Greek history has been fabricated. These are FACTS!!! Do you really know what you think you know? Are you sure, LOL?
@SiriusMoor9 .. ( Quotation ended . ) Now, if you then turn your attention to the neat depiction of abovementioned Mr Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud ben Mohammed Anoun in that same article, you´ll find a picture of man who´s appearance in all it´s features be summing up everything we´d normally associate with that of a mid-eastern, an Arab or a northafrican/ saudiarabian nomade, and nothing close to what would be considered " black ".
@BongoBib I am not saying that there aren't any Arab Moors. Arabs are a mixed Semitic culture consisting of African bloodline. These are facts! The original Moors once again are BLACK. The term Moor predate Islam, Arab cultures, etc. Why are you constantly referring back to Arabs when no one is disputing the fact that there are Arab Moors too. I can give you numerous accounts of actual people that lived during those times that say that the Moors were as BLACK as INK.
@SiriusMoor9 we are entirely debating the presence of Moors in Iberia, and we do that for the one reason that they were the only ones to ever gain any claims of superiority on the european continent, and because as I stated it before, this video is about that time and their era, and because that´s what youre on about ; the idea that some moor regime has at some time ( other than the Iberian era ?? )had superior power and reigned as a nobility in Europe.
@SiriusMoor9 your internal american business and agendas on this issue seem to me and the average expected recipant of this video completely and utterly IRRELEVANT, I repeat that to spanish, portuguese or most other europeans the Presence of the Maures in Iberia has always been standard material in history-classes and we have always known about theese things.Im not telling any jokes, and yes Wikipedia as well as zilions of other articles and books is loaded with accurate info on this topic !
@BongoBib Look credibility to not requisite in this society, and that is a FACT! Nothing of any significance is told the public. Think about it, you all are a conglomerate of people that think Columbus discovered a landmass that was already inhabited by millions of people, and then grade train oops I mean teach kids this. I can give you thousands upon thousands of these ridiculous scenarios. You more than likely don't even know why the U.S. is having the problems its having now.
@BongoBib Accurate based on who? As I asked before, "Who do you have that is willing to sign their name to it as a FACT! You can right a book and if 30000 other Europeans identify with it, its your truth, but it isn't based on FACTS only laced with factual places. As I said, I have documents that have been hidden for centuries. You have a book that was probably written by a European probably within the last 50 years that can't give you anything but his interpretation, LOL!!
@SiriusMoor9 I still do not get your point, but I have still more clear hunch that you´re all about some internal american racial issue. No I´m not refering to books written within the past 50 years, as I´m trying to let you understand, we actually live in and with history nobody here are un awares of the presence of the Maures in Iberia, and books and scriptures have been around ever since their presence/ coexistence, many of them written by maures, concerning everything from poetry to science
@BongoBib I was been sarcastic! What I was being sarcastic about is that race in itself is a social construct or another box to place you in to eventually bring you under a certain jurisdiction, or in other words control you. There is only one so-called race of people on the planet and that is Hu-man.
@SiriusMoor9 it´s obvious that the history of the Maures in Iberia has now suddenly become a new battleground on which americans can have their internal racial political arguments aired on a, from their point-of-view new and exotic foundation, and with their lack of historical sense can throw in any weird myth and argument or entangle 8th century European-North african affairs with nowadays American race or legislative situation.This video is about history,not about myths or speculations.
@BongoBib I among others have actual lawful documents, mandates, etc. stating the truth. So there is really nothing to debate. You see all this economic calamities happening across the globe and here but you are unaware of the transition taking place. White supremacy has really messed some of your heads up to the point its locked into your internal programming. The truth needs no defending, "You will see!"
The subsequent process of Islamic and oriental acculturation that took place in the peninsula between the eighth and tenth centuries is one of the most fascinating if obscure developments in all Hispanic history. It was accomplished, first of all, by means of CULTURAL DIFFUSION AND CONVERSION, NOT BY MASS MIGRATION." - Stanley G. Payne, "Spanish Catholicism: An Historical Overview", Univ of Wisconsin Press, 1984. pp. 5-6.
In other words: the bulk of Muslims in Spain = native converts
"Most of the peninsula's population failed to glimpse the decisive importance of what at first appeared to be a rather superficial politico-military takeover. The Muslims were so few in number, and the genuine Arabs fewer yet, that they could not easily have been recognized as the vanguard of a definitive change in culture and civilization.... (Continues)
This "OliveirAndrada" is a dishonest, lying and resentful Italo-Brazilian dumbass troll who keeps spamming videos about Spain with endless nonsense and lies. There was never any "mass migration" of any "Moors" to the Iberian Peninsula:
@OliveirAndrada OK.... "Spain has no white people" I am sorry I did not know I was speaking to a delusional person. what are you saying then they are mulattoos sorry caucasoid they can not claim us any more they kicked us out but now want to claim African history.They are probly related to the goths and romans I am an
African "American" and those people are not me Stop mind fucking yourself
@OliveirAndrada let me ask you do you even know what the word sephardic mean
I do not think you understand what you are saying yourself
OliveirAndrada-"LOL! Spain is a non-white north african nation"
OliveirAndrada-"North Africans are caucasians"
I think I remember saying you were delusional. Since you say spain is not white how are you going to skip spain and say they are not caucasian and say the Arabs in Africa are caucasians I do not mind I know it is Lowself esteem and Hating on Africans
@OliveirAndrada my bad you caucasoid I call caucasians caucasoid because I am Civil enough to call people what they proudly call themselvs Caucasian Anthrapologist named themselves Caucasian and said that above the caucasus region is the lands they are indiginous to. I get sick at the sight of a devil but I am civil enough to call yall what you call yourself Negroid Mongoloid was not created by Asians and Africans its a slander by 1800's Nazi caucasian anthrapoligist
@BamaBoy205SR Well, yes, those are devil-creatures, all white people are. And the definition of caucasoid is arbitrary, it's not because some lousy racist scholar made up a word to define a type of people he considered more beautiful that I will believe his classifications. But you cannot deny that arabs, persians, etc are caucasoid and not any other type. And spaniards are the same as iraquis, morrocans and argelians.
@OliveirAndrada If Spain is "genetically and culturally" North African, what would that make Italy, a country less genetically distant to the mid east and Berbers than Spain?
Reading your posts, it shows that you hate Arabs, Berbers, Jews, and even Gypsies. Whoa!
@MoneysnHoneys Don't project your hatreds onto me. Go flag people.
Italy is a typical white european nation. Spain is a north african beige country. Why does it bother you so much, why do you hate north africa so much?
@OliveirAndrada If you lie about someone's heritage, they will get pissed. Go troll Scandinavians about how they're not truly Europe but Asian mongol inhabitants in Europe.
If Italy is white, then so is Spain. In fact, you wouldn't even tell them apart most of the time. And you know this, you just hate Spain because you're an idiot.
@MoneysnHoneys cry cry cry, that's so typical of you. I won't say that about scandinavians because it isn't true. I only care about truth and facts. Such as the fact that spaniards are not white.
Italy is a white nation, it wasn't occupied by moors for almost 800 years. That's Spain, the moorish nation of the iberian peninsula. LOL!
@OliveirAndrada Granada was occupied for almost 800 years, not all of Spain. You won't be able to consistently tell apart a local from Granada from a local of Venice, Italy... moron.
@OliveirAndrada an Arab came to blacks in America by the name of Farad muhhmad He did not say he was a caucasian he said we were his uncle and he said "ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE DEVIL." THIS COME FROM UP HIGH OR AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT SOME ISLAMIC SECTS THINK FARAD MUHHAMAD was a turk "it is funny i think turkish arabs are the most racist against blacks at least on the internet odell was cool as hell he is the only turk i knew." i geuss we are the brothers of hagi she was African
@BamaBoy205SR White people are evil and take advantage of brown people. Look at Spain's history, they achieved some of the greatest non-white empires ever with their moorish technologies, but the british invented a banking system that made the brown spaniards dependent on the white men's greed.
Spaniards are similar to turks too. They are non-white black hating, you are right on that one, but it only makes them seem even dumber.
@OliveirAndrada yes my ancesters gave spain a lot of culture and education but hell they paid us back by the Alhambra decree 1492 and kicked us into slave ships and sent us to the "new world" the same dam year we showed columbus how to get hear
@BamaBoy205SR No, thats what history books say, but the races mixed and that is why spaniards are not the same as the rest of europe. They are darker, it's a sign of admixture, and it made easier to spaniards to build racially mixed societies in latin america. Spaniards love to mix because they are themselves a mix of moors and gypsies.
North Africa belongs to the Moors and the Moors are in the United states for the most part because of the alhambra decree that sold them and the Ladinos into slavery in the U.S so Africa is Africa and Modern spain is not part of my culture Ancient spain was but not these children of romans and germanic goths who live there now
True the original people of spain were not caucasians hell all caucasians"whites" come from the caucasus and above so this is not to shocking what you are saying but you are confused you forgot that the spainish went thru ethnic genocide from romans and then the Goths it took millinea to kill off and kick out all real spainish people but Africa is not in europe and i worry about people who try to place Europeon nations in Africa because that is delusional
The only dumbass trying to desperately and stupidly deny all the evidence (even including that found in this documentary, another of your "sources", LOL!) that has refuted your retarded self-exposed Italo-Brazilian arse (imagine that, an Italo-Brazilian babbling about "Moors", "North Africans" and "nonwhites", LOL!) is you, jackass
@CazadorDeZopencos LOL! I am a black man, but if your mind gets at ease by thinking I am part of the italo-brazilians who persecute you in your sleep, that's fine with me. Spain is North Africa, no matter what you say.
@hoselui The funny thing is that he is an Italo-Brazilian multi-account troll and yet has the nerve to pretend that Spain is "North Africa", LOL!
In fact, not even this documentary agrees with his bullshit. They clearly say that the Reconquista was basically a civil war between Spaniards of different faiths (meaning: most Muslim people in Spain were not "Moors" but just Spaniards who converted to Islam.)
@OliveiraAndrada Unfortunately for your retarded spamming arse, no, Spain is not "North Africa", and no evidence, historical, geographic, anthropological, or genetic, supports such nonsense. And yes, Spaniards are white and European. Your dumb little trolling plan, which you already clearly delineated with your pppaulo1 account, does not work.
@BamaBoy205SR Moors were dark caucasians, not negroids. But they are darker skinned and more rugged, which conferred the current look of the spanish people. Have you noticed how they look darker than the rest of europe?
@OliveiraAndrada You are not aware of reality that is not cool you place spain In Africa is delusional being African is mighty imortant to caucasians I will say this spain does have African ties being that the indiginous people of spain migrated from Africa but after the goths invaded they went thru ethnic cleansing as if the romans were not doing it enough
The moors&ladinos were sold into the americas from spain when qeen izabella of spain ordeered the alahambra decree in 1492 Dumb Caucasoid
Hell columbus did not find the new world Moors only showed columbus a path Africans had been sailing for millinea In every genocide their are Bennidict Arnolds
Just clarifying something here, the "Moors" that took over Spain came from Morocco (mostly). However, it doesn't mean they're black. These people mixed with the Arabs. Only some Berber tribes are still African by ethnicity. Many modern day Moroccans are Arabs. They are actually under the Arab League if you look this up. Even Djibouti is under the arab league !
azaher91 4 months ago
Christianity vs. Islam... Two evil faiths, both destined to die in a couple centuries...
leegeorgeson 5 months ago
@leegeorgeson Wow you really sound like a jolly person ey? As the saying goes, it takes one to know one :)
azaher91 4 months ago
Thanks for uploading this!
otakingkohkun 8 months ago
Thank you Bettany,thank you for a trip back in time.I missed it all,the great events in history.You look absolutely marvelous darling,stunning.A woman so unique in mind and physique.I love you Bettany !!! more ancient history please.
KomLoSeungMeung69 9 months ago
well -if youre looking to the Maures for some " black " identity Im not sure you´re doing yourself any favour since they werent that particular black, rathermore comparable to their local nowadays descendents in northern and northwestern Africa, though of quite varied genetic ethnicity generally most of them distinguishing themselves from " black " hence f ex the nowadays" maures" living in Mauritania having a strict hieacratic rank system recognizing their non-maure neighbours as " blacks "
BongoBib 1 year ago
nothing is surprising, mysterious, new, controversial, hot,shocking, weird, different,extrordinary, revolutionary,revealing or uproaring about the history of the presence of the Maures in the Iberian peninsula. It´s been among the most well described and largely investigated historical issues from a very litteral productive era and the Maures themselves being a major and key source.
BongoBib 1 year ago
The history of the Moors is held in high secrecy because there would be too many questions as to who were the Moors, and this would subsequently lead to other secretive information. But Moorish history is held in high secrecy the same way the ancient Kemetian (Egyptian), Olmec, etc. histories are secret to this day ... and its because each of these civilizations were "Black" people. And the truth has been the same for 2000 yrs., "Make it look like those niggas have no viable history." (FACT!)
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 nothing is held in secrecy -what´s this silly urban myth now ? every spanish and portuguese know their history and so does the rest of europe, large articles on wikipedia with informative maps with every desirable fact regarding years, historical,cultural, religious etc aspects on the whole issue are accessable to anyone. what are you on about ? Besides the Maures weren´t exactly " black", they were anscestors of todays berbs.Todays Maures infact distinguish " blacks" as non-Maures
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib Nothing is held in secrecy? "Are you serious?" And did you say, "WIKIPEDIA?" Hahaaaaa! Stop telling these jokes. I have actual documents from the Library of Congress, Allodial Land documents from the United Nations with detailed descriptions, de jure Case Law from a solvent Congress stating "Who are Moors", etc. We were denationalized to the status of 'BLACK' (not a nationality) by the 14th Amendment. "Do you know true history?" Take a look @ the SUNDRY FREE MOOR ACT as well.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 I seriously do not understand what you are talking about but it seems that this has suddenly become a most popular topic to debate among americans with a certain racial or race - political agenda, just as you´re now mixing your 14th amendment into what was an argument on strictly historical reason onto which I was merely providing that nothing about the presence of the MAURES in the Iberian peninsula is clandestine, secret, hidden new or mysterious to the average european.
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib And I told you I have undeniable PROOF! Nuff said ....
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 undeniable proof of WHAT ??? what the heck are you actually talking about ? All Im saying is there is no mystery, secret, anything hidden, not generally known, repressed information, lacking knowledge.. now how can I possibly express this any clearer or exquisit ? -not anything missing out, from either historybooks, educationional material, general accesable datas etc etc, atleast not to any of us at this side of the pond and hasn´t ever been !
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib "Are you retarded?" Now you know most of our elaborate ancient history is WASHED out of the modern school books. Most books start with BLACK HISTORY thus starting from SLAVERY and going forward, it doesn't give you any of our ancient cultures, structures, etc. The game this society uses is that of white washing ... attributing our accomplishments to 'WHITE' people that had no had in its creation. Writing themselves into places and times they did not exist and much more!
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 and I never wanted race to be an issue in all this. But as an European I can assure you that this Moor / Maure business is something we all know off and especially the spanish and portuguese living among the reminescense of their presence and influence in language, building styles, food,gardening, agriculture etc everyday.That was my initiating point of view here.But furthermore I believe it to be a misconception if attempting to draw false links between " black" and Moor history.
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib Your problem is thinking that everything you have been told is the truth! You think that Europeans discovered America, you think that Hippocrates (Greek) is the father of medicine, you think that Europeans had detailed maps of the cosmos (but yall thought the world was flat), you think that monkeys turned into humans (LOL), etc etc. I can go on and on about European theories because your society is based on them. There is no misconception just ignorance.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 I think you´d better leave out your assumptions on my beliefs on this or that irrelevant matter since theyre so far not aired.If you´d like to participate in a sane debate on actual debatable terms there is but one way to distintcion rubbish from science and that is known as the empirical method and since youre not showing any attempts in order to let your outbursts be subordinate to this there will be no classification left other than than to label them ; myth, urban mythology !
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib LMAO!!!!! "What part of what I said was a myth? LOL!!
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 the part where you try to establish a false consensus of some sort of conspiracy due to which the world has been kept unknowing about the era of the Maures in Iberia, which ofcourse is insane hilarious since it´s a 1300 year old well established historical fact and it´s implications in all sorts of decissions and considerations within the political and religious establishment throughout europe dure that time alone would easily fill truckloads of written material.
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib Why are you constantly referring to Iberia? The only fact you're missing is that the Moors were and are BLACK. This is common knowledge in schools abroad. Shakespeare's favorite was of course Othello. Check how is depicted. The Moors that are considered Berber or Arab come into existence further down the timeline. You you are correct about Europe, they have tons of statues all of the land showing who exactly the Moors were and are.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 I´m refering to Iberia because, first of all because Bettany Hughes` documentary is about Iberia, and not the least because Iberia was the only part of European continent Moors ever gained any claims to.
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib The problem with your research is that you all like to begin your research by dissecting modern history instead of ancient history. Start from the beginning and work your way to contemporary history. Once you do this it will make it very hard for you to state that the Moors began as Arabs.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 it will make it very hard for YOU to prove the opposite,What would be your sources ? it seems that your sources are all constituated in a BELIEF that ýou´d somuch like to persuade as a historical fact that your`re willing to sacrify any given scientific method or general accepted principals of research. Once determined that everyone around you is bewildered with wrongfull misconceptions or part of a conspiracy to surpress the " real " history of the " real " Moors.
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib HUH, LOL?!? 2 give U one piece of information that can be found here N the U.S. is the Sundry Free Moor Act. The Sundry Free Moor Act stated that the States could judge Free Moors under the Negro Act. The reason being because Negro, Black and Colored were terms given to slaves during the time of slavery. Moor or Moorish were the Proper nomens for us. We were denationalized by the STATES so that we could not tie ourselves back to our true lineages. Stop sticking you foot n your mouth!
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 as for the racial issue on this whole topic I think I´d like to refer to what the very accurate Wikipedia article on Othello has to tell regarding the question of race of this fictional figure ; There is no consensus over Othello's race. E.A.J. Honigmann, the editor of the Arden Shakespeare edition, concluded that Othello's race is ambiguous. "Renaissance representations of the Moor were vague, varied, inconsistent, and contradictory. ( continues..)
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib You are taking accounts of people that are European in nature. There have been very few European scientist and historians to give proper credit to the progenitors of ancient societies. And when those few Europeans do open their mouths they are ridiculed for their research because the Masonic goal is to whitewash ancient history.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 There have infact, been an overwhelming tideflood of european scientists reporting on everything concerning everything, and that for the simple reason that throughout history europeans have up untill now and probably still when including the next century, been the majority of scientists, observing, describing, reporting and publishing according to the standards which are the requried to meet the methods of which empirical science is based upon.
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib You said the keyword "EUROPEAN". Every country knows the real Moors were Black. I really don't care what anybody that came after us says what we were and are. We were on the planet hundreds of thousands of years before you all were even born. So y would I listen to some theories when I have factual info. This is the reason why your people will go all over the planet killing the indigenous cultures because they hold the actual tablets, scrolls, etc. and can delete your theories.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@BongoBib Its funny how you will say that Othello was a fictional character but in the same breath will tell me Jesus was real, HILARIOUS. The fact still remains dude that the ORIGINAL Moors were African.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago 2
@SiriusMoor9 ..(continued). As critics have established, the term 'Moor' referred to dark-skinned people in general, used interchangeably with similarly ambiguous terms as 'African', "Ethiopian', 'Negro', and even 'Indian' to designate a figure from Africa (or beyond)."[12][13] Various uses of the word 'black' (for example, "Haply for I am black") are insufficient evidence for any accurate racial classification, Honigmann argues, since 'black' could simply mean 'swarthy' ( continues..)
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib Once again these are anthropological words used to identify melanated people created by Europeans. The word BLACK isn't a Nationality although it is a socio-political term used to keep melanated people in a certain jurisdiction and detached from the Family of Nations. BLACK is an adjective not a proper noun. You all listen to these quack pot historians and scientists, and none no what the hell they are talking about.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 ..(continued) to Elizabethans. Iago twice uses the word 'Barbary' or 'Barbarian' to refer to Othello, seemingly referring to the Barbary coast inhabited by the "tawny" Moors. Roderigo calls Othello 'the thicklips', which seems to refer to European conceptions of Sub-Saharan African physiognomy, but Honigmann counters that, as these comments are all intended as insults by the characters, they need not be taken literally.( continues..)
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib Once again, listening to the quack-pots yet the historians that actually saw these people in the past will not be quoted. You would rather spew the interpretations of someone that has no idea, "HILARIOUS!" And another anthropological trick, "SUB-SAHARAN Africa. "What the hell is that?" You all constantly attempt to detach Egypt from Africa but that shit is ridiculous. So the more you repeat it, the more it is embedded in the minds of the people reading the bullshit. LOL!!
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 I cannot for natural reasons relate to or be concerned about what others might have said or not on theese issues, you should address the relevant respond to the relevant parties. I never mentioned anything about Sub-Saharan Africa or Egypt, and what is your point anyway ? What are YOUR scources ? what gave YOU the idea that there ever existed a tribe/ nation/ people calling themselves Moors and regarded themselves as BLACKS ? No accessable source seems to suggests this.
BongoBib 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9
( continued.. )
Michael Neill, editor of the Oxford Shakespeare edition, notes that the earliest critical references to Othello's colour, (Thomas Rymer's 1693 critique of the play, and the 1709 engraving in Nicholas Rowe's edition of Shakespeare), assume him to be Sub-Saharan, while the earliest known North African interpretation was not until Edmund Kean's production of 1814.[15] Honigmann discusses the view that Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud ben Mohammed Anoun, .. ( continues )
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib ... irrelevant Wikipedia info ....
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 very relevant as respond to your own hilarious idea of bringing the fictional character of Othello into debate, supposedly as an argument for support of the racial origin of the moors. You emphasized that the tradition generally has been to depict him as a black. Furthermore there is nothing wrong about refering to wikipedia, if you knew a little about how theese articles infact are put together you´d maybe respect them a little more. I chose wikipedia over myth and speculations.
BongoBib 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 ( continued ..) Moorish ambassador of the Arab King of Barbary to Queen Elizabeth I in 1600, was one inspiration for Othello. He stayed with his retinue in London for several months and occasioned much discussion. While Shakespeare's play was written only a few years afterwards Honigman questions the view that ben Messaoud himself was a significant influence on it.[
BongoBib 1 year ago
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@BongoBib ... irrelevant Wikipedia info ....
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 Just as people living among the reminiscences of that era on a daily basis,the inhabitants of Spain and Portugal, ofcourse are witnessing,understanding and carrying the special heritage that was passed on to them as so many cultural features are still a living part of their daily lives; Words and names,Food,Architechture,Gardening,Musical influences etc. Also I find it myth to try to establish false entanglement between 8th century Maure history and nowadays American "black" history
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib Are you telling information you have research or some shit you put together? In the 7th century 95% of Europeans were HIGHLY illiterate, this includes the Kings and Queens. You all were shitted and pissing outdoors. The reason this information is being blocked out is the same reason ancient Kemetic, Dogon, Zulu, Olmec, etc history is BLACKED!! It must be WHITEWASHED before it can inserted in academia. This is a major reason so many blank spots can be found in your history.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 as we both are aware, 99,99 % of the history of human beings, 95 of the population have been highly illiterate, so nothing new there, and ofcourse taking in consideration sources of written material means that any given source must belong to the aristocracy, which though normally wouldn´t disfavour or disqualify it from a historicians point of view, par se on the contrary in fact.
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib No time in history has a civilization attempted to delete a entire culture from the map late in this day and age. 90% of Europeans were highly illiterate up until the late 1700s. I do not state thing to hurt people's feeling nor do I wish to make up shit, therefore I can only give you info that I know is factual. Africans and people of African descent had to be tortured and enslaved in order to make the illiterate and dumb to the facts.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 William Shakespeare lived from 1564 to 1616 in England, thus parted from maure Iberian era not only by centuries time but aswell by considerable geografical distance,by far disqualifying him as any reliable witness, not to mention that Othello ( written 1603 ) ofcourse, was a fictional figure he took from an italian writer, Cinthio`s tale ; Un Capitano Moro ( 1565)
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib I find it quite funny that you all like to pick out fictional characters when it benefits you. European history is over 70% fabricated and this includes the religions. "Do you care to dispute this fact?" You know no man named Jesus existed either yet you will fight me tooth and limb to say that he existed. And to add to that, yes, Othello was a fictional character however this does not delineate from the fact that the original Moors were and are BLACK.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 I´m entirely responding to what YOU yourself brought up, YOU chose to focus on the fictional character of Othello, I found that ridiculous and my respond shows how and why.
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib Over 65% of European culture and up to 85% of Greek history has been fabricated. These are FACTS!!! Do you really know what you think you know? Are you sure, LOL?
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 .. ( Quotation ended . ) Now, if you then turn your attention to the neat depiction of abovementioned Mr Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud ben Mohammed Anoun in that same article, you´ll find a picture of man who´s appearance in all it´s features be summing up everything we´d normally associate with that of a mid-eastern, an Arab or a northafrican/ saudiarabian nomade, and nothing close to what would be considered " black ".
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib I am not saying that there aren't any Arab Moors. Arabs are a mixed Semitic culture consisting of African bloodline. These are facts! The original Moors once again are BLACK. The term Moor predate Islam, Arab cultures, etc. Why are you constantly referring back to Arabs when no one is disputing the fact that there are Arab Moors too. I can give you numerous accounts of actual people that lived during those times that say that the Moors were as BLACK as INK.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 we are entirely debating the presence of Moors in Iberia, and we do that for the one reason that they were the only ones to ever gain any claims of superiority on the european continent, and because as I stated it before, this video is about that time and their era, and because that´s what youre on about ; the idea that some moor regime has at some time ( other than the Iberian era ?? )had superior power and reigned as a nobility in Europe.
BongoBib 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 your internal american business and agendas on this issue seem to me and the average expected recipant of this video completely and utterly IRRELEVANT, I repeat that to spanish, portuguese or most other europeans the Presence of the Maures in Iberia has always been standard material in history-classes and we have always known about theese things.Im not telling any jokes, and yes Wikipedia as well as zilions of other articles and books is loaded with accurate info on this topic !
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib Look credibility to not requisite in this society, and that is a FACT! Nothing of any significance is told the public. Think about it, you all are a conglomerate of people that think Columbus discovered a landmass that was already inhabited by millions of people, and then grade train oops I mean teach kids this. I can give you thousands upon thousands of these ridiculous scenarios. You more than likely don't even know why the U.S. is having the problems its having now.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@BongoBib Accurate based on who? As I asked before, "Who do you have that is willing to sign their name to it as a FACT! You can right a book and if 30000 other Europeans identify with it, its your truth, but it isn't based on FACTS only laced with factual places. As I said, I have documents that have been hidden for centuries. You have a book that was probably written by a European probably within the last 50 years that can't give you anything but his interpretation, LOL!!
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 I still do not get your point, but I have still more clear hunch that you´re all about some internal american racial issue. No I´m not refering to books written within the past 50 years, as I´m trying to let you understand, we actually live in and with history nobody here are un awares of the presence of the Maures in Iberia, and books and scriptures have been around ever since their presence/ coexistence, many of them written by maures, concerning everything from poetry to science
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib "What part of what I said was racial?" LOL!!
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 do you at all understand the meaning of the word racial ? - it means regarding matters concerning race issues !
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib I was been sarcastic! What I was being sarcastic about is that race in itself is a social construct or another box to place you in to eventually bring you under a certain jurisdiction, or in other words control you. There is only one so-called race of people on the planet and that is Hu-man.
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
@SiriusMoor9 it´s obvious that the history of the Maures in Iberia has now suddenly become a new battleground on which americans can have their internal racial political arguments aired on a, from their point-of-view new and exotic foundation, and with their lack of historical sense can throw in any weird myth and argument or entangle 8th century European-North african affairs with nowadays American race or legislative situation.This video is about history,not about myths or speculations.
BongoBib 1 year ago
@BongoBib I among others have actual lawful documents, mandates, etc. stating the truth. So there is really nothing to debate. You see all this economic calamities happening across the globe and here but you are unaware of the transition taking place. White supremacy has really messed some of your heads up to the point its locked into your internal programming. The truth needs no defending, "You will see!"
SiriusMoor9 1 year ago
The subsequent process of Islamic and oriental acculturation that took place in the peninsula between the eighth and tenth centuries is one of the most fascinating if obscure developments in all Hispanic history. It was accomplished, first of all, by means of CULTURAL DIFFUSION AND CONVERSION, NOT BY MASS MIGRATION." - Stanley G. Payne, "Spanish Catholicism: An Historical Overview", Univ of Wisconsin Press, 1984. pp. 5-6.
In other words: the bulk of Muslims in Spain = native converts
CazadorDeZopencos 1 year ago
"Most of the peninsula's population failed to glimpse the decisive importance of what at first appeared to be a rather superficial politico-military takeover. The Muslims were so few in number, and the genuine Arabs fewer yet, that they could not easily have been recognized as the vanguard of a definitive change in culture and civilization.... (Continues)
CazadorDeZopencos 1 year ago
This "OliveirAndrada" is a dishonest, lying and resentful Italo-Brazilian dumbass troll who keeps spamming videos about Spain with endless nonsense and lies. There was never any "mass migration" of any "Moors" to the Iberian Peninsula:
CazadorDeZopencos 1 year ago
*you STILL won't able to consistently tell apart...
MoneysnHoneys 1 year ago
@OliveirAndrada OK.... "Spain has no white people" I am sorry I did not know I was speaking to a delusional person. what are you saying then they are mulattoos sorry caucasoid they can not claim us any more they kicked us out but now want to claim African history.They are probly related to the goths and romans I am an
African "American" and those people are not me Stop mind fucking yourself
BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago
@BamaBoy205SR North Africans are caucasian: spaniards descend from berbers, sephardic jews, and these communities, not from sub-saharan africans.
That's why spain is essentially african.
OliveirAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveirAndrada let me ask you do you even know what the word sephardic mean
I do not think you understand what you are saying yourself
OliveirAndrada-"LOL! Spain is a non-white north african nation"
OliveirAndrada-"North Africans are caucasians"
I think I remember saying you were delusional. Since you say spain is not white how are you going to skip spain and say they are not caucasian and say the Arabs in Africa are caucasians I do not mind I know it is Lowself esteem and Hating on Africans
BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago
@BamaBoy205SR There are three great races: Mongoloid, Negroid and Caucasian. Which ones do arabs belong to?
OliveirAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveirAndrada my bad you caucasoid I call caucasians caucasoid because I am Civil enough to call people what they proudly call themselvs Caucasian Anthrapologist named themselves Caucasian and said that above the caucasus region is the lands they are indiginous to. I get sick at the sight of a devil but I am civil enough to call yall what you call yourself Negroid Mongoloid was not created by Asians and Africans its a slander by 1800's Nazi caucasian anthrapoligist
Dr. Blumanbach
BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago
@BamaBoy205SR Well, yes, those are devil-creatures, all white people are. And the definition of caucasoid is arbitrary, it's not because some lousy racist scholar made up a word to define a type of people he considered more beautiful that I will believe his classifications. But you cannot deny that arabs, persians, etc are caucasoid and not any other type. And spaniards are the same as iraquis, morrocans and argelians.
OliveirAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveirAndrada -"the word caucasian is arbitrary i bet it is esp since you use the term African only when you all want to connect to our culture
BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago
@BamaBoy205SR I am simply saying spain is essentially north african, what is wrong with that?
Culturally and Genetically, Spain is half north African, even more than half, given that the other half wouldn't have achieved anything.
OliveirAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveirAndrada If Spain is "genetically and culturally" North African, what would that make Italy, a country less genetically distant to the mid east and Berbers than Spain?
Reading your posts, it shows that you hate Arabs, Berbers, Jews, and even Gypsies. Whoa!
Jobless loser.
MoneysnHoneys 1 year ago
@MoneysnHoneys Don't project your hatreds onto me. Go flag people.
Italy is a typical white european nation. Spain is a north african beige country. Why does it bother you so much, why do you hate north africa so much?
OliveirAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveirAndrada If you lie about someone's heritage, they will get pissed. Go troll Scandinavians about how they're not truly Europe but Asian mongol inhabitants in Europe.
If Italy is white, then so is Spain. In fact, you wouldn't even tell them apart most of the time. And you know this, you just hate Spain because you're an idiot.
MoneysnHoneys 1 year ago
@MoneysnHoneys cry cry cry, that's so typical of you. I won't say that about scandinavians because it isn't true. I only care about truth and facts. Such as the fact that spaniards are not white.
Italy is a white nation, it wasn't occupied by moors for almost 800 years. That's Spain, the moorish nation of the iberian peninsula. LOL!
OliveirAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveirAndrada Granada was occupied for almost 800 years, not all of Spain. You won't be able to consistently tell apart a local from Granada from a local of Venice, Italy... moron.
MoneysnHoneys 1 year ago
@MoneysnHoneys You still insist on this debunked lie? Mass migrations took over the entirety of the iberian peninsula.
Why do you hate moors so much? Why does it scare you that spaniards are not whites?
OliveirAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveirAndrada an Arab came to blacks in America by the name of Farad muhhmad He did not say he was a caucasian he said we were his uncle and he said "ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE DEVIL." THIS COME FROM UP HIGH OR AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT SOME ISLAMIC SECTS THINK FARAD MUHHAMAD was a turk "it is funny i think turkish arabs are the most racist against blacks at least on the internet odell was cool as hell he is the only turk i knew." i geuss we are the brothers of hagi she was African
BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago
@BamaBoy205SR White people are evil and take advantage of brown people. Look at Spain's history, they achieved some of the greatest non-white empires ever with their moorish technologies, but the british invented a banking system that made the brown spaniards dependent on the white men's greed.
Spaniards are similar to turks too. They are non-white black hating, you are right on that one, but it only makes them seem even dumber.
OliveirAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveirAndrada yes my ancesters gave spain a lot of culture and education but hell they paid us back by the Alhambra decree 1492 and kicked us into slave ships and sent us to the "new world" the same dam year we showed columbus how to get hear
BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago 10
north Africa belongs to the Moors
BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago
@BamaBoy205SR No, thats what history books say, but the races mixed and that is why spaniards are not the same as the rest of europe. They are darker, it's a sign of admixture, and it made easier to spaniards to build racially mixed societies in latin america. Spaniards love to mix because they are themselves a mix of moors and gypsies.
OliveirAndrada 1 year ago
North Africa belongs to the Moors and the Moors are in the United states for the most part because of the alhambra decree that sold them and the Ladinos into slavery in the U.S so Africa is Africa and Modern spain is not part of my culture Ancient spain was but not these children of romans and germanic goths who live there now
BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago 9
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BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago
True the original people of spain were not caucasians hell all caucasians"whites" come from the caucasus and above so this is not to shocking what you are saying but you are confused you forgot that the spainish went thru ethnic genocide from romans and then the Goths it took millinea to kill off and kick out all real spainish people but Africa is not in europe and i worry about people who try to place Europeon nations in Africa because that is delusional
BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago
The only dumbass trying to desperately and stupidly deny all the evidence (even including that found in this documentary, another of your "sources", LOL!) that has refuted your retarded self-exposed Italo-Brazilian arse (imagine that, an Italo-Brazilian babbling about "Moors", "North Africans" and "nonwhites", LOL!) is you, jackass
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CazadorDeZopencos 1 year ago
@CazadorDeZopencos LOL! I am a black man, but if your mind gets at ease by thinking I am part of the italo-brazilians who persecute you in your sleep, that's fine with me. Spain is North Africa, no matter what you say.
OliveiraAndrada 1 year ago
Iberia belongs to north africa. Nothing to do with europe, this documentary illustrates how beautiful this heritage is.
OliveiraAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveiraAndrada LOSER TROLLve you anything better to do than slander Spain you bastard
hoselui 1 year ago
@hoselui Spain is a North African nation, what is wrong with showing that?
OliveiraAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveiraAndrada I will not discuss about geography with you
you need some geography lessons
hoselui 1 year ago
@hoselui watch the documentary then. Spain is essentially North Africa.
OliveiraAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveiraAndrada whatever you say, obviously you´re insane
hoselui 1 year ago
@hoselui The funny thing is that he is an Italo-Brazilian multi-account troll and yet has the nerve to pretend that Spain is "North Africa", LOL!
In fact, not even this documentary agrees with his bullshit. They clearly say that the Reconquista was basically a civil war between Spaniards of different faiths (meaning: most Muslim people in Spain were not "Moors" but just Spaniards who converted to Islam.)
CazadorDeZopencos 1 year ago
@CazadorDeZopencos Spain IS North Africa, there is no big deal. I don't understand why you get so passionate about this issue.
Spanish people are not white, nor european.
OliveiraAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveiraAndrada Unfortunately for your retarded spamming arse, no, Spain is not "North Africa", and no evidence, historical, geographic, anthropological, or genetic, supports such nonsense. And yes, Spaniards are white and European. Your dumb little trolling plan, which you already clearly delineated with your pppaulo1 account, does not work.
CazadorDeZopencos 1 year ago
@CazadorDeZopencos Why are you so eager to deny the true nature of Spain?
Spain is a North African nation, part of the moorish empire, and its population is not white.
OliveiraAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveiraAndrada well if spain is morrish that means you are saying they were black people they were at least they are caucasians now
BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago
@BamaBoy205SR Moors were dark caucasians, not negroids. But they are darker skinned and more rugged, which conferred the current look of the spanish people. Have you noticed how they look darker than the rest of europe?
OliveiraAndrada 1 year ago
@OliveiraAndrada You are not aware of reality that is not cool you place spain In Africa is delusional being African is mighty imortant to caucasians I will say this spain does have African ties being that the indiginous people of spain migrated from Africa but after the goths invaded they went thru ethnic cleansing as if the romans were not doing it enough
The moors&ladinos were sold into the americas from spain when qeen izabella of spain ordeered the alahambra decree in 1492 Dumb Caucasoid
BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago
Hell columbus did not find the new world Moors only showed columbus a path Africans had been sailing for millinea In every genocide their are Bennidict Arnolds
BamaBoy205SR 1 year ago
@OliveiraAndrada their black you idiot their skin is dark Gee the amount of you European idiots is mazing it's common sense fucker duh.
djkblackbomber879 1 year ago
@OliveiraAndrada amazing
djkblackbomber879 1 year ago