I don't think anyone is scared by anything Wakefield or Halsey said. They are worried because they observed children who were normal and then weren't. Its sad that the scientific community is so dedicated to protecting the pharmiceutical industry which funds it from accountability and liability. Greed has taken the place of objective research.
Thank you so much for sharing this vid. Our l'il city of Montréal will be hosting Harriet Hall, Dr. Paul Offit, Robert Park and Dr. Edzard Ernst on Nov. the 7th and 8th. If anyone is near or in Montréal on those dates, please do come. It is being sponsered by the Trottier Family and it is free. Google "The Lorne Trottier Public Science Symposium Series" for details. Thanks!
So every American student is required to have "x" number of vaccines before enrollment. This represents a lot of vaccines to be administered. The pharmaceutical corporations presumably are the same as all other corps-protecting their investments and profits morally or immorally. Also, the CDC was ordered by the FDA in 1982 to do tests confirming the questions aforementioned in this video.
Perhaps medical science is in greater need for a reestablishment of trust and credibility with less time spent in their haughty discredidation of anyone daring to demonstrate opposition. Current medical pomposity suggests that only scientists need possess a critical mind, and only when they aren’t on the payroll of big pharma. Otherwise, I continue to proceed with caution.
Are ALL vaccinations safe and necessary? Do individual patients possess different pharmacogenetics in their reaction to ethyl mercury and vaccines? Can we truly trust a broken big pharma model actively traded under a free market capitalistic system where whistle-blowers are often ostracized? Seem like valid questions to me. Strangely, the most advanced medical society and their over-medicated US populace only ranks 38th in world life expectancy.
What a load of crap. Whistle blowers are ostracized by the corporation upon whom the whistle was blown, and they are treated like heroes by everyone else. Unless their claim turns out to be complete bullshit.
Anyone have any theories as to why my son developed a headache & stomach ache immediately after the MMR shot and has had it constantly for 3 months since? He is a 4 year old who can tell me exactly what is bothering him. I don't think anyone can rule out the possibility of a link, especially those who have no experience with the shot. If you are not a scientist or a parent with experience please keep your ignorance to yourself.
@xen0ninja Duh! We've seen our pediatrician at least 3 times about this. They don't know. Before you say to change pediatricians let me say we have had 3 so far and he is the best. Why do you think autoimmune conditions are at an all time high now. If you think there aren't toxins in our food, clothing, upholstery, water and vaccines then why are babies being born pre-polluted? Look it up. People do your research, read medical journals & talk to doctors before commenting.
you should do the same then. there is no evidence to suggest that vaccinations make you sick. Maybe the sickness of your child just happen to come forth at the same time as the vaccine was administrated. you must not forget that correlation does not imply causation.
Okay, fine, that's a nice collection of insults and red herrings.
Can you define toxins now?
Oh, and you realize there's cyanide in apple seeds, right? I suppose now you want to ban apples, too, since poisonous substances (I assume that's what you think a "toxin" is), no matter the quantity, means a product is dangerous.
midgard's shortcomings - "oh wait there's already DNA in my body"
There is a difference between human, bacterial & yeast DNA. The difference, simply put, is self and non-self. Look it up sweetheart. Stop wasting everyone's time. Stop continuing to hurt infants & kids with your rhetoric and illogical arguments
Scientists working at a pharmaceutical company claim vaccines & pharmaceuticals in general have excess toxins needing removal. Your ignorance injures & kills
Not only did Dr Walker find MMR measles virus in the gut of a high % of autistic children, he states this did not prove causation
Over-shill omits that Dr Walker also said "we must determine what is causing the bowel condition which has a direct influence on cognitive and behavioral issues associated with autism"
From Dr Wakefield's study - "We did not prove an association between [MMR] & the syndrome described"
Both doctors call for rigorous independent study. Shills fight that idea
""we must determine what is causing the bowel condition which has a direct influence on cognitive and behavioral issues associated with autism"
Omitting a quote that does not support your argument is wrong why? He's saying they DIDN'T find a connection. I think you need to work on reading comprehension.
So do you have any evidence that actually supports the vaccine/autism connection, or just more people who say they haven't found a connection?
By the way, I'd be all for a rigorous independent study, if only to shut you morons up (of course the magic think crowd isnt beyond moving goal posts..). I'd be more supportive of it, if there was - you know - a compelling reason to believe that there actually was a connection between autism and vaccines. Plausibility would be a nice start.
Here Overseer earns the moniker Over-shill. Before any study is done he denies there is a need for any study
Vaccines are the only known correlation with autism, yet the shills (including scientists) claim that anything else is more plausable than vaccines although nothing else correlates. The best genetic studies to date only correlate 15% of autism to genes and ALWAYS call for environmental triggers
And he refers to people calling for detoxifying and studying vaccines morons... lolol
Environmental triggers are not just pollution. Those environmental triggers scientists are looking for? Vaccines are environmental triggers also... anything that is not genetic is environmental... nature vs nurture
""Vaccines are the only known correlation with autism""
That's like saying smoking is correlated with puberty, because lots of kids hit puberty when they start smoking. Autism is genetical. We've known this for decades.
Autism is not genetic in origin. The best genetic studies to date tie less than 15% of autism to genes. In ALL the ties to genes geneticists admit environmental triggers, like vaccines, have to be involved
A genetic cause of autism CANNOT explain the rise in cases during the 90's. The vaccine schedule was greatly increased & the use of gene-altered bacteria to create antigen introduced many more toxins we then injected into infants & kids
Midgard read a bit before you try to enter this debate
dpowens , another shill quick to lie, short on evidence
Baselessly dismissing the info I post isn't addressing it, but that's one of the thing shills do when confronted with truth
Their mantra - Lie Inflame Distract Deceive Spam. If exposed, repeat
I challenge dp or any shill to produce evidence (not correlation) showing vaccines are safe & not involved in the current autistic numbers of 1 in 100. This excludes other type of vaccine injuries giving you a little help
So you want me to provide negative evidence. I'm honestly beginning to think you don't know the first thing about science/skepticism. And therefore are not really worth bothering with. The infantile namecalling in every one of your posts is just the icing on the cake.
Harriet is careful about what she says, but she is still a lying shill. That's all shills can do regarding Dr Wakefield's study, vaccines and autism
She says the parents of 8 autistics thought the autism occurred after the MMR. She says this turned out not to be true, but she doesn't clarify. 1 parent was mistaken or all 8? (It is actually ZERO.)
Some of the children's onset of symptoms was verified by family physicians. 3 of the children's reaction to the MMR jab were convulsions.
@michael0156 Hahaha, how do you explain the firestorm presently surrounding Mr. Wakefield, then? Conspiracy? How do you explain his results not being reproducable by anyone else, which is a basic requirement of all science? Get your head out of the sand. This guy is an exposed fraud, and you make yourself look like a fool (which is, perhaps, an accurate portrayal) by defending him.
In 2001 John O'Leary, Professor of Pathology at St James's Hospital and Trinity College, Dublin, replicated Dr Wakefield's findings
In 2006 Dr Walker of Wake University, in a study of 275 children with autism, identified more than 100 with measles virus in their gut. All virus were the same strain as the attenuated vaccine virus
In 2001 15 scientists at the IOM warned MMR could not be ruled out as the source of measles in the gut of autistic children
Hey Mr. Mature Namecalling Guy, Wakefield's work has been rebuked by the journal who published and then rescinded it. Citing three experiments out of thousands attempting to replicate results IS very weak. They're called outliers. Saying "more will follow" and then resorting to namecalling instead says it all, I think.
to dp. Calling you a shill or dupe is truth, not baseless name-calling. However I no longer think you're a dupe & now refer to you as a shill
shill - a person who praises something for reasons of self-interest or personal profit
Carl Sagan 1996 - Today there are commercials in which scientists, some of considerable distinction, shill for corporations. They teach that scientists too will lie for money. As Tom Paine warned, inuring us to lies lays the groundwork for many other evils
Even if we know,for a fact,beyond a shadow of doubt (which is FAR from true btw) that vaccines cause EVERY case of autism,the number of people who don't die because of vaccines still VASTLY outnumbers the number of people who would have been autistic. so even if Wakefields "research" was true,and it's not,by a long shot,the choice at that point would be whether you want an autistic kid,or a dead kid. ZERO connection people,jesus
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Dr Andrew Wakefield is a hero of modern medicine, maligned & persecuted for speaking the truth. Part of his story is here-
h t t p : / / w w w . melaniephillips . c o m / articles / archives / 001468 . h t m l
Even after reading about autism/vaccines for over a year I was shocked to see the heinous acts to deny identifying the problems that may cause autism. This delays true efforts to stop the damage from occurring & getting the best help & research for the children we've already injured
Overseer, another Big Pharma shill or another person who cannot think. He claims Dr Wakefield is not a hero. But fails to address any point or make any claim as to why he is not.
LMAO do you even know the definition of the word "shill"?
Somehow I doubt it.
I don't need to bring up anything that proves he is a scumbag. This video does a pretty good job of that for me; making fraudulent claims regarding his medical studies for instance. Studies done regarding a possible connection between autism and vaccination have found no link. Evidence matters.
I can see overseer is not interested in truth, I'll keep offering it to him
His refusal to produce any evidence he would stand behind is telling
His charges that Dr Wakefield committed fraud are not true
He makes the classic fraudulent shill argument - He states "Studies regarding a connection between autism and vaccination have found no link. Evidence matters"
What evidence? He said that no link was found in some studies. No link is no evidence. Where's the "evidence" that "matters"?
No link has been found in ANY studies, the claim that autism and vaccination is connected is an unsupported assertion. Evidence matters, and your position contains none.
You still do not appear to know what the word shill means, I suggest you look it up.
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Still presenting "no evidence". that's not a very scientific position over-weighted, over-blown, over-rated... However you want to look at it sweetie. You have "no evidence". That's what your whole position is based on....... oh wait, you have MOUNTAINS of "no evidence"... You shills are all alike. P.S. sweetie... if you are not a shill then you are a dupe... Take your pick or ask for some enlightenment
What would you like evidence of, exactly? That Wakefield is a scum bag? This video should suffice (did you actually watch it?), but if you want more, a simple google search would suffice.
You are one deluded human being. I'm sorry that you don't understand the science behind vaccines or even the way the scientific method actually works.
Do you have an autistic child? Are you autistic? If so, that is sad, but it has nothing to do with vaccines.
Hmmm... "scumbag"... is that a technical term with which you have some familiarity?
The video is fraught with lies and errors. From your attitude you are in no frame of mind to accept any criticism of Hall and her outlandish repetition of shill lies
Let me know if you want dialogue or you just want to hurl unsubstiated insults
In 2001 John O'Leary, Professor of Pathology at St James's Hospital and Trinity College, Dublin, replicated Dr Wakefield's findings
In 2006 Dr Walker of Wake University, in a study of 275 children with autism, identified more than 100 with measles virus in their gut. All virus were the same strain as the attenuated vaccine virus
In 2001 15 scientists at the IOM warned MMR could not be ruled out as the source of measles in the gut of autistic children
"could not be ruled out" is not positive evidence of correlation, you absolute buffoon. You are honestly not even worth arguing with, since you're so clearly biased.
You expect to lure me into a mudslinging/namecalling contest? I let you do the mudslinging. You distract by calling me an "absolute buffoon" instead of addressing any info I have posted. This makes it clear who has evidence
I'm sure you realize manipulated epidemiological studies are the only "evidence" you shills have. They are simply correlation, coincidence not proof. Re vaccines it is negative correlation, a much weaker argument
Fombonne & Madsen use such epidemiological smoke & mirrors
Ha, a quick review of your posts on this video will show that you need no "luring." Nice try. And I have addressed the info you've posted. Keep reading, champ.
"Measles found in the intestines of a cohort of autistic children with bowel disease should not be perceived as proof of an association between the measles vaccine and autism, STEPHEN J. WALKER, Ph.D., STRESSED at the 5th International Meeting for Autism Research.
Ah, now I see the problem, you don't get how science works. That is what your problem is. The fact that no link has been found means that there is no reason to think that there is a link to be found. These studies are not taken lightly.
Your argument is the equivalent of saying
"Studies done on blueberries have found no connection between blueberries and breast cancer. That means there MAY still be a connection. We better not eat blueberries."
I cited 3 studies or statements put out by reputable scientists sice 1998 supporting dr Wakefield's work... yet dpowens simply ignores the information, calling it weak, while offering no specific studies or evidence to back up his own position
Aside from epidemiological studies which are ROUTINELY manipulated by unscrupulous "scientists" like Fombonne, Bosch, Madsen et al, shills have NOTHING to back up their claims that vaccines are unrelated to autism or enterocolitus or autoimmunity
You didn't even cite three. You cited one that you claimed replicated the findings. Then you went off on a non-sequitur about < 50% of a small sample of autistic kids who had an incredibly common virus in their "gut." And then you said that a handful of scientists couldn't rule out MMR. I don't even know what kind of conclusion you could possibly draw from that. Were they able to successfully rule out fairies? If not, I guess fairies cause autism, by your reasoning.
dp calls irrelevant 15 scientists at the Institute of Medicine raising concerns MMR is the source of measles in the gut of autistic children
Irrelevant? He asked for any support for Dr Wakefield's findings, & claims it is as relevant as if they had said fairies have not been ruled out
I didn't know Dr Wakefield had claimed fairies caused enterocolitis Oh wait!! he didn't!!! Dr Wakefield claimed it COULD be MMR & 15 scientists at the IOM AGREED
No, and please try to follow more closely. You said that 15 scientists didn't rule out MMR. That's completely different than claiming positive correlation. You don't seem to grasp this basic concept, so I illustrated with fairies. Which you also didn't get, apparently.
"We haven't done anything to demonstrate that the measles virus is causing autism or even causing bowel disease. We have simply shown that there is measles virus in the guts of a large number of children who have regressive autism," said Dr. Walker of Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, N.C. "
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This info may be true for a few specific vaccines but i'll put my life on the line to say that if you take the swine flu vaccine you will develop guilliens bahr and various forms of cancer. If anyone feels like they want to disprove this statement rush and take the vaccine and just play the waiting game and within a few years i can promise on my life that you will regret it... Good luck and God bless to all.
I rushed out and took the vaccine. Thanks for the warning. Does anyone know any decent undertakers? My mother took it too and now I fear for her life. You said you'd put your life on the line, what kind of arangement are we talking about here?
If he could just sign an organ donor card, we could make it official. People need organs. I wouldn't really want to make any money out of it, apart from a modest 'finders fee,' perhaps.
this gentleman, Mr. Wakefield, is a good example of how even those with a reasonably high level of education and purported knowledge are just as easily corruptible and that they themselves can display extreme levels of deviance which do harm the general populace. Mr. Wakefield deserves to have his credentials removed and to place him under a fair amount of supervision in case of any latent desire to re-affect the vulnerable populace.
my local radio station was talking about how vaccines are bad and that pissed me off cause they dont know anything about science but their voice reaches hundreds of thousands everyday
we "pro-vaccine" people aren't enlightened though...we've never suffered from diseases that were drugged out of existence in the Dark Ages...the Bubonic Plague brought forth the Rennaisance after all, maybe they have a point? By all means, they can take the Plagues we've all been immune from, in that case...
Bubonic plague caused by Yersinia pestis is still alive and well even today. Outbreaks are usually small. In the US it is most common in prairie-like environments. Prairie dogs are a common carrier.
So you're saying in a few months, all the people who took the vaccine will be dead? Care to make it interesting? PM me your contact info and I will bet you $500 that your prediction is false.
Actually, us Pro-Vaccine people will take our health seriously, while you antivax nuts will be thrilled to catch diseases that the rest of the world is immune to. Also, the provax crowd will happily sue any parent whos child's diseased state caused their child to catch a disease that could have been easily prevented if you vax'd your kids.
Unless it's texas, at which point, we'll just shoot you.
Vaccines are only effective if most everyone takes them. Some people aren't able to for various reasons and they depend on everyone to do their part. You can be a self righteous asshat or you can inform yourself. But you don't care about what the reality is, you've already made up your mind. There is no danger in vaccines, you have no evidence, and you just don't care enough about anyone other than yourself to try and figure that out.
I do care, more than you. My reality and the reality of many doctors and health workers is that it is unsafe. I suppose they don;t care for people either, right?
You mean the few quacks who agree with you? Yes. You have nor they have a shred of evidence for your case and using an argument from authority isn't helping you. Please help us lowly people understand why you hold your position by offering evidence instead of fellating your own ego.
Maybe you're not reading properly? The doctors that say they're unsafe? They are QUACKS. And I will happily take every last doctor that makes that claim to court for malpractice and inciting panic in the face of a medically safe product.
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The only quacks I recognise is the Harriet loon here. Just keep defending it like some Government bitch. You can take my dose. Google Jane Burgermeister and stop listening to the TAM crew who constantly perpetuate Government myths. Good luck!
you're the people who insist on keeping the door open because it's too hot in the bunker and you want tome cool outside air while there's a nuclear war going on just outside the door.
[1] Researchers collected samples from 40 infants shortly after being immunized with thimerosal-containing vaccines. Twenty one infants immunized with thimerosal-free vaccines served as a control group. All children remained healthy throughout the study and during 24-36 months of follow-up, the researchers wrote. They found Mercury levels were low in blood, undetectable in most of the urine samples, and high in stool samples.
[2] Overall, the results of this study show that amounts of mercury in the blood of infants receiving vaccines formulated with [thimerosal] are well below concentrations potentially associated with toxic effects, the researchers concluded. The study also suggested that thimerosal amounts in these infants were eliminated through the stools within two weeks, the estimated blood half-life being only 7 days. [Pichichero ME, Cernichiari E, Lopreiato J, Treanor J. The Lancet 2002]
Published in the March 10 issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, the data show since mercury was removed from childhood vaccines, the reported rates of autism and other neurological disorders in children not only stopped increasing but actually dropped sharply by as much as 35 percent.
Nevertheless there is ZERO evidence, (outside of the JREFer's (whatever the hell that means) ) that the vaccines cause autism, or really do anything except prevent you from getting swine flu. Show me the peer reviewed scientific paper that shows tests presented that show a distinct link between H1N1 and autism (or other neurological disorders), and I'll be more inclined to believe you.
The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons is one of the least reliable journals out there. It is published by the AAPS, a right wing political advocacy group. It is basically more of a political publication than a medical journal.
Then by all means go get your vaccine and don't find out anything about who funds the speaker in this video and why that is a severe conflict of interest. Really I want JREFers one and all to line up for the jab. I have no interest whatsoever in talking you out of the vaccine. Take it please. Mercury is good, war is peace, resisting the vaccine is thought crime.
Fish go through your digestive system while vaccines are injected right into your blood stream bypassing all natural filters of your body. If you believe these government funded JREF shill Docs go ahead and get your vaccine pal. Just don't whine later if you have strange neurological problems ok? Take your untested H1N1 vaccine buddy I don't care but for the non JREFers who read this Thimerisol is only one of the dangers in the vaccines. Look up adjuvants like squaline.
You know how many died in the 1918/1919 flu epidemic? More than all the World War 1 casualties from all sides combined. And that started as a more mild version of the flu, then mutated into a far more deadly form, and this second wave in 1919 was the one that caused the vast majority of fatalities. And the ones that survived were susceptible to a kind of encephalitis known as sleeping sickness.
Even IF vaccination is (slightly) dangerous, catching a pandemic flu is far worse.
When you digest anything, it gets distributed into your blood stream. So when you eat fish containing mercury you also get that mercury into your blood stream. Simple to understand really. That's why most medicines are taken orally. When you breathe, you inhale trace amounts of arsenic which goes into your blood stream. When you drink water you intake trace amounts of mercury and arsenic into your blood stream. It's dumb to say that eating mercury and having a vacc. with mercury is so different.
It is true that things get into the blood. However, if you listen closely to the video, you'll note that they are talking about different formulations of mercury. When you take antibiotics, there can be better or worse rates of absorption, depending on the formulation. The amount used as a preservative combined with the formulation make the risk of absorption of mercury from a vaccine very low. What is even more important is the comparative risk to life and health by not getting the vaccine.
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um, is there any piece of evidence I could give you to persuade you NOT to take the H1N1 vaccine?
I took the regular flu vaccine last year and the year before that. And I'm still alive. But this H1N1 vaccine is different. Nevermind the long-term effects. This vaccine is meant to cull the population. That's why the World Health Organization wants mandatory vaccination for everybody. Combine that with the fema camps and the 400,000 UN troops... any red flags?
The H1N1 anti-flue vaccine will not even have mercury in it: Thiomersal is now baned in USA and EU for this kind of vaccine. Phenoxyethanol (C8H10O2) or Formaldehyde (CH2O) replace it.
So, yes mercury could be bad for you, but it's "mean nothing" if you do not take some of it... And it mean nothing if you take a really small dose because you already take some... Seem fishy? Well, there is some in fish and even in the air.
So, get the anti-virus if you need. There is no know danger.
Technically, they are banned in US and in EU ;) It is possible that they still use, with a government approval...
Anyway, there is also a question of dose. If you get 0.001% of mercury in a vaccine shot... You will not die, and in a month change are you will have nearly nothing let in the body.
Keep in mind that we are under a "Pandemic Leve 6" health emergency declared by the World Health Organization. This is the highest level of health alert. Bodies are falling from the sky, right?
Because of this, the pharmaceutical companies can by-pass safety provisions in making your vaccine.
So, your vaccine can include mercury and dangerous adjuvants such as squalene. The FDA does not approve squalene, but it's okay now. So are compulsory vaccinations under international law.
Yes it does have thimerosal in it. Where are your sources that it doesn't?
Why do you think the FDA and doctors recommend pregnant women lower their amount of fish or even stay away from canned tuna?
Mercury is more toxic than aluminum to neurons no matter what.
If you look on Wikipedia, thimerosal is extremely toxic.
Everyone who did that study in 1929 by Ely Lily on thimerosal were all terminal and died. There was no long term observational affect on these people!
Assumption based on the fact that thiomerosal is rare. It been ban in... California, Delaware, Illinois, Iowa, Missouri, New York and Washington. Also: Vermont, Rhode Island, Kentucky,Missouri, Nebraska and Florida are actually dealing with legislation that could ban this molecule from vaccine. It is nearly phased out of all vaccine, including all the childhood vaccines. In other word, if you have so much fear about that and want a vaccine, just wait for the second vague of vaccine.
This guy is a troll. He just goes on websites to give false information to people. I made a video aobut swine flu and he did the same thing. Please use common sense. The governent is not going to put you ina fema camp.
Re: Thimersol - not true, other vaccines use it, depending on the amount discussed. For example, large aliquots of flu vaccine contain small amounts, since they're made for mass use and/or to last longer, while single dose aliquots don't (check data sheets for recent flu vaccine, others).
(Note: I'm a biologist, and think the autism+vaccine people are crazy, so I'm just clarifying).
Experts, including Peter Palese of the Mount School of Medicine in Manhattan, remind us that even in 1992, millions in China already had antibodies to H5N1, meaning that they had contracted it and that their immune system had little trouble fending it off.
Of course, all of reality should reflect your personal experiences, right? Are you the standard of all things statistically accurate and true, or are you a single human being with experience of the world limited to what you can be expected to observe and remember?
You've got your units wrong (assuming the numbers are even right).
1970 -- 1/10,000 boys were _diagnosed_ autistic
2009 -- 1/150 _diagnosed_
All that shows is that the diagnosis of autism has increased, not the prevalence of the disorder. There are even concerns that it has become an over-diagnosed disorder, something that can happen with newly identified disorders. It is especially difficult to diagnose because diagnosis depends on behavioral abnormalities that vary from autist to autist.
First of all, these number are not truth because the increase is due to general awareness and better diagnosed first end...
But, for the seek of a second argument, let make a factual error and say they are truth... Then, is it wrong? People are less sick, and live longer... At what price? More people with impaired communication and with restricted behavior when compared to others. Where it is suppose to be wrong to be that different? It's harsh, maybe. Bad, no way.
I don't think anyone is scared by anything Wakefield or Halsey said. They are worried because they observed children who were normal and then weren't. Its sad that the scientific community is so dedicated to protecting the pharmiceutical industry which funds it from accountability and liability. Greed has taken the place of objective research.
TheCommonMan101 2 months ago
Thank you so much for sharing this vid. Our l'il city of Montréal will be hosting Harriet Hall, Dr. Paul Offit, Robert Park and Dr. Edzard Ernst on Nov. the 7th and 8th. If anyone is near or in Montréal on those dates, please do come. It is being sponsered by the Trottier Family and it is free. Google "The Lorne Trottier Public Science Symposium Series" for details. Thanks!
thedeeliciousplum 4 months ago
So every American student is required to have "x" number of vaccines before enrollment. This represents a lot of vaccines to be administered. The pharmaceutical corporations presumably are the same as all other corps-protecting their investments and profits morally or immorally. Also, the CDC was ordered by the FDA in 1982 to do tests confirming the questions aforementioned in this video.
rickwilli77 9 months ago
who gives a shit? i am not vaccinated and i am doing just fine.
riorio23 10 months ago
@riorio23 You probably wouldn't be alive today if it wasn't for vaccines...so I wouldnt fuck up the trend if I were you.
theUSER101 7 months ago
Perhaps medical science is in greater need for a reestablishment of trust and credibility with less time spent in their haughty discredidation of anyone daring to demonstrate opposition. Current medical pomposity suggests that only scientists need possess a critical mind, and only when they aren’t on the payroll of big pharma. Otherwise, I continue to proceed with caution.
philumber 1 year ago
@philumber
What about all those PHD's at universities that aren't on the payroll of Big Pharma?
hoppinglark 1 year ago
Are ALL vaccinations safe and necessary? Do individual patients possess different pharmacogenetics in their reaction to ethyl mercury and vaccines? Can we truly trust a broken big pharma model actively traded under a free market capitalistic system where whistle-blowers are often ostracized? Seem like valid questions to me. Strangely, the most advanced medical society and their over-medicated US populace only ranks 38th in world life expectancy.
philumber 1 year ago
@philumber
Life Expectancy is also effected by things like Motor Vehicles, dietary intake, firearms use, etc.
The US has some very unhealthy people by habits and environment.
hoppinglark 1 year ago
@philumber
What a load of crap. Whistle blowers are ostracized by the corporation upon whom the whistle was blown, and they are treated like heroes by everyone else. Unless their claim turns out to be complete bullshit.
dgdfhfghgfhgfgffjhj 1 year ago
"Current levels of thimerosal will not hurt children, but reducing those levels will make vaccines even safer." Reads like a contradiction to me.
philumber 1 year ago
Anyone have any theories as to why my son developed a headache & stomach ache immediately after the MMR shot and has had it constantly for 3 months since? He is a 4 year old who can tell me exactly what is bothering him. I don't think anyone can rule out the possibility of a link, especially those who have no experience with the shot. If you are not a scientist or a parent with experience please keep your ignorance to yourself.
gungabee 1 year ago
@gungabee Thought about, oh, I don't know, seeing a medical doctor?
xen0ninja 1 year ago
@xen0ninja Duh! We've seen our pediatrician at least 3 times about this. They don't know. Before you say to change pediatricians let me say we have had 3 so far and he is the best. Why do you think autoimmune conditions are at an all time high now. If you think there aren't toxins in our food, clothing, upholstery, water and vaccines then why are babies being born pre-polluted? Look it up. People do your research, read medical journals & talk to doctors before commenting.
gungabee 1 year ago
@gungabee
you should do the same then. there is no evidence to suggest that vaccinations make you sick. Maybe the sickness of your child just happen to come forth at the same time as the vaccine was administrated. you must not forget that correlation does not imply causation.
hobbitsarecool 1 year ago
Toxin free vaccine study is the way to PROVE/DISPROVE vaccine safety
Common toxins in "modern" vaccine -
1. Non-self endotoxin/DNA fragments & UNKNOWN toxins- Source, using gene-altered-bacteria to make cheaper antigen
2. Preservatives-For shipment of large containers of vaccine increasing per dose profit
3. Adjuvants-cheap chemicals to reduce needed antigen, increasing per dose profit. Adjuvants increase/prolong infant reaction to other toxins
4. Numerous other toxins from mfg processes
michael0156 2 years ago
Firstly, please define "toxin" in your own words.
MidgardEagle 1 year ago
Midgard says "Firstly please define 'toxin' in your own words"
Midgard reveals his agenda. Let's see if he'll admit it
Are you saying there are no toxins in vaccine?
Refer to the CDC website and find out about formaldehyde, formalin, endotoxins, dna fragments and many other substances
There are NO long term safety studies done by anyone. Big Pharma only does short term trials which will never show side effects like autism
I have put my cards on the table, what are YOU trying to say?
michael0156 1 year ago
Okay, fine, that's a nice collection of insults and red herrings.
Can you define toxins now?
Oh, and you realize there's cyanide in apple seeds, right? I suppose now you want to ban apples, too, since poisonous substances (I assume that's what you think a "toxin" is), no matter the quantity, means a product is dangerous.
MidgardEagle 1 year ago
No, I didn't say there were no toxins in vaccines.
Now define "toxin" in your own words.
MidgardEagle 1 year ago
DNA fragments?! Okay, now I get it, I'd rather take a gunshot than get DNA in my body...
...oh, wait, there's already DNA in my body, and in pretty much everything I eat. Whew, scared there for a moment.
MidgardEagle 1 year ago
midgard's shortcomings - "oh wait there's already DNA in my body"
There is a difference between human, bacterial & yeast DNA. The difference, simply put, is self and non-self. Look it up sweetheart. Stop wasting everyone's time. Stop continuing to hurt infants & kids with your rhetoric and illogical arguments
Scientists working at a pharmaceutical company claim vaccines & pharmaceuticals in general have excess toxins needing removal. Your ignorance injures & kills
michael0156 1 year ago
Toxin free vaccine study is the way to PROVE/DISPROVE vaccine safety
Common toxins in "modern" vaccine -
1. Non-self endotoxin/DNA fragments & UNKNOWN toxins- Source, using gene-altered-bacteria to make cheaper antigen
2. Preservatives-For shipment of large containers of vaccine increasing per dose profit
3. Adjuvants-cheap chemicals to reduce needed antigen, increasing per dose profit. Adjuvants increase/prolong infant reaction to other toxins
4. Numerous other toxins from mfg processes
michael0156 2 years ago
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michael0156 2 years ago
Not only did Dr Walker find MMR measles virus in the gut of a high % of autistic children, he states this did not prove causation
Over-shill omits that Dr Walker also said "we must determine what is causing the bowel condition which has a direct influence on cognitive and behavioral issues associated with autism"
From Dr Wakefield's study - "We did not prove an association between [MMR] & the syndrome described"
Both doctors call for rigorous independent study. Shills fight that idea
michael0156 2 years ago
""we must determine what is causing the bowel condition which has a direct influence on cognitive and behavioral issues associated with autism"
Omitting a quote that does not support your argument is wrong why? He's saying they DIDN'T find a connection. I think you need to work on reading comprehension.
So do you have any evidence that actually supports the vaccine/autism connection, or just more people who say they haven't found a connection?
Overseer82 2 years ago
By the way, I'd be all for a rigorous independent study, if only to shut you morons up (of course the magic think crowd isnt beyond moving goal posts..). I'd be more supportive of it, if there was - you know - a compelling reason to believe that there actually was a connection between autism and vaccines. Plausibility would be a nice start.
Overseer82 2 years ago
Here Overseer earns the moniker Over-shill. Before any study is done he denies there is a need for any study
Vaccines are the only known correlation with autism, yet the shills (including scientists) claim that anything else is more plausable than vaccines although nothing else correlates. The best genetic studies to date only correlate 15% of autism to genes and ALWAYS call for environmental triggers
And he refers to people calling for detoxifying and studying vaccines morons... lolol
michael0156 2 years ago
Environmental triggers are not just pollution. Those environmental triggers scientists are looking for? Vaccines are environmental triggers also... anything that is not genetic is environmental... nature vs nurture
michael0156 2 years ago
""Vaccines are the only known correlation with autism""
That's like saying smoking is correlated with puberty, because lots of kids hit puberty when they start smoking. Autism is genetical. We've known this for decades.
MidgardEagle 1 year ago
Autism is not genetic in origin. The best genetic studies to date tie less than 15% of autism to genes. In ALL the ties to genes geneticists admit environmental triggers, like vaccines, have to be involved
A genetic cause of autism CANNOT explain the rise in cases during the 90's. The vaccine schedule was greatly increased & the use of gene-altered bacteria to create antigen introduced many more toxins we then injected into infants & kids
Midgard read a bit before you try to enter this debate
michael0156 1 year ago
""A genetic cause of autism CANNOT explain the rise in cases during the 90's.""
More conditions have been added to the autism spectrum. Now you know:).
""Midgard read a bit before you try to enter this debate ""
Sadly your knowledge of the subject doesn't nearly match your high-horse attitude.
MidgardEagle 1 year ago
dpowens , another shill quick to lie, short on evidence
Baselessly dismissing the info I post isn't addressing it, but that's one of the thing shills do when confronted with truth
Their mantra - Lie Inflame Distract Deceive Spam. If exposed, repeat
I challenge dp or any shill to produce evidence (not correlation) showing vaccines are safe & not involved in the current autistic numbers of 1 in 100. This excludes other type of vaccine injuries giving you a little help
Stop Hurting kids
michael0156 2 years ago
"Stop Hurting kids" The irony.
Overseer82 2 years ago
So you want me to provide negative evidence. I'm honestly beginning to think you don't know the first thing about science/skepticism. And therefore are not really worth bothering with. The infantile namecalling in every one of your posts is just the icing on the cake.
dpowens 2 years ago 6
Harriet is careful about what she says, but she is still a lying shill. That's all shills can do regarding Dr Wakefield's study, vaccines and autism
She says the parents of 8 autistics thought the autism occurred after the MMR. She says this turned out not to be true, but she doesn't clarify. 1 parent was mistaken or all 8? (It is actually ZERO.)
Some of the children's onset of symptoms was verified by family physicians. 3 of the children's reaction to the MMR jab were convulsions.
michael0156 2 years ago
@michael0156 Hahaha, how do you explain the firestorm presently surrounding Mr. Wakefield, then? Conspiracy? How do you explain his results not being reproducable by anyone else, which is a basic requirement of all science? Get your head out of the sand. This guy is an exposed fraud, and you make yourself look like a fool (which is, perhaps, an accurate portrayal) by defending him.
dpowens 2 years ago
In 2001 John O'Leary, Professor of Pathology at St James's Hospital and Trinity College, Dublin, replicated Dr Wakefield's findings
In 2006 Dr Walker of Wake University, in a study of 275 children with autism, identified more than 100 with measles virus in their gut. All virus were the same strain as the attenuated vaccine virus
In 2001 15 scientists at the IOM warned MMR could not be ruled out as the source of measles in the gut of autistic children
More will follow
michael0156 2 years ago
More never followed. I'm sorry, but what you DID supply is just plain weak.
dpowens 2 years ago
More from the shill who offers nothing in the way of evidence or research.
Are you saying that my three references are wrong? or just "weak"... whatever that means''' Weak truth? lol... I love to see shills lie and squirm
michael0156 2 years ago
Hey Mr. Mature Namecalling Guy, Wakefield's work has been rebuked by the journal who published and then rescinded it. Citing three experiments out of thousands attempting to replicate results IS very weak. They're called outliers. Saying "more will follow" and then resorting to namecalling instead says it all, I think.
dpowens 2 years ago
to dp. Calling you a shill or dupe is truth, not baseless name-calling. However I no longer think you're a dupe & now refer to you as a shill
shill - a person who praises something for reasons of self-interest or personal profit
Carl Sagan 1996 - Today there are commercials in which scientists, some of considerable distinction, shill for corporations. They teach that scientists too will lie for money. As Tom Paine warned, inuring us to lies lays the groundwork for many other evils
michael0156 2 years ago
I don't even think you ever said "dupe." You can't keep track of your own bleating.
dpowens 2 years ago
dpowens says "I don't even think you ever said "dupe" You can't keep track of your own bleating"
Yet dp isn't sure if I said dupe.... hmmm I think he is right when he said he don't think... lol
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michael0156 2 years ago
Even if we know,for a fact,beyond a shadow of doubt (which is FAR from true btw) that vaccines cause EVERY case of autism,the number of people who don't die because of vaccines still VASTLY outnumbers the number of people who would have been autistic. so even if Wakefields "research" was true,and it's not,by a long shot,the choice at that point would be whether you want an autistic kid,or a dead kid. ZERO connection people,jesus
ViralMessiah 2 years ago
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Dr Andrew Wakefield is a hero of modern medicine, maligned & persecuted for speaking the truth. Part of his story is here-
h t t p : / / w w w . melaniephillips . c o m / articles / archives / 001468 . h t m l
Even after reading about autism/vaccines for over a year I was shocked to see the heinous acts to deny identifying the problems that may cause autism. This delays true efforts to stop the damage from occurring & getting the best help & research for the children we've already injured
michael0156 2 years ago
"Dr Andrew Wakefield is a hero of modern medicine, maligned & persecuted for speaking the truth."
In opposite land, yes that would be true. Have I stepped into bizzaro world perhaps?
Overseer82 2 years ago 2
Overseer, another Big Pharma shill or another person who cannot think. He claims Dr Wakefield is not a hero. But fails to address any point or make any claim as to why he is not.
Care to bring anything up "overseer"
michael0156 2 years ago
LMAO do you even know the definition of the word "shill"?
Somehow I doubt it.
I don't need to bring up anything that proves he is a scumbag. This video does a pretty good job of that for me; making fraudulent claims regarding his medical studies for instance. Studies done regarding a possible connection between autism and vaccination have found no link. Evidence matters.
Is ignorance really bliss?
Overseer82 2 years ago 5
I can see overseer is not interested in truth, I'll keep offering it to him
His refusal to produce any evidence he would stand behind is telling
His charges that Dr Wakefield committed fraud are not true
He makes the classic fraudulent shill argument - He states "Studies regarding a connection between autism and vaccination have found no link. Evidence matters"
What evidence? He said that no link was found in some studies. No link is no evidence. Where's the "evidence" that "matters"?
michael0156 2 years ago
No link has been found in ANY studies, the claim that autism and vaccination is connected is an unsupported assertion. Evidence matters, and your position contains none.
You still do not appear to know what the word shill means, I suggest you look it up.
Overseer82 2 years ago
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Still presenting "no evidence". that's not a very scientific position over-weighted, over-blown, over-rated... However you want to look at it sweetie. You have "no evidence". That's what your whole position is based on....... oh wait, you have MOUNTAINS of "no evidence"... You shills are all alike. P.S. sweetie... if you are not a shill then you are a dupe... Take your pick or ask for some enlightenment
michael0156 2 years ago
What would you like evidence of, exactly? That Wakefield is a scum bag? This video should suffice (did you actually watch it?), but if you want more, a simple google search would suffice.
You are one deluded human being. I'm sorry that you don't understand the science behind vaccines or even the way the scientific method actually works.
Do you have an autistic child? Are you autistic? If so, that is sad, but it has nothing to do with vaccines.
Overseer82 2 years ago
Hmmm... "scumbag"... is that a technical term with which you have some familiarity?
The video is fraught with lies and errors. From your attitude you are in no frame of mind to accept any criticism of Hall and her outlandish repetition of shill lies
Let me know if you want dialogue or you just want to hurl unsubstiated insults
michael0156 2 years ago
In 2001 John O'Leary, Professor of Pathology at St James's Hospital and Trinity College, Dublin, replicated Dr Wakefield's findings
In 2006 Dr Walker of Wake University, in a study of 275 children with autism, identified more than 100 with measles virus in their gut. All virus were the same strain as the attenuated vaccine virus
In 2001 15 scientists at the IOM warned MMR could not be ruled out as the source of measles in the gut of autistic children
Evidence, not "no evidence", over-shill
michael0156 2 years ago
"could not be ruled out" is not positive evidence of correlation, you absolute buffoon. You are honestly not even worth arguing with, since you're so clearly biased.
dpowens 2 years ago
You expect to lure me into a mudslinging/namecalling contest? I let you do the mudslinging. You distract by calling me an "absolute buffoon" instead of addressing any info I have posted. This makes it clear who has evidence
I'm sure you realize manipulated epidemiological studies are the only "evidence" you shills have. They are simply correlation, coincidence not proof. Re vaccines it is negative correlation, a much weaker argument
Fombonne & Madsen use such epidemiological smoke & mirrors
michael0156 2 years ago
Ha, a quick review of your posts on this video will show that you need no "luring." Nice try. And I have addressed the info you've posted. Keep reading, champ.
dpowens 2 years ago
"Measles found in the intestines of a cohort of autistic children with bowel disease should not be perceived as proof of an association between the measles vaccine and autism, STEPHEN J. WALKER, Ph.D., STRESSED at the 5th International Meeting for Autism Research.
Overseer82 2 years ago
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"No link is no evidence."
Ah, now I see the problem, you don't get how science works. That is what your problem is. The fact that no link has been found means that there is no reason to think that there is a link to be found. These studies are not taken lightly.
Your argument is the equivalent of saying
"Studies done on blueberries have found no connection between blueberries and breast cancer. That means there MAY still be a connection. We better not eat blueberries."
Overseer82 2 years ago
@michael0156 Do you ever plan on supplying any backup, or just calling everyone who disagrees with you a "shill"?
dpowens 2 years ago
I cited 3 studies or statements put out by reputable scientists sice 1998 supporting dr Wakefield's work... yet dpowens simply ignores the information, calling it weak, while offering no specific studies or evidence to back up his own position
Aside from epidemiological studies which are ROUTINELY manipulated by unscrupulous "scientists" like Fombonne, Bosch, Madsen et al, shills have NOTHING to back up their claims that vaccines are unrelated to autism or enterocolitus or autoimmunity
michael0156 2 years ago
You didn't even cite three. You cited one that you claimed replicated the findings. Then you went off on a non-sequitur about < 50% of a small sample of autistic kids who had an incredibly common virus in their "gut." And then you said that a handful of scientists couldn't rule out MMR. I don't even know what kind of conclusion you could possibly draw from that. Were they able to successfully rule out fairies? If not, I guess fairies cause autism, by your reasoning.
dpowens 2 years ago
dp calls irrelevant 15 scientists at the Institute of Medicine raising concerns MMR is the source of measles in the gut of autistic children
Irrelevant? He asked for any support for Dr Wakefield's findings, & claims it is as relevant as if they had said fairies have not been ruled out
I didn't know Dr Wakefield had claimed fairies caused enterocolitis Oh wait!! he didn't!!! Dr Wakefield claimed it COULD be MMR & 15 scientists at the IOM AGREED
Sounds like independent study is needed
michael0156 2 years ago
No, and please try to follow more closely. You said that 15 scientists didn't rule out MMR. That's completely different than claiming positive correlation. You don't seem to grasp this basic concept, so I illustrated with fairies. Which you also didn't get, apparently.
dpowens 2 years ago
"We haven't done anything to demonstrate that the measles virus is causing autism or even causing bowel disease. We have simply shown that there is measles virus in the guts of a large number of children who have regressive autism," said Dr. Walker of Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, N.C. "
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michael0156 2 years ago
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This info may be true for a few specific vaccines but i'll put my life on the line to say that if you take the swine flu vaccine you will develop guilliens bahr and various forms of cancer. If anyone feels like they want to disprove this statement rush and take the vaccine and just play the waiting game and within a few years i can promise on my life that you will regret it... Good luck and God bless to all.
MrDaisOne 2 years ago
I rushed out and took the vaccine. Thanks for the warning. Does anyone know any decent undertakers? My mother took it too and now I fear for her life. You said you'd put your life on the line, what kind of arangement are we talking about here?
dafyddoe 2 years ago 2
You think he'll let you keep his organs to sell on the black market?
Overseer82 2 years ago
If he could just sign an organ donor card, we could make it official. People need organs. I wouldn't really want to make any money out of it, apart from a modest 'finders fee,' perhaps.
dafyddoe 2 years ago
this gentleman, Mr. Wakefield, is a good example of how even those with a reasonably high level of education and purported knowledge are just as easily corruptible and that they themselves can display extreme levels of deviance which do harm the general populace. Mr. Wakefield deserves to have his credentials removed and to place him under a fair amount of supervision in case of any latent desire to re-affect the vulnerable populace.
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NatalieAnnHandy 2 years ago
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I am hopng all you sheep defending vaccines just keep taking them. Leave the rest of us more enlightened people well alone.
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
my local radio station was talking about how vaccines are bad and that pissed me off cause they dont know anything about science but their voice reaches hundreds of thousands everyday
fjackson90 2 years ago 10
ETHYLmercury!
Stromatolite577 2 years ago
the end is coming! swine are using mercury-laden vaccines to give us immunity to their flu so we'll all be alive for the end of the world in 2012!!!!
wake up people!!!
what a bunch o' nuts.
325982668 2 years ago 4
we "pro-vaccine" people aren't enlightened though...we've never suffered from diseases that were drugged out of existence in the Dark Ages...the Bubonic Plague brought forth the Rennaisance after all, maybe they have a point? By all means, they can take the Plagues we've all been immune from, in that case...
aesthector 2 years ago
Bubonic plague caused by Yersinia pestis is still alive and well even today. Outbreaks are usually small. In the US it is most common in prairie-like environments. Prairie dogs are a common carrier.
Gerafix 2 years ago
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This Harriet hag is like a human drone. A dead hedgehog has more charm.
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
if you can't dispute the FACTS, disparage the messenger.
feh.
kabloozie 2 years ago
Well kabloozie, it appears to me that she disputed the facts as well as disparaged the messenger. Did we watch the video?
JBRHC78 2 years ago
I was replying to a comment, not the speaker in the video
kabloozie 2 years ago
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JBRHC78 2 years ago
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Gotcha. Sorry about that. I hate how Youtube organizes comments.
JBRHC78 2 years ago
i got the h1n1 vaccine 2 days ago
so far no chemical brain cell death
no lost in motor function
no autism
not sick what so ever
...i guess its working
noliesundead 2 years ago
Give it a few months, it would be tooobvious if people started dropping dead immediately. Good luck.
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
So you're saying in a few months, all the people who took the vaccine will be dead? Care to make it interesting? PM me your contact info and I will bet you $500 that your prediction is false.
Jaikith 2 years ago
There are chips in the swine flu vaccine. You belong to the elite 100% now.
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
Provide evidence for that. Oh wait, you can't.
Jaikith 2 years ago
It speaks for itself. Why are health workers, GP's, nurses refusing it. I want you to take it tho. I also told you to google Jane Burgermeister.
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
you can be really well educated and superstitious or an idiot, or both. intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against being wrong.
325982668 2 years ago
All you pro-vacciners can take the vaccine and leave the more enlightened people alone. Thanks.
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
more enlightened people...lol thats why those people kids are catching measles at a increasing rate and dying.
noliesundead 2 years ago
@noliesundead,
This is a personal decision, you do what you want. I don't trust JREF or these creepy TAM events.
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
Actually, us Pro-Vaccine people will take our health seriously, while you antivax nuts will be thrilled to catch diseases that the rest of the world is immune to. Also, the provax crowd will happily sue any parent whos child's diseased state caused their child to catch a disease that could have been easily prevented if you vax'd your kids.
Unless it's texas, at which point, we'll just shoot you.
vharshyde 2 years ago 2
Let the Harriets of this world and her supporters take this shit filled vaccine. I, like millions of others, will not be.
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
Vaccines are only effective if most everyone takes them. Some people aren't able to for various reasons and they depend on everyone to do their part. You can be a self righteous asshat or you can inform yourself. But you don't care about what the reality is, you've already made up your mind. There is no danger in vaccines, you have no evidence, and you just don't care enough about anyone other than yourself to try and figure that out.
CriticalAtheist 2 years ago 2
I do care, more than you. My reality and the reality of many doctors and health workers is that it is unsafe. I suppose they don;t care for people either, right?
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
You mean the few quacks who agree with you? Yes. You have nor they have a shred of evidence for your case and using an argument from authority isn't helping you. Please help us lowly people understand why you hold your position by offering evidence instead of fellating your own ego.
CriticalAtheist 2 years ago
Maybe you're not reading properly? The doctors that say they're unsafe? They are QUACKS. And I will happily take every last doctor that makes that claim to court for malpractice and inciting panic in the face of a medically safe product.
vharshyde 2 years ago 7
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The only quacks I recognise is the Harriet loon here. Just keep defending it like some Government bitch. You can take my dose. Google Jane Burgermeister and stop listening to the TAM crew who constantly perpetuate Government myths. Good luck!
accidentsinspace 2 years ago
you're the people who insist on keeping the door open because it's too hot in the bunker and you want tome cool outside air while there's a nuclear war going on just outside the door.
325982668 2 years ago
In Sweden swineflu spreading seems to be stopping at moment. Doctors think it's because normal flu is "blocking" it.
MokomaSusi 2 years ago
[1] Researchers collected samples from 40 infants shortly after being immunized with thimerosal-containing vaccines. Twenty one infants immunized with thimerosal-free vaccines served as a control group. All children remained healthy throughout the study and during 24-36 months of follow-up, the researchers wrote. They found Mercury levels were low in blood, undetectable in most of the urine samples, and high in stool samples.
SillyCyban 2 years ago
[2] Overall, the results of this study show that amounts of mercury in the blood of infants receiving vaccines formulated with [thimerosal] are well below concentrations potentially associated with toxic effects, the researchers concluded. The study also suggested that thimerosal amounts in these infants were eliminated through the stools within two weeks, the estimated blood half-life being only 7 days. [Pichichero ME, Cernichiari E, Lopreiato J, Treanor J. The Lancet 2002]
SillyCyban 2 years ago
watch?v=2_ot8F6m7qw
sikovit 2 years ago
A) they HAVE come up with alternative preservatives. They have been using these for quite some time.
B) you get more mercury from regularly eating seafood.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago 2
Published in the March 10 issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, the data show since mercury was removed from childhood vaccines, the reported rates of autism and other neurological disorders in children not only stopped increasing but actually dropped sharply by as much as 35 percent.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
Nevertheless there is ZERO evidence, (outside of the JREFer's (whatever the hell that means) ) that the vaccines cause autism, or really do anything except prevent you from getting swine flu. Show me the peer reviewed scientific paper that shows tests presented that show a distinct link between H1N1 and autism (or other neurological disorders), and I'll be more inclined to believe you.
riseofatheism 2 years ago 2
The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons is one of the least reliable journals out there. It is published by the AAPS, a right wing political advocacy group. It is basically more of a political publication than a medical journal.
shannow77 2 years ago
shannow77,
Then by all means go get your vaccine and don't find out anything about who funds the speaker in this video and why that is a severe conflict of interest. Really I want JREFers one and all to line up for the jab. I have no interest whatsoever in talking you out of the vaccine. Take it please. Mercury is good, war is peace, resisting the vaccine is thought crime.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
You are an idiot...
goobergel 2 years ago
You get more mercury in a good healthy regular diet of fish.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
dangerouslytalented,
Fish go through your digestive system while vaccines are injected right into your blood stream bypassing all natural filters of your body. If you believe these government funded JREF shill Docs go ahead and get your vaccine pal. Just don't whine later if you have strange neurological problems ok? Take your untested H1N1 vaccine buddy I don't care but for the non JREFers who read this Thimerisol is only one of the dangers in the vaccines. Look up adjuvants like squaline.
Truthstorm911 2 years ago
You know how many died in the 1918/1919 flu epidemic? More than all the World War 1 casualties from all sides combined. And that started as a more mild version of the flu, then mutated into a far more deadly form, and this second wave in 1919 was the one that caused the vast majority of fatalities. And the ones that survived were susceptible to a kind of encephalitis known as sleeping sickness.
Even IF vaccination is (slightly) dangerous, catching a pandemic flu is far worse.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago 2
When you digest anything, it gets distributed into your blood stream. So when you eat fish containing mercury you also get that mercury into your blood stream. Simple to understand really. That's why most medicines are taken orally. When you breathe, you inhale trace amounts of arsenic which goes into your blood stream. When you drink water you intake trace amounts of mercury and arsenic into your blood stream. It's dumb to say that eating mercury and having a vacc. with mercury is so different.
riseofatheism 2 years ago 2
It is true that things get into the blood. However, if you listen closely to the video, you'll note that they are talking about different formulations of mercury. When you take antibiotics, there can be better or worse rates of absorption, depending on the formulation. The amount used as a preservative combined with the formulation make the risk of absorption of mercury from a vaccine very low. What is even more important is the comparative risk to life and health by not getting the vaccine.
laraesque 2 years ago
isn't paranoia considered a strange neurological problem?
325982668 2 years ago
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She really needs to move away from the mic to breathe in.
sentientmachine11 2 years ago
Conspiracy theorists are funny.
MercuryShad0w 2 years ago
vaccines have done so much for public health
Frances3654 2 years ago
There are current studies under peer review right now that are revealing that vaccines are causing people to get the flu.
truvelocity 2 years ago
sure buddy
Frances3654 2 years ago
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Anybody who believes these LIES deserves to die a slow death from all the squalene in their H1N1 flu shot.
FUCKING WAKE UP SHEEP.
Hey everybody, Hardin Montana was just taken over by russian mercs. That is your FEMA CAMP. Do you NOT GET IT!!
You don't take the poison H1N1 vaccine, then you go to the FEMA CAMP.
MERCURY IS BAD FOR YOU!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gomogi1 2 years ago
the human body has no problem breaking down ethly merucry...ie the only kind of merucy ever used in vaccines you ninny
i suppose your going say dont eat salt next cuz it has ta-da chlorine in it
and if you know why that would be a stupid stance then you used know why your statement is retarded
noliesundead 2 years ago
Will you take the H1N1 vaccine?
gomogi1 2 years ago
yes i will
noliesundead 2 years ago
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um, is there any piece of evidence I could give you to persuade you NOT to take the H1N1 vaccine?
I took the regular flu vaccine last year and the year before that. And I'm still alive. But this H1N1 vaccine is different. Nevermind the long-term effects. This vaccine is meant to cull the population. That's why the World Health Organization wants mandatory vaccination for everybody. Combine that with the fema camps and the 400,000 UN troops... any red flags?
gomogi1 2 years ago
yes if you could site your source for your claims that helps
like how is it meant to cull the pop
the who always wants people to get vaccinations so nothing weird there
and how are the fema camps and the un involve exactly
noliesundead 2 years ago
The H1N1 anti-flue vaccine will not even have mercury in it: Thiomersal is now baned in USA and EU for this kind of vaccine. Phenoxyethanol (C8H10O2) or Formaldehyde (CH2O) replace it.
So, yes mercury could be bad for you, but it's "mean nothing" if you do not take some of it... And it mean nothing if you take a really small dose because you already take some... Seem fishy? Well, there is some in fish and even in the air.
So, get the anti-virus if you need. There is no know danger.
therrydicule 2 years ago
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From an article in "The Mornign Call" dated today, October 4.
"Even so, some flu vaccine -- that shipped in multi-dose vials -- contains thimerosal, a mercury preservative."
So some of the swine flu vaccine will contain mercury. That is a fact in the mainstream media.
Some fish may contain trace amounts of mercury, sad to say. But nothing compared to when it is injected into you.
Far worse than mercury is the squalene. When injected, it causes auto immune disorders. Peace.
gomogi1 2 years ago
Technically, they are banned in US and in EU ;) It is possible that they still use, with a government approval...
Anyway, there is also a question of dose. If you get 0.001% of mercury in a vaccine shot... You will not die, and in a month change are you will have nearly nothing let in the body.
therrydicule 2 years ago
Keep in mind that we are under a "Pandemic Leve 6" health emergency declared by the World Health Organization. This is the highest level of health alert. Bodies are falling from the sky, right?
Because of this, the pharmaceutical companies can by-pass safety provisions in making your vaccine.
So, your vaccine can include mercury and dangerous adjuvants such as squalene. The FDA does not approve squalene, but it's okay now. So are compulsory vaccinations under international law.
gomogi1 2 years ago
Besides that, thimerosal has been used in vaccines for over 60 years without being linked to any type of health issues at all.
Macrochenia 2 years ago
Yes it does have thimerosal in it. Where are your sources that it doesn't?
Why do you think the FDA and doctors recommend pregnant women lower their amount of fish or even stay away from canned tuna?
Mercury is more toxic than aluminum to neurons no matter what.
If you look on Wikipedia, thimerosal is extremely toxic.
Everyone who did that study in 1929 by Ely Lily on thimerosal were all terminal and died. There was no long term observational affect on these people!
truvelocity 2 years ago
Assumption based on the fact that thiomerosal is rare. It been ban in... California, Delaware, Illinois, Iowa, Missouri, New York and Washington. Also: Vermont, Rhode Island, Kentucky,Missouri, Nebraska and Florida are actually dealing with legislation that could ban this molecule from vaccine. It is nearly phased out of all vaccine, including all the childhood vaccines. In other word, if you have so much fear about that and want a vaccine, just wait for the second vague of vaccine.
therrydicule 2 years ago
This guy is a troll. He just goes on websites to give false information to people. I made a video aobut swine flu and he did the same thing. Please use common sense. The governent is not going to put you ina fema camp.
Nanee715 2 years ago
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sikovit 2 years ago
Information was great, presentation was boring.
cjdaweasel 2 years ago
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shame on this Dr
bcosteo 2 years ago
This was a really wonderful, rational explanation of the origins of the anti-immunization movement...
...So, why do I still have a powerful distrust of pharmaceutical companies deep inside of me?
*Wanders away to quietly ponder*
CleoTheSim 2 years ago 2
Because they took the 2 most vulnerable studies to try to disprove them...Look up the studies that PROVE the link between Themerisol and Autism!
These people are obviously being paid by someone to make us feel all warm and fuzzy inside about taking their Shots!
I smell a RAT!
sikovit 2 years ago
what a sad story
bajorjor1 2 years ago
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I won't be the dumbass standing in line, waiting for a shot.
BTek4 2 years ago
This anti-immunization nonsense is downright criminal. The families of the victims should sue the quacks for wrongful death.
papafox 2 years ago 7
What a waste of time...
do0me0nice 2 years ago
:( This is the most annoying, upsetting thing ever. Stupidity, greed, and ungrounded fear conspiring to get people killed.
paulbottomley42 2 years ago 4
Re: Thimersol - not true, other vaccines use it, depending on the amount discussed. For example, large aliquots of flu vaccine contain small amounts, since they're made for mass use and/or to last longer, while single dose aliquots don't (check data sheets for recent flu vaccine, others).
(Note: I'm a biologist, and think the autism+vaccine people are crazy, so I'm just clarifying).
pantelopes 2 years ago
This lady isn't a very good speaker
xxxFaustusxxx 2 years ago
Experts, including Peter Palese of the Mount School of Medicine in Manhattan, remind us that even in 1992, millions in China already had antibodies to H5N1, meaning that they had contracted it and that their immune system had little trouble fending it off.
PTTurboe 2 years ago
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1970 - 1/10,000 boys were autistic.
2009 - 1/150 are.
Naw, no link at all...
PTTurboe 2 years ago
Totally not possible that's a result of advances in the gathering of statistics
Lijacote 2 years ago
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I did not know one autistic person growing up.
Do you realize you will have to pay a price for hurting people....
PTTurboe 2 years ago
How many autists do you know now then? You sound like you're a hysteric. Calm down, the world isn't coming to an end.
Even if autism was on the rise, how on earth have you found out vaccination causes autism?
Lijacote 2 years ago 4
Of course, all of reality should reflect your personal experiences, right? Are you the standard of all things statistically accurate and true, or are you a single human being with experience of the world limited to what you can be expected to observe and remember?
RexMundi71 2 years ago
You've got your units wrong (assuming the numbers are even right).
1970 -- 1/10,000 boys were _diagnosed_ autistic
2009 -- 1/150 _diagnosed_
All that shows is that the diagnosis of autism has increased, not the prevalence of the disorder. There are even concerns that it has become an over-diagnosed disorder, something that can happen with newly identified disorders. It is especially difficult to diagnose because diagnosis depends on behavioral abnormalities that vary from autist to autist.
qhudspeth 2 years ago 3
PTTurboe, you might wanna think about not adding to the conversation anymore...
amsterstorm 2 years ago
First of all, these number are not truth because the increase is due to general awareness and better diagnosed first end...
But, for the seek of a second argument, let make a factual error and say they are truth... Then, is it wrong? People are less sick, and live longer... At what price? More people with impaired communication and with restricted behavior when compared to others. Where it is suppose to be wrong to be that different? It's harsh, maybe. Bad, no way.
therrydicule 2 years ago
1990 - No one knew where the missing neutrinos that were predicted could be.
2003 - The problem is solved.
So were the neutrinos actually missing until 2003? or were they simply "not found"?
Likewise--were the autistic children in 1970 not there, or were they simply not diagnosed?
RexMundi71 2 years ago 4
Vaccination rates were not on the rise in that time.
Actually, since this antiimmunisation mania, they have been falling.
Yet autism diagnosis rates have been rising...
It could be something else you know...
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago 2
1/3 of the populaton, shit.
celestialsalamander 2 years ago 2
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Vaccinations: Deadly Immunity "Government health agencies colluded with Big Pharma to hide the risks"
by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
MyJaffaIsBeautiful 2 years ago