The Big Trinity Debate - James White & Abdullah al Andalusi - Part 1/3

[888kraven]

The Quran has been recited from impure versions of the Gospels known as the Gnostic gospels and paganism as well. Someone above asked us to Read Surah 19. Can you tell me where did the name Isa originate when the name give by God to Jesus was Yah'shua?

This is a clear interpretation that the Quran is corrupted.!

No Doubt! :D

[regelemihai]

@extra222love

Very arrogant to assume that a book written 600 years after the event it purports to describe is the real and accurate story instead of the original one. I'm sure muslims would never accept a supposed holy book written today, rejecting everything Muhammad taught, to be more authentic than the Quran!

Some consistency, please.

[jdirt2019]

all these religions are outdated and silly. i think there is coming to the world a new awakening, a renaissance if you will, where everyone finally gets over themselves and has to recognize...or maybe not.

[Lukyo1984]

@extra222love Have you actually tried to read the Koran in English? It's almost impossible to get through much less absorb.

[BigBookHarry]

@Lukyo1984 In order to understand it even in arabic you must compare it with the ahadith. Primarly due to the interleaving of the Meccan/Medina sura's. One verse changes topic to the next even in the middle of a verse.

[1TheStrangers]

I wonder how many Christians understand what he's talking about :)

[888kraven]

@1TheStrangers - Oh! So even you are brainwashed. :P

[xxjaycxx1]

Exodus 33:20-23

Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put theein a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

moses saw his back parts.

[xxjaycxx1]

Genisis 17: And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

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And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

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And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

Who can claim Lord in heaven but GOD? We are made in his Image.

[QuranTafseer]

Inshallah Allah will give hidayah to Non-Muslims via James white reading out clear Verses from the Quran, lol a christian reading the Quran in a church "i call that a good form of dawah : )"

[blademanx]

47:21 this guys talking nonsense.....God can do what he wants as muslims always say. But the bible says that he created things through the word which is also Jesus.....some sects believe Jesus was the first creation and all things created through him.....

Its also wrong to assume that God does not create through anything...or God doesnt have a son. We all know that the quran has misunderstood trinity and "muhammadim" was mentioned in hebrew text about a man making love to his wife

[Machher786]

@blademanx he is saying that the bible in many places is tailored to mimic what greek philosophy currently held, that god created through the "logos".

Actually the Qur'an perfectly understands and refutes what is believed amongst various trinitarians (it changes from location to location".

You have totally made up your own definition and understanding of "mohammadim" .... I have yet to find your definition in any dictionary or even in the context of the passages it is found in.

[blademanx]

@Machher786 lol alright then.....maybe king solomon can enlighten you....lool

[QuranTafseer]

@blademanx God can do anything? So do you believe God can cease to exist? also Why do you say God can be a man when the book of Numbers says "God is NOT a MAN", We Muslims believe that God can do what ever he intends! and as the bible states God would never intend to be a man since according to your scripture God is not a Man.

[Jburn3]

@QuranTafseer ok think about your statement God is not a man.... Is God a Man? NO! God is God.... God did not become a man. God simply entered into flesh and manifested his spirit in Jesus. Jesus was a man. HIs spirit was purley God. Making him divine. God did not die... Jesus did! Muslims are all about putting a play on words and trying to disprove the Christians and yet they dont disprove anything.You have one way of seeing it. This verse does not disprove the divinity of Christ by any means.

[QuranTafseer]

@Jburn3 Lol your saying some weird things? weird "Oh God is not a Man" but Oh he "just entered into his creation/Son/Himself " and then you accuse Muslims of playing with words. I suggest you try explaining this concept to our Jewish brethwin before trying to convience a Muslim since you share the same bible i.e. Old testament, i doubt any one of logic would be convienced by your statement.

[Jburn3]

@QuranTafseer I just dont see why you would ever think that God became a man.... NO educated person believes this. A human consist of a body soul and spirit. God did not turn into a human. God manifested himself through flesh. He entered flesh. How is this twisting words. Jesus was a man with a soul in whom his spirit was purley God. plain and simple. Anyone who says otherwise does not understand. God is God and can take on whatever form he desires. Does this mean he ceases being God?

[QuranTafseer]

To put it simply since your confusing me and the issue, You say God became a MAN. I'm saying i know what God is i.e. from his attributes and i know What Man is! So i can imagine what was God turned into a MAN according to your belief. But Its NOT GOD ANY MORE, It used to be GOD now he is a MAN Lol i can understand that since at least that makes sense, but what your doing is using fancy labels to tell us God contradicted his own NATURE!

watch the following video : watch?v=fzgb_yFzQyQ

[atomac23]

It is beautiful when you and christian guy reading qur,anic verses. So you do not need a muslim to read them just to explain. now you see a trutfulness of the Muhammad savs when said that islam will be spread and with mouth of the worst people on the earth.

[airborne54]

Gakusha, you need to read the Christian bible. You Muslins preach God then you kill people who opose you. You stone women to death, etc. etc. You have bombers who kill people because they don't believe in your way of life. Go back to your own country if you can't live the American way. Our fathers fought for this country not yours. There must be a reason you came here other than trying to kill us or change us. You must have liked something about our ways. Live Americian or leave

[BeAwareToAvoid]

@airborne54 - This "you" you're using is mostly reported in a european media which is biased as hell my friend. And for the sake of argument if they were muslims, but the quran doesnt allow killing innocent people. dont talk about this issue while you are ignorant about the quran. this is so ridicuouls.

[tommy3lions]

@airborne54 Excellent response.

[raju53]

nice,, i lerned something new in this debate,,,,abdullah did well

[airborne54]

"America" wake up......What the hell is the matter with you? Are you dumb or just plain stupid?.....These Muslims want to take over our country.....and are doing a pretty good job of doing it. Look around you....listen to whats going on with them. They are working on taking GOD out of our country.....they are working on taking your guns, your freedom and everything else our forefathers fought for and died for. Don't you understand? Read what their bible states about non-belivers, "us"..

[gakusha76]

@airborne54 The "bible" of Muslims say, in non cut'n'paste way, about non-believers the following: Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of...

[gakusha76]

@airborne54 those who reject faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him.

[gakusha76]

@airborne54 But fear (the punishment of) God, and know that God is with those who restrain themselves.

read more here theamericanmuslim. org/tam.php/features/articles/­quran_2191_commentary/

[TheMuslimahSouljette]

This looks so interesting to watch!