Inaba Minoru Kashima Shinryu Kenjutsu

[yaburegachi]

What is Inaba Minoru's rank in Kashima-Shinryu?

[mistawabit]

140 - 150 wow

[minipancho94]

this makes me want to see 2 20person all out training war lol

[Shinkatana420]

Kashima is Aikido's breath into the past.

Aikido is Kashima's breath into the future.

the principles of Kashima cannot be denied.

and Aikido is a truth.

[aikidothanhxuan]

Inaba Kenjutsu - 1 dòng kiếm đạo cổ Nhật bản.

[youngaikidoka]

haha, i can now say i have trained in that room! though it was in Aikido, not Kashima Shinryu

[thkun33]

i am eager to learn this

[lulzbot]

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[sambcruise]

the good ol days, i miss kenjutsu and my school. these guys look great i love the technique.

[curiosobrazil]

Always on guard!

[MuMuLi]

these looks like armored fighting techniques.

[KendoSoldier88]

I like this video....This man seem to know what he is doing.

[youngaikidoka]

so i'm guessing almost everyone that is commenting on here are complete Kashima Shinryu experts that have studied under Kunii Zen'ya themselves then?

get a life!

this man is a master, no ifs or buts about it! to be honest, he amazes me in his extreme level of skill! i'm sure, if it came to it, everyone who commented on his style would be able to beat him, skill wise and fighting wise? no, it wouldnt happen

[punchy999]

It's easy to be amazed when you dont know what you are looking at. I admit he is a master at aikido...and perhaps a master at his style of aikiken, but kashima shinryu? Not really.

Not to mention, beat him at what with what? Like a duel? Gimme a break son. Last time I checked its the year 2007. If stuff like that ever happened he would have been visited for a duel ages ago and you would have no teacher to be "amazed" by

[fusui1219]

I don't think I ever said he was bad at what he was doing... I think the question here is "what's in a name?", and when you're talking about something like Kashima-Shinryu, the answer is... A lot. It's fine that Mr. Inaba does what he does, I mean who knows? He might be one hell of a fighter. The question is, is it Kashima-Shinryu? And if Aikido is so great, why can't it just be... You know. Aikiken.

[fusui1219]

(cont.) Both respective schools have their merits, but they don't necessarily mesh very well together. Skill or not, you have to question when what he is doing starts to resemble Aikido more than Kashima-Shinryu. It ends up being a lot like folks that study a martial art for a year or two and say "I'm a master of this martial art", and they mix it with whatever martial arts they do. While it may or may not be effective, it isn't quite accurate to say that it's "such and such" an art.

[fusui1219]

And let's try to drop the "my daddy could beat up your daddy" argument, please. It's childish. Let's try to be civil, shall we?

[Matsuwaru]

I wanna know what kind of trainig weapons are they using, because these aren't bokken or shinai...

[punchy999]

They are indeed shinai, but are called "fukuro shinai" bamboo wrapped in leather.  Hard to find and very expensive.

[Matsuwaru]

Thank you, I found some ahinai leather parts, it looks like a saya, (a leather one)... I ask, cuz I'm gonna to practice iaido, but I wanna know if this leather can be used with the bokken, and use it like the video.

[rtsd]

If you would like to see videos of Kashima-Shinryu performed by current members, there is a 11 part VHS series produced by Gaisei international, called "Nihon budô no engen: Kashima-Shinryû."

[RobertHGC]

It would be great to get a few excerpts of these videos on youtube to give people a taste of the official version. (I vaguely remember a cost of several hundred dollars for the whole set...)

[punchy999]

LOL are you even implying that inaba is somehow better than seki at KSSR?

How would you be able to "judge" "real" anyway? On what criteria would you judge? You folks are in no position to judge anything other than the watered down, aikido infused version you have been taught.

Just call it what it is, and all these comments will just disappear....

[punchy999]

I cant wait for this guy to stop doing demos and having aikidoists doing their distorted version of real kssr. Real kssr is hard enough to do without having a relative novice ( I say that with as much respect avaialble for someone who has studied with Kunii sensei) deluding students into thinking what they are doing is "real". shame, really.

[youngaikidoka]

is that inaba of the Shiseikan Dojo in Tokyo?

if so my Aikido sensei is good friends with him!

its fairly comforting to think about it

[kaifinn]

this is realy good

[rtsd]

Actually, I look at this video and think, "Wow, this is really insulting." But whatever, politics is ugly enough as it is.

[walenrod17]

and what do you think that is?:P hehe I'm 100% sure tha this is kashima.

[walenrod17]

is ther something wrong in doing kumitachi taoshi uchi? I thing not so strange? and fusui1219! it is not aikiken!!xD

[fusui1219]

It sure isn't Kashima-Shinryu.

[walenrod17]

and what do you think that is?:P hehe I'm 100% sure tha this is kashima.

[fusui1219]

Kashima is a place name, but if you're trying to say it's Kashima-Shinryu... hmm...

Hey I have an idea, let's call it Inaba-ha aikiken. Wouldn't that be pleasant?

[fusui1219]

And honestly, I think Mr. Inaba is a very good martial artist. But it's not Kashima-Shinryu, it really looks very different and it seems to work differently too. Not saying it's "bad". Just "different". Noticeably so.

[walenrod17]

yhym ok, I understand you.. (by the way do you practise any kenjutsu? where from do you know Inaba sensei? where have you seen Kashima Shin Ruy? and the Kuni Zen'ya's art? what do you think that is?) hmmm... Ianaba wa aikiken... but I don't have to think how to call it:) I've been last year on a semminar of kashima shin ryu... there was Inaba sensei:]

[walenrod17]

oh sorry for the mistake in words "Ryu" and "Inaba" I've written it in a hurry ;)

[RobertHGC]

Inaba sensei studied for a year and a half with Kunii Zen'ya. It certainly looks different to the little I have seen of Seki sensei the current KSR headmaster. I would be very interested if some videos of him or his students were available on YouTube...

[punchy999]

A year and a half, even with kunii sensei is not enough for anyone to "teach" kihon, let alone the other kata.

Not to mention adding it with aikido...blasphemy on many levels. Why not study with royce for a year and half and add bjj to completely round out the system! LOL

[RobertHGC]

Speed of learning depends on many things including previous experience of both teacher and student.

I wonder how long Seki sensei studied with Kunii sensei? I am assuming that Seki sensei was in his 20s when Kunii sensei died (since he has relatively recently retired).

[punchy999]

While I agree with your statement, it does not apply in this case, as in the fact that everyone involved in kssr shows complete disdain for inaba's skill level and audacity to incorporate kssr into aikido not to mention teaching it with no license or authority in which to do so.

[RobertHGC]

If his skill level is so poor then you have nothing to worry about. The phrase "doth protest too much, methinks" comes to mind.

[punchy999]

lol, I dont worry about his skill level, I worry about a schools good name dragged thru the mud. notice they dont post videos or have a large internet presence. Why do you suppose that is.

But dont worry, since he is prolly your teacher, youll happily settle for ignorance

[punchy999]

Now it makes sense, you are high level student of paul smith. Well, lemme ask you a question.

How good a teacher would Paul be if the last time he studied with Inaba was 40 years ago? Without constant contact from a teacher, where would his forms be? How much of his own interpretation would infect the "true" manifestation of the kata?

All bs aside, I would like your answer.

[RobertHGC]

Send me an email

[RobertHGC]

Ah grasshopper! The most convincing BS is told by those who think it is true.

There is invariably more than one side to any story, and the more open minded you are the closer you may approach to a balanced view of a situation. Life is usually more shades of grey than pure black and white...

[punchy999]

LOL, who are we to believe, the actual shihanke of the school, or an unranked novice student from another art who teaches without authority....

hmmm, how's that kool-aid taste?

[wolfshook]

What needs mentioning here is that that the "year and a half" Inaba Sensei studied under Kunii Sensei occurred some 40 years ago.

Reading some of these posts one is tempted to get the impression that Inaba Sensei learned these techniques only a few years ago, but that is not the case.

He is passing on a lifetimes worth of research gleamed from training w/ with Kunii Sensei and Yamaguchi Sensei.

[punchy999]

Exactly the point. IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO. How can one master 6 sets of techniques one learned 40 years ago by continuing without a teacher? Can you learn aikido for 1 year and a half, then experiment what you learned with karateka and call it aikido?

Yes a lifetime of research conducted by an aikidoka with aikidoka filtered through aikido movements. Yamaguchi had no license to teach either so again aikidoka learning from aikidoka. great for learning aikiken, bad for learning authentic koryu.

[wolfshook]

Seki Sensei continued to, why then shouldn't Inaba Sensei be able to do so as well?

Inanba Sensei not only continued to train with Yamaguchi Sensei, but also continued to train with Noguchi Sensei who himself was a student of Kunii Sensei.

In regard to Yamaguchi Sensei not having a license to teach I will reming you that he was at least an 8th Dan at the time of Kunii Sensei's passing.

[wolfshook]

Cont.

I would also remind you that Aikido's origins lie in Daito Ryu Aikijutsu, itself an "authentic koryu".

[punchy999]

Inaba has none of this. All inaba has is 2 other non ranked kashima shinryu novices to train with all coming with vast experience in aikido infecting every kata with aikido flowy circle dogma.

As to your reminder, that means nothing. Jigen ryu is authentic koryu, and just because you may study it doesnt mean you can magically do other koryu like kashima, katori, itto whatever.

Your rank in another art means nothing. Why is that so hard to understand?

[youngaikidoka]

punchy, i'll be frank with you, i'm bored of you!

how about we forget beating up the masters' names with words and typing, and get on with our studying, whatever style it may be!

you talk like you yourself are a master, that you no longer need guidance. forgive me if that's wrong, but that is the impression i am getting...

[punchy999]

I certainly am no master, and certainly need guidance. We all need that. Just be careful who you look to for guidance.

Life is too short to spend years training under false pretenses. Like I said before ya got guts kid. Dont waste your time...do your research.  I did.

[punchy999]

This is the issue with all you aikidoka. Since ueshiba made his own art, he stands alone as having no equal.

It is not like this in koryu. Seki continued training with other contemporaries of Kunii. It is an organization with other members that were senior to Seki at the time. So even though Seki becomes Shihanke, there are other kaiden to train and learn from.

[wolfshook]

Try capitalizing people's proper names and applying their correct titles, i.e. Ueshiba Sensei, Kunii Sensei, Seki Sensei, Yamaguchi Sensei for starters. It's commonly referred to as courtesy.

I'm not exactly sure what "aikido flowy circle dogma" is. Is this a specific technique you're referring to or just your own insightful observation?

[punchy999]

Thanks for the reminder that Yamaguchi has an 8th dan IN AIKIDO.

Do you think all these dan rankings are transferable? take your aikido shodan to a daito ryu, bjj, judo or karate club and see if it means anything. Hell take your shodan from aikikai to yoseikan to yoshinkan and see if it means anything.

New school new rules. Not that you cant have some advantage over a white belt off the street, but you are still a white belt nonetheless.

[punchy999]

I will pose a few questions to all followers of Inaba.

1. Have you ever asked yourself why Inaba never chose to continue study Kashima shinryu after Kunii's death?

2. Why do you think he thinks a year and a half of training was enough?

3. Would a year and a half of training of anything be enough for you?

4. Then to teach and train others?

5. Would this work in Aikido or Daito ryu?

6. Do you know any year and a half masters of aikido or daito ryu or even judo or bjj?

hmmmm.

[wolfshook]

1) I've never met Inaba Sensei in person, but by judging from what he wrote about Kunii Sensei in his book, I would think he continued to study KSR out his profound respect for him.

2) You really seem fixated on this point. Kunii Sensei died, thus ending Inaba Sensei's direct transmission from him.

3) See above.

4) Inaba Sensei is licensed teacher. He can train anyone he wants to.

[wolfshook]

5) Inaba Sensei is a teacher w/ 40+ years of experience. Not a year and a halfs worth.

6) See above.

[punchy999]

Inaba is a lot of things within the aikido community. Cant take that away from him and wouldnt try. But outside of aikido is a different story.

If you read Kfridays book youll see that it took Kunii a lifetime of training from kashima shinryu masters to get to his level. But I guess Inaba only needs a year and a half then a lifetime of training with aikidoka to get his mastery.

once again..hmmmm

[punchy999]

Try reading karl fridays book.

I am fixated on the point because it is the one all inaba followers seem to forget, gloss over, or ignore. Any training past kunii senseis death, without rank or authorization from his successor, or even other authorized teachers is an exercise in corruption and attenuation. period

This is a problem within actual members of any koryu, let alone dropouts who think they do not require any more training from a licensed teacher.

[GrafRamolo]

I met Inaba sensei few times and my answers are:

1 He studied Kashima after a Death of Kunii. In fact he was one of most active of his students after his death.

2.Year and a half isn't enough in any art.

3,4,5,6 See above

[punchy999]

"In fact he was one of most active of his students after his death."

What does this mean, exactly? Active how and in comparison to whom? and in what manner?

[GrafRamolo]

Active in cultivating what he has learned. I'm not comparing I'm telling you history.

[punchy999]

perhaps english isn't your primary language, but when you write things like "one of most active" you are comparing between others or else how can he be "one" of, or "most" anything?

either way, thx.

[soulesdeath]

@punchy999 that student would have been the one that was the most active in teaching the style and carrying on the knowledge. out of all the other students that went threw that school.

hope this shares some light :D

[GrafRamolo]

But Inaba sensei has studied martial arts long before he was student of Kunii  and long after. He has several high degree in many different styles for example 3dan in kendo. So you right 1,5 year isn't enough for somebody who has no experience but for someone with a lot of it is something. Maybe not all but something for good start for future developing, which he used very well.

[fusui1219]

Nice aikiken.

[fusui1219]

Well, at least I thought it was funny.

[fabiobranno]

Where did you practice Kashima Shin Ryu? Do you study directly with temple? How many other corrents are there?

Tnk U!

FB

[punchy999]

it was!

[Phasmal]

Interesting way of doing Kumitachi taoshi-uchi.

[rosiari]

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