It would be nice if most of the americans that bash the NHS had actually lived in the UK for a number of years and experienced it.... Yet they are not. Just makes them look so ignorant when they open their mouths and think they know what they are talking about. Geez
Although...I guess you can say that he deserves credit for being honest like his hero Enoch Powell...you may not agree with them but at least you know where you stand.
Daniel Hannan comes a cross as pretty right-wing...I do not like him...he seems to be harking back to the forefather with Edmund Burke and he made his broadside against the NHS on Glenn Beck's show. This tells you a lot...Beck makes O'Reilly, Savage, Coulter, Hannity and Lambaugh look sane.
Funny how biased this reporter is in framing the "facts." She is obviously very far left. Just so those of you "on the other side of the pond" know, most of the "uninsured" are illegal immigrants. Secondly, Americans don't want to be forced to buy anything that they don't want or don't need! I need to be able to see a doctor without having to get permission from my Government.
What the fuck would he know? I have never been treated shite on the NHS or "put at the back of the Que." This man is a complete gimp who will make the average person see why we CANNOT VOTE torrie if we want a free, fair and democratic state in the UK. The torries would have the rich going on to higher education, the rich being treated when ill and the poor left behind! Just think when you next vote. Look out for everyone, not yourself!
GOODBYE DAN, you wont be an mp this time next year. this guy talks some rubbish, i dont know of anyone who has waited as long as he says to be seen by a doctor. FOOL
is a false controversy being drummed it in the UK to get people angry at conservatives here -in US-over things they never said?...and then take that out on Daniel Hannan in the middle of election?
lol america is a fucking thirdworld shithole when it comes to prisons and health care. two very important things. you americans would be a great country if you cut get shot of those bible bashing rednecks
I am yank and I love my country but when it comes to prisons look at the stats we have a major problem "punishing offenders" gives us a homicide rate (per capita) twice that of the closest Western European country and the norm is like 10 times higher out prisons don't work period! It's time we rethink our ideology and the sooner the better!
at :50 - reporter lies. She refers to a Facebook entry ON PRES. OBAMA. ... NOT on the NHS. The reporter quotes Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann (whose coment also -I believe- appeared in Palin's entry). Anyone can verify this.
Try googling
Sarah Palin- facebook, death panels.
The Financial Times also did this with Palin's quote on death panels...and they said she was criticizing the NHS. In fact, she was attacking specific AMERICAN -proposed -LEGISLATION
you can cure cancer if somebody has cancer and it is removable, there is still a chance that it has spread and will come back. But just because you get cancer doesn't mean you need treatment for the rest of your life. Cancer research is in place so they can try and find a cure for it, But sometimes kemo therapy or removing the tuma is enough.
This is the face of Cameron's Conservative party. Our schools, socalized schools. Our fire service, a socalized fire service? Our police a socialized police force? It's a human rights issue. The NHS is not perfect but it's the best option.
I really don't see the proble, in nationalized health care, we have in Australia and i'm no worse for ware. Americans do seem to have this pathological fear and resentment of big government and this health care plan is seen as just another way for them to control the american people. I find it succinct David Cameron sees Daniel Hannan, this opportunistic MEP as an eccentric party member who doesn't toe the party line on certain issues and seems to love the praise he gets with the american right.
The medical staff within the NHS in the UK are the best trained in the world. It is not thier fault, they cannot carry out thier duties, due to Government Redtape and Targets. Alot of the personal care has left the NHS, this has been replaed by Government Targets.
merrimac291, I dont get why when America is so advanced and has all these wonderful innovations, they still haven't managed to make it past 34th place in the world in terms of life expectancy, and still rank 28th in terms of infant mortality. Which is well behind even creaky old socialised Britain. Guess all those Nobel prizes werent of much practical use really.
so americans would rather have the ambulance to arrive and sate "do you have a credit card?" before they will even help anyone!
sure we brits like to moan about our NHS but we moan alot about almost anything, it doesnt stop it being a damn good system in the long run. if americans want to reject it and continue being a slave to the insurers, then let them, its not our problem and we shouldnt get irate about it. for all our two nations similarites, we are infact very different. accept it.
I Physically cannot get my head around the fact that Americans are critisizing the NHS.
God Forbid those who are poor being given healthcare, Luxuries like giving birth safely or having an appendix removed should be reserved only for those with a lot of money.
its pathetic, although what can you expect from a country run by christian extremists like Sarah Palin, and who voted for the terminator to run a state?
the NHS is a foundation of our culture. For someone in our own government to turn around and bitch about to america is an insult.
Daniel Hannan is someone who recieves private healthcare and has no experinece of the NHS, yet he goes to american and slates it.
Worst is that Americans, who have no experience of the NHS then have the cheek to say its evil and disgusting. Mind your own business. I can say, with experience, that the NHS is a fantastic system we could not live without.
He was invited to go there and talk about these issues and he also went to the US because he wanted to see one of his cousins. He seems like the type who is willing to talk to anyone anywhere who will listen and if it seems like he went to america to talk bad about the NHS behind your backs, it's only because you brits don't give him a lot of time on your air-waves. If he was given the chance, I'm sure he'd be slating the NHS on British television if that makes it any better.
he is a politician. In other words, he is an actor. In the pockets of whoever has money and power. He has no experience of what it is like to live without private healthcare.
I agree with 'Snotling Fondler', I am not going to say anything else on this topic. I pity the American healthcare system, and laugh that you think it works better than ours.
Daniel Hannan has been disowned by his fellow politicians, if he thinks the NHS is flawed, he should suggest how to improve it not slate it.
Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other developed country. Since the mid- 1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to U.S. residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only 5 of the past 34 years did a scientist living in the United States not win or share in the prize.
add into your statistics that AMERICA FORMS MOST OF THE WESTERN WORLD!
of course it is going to have more innovations, its like 20 times the size of any other western country. And your argument is completely irrelevant from the NHS argument, and is still no excuse for the NHS not to exist.
Nope, the US is about five percent of the world, and I don't think it is even half the size of Europe. Their relatively libertarian set-up (it is more non-system that system) accounts for their massively disproportionate contribution to medicine and other fields.
So Americans are responsible for healthcare innovations...so why then in such a rich and powerful country are so many people unable to afford or enjoy its benefits? Is that anything to be proud of in a so-called "civilised" society? Without philanthropy Capitalism reduces men to savages. Money got thrown at the Nazis...look what happened. All this innovation, at great human cost.
Exactly....I think only rich people get to experience these supposed medical innovations. To put it in persepctive all we have to do is look at the statistics, Americans have a lower life expectancy than us here In Britain, and they have a worse infant mortality rate.
30-50 million people with no helathcare is hardly something to be proud of.
You've been conned by ridiculous lies. Our NHS is probably the worst health care system in Europe. Compare yourselves to other European countries and your system is appalling. So much money is wasted in insurance rackets and isn't spent where it should be. The people who can pay TWICE as much for what they get.
Worse than that the system will pay for itself. Healthy workers pay more tax and take less benefits. You help the poor, they then contribute to your economy and everyone wins.
Klive I agree with you. I was talking about the US system having better results. Money aside, I have seen terrible suffering and neglect taking in the NHS.
For me morality in healthcare is about medical results, but also about peoples' dignity when they are in a hospital. Speaking of the latter; if you find yourself terminally ill in an NHS hospital, the doctors just seem write you off an disappear. They have little incentive to care.
you culdnt be more wrong. What have statistics got to do with morality??
morality is doing the right thing for someone else regardless of how it affects you. And surely the NHS does just that, by providing healthcare for everyone.
And for someone who again has no idea wat the NHS is like, you also couldnt be more wrong about the terminally ill
2 of my family have died of cancer, and both have recieved beyond expected care from the NHS, and died happy and comfortable, thanks to the NHS.
If you "fairer" system actually cures fewer people, then your concept of fairness is wrong. The cancer cure rate in the US is far higher than it is in the UK.
The statistics are false The survival rate percentage in the US is based on those that have recieved treatment Not including the considerable amount of people that aren't treated due to not being able to afford it (poor people) they are not included in the figures The British percentage is based on the whole population (poor people are treated)
If the US system was judged the same way as the UK then the US would be a lot higher in the 3rd world area Lower incomes suffer more instances of Cancer
Exactly, US patients that are diagnosed, that have nedical cover They are on the radar and included in the statistics. The poor Americans that can't afford treatment are not included in the statistics. The British statistics are for the whole population because the NHS treats rich and poor with equality.
Sorry but you know nothing. You do not need insurance to be diagnosed in the US. Diagnosis rate is not a factor; everybody is diagnosed sooner or later.
Of course you don't need insurance to be diagnosed. You then face utter and total financial ruin if you want take on a long and expensive cure. Unfortunate poor Americans are then faced with a terrifiying choice; Death or destitution.. If you want to line the pockets of profiteering insurance companies then that's your choice. Are you Daniel Hannan in disguise?
Argggg. Everybody with cancer is diagnosed in the US. You just walk into a hospital. Even if they die of cancer before it is discovered, it is still counted. Please argue a different point....get that last one out of your head. And I am flattered that you think I could be Daniel Hannan in disguise.
These views are gained from the opinions of American friends that are currently living in the UK. They are very impressed by the NHS. One is a lawyer that has long experience in medical insurance in the States.
well actually mate we don't cure as many people because there are less of us so how about you factor that into your results firstly and atleast everyone in the UK has a chance at survival, 50 millions americans have jack **** so that shows just how unfair your health services is, a 6th of you population have no chance because they're poor, now justify that, if you have factored in the difference in population make it more obvious and back it with evidence
1. Cancer cant be 'cured', only avoided. Which means the issue is not the doctors, but what is causing the cancer in the first place.
2. Cancer survival rates only count those who can afford to go and get treated. In the UK EVERYONE gets treated, so the survival rate is lower. In the US, those who cant afford to be treated are discounted.
the NHS is something you know nothing about. Stop bullshitting.
if cancer could be cured there would be no such thing as cancer research dumbass.
there is no cure for cancer. You can keep it under control, but you cant cure it. its one of the biggest issues of today, the whole discovery of a cancer cure.
your so stupid please stop trying to continue this argument. You couldnt be more wrong with everything you say.
Depends who you ask. I can clearly show that US healthcare gets the best results, and to me that makes it number one. If someone applies some false morality, then maybe they could come to a different conclusion.
1 The people of Macau, Andorra, Japan, Singapore, San Marino, HK, Australia, Canada, France, Sweden, Switzerland, Guernsey, Israel, Iceland, Anguilla, The Cayman Islands, Bermuda, NZ, Italy, Gibraltar, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Spain, Norway, Jersey, Greece, Austria, The Faroe Islands, Malta, Nederland, Luxembourg, Germany, Belgium, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, and the US Virgin Islands have longer life expectancy than those in the UK.
2 Iceland, Singapore, Japan, Sweden, Norway, HK, Finland, THE CZECH REPUBLIC, Switzerland, South Korea, Belgium, France, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Austria, Australia, Luxembourh, Nederland, Israel and SLOVENIA have lower infant mortality rates then the UK.
3 The cancer survival rate in the UK is the lowest in Europe; ... in TheTelegraph data is 15 places below America for males and 14 places below America for females ...
3-1 Your point?
3-2 Should we individually examine figures from different sources--totals? separated by gender? separated according to type of cancer? separated according to whether it is with-or-without treatment or just post-treatment?
This is what happens when you let your blind nationalism, your blind hatred of America, and your unfounded superiority complex drive your arguments and you peddle them without regard for INCONVENIENT REALITIES.
Yes, that's completely true. The NHS doesn't help anyone elderly. All of them are left to die. Twat. When I get old I want nothing more than to have the NHS care for me in my slow decline towards memory loss and dementia. If you don't like it, get private care, idiot.
What bollocks, my 83 year old mum had a fall a couple of weeks ago, we called an ambulance, it was there in a matter of minutes. The paramedics were great and very helpful, they took her to hospital, she spent a night there and couldn't say enough about how brilliant they all were..
and you wonder why america is the most hated country in the world
bottom line is
im british, im happy with my life, and im more than happy with the NHS. Americans who have absoloutly no experience of NHS have no right to critisize it, simply because of what you hear on your hugely right wing, majorly false TV.
if you were poor you would not be saying the same things, but unfortunately those without money in the US, dont get to voice their thoughts.
Brits have a longer life expectancy than the US and so do Cubans. I really don't care that you have a completely misguided view on our health care system. In fact I feel pity for you. I think the remarks that your Republicans have made are hilarious. Is that Sarah Palin for real? Or is she some kind of Borat type spoof Republican that the lesser intelligent Americans have not caught on the joke yet.
Life expectancy is very little a function of medical care, rather of life style. Cancer survival on the other hand is (for example), and as I said the US has much better cancer survival than the UK.
The Statistics are misleading. The UK figures are based on the population as a whole. The US figures are based only on those that are treated ie People who can afford treatment. and medical insurance. All people in the UK are treated: Richman, Poorman even if you live on the street. So If the cancer mortality statistics in the US were gathered as in the the UK . It would give a more accurate comparison. Poor people in the US are reluctant to present symptoms due to prohibative costs I believe
I'm not going to post here any more. You have vindicated me because you can only argue your case with facts that are wrong. The US data is for all diagnosed cases (and every case is diagnosed sooner or later.
You appear to be evasive about the US statistics inc the 47 million that are not
on Health insurance schemes. We do not have a health apartheid system in the UK
so all and I mean ALL people in the UK are treated. Poor people or even working class people are not intimidated by financial ruin when presenting cancer symptoms.
I'm not being evasive, I am saying that they are included in the statistics, and the aim should be to optimise those statistics (curing more people). What kind of a morality and idea of fairness is it that cures less people?
Besides:
-those 47 million are likely to be covered by medicaid to a greater or larger extent.
-in the UK we have private treatment which is of a much higher standard than NHS. Is that "health apartheid" too?
1st child was born on the NHS (emergency ceasarian) My 2nd Born was prvt health care, planned ceasarian. Both operations took place in the same operating theatre by the same surgeon. Only difference was that she had a prvt room and a TV on prvt ins. She prefered the open ward on the NHS because she had more care attention and enjoyed the sociability of a maternity ward. All we paid for was exactly the same treatment but with a private room and a TV.
Again what we need are good medical outcomes, not failed ideologies from last century or silly propaganda like calling private health care "apartheid".
It's also interesting how your first child was born in the NHS but you then chose private care for your second. Not a great endorsement of the NHS!
We thought we would make use of a healthcare scheme that came with the job. God! those slippery money grabbing private insurance eels tried to wriggle out of making a payment. Their 1st priority was profit not the care of my child. Convincing me the NHS is excellent value. Apartheid= Yes particularly in the US where it's the primary form of healthcare. UK private healthcare leaches off the NHS. It uses all the infastructure and facilities of the NHS but just provides better 'Hotel' facilities.
Well I presume you think food should be all provided by the state too, since it's even more fundamentally important than healthcare. I believe your ideology has been proven to be wrong. And as long as you still believe in it, it must be hard being you; going to the apartheid supermarket, paying the apartheid rent, picking up an apartheid cappuccino.........
the post office, education, police and judicial system. I don't they are a Socialist Republic. I enjoyed a nice private enterprise cappuccino from a concession within the NHS hospital, while visiting someone being treated by the NHS. However the private concession cleaning firms that were forced on the NHS have demonstrated the negative impact of profit over patients interest NHS should run the heathcare directly Private enterprise supply cappuccino's
Actually the UK and Europe as a whole has a better cancer survival rate than the U.S. according to the World Health Organization. Not to mention that preventive care and the greater access to doctors that everyone has in the UK leads to few cases of cancer as well. So not only do they have a better survival rate but lower incidences of cancer as well.
i just cant understand this channel, simply for idiots, trying to scare ppl, i mean like, they picked one of the very few of people in the parliament who would say out loud a negative view of the NHS. I really hate this guy, rich, dumb, uncompassionate Tory, what else has changed?
Salvation from all that is evil death has been refused again this second time around, I do not decide when you die, its the nature of what you fell to that takes you.
okefixico, lets hope you don't fall seriously ill and get burdened with the cost of exorbitant premiums. Someone clearly in their adolescent years has got so much more to look forward to.
NHS. Cheaper than the US system. Fairer than the US system. Better health coutcomes overall than the US system. It's not perfect but it definitely is BETTER!
We in the UK should be concerned. But 1) Those statistics are from a Lancet report which drew no conclusions as to whether healthcare systems had an effect on survival rates, the report was taken up by the NCPA, a vested interest, 2) They do not take into account the role of preventative treatment, 3) Most importantly, do they include health outcomes for uninsured people in the stats?
Lastly - cancer is only one of many helth issues shouldn't we look at this issue in the round?
The US infant mortality rate is #33 in the world due to differences in reporting from other countries. Any newborn with any sign of life is counted (if it later dies), unlike in Europe.
Therefore I think it would be better to look at premature birth survival rates to assess neonatal care. I know that the US does better than the UK in this respect.
The NHS *used* to be something to be proud of. Now you go to the GP/dentist/A&E with uncertainty and apprehension, and while you will receive emergency treatment after waiting for hours (unless you are dying of blood loss), if you have AIDS you may not get the latest drugs if they are not deemed "cost effective" and people are turned down for transplants. The standard of care is often appalling unless you are strong enough to protest. I fear being old one day and being mistreated...
Single payer is the way to go. I hope Obama grows a pair and passes single payer and not some bullshit "reform" that is just more of the same. Search HR 676
The NHS needs a lot of restructuring and it should not be allowed to absorb money the way it has been doing over the years. If the NHS is so valuable to us we could still sign up to a voluntary fund. Many people would pay as long as the standards were kept and this would ensure standards were kept. There is corruption in the NHS and the only reason it is still working is because of all the caring people and min. wage workers who offset it. Not because the system is good. In the US it would fail.
I have so many horror stories about the NHS. In my limited experience, people are left to suffer and die in wards with three other people. One of the worst things is the lack of privacy (and dignity) that comes with this, especially when the general public floods in during visitor hours.
O yes we hear in Britain are all socialists. Jesus Christ because we pay for our healthcare through taxes we are suddenly communists.
I'd rather leave my taxes to the Government controlled NHS than to a Health insurance company looking to line its pockets anyday.
NHS run for the people, Insurance ran to make a PROFIT! Im all for profit but not when its from peoples misery. Plus if your insurance refuses to pay up when you are ill can you afford $10,000 a year for meds???
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In the UK many don't realise how much closer the left has brought us towards communism (many don't understand the difference). We have CCTV everywhere in Britain and our police are very different to 15-20 years ago. Unless you live in a village you don't feel comfortable engaging with the cop. I mean we can barely protest without someone being killed by police brutality. The fear tactics we put up with remind us increasingly of China. The Americans are more reactive because for them it is alien.
Read what the EU "constitution" says about your rights during a period of civil protest or non-compliance (you have read it?). The infrastructure in the UK is set up to control you and when the unrest starts in the US, the government will protect businesses at all costs in order to protect the people. You can call that coporate fascism or socialist totalitarianism. This US-NHS is a tax raising scheme for them; Obama can't afford it and they don't want it. Its not the Moon and he isn't JFK.
OK redneillo you give your money to politicians if you want to. But we should have a choice and should not have to pay into national health (and be able to use it) if we don't want to.
I understand your point, and I do realise that the NHS is not perfect.
But I would rather pay the NHS my money, that pay someone to line thier own pockets.
The NHS has to cover its own costs. Where a company must do that, cover extra admin costs and then make its profit out of your enivitable illness.
I do agree that perhaps it should be a choice, but I bet a huge majority would rather pay a bit less unwillingly than pay huge premiums when you do fall ill.
The NHS is very culture dependent. In Britain we now have the "Third Way", neither left or right in the traditional way, but a combination of the two, where the rich businesses and the government have merged to support each other and fleece the middle and working classes. There are elements of both corporate fascism and socialist totalitarianism emerging here. The extremes coincide in one spot on a circle... NHS managers line their pockets and push Tamiflu with the government taking a nice share
Politicians love the NHS because it is a perfect political instrument. A government can claim that against all odds it managed to keep hospitals open, while everything else fails miserably (on average, 40% on your income and soon +20% on every purchase). The NHS in the UK is more symbolic than anything else; it is comparable to the national spectacles in North Korea. Most people in the UK are brainwashed and simply don't know what good service is. Wake up! How does the Queen get so rich from us!
In the UK we are sheep. FACT. We usually complain under our voices because we have no balls, now, suddenly, people praise the system? What is wrong with you? This is a political issue. The UK is trying to expand its influence on the US even further. Bush and Obama are anti constitution and pro empire. If you go ahead with this in a huge nation like the US, you will have deaths amounting to genocide. Most NHS staff are poor immigrants; the service is very poor. The US can do better than this!
There is no such thing as free healthcare in the UK; you still pay for dental treatment and you pay for prescriptions. We pay taxes all our lives. We pay a hell of a lot of taxes. Most people pay about 40% of their salaries to the government before it even reaches their bank account. Then we pay again, 15-17.5% VAT charge on every purchase (this will be 20% very soon). Inheritance tax is also going to go up. Socialism is evil! People are sheep in the UK, Britain is broken and this is politics!
If you drive a car, it is only right that you should pay the company (or the dedicated government body) that builds and maintains the roads. However, VAT in the UK has been hijacked too; the VAT no longer goes completely to the industry it was derived from, instead, the government decide where to invest it. Drivers in the UK have recently asked for more of it put back into the auto industry. Income tax is communism. We should have a system of community work in return for State help to offset NI.
Seeing Cameron talking like this makes me want to puke.His party tried to dismantle the NHS when they were last in power.
Id also add that Cameron states he would not have bailed UK banks out if he was in power! oh and the UK would not have been hit hard by the recession if he was in power as he would have regulated the financial services sector. . .the Tory party - synonymous with helping big business - would have regulated and restricted profits!
America has to be the most retarded country on Earth.
Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand have better healthcare than the USA, and guess what? They're all goverment run.
Sure you can spout all your I'm an American I won't be controlled ( as if we couldn't tell you were a yank, what with the fat gut and 80s rags you call clothes) but we'll still be in the safe knowlege of having healthcare when needed, for the people.
lol America is totally a third world country, poor cunts.
sadly its true, all the american ignoramuses keep shouting I don't want my country to be like France or Sweden or some country they've Vaguely heard of and act as if those countries are where people are suffering from high costs of medical insurance.
Those who do that are generally the ignorant right-wing troglodytes that pervade many areas of the United States, alas. American exceptionalism, not Christianity - as many of them would claim, is their primary religion. However, their, and all Americans, intelligence and usefulness ( despite implicitly claiming their indispensability) is inversely correlated with the degree in which they embrace American exceptionalism. Fraking Morons!
This man has become a nation joke because he is batantly lying to get a job on Fox as the resident English mad man. Fox News cast their net wide to capture only the finest of the political idiots that are just right for their idiots viewers.
With all the pro-Tory media outside the BBC this might be the thing that shows the Tories are not to be trusted. We all know are system is better because people live longer in the Uk. If US keeps the same system then they are just too stupid to see.
I take it from the stupid comments of Mr Hannan that neither he nor any member of his family have used the NHS in their lives. If he says no I believe him to be a liar. If he says yes he is a hypocrite. Mr Hannan a public school/oxbridge educated politician is of course the fount of wisdom about the NHS and other subjects. The US has a health care system run by insurance sharks who only care about profit not health care. If you want that system you know who to vote for next year!
He has in the past made brief appearances, but he has been accepted on far more US TV networks than on here. When he went non channel 4 news for example, he was railroaded by a labour propagandist and the presenter. Not nice.
The BBC and all british broadcasters legally have to be fair and balanced. Yes fair and balanced and not the Fox News version where if you are not a foaming at the mouth right wing nutbag you don't get an airing. If you go on Newsnight or Channel 4 and talk cobblers you will be called out for it, unlike on FNC. When he was on Question time (which lasts an hour) I don't remember him mentioning the NHS once. Niceness? Have you ever watched FNC? It is far from nice, particularly to its opponents!
The BBC IS fair and balanced and is required to be so by the terms of the Broadcasting Act and the royal charter. Coupled with that it the highest regarded and most important news gathering organisation in the world. Compare that with the turd that is FNC. FNC is a front organisation for the RNC and the GOP. It pretends to be a news channel but is in fact a propaganda machine spewing out republican filth which includes Mr Hannan's diatribe about our NHS.
Yes, because it's europistan because of the terribly low birthrates of natives combined with the exploding arab-muslim population. I almost pity you, but you people are leftist shitheads and you will get what you deserve.
So long as getting what we deserve does not include becoming as clueless, FAT ARSED, and gullible, as the amerikkkn's who look to fox news for guidance, Im not concerned. You pity me? have another hamburger !
You are just the sort of ignorant 'patriot' that fox news loves. Why dont you try to make a sensible contribution to this discussion, unless you are unable to, being obsessed with an image of me wanking? I said that with a lovely National Health smile too.
nuke europe? You arrogant arsehole, if it wasn't for us british, you wouldn't have your country. Instead of preaching things you are obviously to idiotic to understand, shove another hamburger down your fat grub tunnel and be done with it!!!!! :@ And we're not faschist, we're DEMOCRATIC (if you know what that word means)! God save the united kingdom of great britain and the nhs!
Cameron has dashed 2 defend the NHS stating he is proud of it, when Conservatives tried so desperately to abolish it when they were last in power! Or is Camerons so noble stance on everyone having an equal right to the same health care regardless of wealth have anything to do with an imminent election?
It worth adding that the Republicans (the USA Conservative Party) are protesting Obama's attempt to create something similar to the NHS in America. Oh the hypocrisy.
What do the Republicans' stand on the issue of universal healthcare vis-a-vis that of the Democrats on one side of the Atlantic have to do with the Conservatives' stand on the NHS on the other side.
The Republicans - like the conservatives in the UK - do not understand the common sense concept that every individual regardless off wealth, should have access to the same level of health care. Well thats the impression I get from the British media regarding protests etc.
the torries never tried to abolish the NHS- Thatcher even said "don't worry the NHS is safe with us" year on year spending on the NHS has increased since its establishment.
Our NHS has a death panel called NICE whom decide if your worth it.Women are treated with expensive cancer drugs but more men die of prostrate cancer. The NHS is for females only (totally unfair system)
It would be nice if most of the americans that bash the NHS had actually lived in the UK for a number of years and experienced it.... Yet they are not. Just makes them look so ignorant when they open their mouths and think they know what they are talking about. Geez
swhiz 2 years ago
The Conservatives will shut down the NHS.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
janebusby 2 years ago
Although...I guess you can say that he deserves credit for being honest like his hero Enoch Powell...you may not agree with them but at least you know where you stand.
klimes86 2 years ago
Daniel Hannan comes a cross as pretty right-wing...I do not like him...he seems to be harking back to the forefather with Edmund Burke and he made his broadside against the NHS on Glenn Beck's show. This tells you a lot...Beck makes O'Reilly, Savage, Coulter, Hannity and Lambaugh look sane.
klimes86 2 years ago
Funny how biased this reporter is in framing the "facts." She is obviously very far left. Just so those of you "on the other side of the pond" know, most of the "uninsured" are illegal immigrants. Secondly, Americans don't want to be forced to buy anything that they don't want or don't need! I need to be able to see a doctor without having to get permission from my Government.
pxyvision001 2 years ago
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LimeInTheCoconut21 2 years ago
Americans in many issues are a third world country. Health care is one of those issues.
badseed136 2 years ago 2
"evil", "death panels" and "orwellian" are descriptions found in one facebook posting by Sarah Palin on August 7th.
ChurchillTea 2 years ago
well said hannan
Elcristoph 2 years ago
Daniel Hannan should do Britain a favour and fall on his sword...
Xneuz 2 years ago
What the fuck would he know? I have never been treated shite on the NHS or "put at the back of the Que." This man is a complete gimp who will make the average person see why we CANNOT VOTE torrie if we want a free, fair and democratic state in the UK. The torries would have the rich going on to higher education, the rich being treated when ill and the poor left behind! Just think when you next vote. Look out for everyone, not yourself!
axmatt 2 years ago
Republicans are just stupid they don't see people just MONEY!!!1
TONYE17 2 years ago
GOODBYE DAN, you wont be an mp this time next year. this guy talks some rubbish, i dont know of anyone who has waited as long as he says to be seen by a doctor. FOOL
ptb2008 2 years ago
Saying that though, it does seem we let our prisoners off lightly....
Doooozer 2 years ago
the NHS is a good thing and its Welsh.
catrank 2 years ago
is a false controversy being drummed it in the UK to get people angry at conservatives here -in US-over things they never said?...and then take that out on Daniel Hannan in the middle of election?
ChurchillTea 2 years ago
america rules.
britain sucks.
just deal with it.
fubar28 2 years ago
lol america is a fucking thirdworld shithole when it comes to prisons and health care. two very important things. you americans would be a great country if you cut get shot of those bible bashing rednecks
BooRadley007 2 years ago
yeah, our prisons suck.
but we would rather punish our prisoners instead of letting them go free, you know?
fubar28 2 years ago
It was politically motivated. And we all know US never does anything dodgy that's politically motivated don't we?
Doooozer 2 years ago
I am yank and I love my country but when it comes to prisons look at the stats we have a major problem "punishing offenders" gives us a homicide rate (per capita) twice that of the closest Western European country and the norm is like 10 times higher out prisons don't work period! It's time we rethink our ideology and the sooner the better!
LBRTRN89 2 years ago
KUNT
openmouthinhales 2 years ago
Actually I don't think Bachman was quoted in Palin's August 7th entry ; but Bachman was mentioned and praised.
Again, check it out at Facebook, Sarah Palin.
ChurchillTea 2 years ago
at :50 - reporter lies. She refers to a Facebook entry ON PRES. OBAMA. ... NOT on the NHS. The reporter quotes Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann (whose coment also -I believe- appeared in Palin's entry). Anyone can verify this.
Try googling
Sarah Palin- facebook, death panels.
The Financial Times also did this with Palin's quote on death panels...and they said she was criticizing the NHS. In fact, she was attacking specific AMERICAN -proposed -LEGISLATION
ChurchillTea 2 years ago
you can cure cancer if somebody has cancer and it is removable, there is still a chance that it has spread and will come back. But just because you get cancer doesn't mean you need treatment for the rest of your life. Cancer research is in place so they can try and find a cure for it, But sometimes kemo therapy or removing the tuma is enough.
p182100 2 years ago
This is the face of Cameron's Conservative party. Our schools, socalized schools. Our fire service, a socalized fire service? Our police a socialized police force? It's a human rights issue. The NHS is not perfect but it's the best option.
TheJamesxxzz 2 years ago
Albert Burgess - A Case for Treason
PikeSdream 2 years ago
I really don't see the proble, in nationalized health care, we have in Australia and i'm no worse for ware. Americans do seem to have this pathological fear and resentment of big government and this health care plan is seen as just another way for them to control the american people. I find it succinct David Cameron sees Daniel Hannan, this opportunistic MEP as an eccentric party member who doesn't toe the party line on certain issues and seems to love the praise he gets with the american right.
Remus0387 2 years ago
The medical staff within the NHS in the UK are the best trained in the world. It is not thier fault, they cannot carry out thier duties, due to Government Redtape and Targets. Alot of the personal care has left the NHS, this has been replaed by Government Targets.
scotschic 2 years ago
merrimac291, I dont get why when America is so advanced and has all these wonderful innovations, they still haven't managed to make it past 34th place in the world in terms of life expectancy, and still rank 28th in terms of infant mortality. Which is well behind even creaky old socialised Britain. Guess all those Nobel prizes werent of much practical use really.
jrose3638 2 years ago
so americans would rather have the ambulance to arrive and sate "do you have a credit card?" before they will even help anyone!
sure we brits like to moan about our NHS but we moan alot about almost anything, it doesnt stop it being a damn good system in the long run. if americans want to reject it and continue being a slave to the insurers, then let them, its not our problem and we shouldnt get irate about it. for all our two nations similarites, we are infact very different. accept it.
Snotlingfondler 2 years ago
totally agreed.
I Physically cannot get my head around the fact that Americans are critisizing the NHS.
God Forbid those who are poor being given healthcare, Luxuries like giving birth safely or having an appendix removed should be reserved only for those with a lot of money.
its pathetic, although what can you expect from a country run by christian extremists like Sarah Palin, and who voted for the terminator to run a state?
NationalApathy 2 years ago 2
It's so funny how we Americans are making you brits love your system and are dragging you into a debate on your system.
merrimac291 2 years ago
not really
the NHS is a foundation of our culture. For someone in our own government to turn around and bitch about to america is an insult.
Daniel Hannan is someone who recieves private healthcare and has no experinece of the NHS, yet he goes to american and slates it.
Worst is that Americans, who have no experience of the NHS then have the cheek to say its evil and disgusting. Mind your own business. I can say, with experience, that the NHS is a fantastic system we could not live without.
NationalApathy 2 years ago
He was invited to go there and talk about these issues and he also went to the US because he wanted to see one of his cousins. He seems like the type who is willing to talk to anyone anywhere who will listen and if it seems like he went to america to talk bad about the NHS behind your backs, it's only because you brits don't give him a lot of time on your air-waves. If he was given the chance, I'm sure he'd be slating the NHS on British television if that makes it any better.
merrimac291 2 years ago
he is a politician. In other words, he is an actor. In the pockets of whoever has money and power. He has no experience of what it is like to live without private healthcare.
I agree with 'Snotling Fondler', I am not going to say anything else on this topic. I pity the American healthcare system, and laugh that you think it works better than ours.
Daniel Hannan has been disowned by his fellow politicians, if he thinks the NHS is flawed, he should suggest how to improve it not slate it.
NationalApathy 2 years ago
Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other developed country. Since the mid- 1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to U.S. residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only 5 of the past 34 years did a scientist living in the United States not win or share in the prize.
Socialism stagnates technological advancement.
merrimac291 2 years ago
add into your statistics that AMERICA FORMS MOST OF THE WESTERN WORLD!
of course it is going to have more innovations, its like 20 times the size of any other western country. And your argument is completely irrelevant from the NHS argument, and is still no excuse for the NHS not to exist.
idiot
NationalApathy 2 years ago
Nope, the US is about five percent of the world, and I don't think it is even half the size of Europe. Their relatively libertarian set-up (it is more non-system that system) accounts for their massively disproportionate contribution to medicine and other fields.
ellhow 2 years ago
So Americans are responsible for healthcare innovations...so why then in such a rich and powerful country are so many people unable to afford or enjoy its benefits? Is that anything to be proud of in a so-called "civilised" society? Without philanthropy Capitalism reduces men to savages. Money got thrown at the Nazis...look what happened. All this innovation, at great human cost.
hahasaidthecar 2 years ago
Exactly....I think only rich people get to experience these supposed medical innovations. To put it in persepctive all we have to do is look at the statistics, Americans have a lower life expectancy than us here In Britain, and they have a worse infant mortality rate.
30-50 million people with no helathcare is hardly something to be proud of.
samadin32 2 years ago
Sigh, we've been over this. US healthcare gets better results than the UK's healthcare system.
ellhow 2 years ago
If you can afford it... otherwise?
eddywhitemusic 2 years ago
Nope, overall results are better. That is what matter. Anything else is just a false morality.
ellhow 2 years ago
You've been conned by ridiculous lies. Our NHS is probably the worst health care system in Europe. Compare yourselves to other European countries and your system is appalling. So much money is wasted in insurance rackets and isn't spent where it should be. The people who can pay TWICE as much for what they get.
Worse than that the system will pay for itself. Healthy workers pay more tax and take less benefits. You help the poor, they then contribute to your economy and everyone wins.
Klive5ive 2 years ago
Klive I agree with you. I was talking about the US system having better results. Money aside, I have seen terrible suffering and neglect taking in the NHS.
ellhow 2 years ago
dont use it then
NationalApathy 2 years ago
u seem to have no idea what morality is.
NationalApathy 2 years ago
For me morality in healthcare is about medical results, but also about peoples' dignity when they are in a hospital. Speaking of the latter; if you find yourself terminally ill in an NHS hospital, the doctors just seem write you off an disappear. They have little incentive to care.
ellhow 2 years ago
you culdnt be more wrong. What have statistics got to do with morality??
morality is doing the right thing for someone else regardless of how it affects you. And surely the NHS does just that, by providing healthcare for everyone.
And for someone who again has no idea wat the NHS is like, you also couldnt be more wrong about the terminally ill
2 of my family have died of cancer, and both have recieved beyond expected care from the NHS, and died happy and comfortable, thanks to the NHS.
NationalApathy 2 years ago
If you "fairer" system actually cures fewer people, then your concept of fairness is wrong. The cancer cure rate in the US is far higher than it is in the UK.
ellhow 2 years ago
The statistics are false The survival rate percentage in the US is based on those that have recieved treatment Not including the considerable amount of people that aren't treated due to not being able to afford it (poor people) they are not included in the figures The British percentage is based on the whole population (poor people are treated)
If the US system was judged the same way as the UK then the US would be a lot higher in the 3rd world area Lower incomes suffer more instances of Cancer
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
No the US data is for all patients diagnosed.
ellhow 2 years ago
Exactly, US patients that are diagnosed, that have nedical cover They are on the radar and included in the statistics. The poor Americans that can't afford treatment are not included in the statistics. The British statistics are for the whole population because the NHS treats rich and poor with equality.
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
Sorry but you know nothing. You do not need insurance to be diagnosed in the US. Diagnosis rate is not a factor; everybody is diagnosed sooner or later.
ellhow 2 years ago
Now you're just acting like a politician!
Of course you don't need insurance to be diagnosed. You then face utter and total financial ruin if you want take on a long and expensive cure. Unfortunate poor Americans are then faced with a terrifiying choice; Death or destitution.. If you want to line the pockets of profiteering insurance companies then that's your choice. Are you Daniel Hannan in disguise?
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
Argggg. Everybody with cancer is diagnosed in the US. You just walk into a hospital. Even if they die of cancer before it is discovered, it is still counted. Please argue a different point....get that last one out of your head. And I am flattered that you think I could be Daniel Hannan in disguise.
ellhow 2 years ago
you shouldn't be flattered to be mistaken for such a person who makes up what appear to be lies from my experience of the NHS
SheepJumpFish 2 years ago
People that can't afford health care don't come forward. Whats's the point? they know the answer Death or destitution.
That is the point. All people in Britain come forward for treatment, richman, poorman. This distorts the figures in favour of the US figures Capisce?
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
You're just making stuff up now.
ellhow 2 years ago
These views are gained from the opinions of American friends that are currently living in the UK. They are very impressed by the NHS. One is a lawyer that has long experience in medical insurance in the States.
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
well actually mate we don't cure as many people because there are less of us so how about you factor that into your results firstly and atleast everyone in the UK has a chance at survival, 50 millions americans have jack **** so that shows just how unfair your health services is, a 6th of you population have no chance because they're poor, now justify that, if you have factored in the difference in population make it more obvious and back it with evidence
SheepJumpFish 2 years ago
there is a big difference.
1. Cancer cant be 'cured', only avoided. Which means the issue is not the doctors, but what is causing the cancer in the first place.
2. Cancer survival rates only count those who can afford to go and get treated. In the UK EVERYONE gets treated, so the survival rate is lower. In the US, those who cant afford to be treated are discounted.
the NHS is something you know nothing about. Stop bullshitting.
NationalApathy 2 years ago 2
1. Cancer can be cured, but only with treatment.
2. Cancer survival rates include all who are diagnosed.
ellhow 2 years ago
you think cancer can be cured?
if cancer could be cured there would be no such thing as cancer research dumbass.
there is no cure for cancer. You can keep it under control, but you cant cure it. its one of the biggest issues of today, the whole discovery of a cancer cure.
your so stupid please stop trying to continue this argument. You couldnt be more wrong with everything you say.
NationalApathy 2 years ago
Well clearly you don't know, you arrogant prick
SheepJumpFish 2 years ago
You can't argue with facts, so you resort to insults. I know plenty.
ellhow 2 years ago
how come us healthcare is number 37 in the world and uk is 16
lillyduh4u 2 years ago
Depends who you ask. I can clearly show that US healthcare gets the best results, and to me that makes it number one. If someone applies some false morality, then maybe they could come to a different conclusion.
ellhow 2 years ago
미국놈들 하여간 존내 멍청하네. murdoch 똘마니들이 fox에 나와서 각종 유언비어 살포하는데 그대로 믿네. 이러니 감기한번에 돈 10만원식 내고도 폭동이 안일어나지. 띨박들.
budongsan 2 years ago
Daviud Cameron you are a sham!!! this is not enough Save our NHS
davidpower1 2 years ago
Americans have LOWER life expectancy, higher infant mortality rates and more deaths from cancer per person than the UK.
warriorprince1010 2 years ago
1 The people of Macau, Andorra, Japan, Singapore, San Marino, HK, Australia, Canada, France, Sweden, Switzerland, Guernsey, Israel, Iceland, Anguilla, The Cayman Islands, Bermuda, NZ, Italy, Gibraltar, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Spain, Norway, Jersey, Greece, Austria, The Faroe Islands, Malta, Nederland, Luxembourg, Germany, Belgium, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, and the US Virgin Islands have longer life expectancy than those in the UK.
Your point?
. . .
gagothesith 2 years ago
2 Iceland, Singapore, Japan, Sweden, Norway, HK, Finland, THE CZECH REPUBLIC, Switzerland, South Korea, Belgium, France, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Austria, Australia, Luxembourh, Nederland, Israel and SLOVENIA have lower infant mortality rates then the UK.
Your point?
. . .
gagothesith 2 years ago
3 The cancer survival rate in the UK is the lowest in Europe; ... in TheTelegraph data is 15 places below America for males and 14 places below America for females ...
3-1 Your point?
3-2 Should we individually examine figures from different sources--totals? separated by gender? separated according to type of cancer? separated according to whether it is with-or-without treatment or just post-treatment?
. . .
gagothesith 2 years ago
This is what happens when you let your blind nationalism, your blind hatred of America, and your unfounded superiority complex drive your arguments and you peddle them without regard for INCONVENIENT REALITIES.
Want to do it some more?
gagothesith 2 years ago
네가 말한 나라의 대부분은 국영의료보험 체제인데 모순을 범하지 말거라. 이 바보색휘야.
budongsan 2 years ago
自分にしか分からない事を書いてどうするの？
gagothesith 2 years ago
Daniel Hannan - I can't wait to see the next MEP election result. Goodbye to your cushy job.
dobbo996 2 years ago
The NHS is an absoloute disgrace. They sideline the elderly and fail in every way to care for them. If you don't tick the boxes your as good as dead.
glenn20081965 2 years ago
Yes, that's completely true. The NHS doesn't help anyone elderly. All of them are left to die. Twat. When I get old I want nothing more than to have the NHS care for me in my slow decline towards memory loss and dementia. If you don't like it, get private care, idiot.
christortise 2 years ago
What bollocks, my 83 year old mum had a fall a couple of weeks ago, we called an ambulance, it was there in a matter of minutes. The paramedics were great and very helpful, they took her to hospital, she spent a night there and couldn't say enough about how brilliant they all were..
LuvTheSmiths 2 years ago
Do you really have any idea of what you are talking about?
anthwhite91 2 years ago
Have you ever been out of your house?
50kevin67 2 years ago
Americans have a better healthcare system then you English people. we Americans piss on you and your poor health care.
203207ab 2 years ago
What about the poor that can't afford your waste of money?
christortise 2 years ago
and you wonder why america is the most hated country in the world
bottom line is
im british, im happy with my life, and im more than happy with the NHS. Americans who have absoloutly no experience of NHS have no right to critisize it, simply because of what you hear on your hugely right wing, majorly false TV.
if you were poor you would not be saying the same things, but unfortunately those without money in the US, dont get to voice their thoughts.
The NHS is fantastic
NationalApathy 2 years ago 2
Brits have a longer life expectancy than the US and so do Cubans. I really don't care that you have a completely misguided view on our health care system. In fact I feel pity for you. I think the remarks that your Republicans have made are hilarious. Is that Sarah Palin for real? Or is she some kind of Borat type spoof Republican that the lesser intelligent Americans have not caught on the joke yet.
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
Life expectancy is very little a function of medical care, rather of life style. Cancer survival on the other hand is (for example), and as I said the US has much better cancer survival than the UK.
ellhow 2 years ago
The Statistics are misleading. The UK figures are based on the population as a whole. The US figures are based only on those that are treated ie People who can afford treatment. and medical insurance. All people in the UK are treated: Richman, Poorman even if you live on the street. So If the cancer mortality statistics in the US were gathered as in the the UK . It would give a more accurate comparison. Poor people in the US are reluctant to present symptoms due to prohibative costs I believe
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
I'm not going to post here any more. You have vindicated me because you can only argue your case with facts that are wrong. The US data is for all diagnosed cases (and every case is diagnosed sooner or later.
ellhow 2 years ago
Oh well. stick your head in the sand and go into denial. Doesn't bother me.
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
ellhow
You have totally missed LGofM's point.
What happens to the 40 million plus people Yes that's 40 million plus, US citizens that can't afford
health care in the US! where do they figure on your statistics? 40 million! that's
over 3/4 of the entire UK population.
No wonder you have rolled over
surrendered.
wagonhead 2 years ago
His point was wrong, the statistics that I was refering to include all people.
ellhow 2 years ago
You appear to be evasive about the US statistics inc the 47 million that are not
on Health insurance schemes. We do not have a health apartheid system in the UK
so all and I mean ALL people in the UK are treated. Poor people or even working class people are not intimidated by financial ruin when presenting cancer symptoms.
wagonhead 2 years ago
I'm not being evasive, I am saying that they are included in the statistics, and the aim should be to optimise those statistics (curing more people). What kind of a morality and idea of fairness is it that cures less people?
Besides:
-those 47 million are likely to be covered by medicaid to a greater or larger extent.
-in the UK we have private treatment which is of a much higher standard than NHS. Is that "health apartheid" too?
ellhow 2 years ago
Yes private health care is apartheid. My
1st child was born on the NHS (emergency ceasarian) My 2nd Born was prvt health care, planned ceasarian. Both operations took place in the same operating theatre by the same surgeon. Only difference was that she had a prvt room and a TV on prvt ins. She prefered the open ward on the NHS because she had more care attention and enjoyed the sociability of a maternity ward. All we paid for was exactly the same treatment but with a private room and a TV.
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
Again what we need are good medical outcomes, not failed ideologies from last century or silly propaganda like calling private health care "apartheid".
It's also interesting how your first child was born in the NHS but you then chose private care for your second. Not a great endorsement of the NHS!
ellhow 2 years ago
We thought we would make use of a healthcare scheme that came with the job. God! those slippery money grabbing private insurance eels tried to wriggle out of making a payment. Their 1st priority was profit not the care of my child. Convincing me the NHS is excellent value. Apartheid= Yes particularly in the US where it's the primary form of healthcare. UK private healthcare leaches off the NHS. It uses all the infastructure and facilities of the NHS but just provides better 'Hotel' facilities.
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
Well I presume you think food should be all provided by the state too, since it's even more fundamentally important than healthcare. I believe your ideology has been proven to be wrong. And as long as you still believe in it, it must be hard being you; going to the apartheid supermarket, paying the apartheid rent, picking up an apartheid cappuccino.........
ellhow 2 years ago
Even in the US the state runs the military,
the post office, education, police and judicial system. I don't they are a Socialist Republic. I enjoyed a nice private enterprise cappuccino from a concession within the NHS hospital, while visiting someone being treated by the NHS. However the private concession cleaning firms that were forced on the NHS have demonstrated the negative impact of profit over patients interest NHS should run the heathcare directly Private enterprise supply cappuccino's
LordGodofMercy 2 years ago
Actually the UK and Europe as a whole has a better cancer survival rate than the U.S. according to the World Health Organization. Not to mention that preventive care and the greater access to doctors that everyone has in the UK leads to few cases of cancer as well. So not only do they have a better survival rate but lower incidences of cancer as well.
SaggyBallsMcCain 2 years ago
agreed
the fact that Sarah Palin is allowed to help run a country just shows what kind of mental capacity those americans who voted for her have.
Alot of americans really dont seem to understand the concept of being moral and not only thinking about yourself.
NationalApathy 2 years ago
i just cant understand this channel, simply for idiots, trying to scare ppl, i mean like, they picked one of the very few of people in the parliament who would say out loud a negative view of the NHS. I really hate this guy, rich, dumb, uncompassionate Tory, what else has changed?
catchthewave91 2 years ago
the NHS is ,was and always will be a third rate helthcare system
NOBBYSNUTS6 2 years ago
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Godtomanonly 2 years ago
America is a country run by the rich. Obviously they arent going to want a healthcare system that benefits those with less money.
Obviously a healthcare system paid for by the people and essentially run by the peaople is going to have flaws. But it has also had so many successes.
People with money get private healthcare if you want, but how dare u critisize the right for those who are poor to be given healthcare treatment.
What is happening to this world.
02tmarriott 2 years ago 4
There's nothing stopping these people from keeping private care. We still have it, but most still use the NHS.
christortise 2 years ago
Hannan..........The N.H.S. was established in 1948....not 1944......you traitorous tory twat.
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Megamediaplex 2 years ago
okefixico, lets hope you don't fall seriously ill and get burdened with the cost of exorbitant premiums. Someone clearly in their adolescent years has got so much more to look forward to.
canacola 2 years ago
hannan, oh wow uk republican cocksucker.
funny how americans dont want their tax money gettin spent on them :P
GLeNss 2 years ago
NHS. Cheaper than the US system. Fairer than the US system. Better health coutcomes overall than the US system. It's not perfect but it definitely is BETTER!
dogblessamerica 2 years ago 5
Nope.
USA cancer survival rate: 62.9% for women, 66.2% for men.(#1 in world for both).
England cancer survival rate: 52.7% for women, 44.8% for men.
Scotland cancer survival rate: 48.0% for women, 40.2% for men.
ellhow 2 years ago
We in the UK should be concerned. But 1) Those statistics are from a Lancet report which drew no conclusions as to whether healthcare systems had an effect on survival rates, the report was taken up by the NCPA, a vested interest, 2) They do not take into account the role of preventative treatment, 3) Most importantly, do they include health outcomes for uninsured people in the stats?
Lastly - cancer is only one of many helth issues shouldn't we look at this issue in the round?
dogblessamerica 2 years ago
The US infant mortality rate is #33 in the world due to differences in reporting from other countries. Any newborn with any sign of life is counted (if it later dies), unlike in Europe.
Therefore I think it would be better to look at premature birth survival rates to assess neonatal care. I know that the US does better than the UK in this respect.
ellhow 2 years ago
The NHS *used* to be something to be proud of. Now you go to the GP/dentist/A&E with uncertainty and apprehension, and while you will receive emergency treatment after waiting for hours (unless you are dying of blood loss), if you have AIDS you may not get the latest drugs if they are not deemed "cost effective" and people are turned down for transplants. The standard of care is often appalling unless you are strong enough to protest. I fear being old one day and being mistreated...
ValiantArrow 2 years ago
Single payer is the way to go. I hope Obama grows a pair and passes single payer and not some bullshit "reform" that is just more of the same. Search HR 676
six25 2 years ago
The NHS needs a lot of restructuring and it should not be allowed to absorb money the way it has been doing over the years. If the NHS is so valuable to us we could still sign up to a voluntary fund. Many people would pay as long as the standards were kept and this would ensure standards were kept. There is corruption in the NHS and the only reason it is still working is because of all the caring people and min. wage workers who offset it. Not because the system is good. In the US it would fail.
ValiantArrow 2 years ago
I have so many horror stories about the NHS. In my limited experience, people are left to suffer and die in wards with three other people. One of the worst things is the lack of privacy (and dignity) that comes with this, especially when the general public floods in during visitor hours.
ellhow 2 years ago
O yes we hear in Britain are all socialists. Jesus Christ because we pay for our healthcare through taxes we are suddenly communists.
I'd rather leave my taxes to the Government controlled NHS than to a Health insurance company looking to line its pockets anyday.
NHS run for the people, Insurance ran to make a PROFIT! Im all for profit but not when its from peoples misery. Plus if your insurance refuses to pay up when you are ill can you afford $10,000 a year for meds???
RedNeillo 2 years ago 3
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In the UK many don't realise how much closer the left has brought us towards communism (many don't understand the difference). We have CCTV everywhere in Britain and our police are very different to 15-20 years ago. Unless you live in a village you don't feel comfortable engaging with the cop. I mean we can barely protest without someone being killed by police brutality. The fear tactics we put up with remind us increasingly of China. The Americans are more reactive because for them it is alien.
ValiantArrow 2 years ago
Comparing the UK to China? Hahaha, put down your Daily Mail.
adamfruitcake 2 years ago 6
Read what the EU "constitution" says about your rights during a period of civil protest or non-compliance (you have read it?). The infrastructure in the UK is set up to control you and when the unrest starts in the US, the government will protect businesses at all costs in order to protect the people. You can call that coporate fascism or socialist totalitarianism. This US-NHS is a tax raising scheme for them; Obama can't afford it and they don't want it. Its not the Moon and he isn't JFK.
ValiantArrow 2 years ago
OK redneillo you give your money to politicians if you want to. But we should have a choice and should not have to pay into national health (and be able to use it) if we don't want to.
ellhow 2 years ago
I understand your point, and I do realise that the NHS is not perfect.
But I would rather pay the NHS my money, that pay someone to line thier own pockets.
The NHS has to cover its own costs. Where a company must do that, cover extra admin costs and then make its profit out of your enivitable illness.
I do agree that perhaps it should be a choice, but I bet a huge majority would rather pay a bit less unwillingly than pay huge premiums when you do fall ill.
RedNeillo 2 years ago
The NHS is very culture dependent. In Britain we now have the "Third Way", neither left or right in the traditional way, but a combination of the two, where the rich businesses and the government have merged to support each other and fleece the middle and working classes. There are elements of both corporate fascism and socialist totalitarianism emerging here. The extremes coincide in one spot on a circle... NHS managers line their pockets and push Tamiflu with the government taking a nice share
ValiantArrow 2 years ago
Politicians love the NHS because it is a perfect political instrument. A government can claim that against all odds it managed to keep hospitals open, while everything else fails miserably (on average, 40% on your income and soon +20% on every purchase). The NHS in the UK is more symbolic than anything else; it is comparable to the national spectacles in North Korea. Most people in the UK are brainwashed and simply don't know what good service is. Wake up! How does the Queen get so rich from us!
ValiantArrow 2 years ago
In the UK we are sheep. FACT. We usually complain under our voices because we have no balls, now, suddenly, people praise the system? What is wrong with you? This is a political issue. The UK is trying to expand its influence on the US even further. Bush and Obama are anti constitution and pro empire. If you go ahead with this in a huge nation like the US, you will have deaths amounting to genocide. Most NHS staff are poor immigrants; the service is very poor. The US can do better than this!
ValiantArrow 2 years ago
There is no such thing as free healthcare in the UK; you still pay for dental treatment and you pay for prescriptions. We pay taxes all our lives. We pay a hell of a lot of taxes. Most people pay about 40% of their salaries to the government before it even reaches their bank account. Then we pay again, 15-17.5% VAT charge on every purchase (this will be 20% very soon). Inheritance tax is also going to go up. Socialism is evil! People are sheep in the UK, Britain is broken and this is politics!
ValiantArrow 2 years ago
We pay alot of DIFFERENT types of taxes, but we're by far not the most taxed, even in Europe. VAT is probably one of the fairest tax systems around.
scammeh 2 years ago 2
If you drive a car, it is only right that you should pay the company (or the dedicated government body) that builds and maintains the roads. However, VAT in the UK has been hijacked too; the VAT no longer goes completely to the industry it was derived from, instead, the government decide where to invest it. Drivers in the UK have recently asked for more of it put back into the auto industry. Income tax is communism. We should have a system of community work in return for State help to offset NI.
ValiantArrow 2 years ago
Seeing Cameron talking like this makes me want to puke.His party tried to dismantle the NHS when they were last in power.
Id also add that Cameron states he would not have bailed UK banks out if he was in power! oh and the UK would not have been hit hard by the recession if he was in power as he would have regulated the financial services sector. . .the Tory party - synonymous with helping big business - would have regulated and restricted profits!
Sorry America...Its so embarrassing.
brynnreed 2 years ago 3
oh yeah, up the NHS!
tonylee2007 2 years ago
America has to be the most retarded country on Earth.
Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand have better healthcare than the USA, and guess what? They're all goverment run.
Sure you can spout all your I'm an American I won't be controlled ( as if we couldn't tell you were a yank, what with the fat gut and 80s rags you call clothes) but we'll still be in the safe knowlege of having healthcare when needed, for the people.
lol America is totally a third world country, poor cunts.
tonylee2007 2 years ago
sadly its true, all the american ignoramuses keep shouting I don't want my country to be like France or Sweden or some country they've Vaguely heard of and act as if those countries are where people are suffering from high costs of medical insurance.
NafeesLACC 2 years ago 2
"Sure you can spout all your I'm an American"
Those who do that are generally the ignorant right-wing troglodytes that pervade many areas of the United States, alas. American exceptionalism, not Christianity - as many of them would claim, is their primary religion. However, their, and all Americans, intelligence and usefulness ( despite implicitly claiming their indispensability) is inversely correlated with the degree in which they embrace American exceptionalism. Fraking Morons!
harmlesstree 2 years ago
the NHS is great
jellygraph 2 years ago
This man has become a nation joke because he is batantly lying to get a job on Fox as the resident English mad man. Fox News cast their net wide to capture only the finest of the political idiots that are just right for their idiots viewers.
With all the pro-Tory media outside the BBC this might be the thing that shows the Tories are not to be trusted. We all know are system is better because people live longer in the Uk. If US keeps the same system then they are just too stupid to see.
Delboy0 2 years ago
Clearly the UK press underappreciates the amount of money our senators in the finance committee get from private health insurers.
septentrionale 2 years ago
I take it from the stupid comments of Mr Hannan that neither he nor any member of his family have used the NHS in their lives. If he says no I believe him to be a liar. If he says yes he is a hypocrite. Mr Hannan a public school/oxbridge educated politician is of course the fount of wisdom about the NHS and other subjects. The US has a health care system run by insurance sharks who only care about profit not health care. If you want that system you know who to vote for next year!
densaner77 2 years ago
Americans can stick with the health system they deserve.
ClockworkVocoder 2 years ago 2
Why doesn't he come out with this stuff on British TV? I guess he knows we don't agree with him. What a coward.
MarxBakuninMe 2 years ago 6
He has tried, generally they don't want him on British TV. Especially not the state run BBC. he is not a coward.
DantesObjective 2 years ago
Cobblers, he has been on both Question Time and Newsnight so get your facts right!
densaner77 2 years ago
He has in the past made brief appearances, but he has been accepted on far more US TV networks than on here. When he went non channel 4 news for example, he was railroaded by a labour propagandist and the presenter. Not nice.
DantesObjective 2 years ago 2
The BBC and all british broadcasters legally have to be fair and balanced. Yes fair and balanced and not the Fox News version where if you are not a foaming at the mouth right wing nutbag you don't get an airing. If you go on Newsnight or Channel 4 and talk cobblers you will be called out for it, unlike on FNC. When he was on Question time (which lasts an hour) I don't remember him mentioning the NHS once. Niceness? Have you ever watched FNC? It is far from nice, particularly to its opponents!
densaner77 2 years ago 5
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Sorry but the bbc is definately not fair and balanced.... that's ridiculous. The bbc has obviously attracted a lot of activist-journalists.
And the reason for Hannan not on UK TV is because his party leader doesn't want him to. He could mop the floor with even Paxman.
ellhow 2 years ago
The BBC IS fair and balanced and is required to be so by the terms of the Broadcasting Act and the royal charter. Coupled with that it the highest regarded and most important news gathering organisation in the world. Compare that with the turd that is FNC. FNC is a front organisation for the RNC and the GOP. It pretends to be a news channel but is in fact a propaganda machine spewing out republican filth which includes Mr Hannan's diatribe about our NHS.
densaner77 2 years ago 4
ha ha ha ha what a brainwashed fool
ellhow 2 years ago
no
YOU are the brainwashed fool
NationalApathy 2 years ago
i think all this is BS everything all governments lie to people no matter what country or race, they all lie..!
wanatee 2 years ago
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nuke europe
fascist bastards
okefixico 2 years ago
You meant to say communism.
CatDogLivingTogether 2 years ago
Nuke Europe idiot? You could'nt find it on a map you half witted fat arse. have another hamburger.
50kevin67 2 years ago 3
Yes, because it's europistan because of the terribly low birthrates of natives combined with the exploding arab-muslim population. I almost pity you, but you people are leftist shitheads and you will get what you deserve.
okefixico 2 years ago
So long as getting what we deserve does not include becoming as clueless, FAT ARSED, and gullible, as the amerikkkn's who look to fox news for guidance, Im not concerned. You pity me? have another hamburger !
50kevin67 2 years ago
Ok..you get some teeth, wanker
okefixico 2 years ago
You are just the sort of ignorant 'patriot' that fox news loves. Why dont you try to make a sensible contribution to this discussion, unless you are unable to, being obsessed with an image of me wanking? I said that with a lovely National Health smile too.
50kevin67 2 years ago
nuke europe? You arrogant arsehole, if it wasn't for us british, you wouldn't have your country. Instead of preaching things you are obviously to idiotic to understand, shove another hamburger down your fat grub tunnel and be done with it!!!!! :@ And we're not faschist, we're DEMOCRATIC (if you know what that word means)! God save the united kingdom of great britain and the nhs!
Maltiman172000 2 years ago
your fooling yourself buddy you naive prick
NOBBYSNUTS6 2 years ago
Lol actually we British tried to stop their country from existing, lol.
ellhow 2 years ago
Ah, another dumbed-down dweeb ignorant of reality. Government education has really let you and your kind down.
And democracy is six wolves and 4 sheep voting on what is for dinner. Now choke on that.
okefixico 2 years ago
Cameron has dashed 2 defend the NHS stating he is proud of it, when Conservatives tried so desperately to abolish it when they were last in power! Or is Camerons so noble stance on everyone having an equal right to the same health care regardless of wealth have anything to do with an imminent election?
It worth adding that the Republicans (the USA Conservative Party) are protesting Obama's attempt to create something similar to the NHS in America. Oh the hypocrisy.
brynnreed 2 years ago
What do the Republicans' stand on the issue of universal healthcare vis-a-vis that of the Democrats on one side of the Atlantic have to do with the Conservatives' stand on the NHS on the other side.
gagothesith 2 years ago
The Republicans - like the conservatives in the UK - do not understand the common sense concept that every individual regardless off wealth, should have access to the same level of health care. Well thats the impression I get from the British media regarding protests etc.
I apologise if this is not correct..
brynnreed 2 years ago 2
the torries never tried to abolish the NHS- Thatcher even said "don't worry the NHS is safe with us" year on year spending on the NHS has increased since its establishment.
sil92 2 years ago
And yes the Tories did desperately try to dismantle/privatise the NHS.
brynnreed 2 years ago
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brynnreed 2 years ago
Our NHS has a death panel called NICE whom decide if your worth it.Women are treated with expensive cancer drugs but more men die of prostrate cancer. The NHS is for females only (totally unfair system)
Daniel Hannan is correct
dezfaz 2 years ago
yes of corse it is... your medication is due again...
sil92 2 years ago
It's "of course it is" learn to spell dumb cunt
dezfaz 2 years ago