Yeshua originated from a rabbinical acronym "yemach shemo uzreka" which means make his name YAHUW THE SAVIOR to be destroyed. Yahshuah is the true AbraYA meaning for YAHUWAH HE WHO SAVES. AmaniYAH
If you feel like "study to show your self approved" has convicted you to come up with all those questions, it is evident you need to study.... your problem is you can't refute anything i'm saying with out adding your opinion..
the Italian is more than likely to have addressed the Most High as the God of the Hebrews/Israel in his native tongue....
Angels can speak every language the Most high gave languages.
You won't answer the question because you CAN'T. It's OKAY to say "I don't know". Or has PRIDE and ARROGANCE blinded u to that fact
The joke's on YOU partner. U CLAIM to have the "hebrew" name of the Messiah, then go use that NAME to HEAL THE SICK , FEED the HUNGRY and RAISE the DEAD.
What? U mean u can't do THAT either?
Good grief man...
All u can do is THEORIZE and HYPOTHESIZE while u pick cotton on the plantation.
Don't even know why you're talking to me, you're childish, I wasn't speaking to you in the first instance, you brought your opinion, scriptures don't support it... END OF!!!
Heal the sick, feed the hungry raise the dead?? Those are signs that will follow, not everybody will do all those things though?? Once again you have no point to make "PARTNER?"
Who admonished anybody for not taking head?? You're sneaky, they can't help you?? Learn to differentiate between emotion, and disappointment..... at stupidity....
We need to realize it's not about US or our comfort levels or what offends US. We are not important. His WORD is.
His WORD is good enough to identify the Mark of the Beast..the Whore of Babylon, the Abomination of Desolation, the Identity of Israel, the SEED of Abraham, etc, but it can't tell us His NAME?
Is God's hand shortened? No it isn't.
You don't have to call on the name Jesus. But it's written in His BOOK. If we have to go OUTSIDE His book to get His name..then we have a big problem
@bibletruth2009 Praise the Most High for your soundness and open mind Bibletruth, and also it is a blessing to witness the wisdom the almighty have given you, beautiful breakdown in your comments.
Praise the LORD for you brothers and yshuaknesset. I enjoy your teachings and the humble spirit that u come in. Thank you for having these sites to allow me to share my comments. Shalom to you and yours as well
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
You're just siding with Kenesset of "Jesus", and their teaching to break commandments,
Scriptures say study to show your self approved, Hebrew word for saviour is Yesha, Yeshua <== Study is necessary, all of what you just said is hypothetical
We can ask a random number of Israelites from ANY CAMP which BOOK they read to determine that they were Israelites. I can wager that 99.99999% will answer the King James Version.
Now here is a dilemma. The King James version is good enough to identify US but not good enough to identify the name of our Creator or His Son our King? Again..who is MORE IMPORTANT..HIM or us?
KJV is also the same book that had you and Most all of us thinking we were Hamites too... Therefore it wasn't the reading of any words that had you figure that out it was/is the Ruach that came to you and everyone on this page. I find it funny that it is hard for someone in anytime period to not beable to say a word just because they don't "write it that way" c'mon now I don't care where I go if I want to say someones name right I can Period
@Cwynn83 For your info., you are wrong again! the KJV. HAVE NEVER, WHAT SO EVER TAUGHT US, that we came from Ham. We never got that impression from "reading" the Kvj. If I'm not mistaken, it was those demonic preachers, that gave that impression to people WHO DIDN'T READ !!!
You know the problem with many people, is that when they get a little knowledge, it puffeth up! People forget a good teacher, is also a good student. Humble yourself, learn, you are clearly missing info. you need !!!
@Cwynn83 And just as the false teachers lied convincing many that "all" blacks came from Hamites, and many believed them, because of the lack of their own thorough research. So it is now, LYING teachers, teaching the uninformed, THAT THEY CAN'T SAY IESUS/IESOUS OR JESUS AND THAT THESE NAMES COME FROM ZUES, AND THAT YAHSHUAH CAN'T, OR SHOULD NOT BE TRANSLITERATED. AND THE UNINFORMED, FLOCK TO THESE LIES LIKE FLIES TO DUNG !!!!
... and if I want to CHANGE it I can do that too just like it has been CHANGED!
I know when I leave the country my names keeps the same spelling atleast
His name is not Iesous or Jesus it was and still is Yahshua, how does one come in their Fathers name but not have his father's name?
As for what you said who is more important it's HIM all day everyday so why not respect our FATHERS name like he told us? When you disrespect the Son's name you disrespect the Fathers too.
@Cwynn83 You must not be aware of the fact the the Messiah's name was a common name in Israel, 2. You must not be aware that The Ancient Israelites transliterated the name Yahshuah to IESOUS , Did you Know that ?
If not,study! Do an honest intelligent search.
Your statement "...when I leave the country my name is spelled the same " shows you lack understanding, you are off!!!
You must not be aware that the people of that country can but have not transliterated your name . BUT THEY COULD !
@yshuaknesset It does not show a lack of understanding hes right, today names do retain there spelling in most places....
You insist on assuming you know how learned people are you are very condescending...
Did the ancients say I E S O U S <=== or just spell it? you don't know do you, they couldn't put hebrew lettering into Greek text so they done what they had to do.... Stop twisting historic events!!!
Since you say that, I am "twisting" history, on the ancients what events are we referring ? They had to do what they had to do ? What did they do ?
They retain their spelling only if the other language have the characters, You know what,
It's just pride and personal opinion, until this day , so many build doctrines of off OPINIONS, OPINIONS, OPINIONS, OPINIONS....It looks as if you cats just REFUSE TO SEE !!!!! IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
I disagree all of what I say can be supported. I think its you that doesn't want to get understanding...
I haven't used opinion once, I used the 3rd commandment and the term transliteration, morden latin etc and study....
You need to come to grips with it....
Because the Messiahs name is Yeshua... this doesn't mean Jesus can't be said when explaining to an unlearned person, but it does mean you can't support it if you are keeping the commandments.....
"The Ancient Israelites transliterated the name Yahshuah to IESOUS" <=== Untrue if we want to be technical
Greek language doesn't have the letters I E S O U S <==== These are modern latin/English letters.... they just happen to be equivalent to Ιι Εε Σσς Οο Υυ Σσς <=== Which is what the ancients actually gave us, isn't that right??
@bibletruth2009 I hear that but I fear the Most High and his son, Jesus is not good enough....
We must keep all the commandments, J cant be justified from a point of Transliteration? *sounds*
Its one thing saying the name to an unlearned person, so they can understand you, its another thing to uphold it as being okay, as if you need to appease men.
We know that the GREEK has no written consonants to denote the SH sound in Yeshua. So the SUS is used instead. The city of Tarshish can't be written in Greek so they wrote either Tarsus (Asia Minor) or (Tartessus) Spain.
Neotech..i think I understand where u are coming from when u diffrentiate the I, J and Y sounds. BUT if there really isn't a problem with a hard J sound that's used for JEW or JERUSALEM or JUDAH (which all start with an I in the GREEK) then why is there a problem with the Hard J sound of Jesus?
@bibletruth2009 More because its the Messiah than anything else, All the others are unacceptable also but the Messiah is the Master ....
And the 3rd command speaks of vain use of the fathers name, as they are one. It's lazy how can you change hes name twice when the first one Iesous was a genuine attempt to get the write name with what was available.
By the time Jesus came into play Yeshua, was easily pronounceable so that's disrespectful. We should fear the Father and Son they are one.
@bibletruth2009 that has been said already haven't you heard, I even found that quoted on a website..... LOL!!! so informations even need to be checked out.....
It was quoted as being in the book of "dictionary of Christian Lore and Legend, by JCJ Metford"
Bought the book and couldn't find anything about the "sus" meaning Zeus, so there's is lots of bogus info floating around.....
@neotech888 I respect the fact that u said that story was a FABLE. Unfortunately, however, MANY other proponents of Yahshua, Yeshua, Yahawashi etc would disagree with you. But you came correct with that one. Peace to you and yours.
@chazaqkabad You made the claim the "GREEK EQUIVALENT" "transliterated into English". The Greek equivalent of Yahoshuah will "NEVER" be JEHOSHUAH, YAHSHUA OR JOSHUAH. You are wrong in your breakdown chazaqkabad ! If you want to continue to prove your holy name argument take up the skype invitation. On another note, you are doing to much to call a language pagan.
@chazaqkabad You probably did change your thought but the statement you made was an error.
And if you what to do a skype discussion your skype name will be needed. And it is also a fact that Iesous is where Iesus comes from. And Iesous is a proper transliteration from the Hebrew Y'shuah. It's no big deal , no need for your personal passion & hostility.
@chazaqkabad It's not personal, as a person you seem to be an alright guy, but you are letting your personal conviction get in the way of unbiased truth.
Chazaqkabad meant Jesus should be turned to Joshua, and he is kind of right because Jesus, is practically the same as Iesous, so in english it should be Joshua, that's if we assumed that Jesus was not an english transliteration but a GREEK one!
ze5133, is RIGHT THOUGH... The word Jesus is an English Transliteration of Iesous
Yashua is Iesous in GREEK then Iesous to Jesus in English as transliteration goes...
I think my words have been clear enough, is a video necessary, and I would never put up a video to compete only to EDIFY!!! and it would have nothing to do with you??
I guess you are smarter than the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. That's who stated that Jesus or Iesus is Late Latin.
We know about the "J" the name is pronounced Hey Zeus. And you and I both agree that the Messiyah's name needs no translation, transliteration, or substitute.
His name does not change to suit any alphabet or language.
Yes I agree with all you said, scriptures tell us that the nations are liars so double checking what they say is a given....
But yes his name is Saviour... Yashua, Yahshuwah Yesha, Iesous, but just not JESUS <== That has no meaning its offensive, it makes the name vain (nothing)
but it is a proper transliteration from "IESOUS" the "I" & "J" are interchangeable the "J" carries originally the sound of "Y" so JESUS is pronounced Yesus or Iesus=Iesous.
Facts are facts, so sad you all refuse to accept truth.
*****And show us ,where a transliteration carries a different meaning other than the word it was transliterated from *****
No the J carries a Y sound in certain languages, which means we have to say it in French or Spanish to get an even stranger pronounciation, the Greek "i" doesn't sound like a y? That's a bilingual pronouciation?
Whats fact about what you said? That its okay to say Jesus.
It's obvious the name has been tampered with, why didn't they just use an "i" it still exists.....?
Iesous and Jesus are different that's the only fact here.
Transliteration of Iesous is Iesous, is that proof enough???
@neotech888 Taking his name in vain has nothing to do with the transliteration of the common name of Y'shuah.
But we will deal with that latter. "Trial of elimination" that's silly where are your facts??? Your argument is weak. do you have legitimate proof ??? Facts, facts, facts ???
Bring them to the table !
The ancients in Israel seen it fit to come up with the transliteration "IESOUS". And they knew Hebrew & Greek neither of which you seem to know .
@neotech888 Your mixed up, No the ancients didn't write English but they did write "Greek" and their transliteration of Y'shuah into Greek(before classical Latin) was=
I-E-S-O-U-S !!!! and we have proof of this .
Better yet, "You" spell Yeshuah or Yahshua in ancient Greek !!! Using Greek laws of grammar.
Yea, the arguments your bringing is laughable.
No one is talking down to you, that's your own perception, because your off into emotion not facts !
off into emotion not facts ! <=== off emotions says you don't even know what a fact is....
you Hebrew Israelites are always talking about emotionalism when you can't grasp basic concepts then you say its in the encyclopedia....or what ever other book!
I and J different sounds FACT (especially in English regardless) Greeks had no Y sound so you can transliterate with one!!!!!!!!!!!
@neotech888 And further more meet both arguments with the same measure,
many claim you can say "Yahshuah", but they will drop the "h" and spell it "Yahshua", or Yahoshuah and spell it Yahshua dropping the "o" & the "h"
So it is with "Iesous" a they just drop the "o" giving us "(j)Iesus". It's not hard at all, in fact it is so simple, you all just don't want to see it but that's your problem, but it makes you all look foolish, you all , don't have proof from facts, but from your imagination.
What measure shall i meet this discourse.... That Iesous, or Iesus is still not Jesus, Its a bad transliteration thats proof enough, transliteration involves using the same sounding letters Y or J/Y dont sound like "i" ??? You face the facts...
@neotech888 "Jesus=Iesus" are the same, you must think the "I" in Iesus is an "i" but that is how the "J" looked at first , to distinguish the "Jay" from the "i" a hook was added see= "I" "i" to "J" "j". And the original sound of "j" is a "y" also the "i" "j" & "y" are interchangeable !!! Are you aware of that???
Iesous is an "i" sound, the closest the Greeks had to a Y.
You can't use a J sound and say it sounds like or originally sounded like a y, (greeks didn't have a Y sound) when it doesn't in english.
An i should remain because thats what was there originally.
I'm aware of the J development, it came from France, where it sounds like y. Not the case in English. they are not interchangeable where sound is concerned.
@neotech888 Look Iam reading it out of the encyclopedia j,y &i are interchangeable and the original sound of "J" is "y" according to the encyclopedia. It did not say in French. Did you know that in the 1611 kjv the "j" looked like the "i" ? It looked like this=(" I ") but it was a "Jay" before the "hook" made the distinction,
Look, before we go further, we want "YOU" TO WRITE Y'shuah/Yehoshuah or Yahshua in the ancient GREEK using the GREEK LAWS OF GRAMMAR, please if you don't mind.
It didn't say in french, because its not accounting for the majority of the english words just those that do have a J that has a Y sound which is practically none....
example Hallelujah <=== which is just a farce, you are an ecyclopedia junkie, dont matter what the i looked like, its what it sounds like, once again i and Y are not the same
before the KJV 1611 was interepreted I, and J were distinquished as have seperate sounds... It was not a J before any distinction
@neotech888 Once again according to the books we have, "i" "y" & "J" are interchangeable.
You are an "opinionated" junkie lol. no facts, just opinions, figments of your imagination. In 1611 kjy the letter in (I)esus is a "J". lol
But let's deal with that latter .
1st. We WANT YOU TO WRITE THE MESSIAH'S NAME IN ANCIENT GREEK characters, please, please, please. Stop all that other chatter. answer the question. or leave it alone.
@yshuaknesset , the messiahs name in ancient greek here goes... Ιησούς Ιι Iota = i not J??? Ηη Eta Σσς Sigma Οο Omicron Υυ Upsilon Σσς Sigma You like that? Clap for me?? lol Like he said in the video they called the Messiah Ιησούς which is Iesous in English no J needed Iesous is English and the i still exists transliteration is based on sound??? not interchangeable J's to i's?? If you use Jesus thats a Translation, if thats what you're doing make that clear.
Did you say no disrespect? Well you went to the page and got the video you could have sent me a e-mail or a phone call before you posted a video response on my video.
@ze5133 You have you mind focused on proving your point that you failed at listening. You are ABSOLUTELY WRONG in your hearing my statement.
Fact is the Europeans lied about the "NT" it was written in Aramaic not Greek. The Septuagint put there spin on the Sacred writings so they could begin their lies.
Post up the whole video and not a part and you will see that the Greeks worship Zeus. I point that out in the whole 10 minute clip that you left out on purpose.
You said the "Greek equivalent"of Jahoshuah if you were to transliterate it into English would be Joshua and your incorrect either way, the Greek will never produce Joshuah or Yahoshua, so what ze5133 is saying,is that you have claimed that the Greek transliteration can give you Joshuah, and that is simply not true it is an error.
The point is that the name does not translate because his mother did not name him Hey Zeus. That's pagan and that terms for the lake of fire a direct violation of the 3rd Commandment.
The devout men never Transliterated the name, they used the letters available to them....
Breaking the 3 commandment and putting out a double minded message on is WRONG.
We have foresight, satan has worked in the minds and spirits of men to give us the wonderful corrupt names JESUS, JEHOVAH and so forth with the use of sounds....
Using these names is vanity.
The name means SAVE if it don't it's vain and blasphemous how can you address the Messiah as anything less than the saviour?!!
Why transliterate the name of the Messiah.clearly by doing so you create confusion..
tayweighda 3 months ago
Yeshua originated from a rabbinical acronym "yemach shemo uzreka" which means make his name YAHUW THE SAVIOR to be destroyed. Yahshuah is the true AbraYA meaning for YAHUWAH HE WHO SAVES. AmaniYAH
Razieljon 3 months ago
Yeshua #3442 in Strongs.Meaning:For he shall save.Matthew 1:21 and thou shall call his name JESUS:For he shall save.Hummmm?
Yod,Shin,Waw,Ayin +Yshwa or Yeshua.Joshua = Yeshua in english....so Why use Jesus?
Huummm? I wander what my name would be if I went to another country? The Same right....
Just thinking here.Hummm?
Elderyoungone 2 years ago
well if greek dont have the sh sound thats they problem
PotJericho 2 years ago
Let's see...since I don't STUDY to SHEW myself approved as some have suggested.
Acts 10:1-2
A GENTILE Italian name Cornelius prayed to our Heavenly Father.
Acts 10:4 an Angel answers his prayer
What LANGUAGE did Cornelius pray in?
What NAME did Cornelius call upon when he prayed?
Better yet..did the angel speak to Cornelius in HEBREW?????
Any takers?
LOL
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
If you feel like "study to show your self approved" has convicted you to come up with all those questions, it is evident you need to study.... your problem is you can't refute anything i'm saying with out adding your opinion..
the Italian is more than likely to have addressed the Most High as the God of the Hebrews/Israel in his native tongue....
Angels can speak every language the Most high gave languages.
Cornelius can pray in his own tongue
Whats your point???
neotech888 2 years ago
The POINT was that Cornelius a GENTILE prayed to the Most High in a NON HEBREW tongue and his prayers were answered.
You have NO IDEA what NAME Cornelius called on. He could have just said GOD of the HEBREWS
Again it was really a SIMPLE question that u could NOT answer properly.
To address your answer with a "more than likely" is another example of this so called HYPOTHETICAL NONSENSE that u can't deal with.
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
Read Judges 12:4-6
Some of the children of Israel had speech impediments (as they do today)
They could not say SHIBBOLETH..but pronounced it SIBBOLETH...
If they couldn't say the "SH" sound..then HOW can they say Yahshua, Yehoshua Yahawashi., etc?
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
More Hypothetical nonsense
If you cant say the Sh sound you would obviously have it in mind when you were attempting to say the name.
That's the most stupid thing I have ever heard seriously!!!
neotech888 2 years ago
Again u have no answer so u just resort to your "hypothetical nonsense" scenario.
U are really sensitive, dude. But the owners of this page already admonished brothers not to be so EMOTIONAL. I see that y'all ain't taking heed. LOL
They can't SAY the SH sound so APPARENTLY they can't say YAHSHUA. So are they BREAKING the THIRD COMMANDMENT???????????
U still didn't answer that question
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
There's no again... Stop repeating what i say it's obvious you are from a Hebrew Israelite indoctrinated camp....
You can't differentiate between emotion and good reason
"They can't SAY the SH sound so APPARENTLY they can't say YAHSHUA. So are they BREAKING the THIRD COMMANDMENT"<=== some more childish nonsense,
Why do they have to say it if they know it?? You're having a hard time comprehending, basic things.....
Your a joke...I'm fine??
neotech888 2 years ago
You won't answer the question because you CAN'T. It's OKAY to say "I don't know". Or has PRIDE and ARROGANCE blinded u to that fact
The joke's on YOU partner. U CLAIM to have the "hebrew" name of the Messiah, then go use that NAME to HEAL THE SICK , FEED the HUNGRY and RAISE the DEAD.
What? U mean u can't do THAT either?
Good grief man...
All u can do is THEORIZE and HYPOTHESIZE while u pick cotton on the plantation.
That in itself it the JOKE of the DAY
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
Okay you true colours have blossomed...
Don't even know why you're talking to me, you're childish, I wasn't speaking to you in the first instance, you brought your opinion, scriptures don't support it... END OF!!!
Heal the sick, feed the hungry raise the dead?? Those are signs that will follow, not everybody will do all those things though?? Once again you have no point to make "PARTNER?"
Go and study... you need it, seriously...
neotech888 2 years ago
@bibletruth2009 Neotech do need to humble himself , he brings a lot opinionated theories
to the discussion.
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
Who admonished anybody for not taking head?? You're sneaky, they can't help you?? Learn to differentiate between emotion, and disappointment..... at stupidity....
neotech888 2 years ago
We need to realize it's not about US or our comfort levels or what offends US. We are not important. His WORD is.
His WORD is good enough to identify the Mark of the Beast..the Whore of Babylon, the Abomination of Desolation, the Identity of Israel, the SEED of Abraham, etc, but it can't tell us His NAME?
Is God's hand shortened? No it isn't.
You don't have to call on the name Jesus. But it's written in His BOOK. If we have to go OUTSIDE His book to get His name..then we have a big problem
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
@bibletruth2009 Praise the Most High for your soundness and open mind Bibletruth, and also it is a blessing to witness the wisdom the almighty have given you, beautiful breakdown in your comments.
Shalom, to you and your house!
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
Praise the LORD for you brothers and yshuaknesset. I enjoy your teachings and the humble spirit that u come in. Thank you for having these sites to allow me to share my comments. Shalom to you and yours as well
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
@bibletruth2009 His word says
Exodus 20:7
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
You're just siding with Kenesset of "Jesus", and their teaching to break commandments,
Scriptures say study to show your self approved, Hebrew word for saviour is Yesha, Yeshua <== Study is necessary, all of what you just said is hypothetical
neotech888 2 years ago
Neo...let me ask u THIS question..when the MOST HIGH gave Moses HIS name in Exodus 6:3, how did HE pronounce HIS name???
Be sure not to BEAR FALSE WITNESS when u answer.
If u are HONEST with yourself...ANY ANSWER u give is just HYPOTHETICAL
1st Thess 5:21
PROVE ALL THINGS......
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
If we know the Messiahs name we should use it hes not a JESUS end of.
Good brothers keep the commandments, they dont justify sin,
It seems to me that you believe Israel camps are an authority on scriptures? the last I checked they were saying Esau was the white man.....?
I don't care what those loony camps are saying they are embarrassing frankly....
neotech888 2 years ago
Neo...sin is defined as TRANSGRESSION of the LAW. What law is broken by reading writing and saying JESUS? The third commandment?
That's like saying King James is a sodomite and King James WROTE the bible, BUT he FORGOT to leave out Leviticus 18:22
Now THAT is LOONY
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
The Law is broken when the name Jesus is up held as being a transliteration when it's clearly not, its a corruption of ====>> Ιησούς IESOUS
NOTE: This is apparent after a study....
King James never wrote the bible, you need to study for real, you make points from no point!!!
We'll soon be in 2010, don't forget to update your name to the latest edition......
neotech888 2 years ago
Neotech
You say that JESUS is not good enough. Good
enough for who, you or HIM?
We can ask a random number of Israelites from ANY CAMP which BOOK they read to determine that they were Israelites. I can wager that 99.99999% will answer the King James Version.
Now here is a dilemma. The King James version is good enough to identify US but not good enough to identify the name of our Creator or His Son our King? Again..who is MORE IMPORTANT..HIM or us?
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
KJV is also the same book that had you and Most all of us thinking we were Hamites too... Therefore it wasn't the reading of any words that had you figure that out it was/is the Ruach that came to you and everyone on this page. I find it funny that it is hard for someone in anytime period to not beable to say a word just because they don't "write it that way" c'mon now I don't care where I go if I want to say someones name right I can Period
Cwynn83 2 years ago
@Cwynn83 For your info., you are wrong again! the KJV. HAVE NEVER, WHAT SO EVER TAUGHT US, that we came from Ham. We never got that impression from "reading" the Kvj. If I'm not mistaken, it was those demonic preachers, that gave that impression to people WHO DIDN'T READ !!!
You know the problem with many people, is that when they get a little knowledge, it puffeth up! People forget a good teacher, is also a good student. Humble yourself, learn, you are clearly missing info. you need !!!
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
@Cwynn83 And just as the false teachers lied convincing many that "all" blacks came from Hamites, and many believed them, because of the lack of their own thorough research. So it is now, LYING teachers, teaching the uninformed, THAT THEY CAN'T SAY IESUS/IESOUS OR JESUS AND THAT THESE NAMES COME FROM ZUES, AND THAT YAHSHUAH CAN'T, OR SHOULD NOT BE TRANSLITERATED. AND THE UNINFORMED, FLOCK TO THESE LIES LIKE FLIES TO DUNG !!!!
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
... and if I want to CHANGE it I can do that too just like it has been CHANGED!
I know when I leave the country my names keeps the same spelling atleast
His name is not Iesous or Jesus it was and still is Yahshua, how does one come in their Fathers name but not have his father's name?
As for what you said who is more important it's HIM all day everyday so why not respect our FATHERS name like he told us? When you disrespect the Son's name you disrespect the Fathers too.
Cwynn83 2 years ago
@Cwynn83 You must not be aware of the fact the the Messiah's name was a common name in Israel, 2. You must not be aware that The Ancient Israelites transliterated the name Yahshuah to IESOUS , Did you Know that ?
If not,study! Do an honest intelligent search.
Your statement "...when I leave the country my name is spelled the same " shows you lack understanding, you are off!!!
You must not be aware that the people of that country can but have not transliterated your name . BUT THEY COULD !
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
@yshuaknesset It does not show a lack of understanding hes right, today names do retain there spelling in most places....
You insist on assuming you know how learned people are you are very condescending...
Did the ancients say I E S O U S <=== or just spell it? you don't know do you, they couldn't put hebrew lettering into Greek text so they done what they had to do.... Stop twisting historic events!!!
you really need to wake up!
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 What event am I referring to ?
Since you say that, I am "twisting" history, on the ancients what events are we referring ? They had to do what they had to do ? What did they do ?
They retain their spelling only if the other language have the characters, You know what,
It's just pride and personal opinion, until this day , so many build doctrines of off OPINIONS, OPINIONS, OPINIONS, OPINIONS....It looks as if you cats just REFUSE TO SEE !!!!! IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
I disagree all of what I say can be supported. I think its you that doesn't want to get understanding...
I haven't used opinion once, I used the 3rd commandment and the term transliteration, morden latin etc and study....
You need to come to grips with it....
Because the Messiahs name is Yeshua... this doesn't mean Jesus can't be said when explaining to an unlearned person, but it does mean you can't support it if you are keeping the commandments.....
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 that's your opinion on the matter, and that's your interpretation on the third commandment.
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
You twist historic events when you say
"The Ancient Israelites transliterated the name Yahshuah to IESOUS" <=== Untrue if we want to be technical
Greek language doesn't have the letters I E S O U S <==== These are modern latin/English letters.... they just happen to be equivalent to Ιι Εε Σσς Οο Υυ Σσς <=== Which is what the ancients actually gave us, isn't that right??
Thats what they had to sound out Yeshua????
neotech888 2 years ago
And thats "Scriptural Science" ????
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 That looks right !
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
@bibletruth2009 lol. EXCELLENT POINT !!! That is a good observation !!!
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
My point is..these brothers at Yshuaknesset are some good brothers.
I think they just did some GOOD RESEARCH and want to present their facts to the public in order that we can all be well informed.
Let us REASON together saith the Lord.....
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
@bibletruth2009 I hear that but I fear the Most High and his son, Jesus is not good enough....
We must keep all the commandments, J cant be justified from a point of Transliteration? *sounds*
Its one thing saying the name to an unlearned person, so they can understand you, its another thing to uphold it as being okay, as if you need to appease men.
Transliteration is all about sounds....
neotech888 2 years ago
We know that the GREEK has no written consonants to denote the SH sound in Yeshua. So the SUS is used instead. The city of Tarshish can't be written in Greek so they wrote either Tarsus (Asia Minor) or (Tartessus) Spain.
Nothing malicious about that
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
Neotech..i think I understand where u are coming from when u diffrentiate the I, J and Y sounds. BUT if there really isn't a problem with a hard J sound that's used for JEW or JERUSALEM or JUDAH (which all start with an I in the GREEK) then why is there a problem with the Hard J sound of Jesus?
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
@bibletruth2009 More because its the Messiah than anything else, All the others are unacceptable also but the Messiah is the Master ....
And the 3rd command speaks of vain use of the fathers name, as they are one. It's lazy how can you change hes name twice when the first one Iesous was a genuine attempt to get the write name with what was available.
By the time Jesus came into play Yeshua, was easily pronounceable so that's disrespectful. We should fear the Father and Son they are one.
neotech888 2 years ago
The next thing u know, they will tell us that the city of Tarsus means City of ZEUS or Pig City...cuz of that sus suffix. LOL
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
@bibletruth2009 that has been said already haven't you heard, I even found that quoted on a website..... LOL!!! so informations even need to be checked out.....
It was quoted as being in the book of "dictionary of Christian Lore and Legend, by JCJ Metford"
Bought the book and couldn't find anything about the "sus" meaning Zeus, so there's is lots of bogus info floating around.....
neotech888 2 years ago
Grace and Peace to u and yours Yshuaknesset
Okay. I am curious about something
If u write out Jesus in Greek this is what u get. Jesus = Iisous = Ιησούς
If u write out Christ in Greek, this is what u get.
Christ = Χristos o = Χριστός ο
If u write out ZEUS in Greek..this is what u get
ZEUS = Zeys = Ζεύς.
So how does the word JESUS translate to ZEUS in the Greek?????????????
No matter how many times I ask this question I never get a STRAIGHT FORWARD answer. LOL
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
@bibletruth2009 Tell me about it ! lol.
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
@bibletruth2009 It doesn't the Zeus story is a fable.....
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 I respect the fact that u said that story was a FABLE. Unfortunately, however, MANY other proponents of Yahshua, Yeshua, Yahawashi etc would disagree with you. But you came correct with that one. Peace to you and yours.
bibletruth2009 2 years ago
@bibletruth2009 they are free styling, just taking what they have heard from others they need to do their own studies....
neotech888 2 years ago
I can't wait to see the conclusion you brotha's come up with. Personally I use Yahshua. Rightly divide the word in love please!
ChaazaqaYah
v8diva 2 years ago
I said @ 2:50 Transliterated into ENGLISH NOT GREEK.
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
@chazaqkabad You made the claim the "GREEK EQUIVALENT" "transliterated into English". The Greek equivalent of Yahoshuah will "NEVER" be JEHOSHUAH, YAHSHUA OR JOSHUAH. You are wrong in your breakdown chazaqkabad ! If you want to continue to prove your holy name argument take up the skype invitation. On another note, you are doing to much to call a language pagan.
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
@yshuaknesset Why not ask me instead of saying what I said?
My exact words: The Greek equivilalent to the Messiyah's name; If you want to transliterate it into English.
So I actually changed the thought in the middle of the sentence the subject was the name in English.
Fact remains Jesus is not English but Late Latin.
As I stated be on the look out for my follow up video. So if you want a challenge it's on.......
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
@chazaqkabad You probably did change your thought but the statement you made was an error.
And if you what to do a skype discussion your skype name will be needed. And it is also a fact that Iesous is where Iesus comes from. And Iesous is a proper transliteration from the Hebrew Y'shuah. It's no big deal , no need for your personal passion & hostility.
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
@chazaqkabad It's not personal, as a person you seem to be an alright guy, but you are letting your personal conviction get in the way of unbiased truth.
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
Both need to stop..
Chazaqkabad meant Jesus should be turned to Joshua, and he is kind of right because Jesus, is practically the same as Iesous, so in english it should be Joshua, that's if we assumed that Jesus was not an english transliteration but a GREEK one!
ze5133, is RIGHT THOUGH... The word Jesus is an English Transliteration of Iesous
Yashua is Iesous in GREEK then Iesous to Jesus in English as transliteration goes...
Yashua (heb) - Iesous (grk) - Jesus (eng)
to be continued......
neotech888 2 years ago
Why should we put trust in Greek. The New Testament was in Aramaic. The Greek New Testament is a lie and I will prove it in a follow up video.
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
And Jesus is not English. Get out a dictionary and it states that JESUS IS Late Latin. Not English.
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
English is not a pure language, when the J was introduced the English language adopted it....
Late latin, you really need to get of your high horse seriously!
Which dictionary was that did it say anything about the J too? You need to stop confusing people my explanation will suffice...
Your just confusing people....REPENT!
neotech888 2 years ago
Why don't you post a video response so I can do one on you too.
Then you can REPENT SON!
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
I have nothing to Repent of here...
I think my words have been clear enough, is a video necessary, and I would never put up a video to compete only to EDIFY!!! and it would have nothing to do with you??
neotech888 2 years ago
One more thing if Jesus is Latin, your reasoning is still wrong....
And how many different letters are there between "LATE" latin and English???
Answer is... NONE! there is no J in late Latin or ENGLISH, J is only in "Morden" Latin.....So take a look at the alphabet and bin that dictionary....
And this is the *confusion* i'm talking about, just throw out some here say, then say its in the dictionary, or a fact...???
The Messiahs name is SAVIOUR = Yashua...???
neotech888 2 years ago
I guess you are smarter than the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. That's who stated that Jesus or Iesus is Late Latin.
We know about the "J" the name is pronounced Hey Zeus. And you and I both agree that the Messiyah's name needs no translation, transliteration, or substitute.
His name does not change to suit any alphabet or language.
His name is forever Yahshuwah.
EXCEPT NO SUBSTITUTIONS PERIOD!
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
Yes I agree with all you said, scriptures tell us that the nations are liars so double checking what they say is a given....
But yes his name is Saviour... Yashua, Yahshuwah Yesha, Iesous, but just not JESUS <== That has no meaning its offensive, it makes the name vain (nothing)
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 Well it may be an offense to you,
but it is a proper transliteration from "IESOUS" the "I" & "J" are interchangeable the "J" carries originally the sound of "Y" so JESUS is pronounced Yesus or Iesus=Iesous.
Facts are facts, so sad you all refuse to accept truth.
*****And show us ,where a transliteration carries a different meaning other than the word it was transliterated from *****
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
No the J carries a Y sound in certain languages, which means we have to say it in French or Spanish to get an even stranger pronounciation, the Greek "i" doesn't sound like a y? That's a bilingual pronouciation?
Whats fact about what you said? That its okay to say Jesus.
It's obvious the name has been tampered with, why didn't they just use an "i" it still exists.....?
Iesous and Jesus are different that's the only fact here.
Transliteration of Iesous is Iesous, is that proof enough???
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 In the "English" language the "ORIGINAL" sound of the consonant "J" carried the sound of "Y" as in the word "yacht".
What documentation to you have that give witness to your opinion, that the name was tampered with ???
This superstitious name doctrine is ridiculous
that you cats are bringing, it is a FIGMENT of your imagination.
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
What documentation to you have that give witness to your opinion, that the name was
tampered with ??? """
Trial of elimination... that is evidence enough, when did the letter j sound like Y in English???
Except in Spanish or French...?
You are reaching once again, and the is no name doctrine just keeping the commandments that's it....
Exodus 20:7
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain...
So cleanse your imaginations
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 Taking his name in vain has nothing to do with the transliteration of the common name of Y'shuah.
But we will deal with that latter. "Trial of elimination" that's silly where are your facts??? Your argument is weak. do you have legitimate proof ??? Facts, facts, facts ???
Bring them to the table !
The ancients in Israel seen it fit to come up with the transliteration "IESOUS". And they knew Hebrew & Greek neither of which you seem to know .
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
No, talking down to me doesn't make your claims true just means you cant disprove anything so you have to bring a deceptive tone to the discussion,
The Ancients didn't write in English???
So when did they write it as Iesous? You don't have a clue what you're talking about ancients, don't make me laugh....
The classic latin was used to get Iesous from the Greek lettering....
Tell me why they transliterated what they had already transliterated...?
Did they change all i's to J's?
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 Your mixed up, No the ancients didn't write English but they did write "Greek" and their transliteration of Y'shuah into Greek(before classical Latin) was=
I-E-S-O-U-S !!!! and we have proof of this .
Better yet, "You" spell Yeshuah or Yahshua in ancient Greek !!! Using Greek laws of grammar.
Yea, the arguments your bringing is laughable.
No one is talking down to you, that's your own perception, because your off into emotion not facts !
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
Laughable ? to you once again, if I took the same tone as you, you would have no chance an I and J are different sounding letters.... Full stop
You have absolutely no proof the ancients gave use I E S O U S that's an out right lie, expected from you...
stop asking me questions because you never answer any?? you're a complete joke!
Laughable, I and J what do they sound like? you're the only laughable one here dredlock Israelite !!!
whats with all the explanation marks joker LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 A lie, naw, we got proof, the ancient Israelites came up with the transliteration I-E-S-O-U-S. lol. and we can drop it on you !
But we will deal with that latter also. Answer the question please. And we will be glad, to answer your question.
Don't throw up smoke screens !!!!!!
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
off into emotion not facts ! <=== off emotions says you don't even know what a fact is....
you Hebrew Israelites are always talking about emotionalism when you can't grasp basic concepts then you say its in the encyclopedia....or what ever other book!
I and J different sounds FACT (especially in English regardless) Greeks had no Y sound so you can transliterate with one!!!!!!!!!!!
Today people say Jesus they dont say Yesus
that is not right....
my point is we should say his real name...??
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 No some people still say Yesus.
One thing we do know, is that you are not giving
any facts, and it's more to bring out but it's to much to type, but 1st just answer the question please!!!
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
@yshuaknesset If people say Yesus, they do that using the letters Ιησούς = I E S O U S,
But Jesus? how you get that sound from Ιησούς
They say Yesus because they understand it was transliterated from Yesha
.........?????
neotech888 2 years ago
@yshuaknesset Now you're just lying? who said the Ancients wrote English??
I know they wrote Greek, nothing is laughable just your arrogants, when a proper discussion is being carried out, don't you know its rude to laugh??
Who said the ancients didn't come up with The ancient Greek lettering??? Stop lying please, its pathetic, i never said that??
The Ancients didn't come up with I to J?? Thats my point
call your self the Kenneset of I-E-S-O-U-S <=== Thats more acceptable....
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 Taking his name in vain has nothing to do with the transliteration of the common name of Y'shuah.
Praying in the name of a Jesus is not vain, we wont get to anything later you seem to think you know everything and you clearly don't.....
neotech888 2 years ago
Excellent Point Neotech888, Excellent point!
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
@neotech888 And further more meet both arguments with the same measure,
many claim you can say "Yahshuah", but they will drop the "h" and spell it "Yahshua", or Yahoshuah and spell it Yahshua dropping the "o" & the "h"
So it is with "Iesous" a they just drop the "o" giving us "(j)Iesus". It's not hard at all, in fact it is so simple, you all just don't want to see it but that's your problem, but it makes you all look foolish, you all , don't have proof from facts, but from your imagination.
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
What measure shall i meet this discourse.... That Iesous, or Iesus is still not Jesus, Its a bad transliteration thats proof enough, transliteration involves using the same sounding letters Y or J/Y dont sound like "i" ??? You face the facts...
Its no longer a transliteration....
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 "Jesus=Iesus" are the same, you must think the "I" in Iesus is an "i" but that is how the "J" looked at first , to distinguish the "Jay" from the "i" a hook was added see= "I" "i" to "J" "j". And the original sound of "j" is a "y" also the "i" "j" & "y" are interchangeable !!! Are you aware of that???
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
Iesous is an "i" sound, the closest the Greeks had to a Y.
You can't use a J sound and say it sounds like or originally sounded like a y, (greeks didn't have a Y sound) when it doesn't in english.
An i should remain because thats what was there originally.
I'm aware of the J development, it came from France, where it sounds like y. Not the case in English. they are not interchangeable where sound is concerned.
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 Look Iam reading it out of the encyclopedia j,y &i are interchangeable and the original sound of "J" is "y" according to the encyclopedia. It did not say in French. Did you know that in the 1611 kjv the "j" looked like the "i" ? It looked like this=(" I ") but it was a "Jay" before the "hook" made the distinction,
Look, before we go further, we want "YOU" TO WRITE Y'shuah/Yehoshuah or Yahshua in the ancient GREEK using the GREEK LAWS OF GRAMMAR, please if you don't mind.
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
It didn't say in french, because its not accounting for the majority of the english words just those that do have a J that has a Y sound which is practically none....
example Hallelujah <=== which is just a farce, you are an ecyclopedia junkie, dont matter what the i looked like, its what it sounds like, once again i and Y are not the same
before the KJV 1611 was interepreted I, and J were distinquished as have seperate sounds... It was not a J before any distinction
what you on about???
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 Once again according to the books we have, "i" "y" & "J" are interchangeable.
You are an "opinionated" junkie lol. no facts, just opinions, figments of your imagination. In 1611 kjy the letter in (I)esus is a "J". lol
But let's deal with that latter .
1st. We WANT YOU TO WRITE THE MESSIAH'S NAME IN ANCIENT GREEK characters, please, please, please. Stop all that other chatter. answer the question. or leave it alone.
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
neotech888 2 years ago
@yshuaknesset I've been stating fact all day what you on about? why you have to say i'm not stating fact, shall i say I have a book in front of me?
Before the king james i and J were known to have different sounds so that "i" is an i not a J OKAY....
Conclusion
Iesous to Jesus, this is a translation, if you think thats okay then just say that, but i would call that vain (making the name nothing).
And the Spirit agrees
peace
neotech888 2 years ago
correction @ 2:50
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
Did you say no disrespect? Well you went to the page and got the video you could have sent me a e-mail or a phone call before you posted a video response on my video.
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
If you listen CAREFULLY to what I said you will notice I did not say that Joshuwah was Greek.
I Said @ 2:52 that if you want to translitterate it into English it would be Joshuwah or Yahoshuwah or Yahshuwah.
That's what I said. You are trying to make me look like I don't know what I'm saying to defend a pagan substitution called ZEUS.
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
We know you didn't call Jahoshuah greek,
but you claimed that the "GREEK" equivalent of
Yahoshuah was Joshuah which is incorrect.
ze5133 2 years ago
You must be real slow man. Listen @2:50 again. Let me help you if you press the @ 2:50 it will take your right there.
And next time you should put the whole clip up so you can learn the real truth about the origin of the name Jesus.
I said the English Equivalent is Joshuwah/ Yahowshuwah/Yahshuwah. I talk fast sometimes but that's exactly what I said.
Have you heard of Peshitta?
It is a fact that the disciples spoke Aramaic/Peshitta they have even found the scrolls written in Aramaic.
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
@ze5133 You have you mind focused on proving your point that you failed at listening. You are ABSOLUTELY WRONG in your hearing my statement.
Fact is the Europeans lied about the "NT" it was written in Aramaic not Greek. The Septuagint put there spin on the Sacred writings so they could begin their lies.
Post up the whole video and not a part and you will see that the Greeks worship Zeus. I point that out in the whole 10 minute clip that you left out on purpose.
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
@chazaqkabad You should listen @2:45-2:51
You said the "Greek equivalent"of Jahoshuah if you were to transliterate it into English would be Joshua and your incorrect either way, the Greek will never produce Joshuah or Yahoshua, so what ze5133 is saying,is that you have claimed that the Greek transliteration can give you Joshuah, and that is simply not true it is an error.
yshuaknesset 2 years ago
The point is that the name does not translate because his mother did not name him Hey Zeus. That's pagan and that terms for the lake of fire a direct violation of the 3rd Commandment.
chazaqkabad 2 years ago
The devout men never Transliterated the name, they used the letters available to them....
Breaking the 3 commandment and putting out a double minded message on is WRONG.
We have foresight, satan has worked in the minds and spirits of men to give us the wonderful corrupt names JESUS, JEHOVAH and so forth with the use of sounds....
Using these names is vanity.
The name means SAVE if it don't it's vain and blasphemous how can you address the Messiah as anything less than the saviour?!!
Peace
neotech888 2 years ago
@neotech888 Naw, devout LAW abiding Israelites
wrote the Hebrew scriptures into the Greek,called the Septuagint , and they transliterated the name Yehoshuah into iesous.
ze5133 2 years ago
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neotech888 2 years ago
Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Jesus (Greek) - Strong's Concordance
G2424
Ἰησοῦς
Iēsous
ee-ay-sooce'
Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: - Jesus.
ilove2sing23 2 years ago
Amen a brotha who knows what he is talking about, solute to you Shalowm Akh
onedropatl 2 years ago