VFR Communications from Sporty's

[TheDrfeelgood01]

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[Rohde64]

Why does every video on YouTube turn into a pissing match to see who's smarter?

If you're all experts why are you watching instructional videos?

[r1oot]

progressive taxi wtf? why not have the airport digram charts with you :|

[1lworld1chance]

N is for america and G is for UK

[dave4shmups]

Via cell phone, huh? So, you'd have to have the Control Tower's phone #, right??

[drummerdude6485]

No, he was calling Flight Service, you can do it both ways.

[paintballdude518]

he wasnt contacting the tower he was contacting FSS(flight service)

[ritualghost]

nope, your an idiot thats flight service, its a 1-800 number to file your flight plan and is not particular to the airport you are at.

[arashomon]

The Cessna 210 is called the Centurion, silly.

[duncansas]

"The N is the first letter of a North American REGISTERED plane."

N is the first letter of american registered planes. canadian planes begin with C. the second letter can either be F, or G. ( C-FXXX or C-GXXX )similar to U.S , the fist letter ( C) is not used in ATC

[gescoboza]

seriously i dont know what u guys are talking about, everything was correctly done, or at least its better than how pilots talk now in days, if u dont belive get a VHF radio n start listening and compare transmissions with this video.

[pegassusark]

The N is the first letter of a North American REGISTERED plane.

The N is NOT used in the call sighn.

Cessna Centurion is the type or make of the plane being flown, ATC needs this for noting flying characteristics.

FAR/AIM say to read back the call sighn first, BUT, the accepted way is to read back the clearance at the end of the readback.

You must repeat your instructions, to hold short. You cannot reply, affirmative, or wilco, roger, etc. IT MUST BE REPEATED.

REPEAT your HOLD SHORT to ATC

[thebloody1]

ATC is suppose use the N in the call sign. Unless they call themselves by the make of the a/c

[pianoman3635]

Well, it's definitely a registered aircraft, otherwise it would be illegal to fly according to the FAR. AROW (proof of Airworthiness, Registration, Operating limitations, and Weight and balance are required by the FAA before aircraft in the US can take off.)

[pianoman3635]

A proper callsign has a prefix, such as November in the US, or Centurion in this case. 201 Juliet Zulu is technically incorrect.

[sk8rguy178]

how come that's incorrect, that is his call-sign

[pianoman3635]

It's incorrect in that he didn't prefix the callsign. You prefix callsigns with "November" in the US or the aircraft make or model. "Centurion Two Zero One Juliet Zulu" or "November Two Zero One Juliet Zulu" is correct, whereas "Two Zero One Juliet Zulu" is not. These are errors definitely heard everyday on the ATC frequencies (I would know because I'm a pilot myself), however, seeing that this is a radio phraseology training video, this should have been fixed prior to release.

[ritualghost]

Well theres where you are wrong. It is commonplace to drop the November from the callsign when talking to ATC because every US tail number starts with it. Obviously you have never read a radio communications book, the book "Say Again, Please" says to drop the November, so does every CFI i know. I think you are the one thats wrong...

[pianoman3635]

"Say Again, Please" is not an official resource. I've read the FAR/AIM.

4-2-4

2. ATC specialists may initiate abbreviated call signs of other aircraft by using the prefix and the last three digits/letters of the aircraft identification after communications are established. The pilot may use the abbreviated call sign in subsequent contacts with the ATC specialist.

[pianoman3635]

3. Civil aircraft pilots should state the aircraft type, model or manufacturer's name, followed by the digits/letters of the registration number. When the aircraft manufacturer's name or model is stated, the prefix "N" is dropped; e.g., Aztec Two Four Six Four Alpha.

[ritualghost]

Ok, so you just proved my point...

[pianoman3635]

At 2:56 and 3:39, the pilot in the video identifies himself as only Two One Zero Juliet Zulu. The PREFIX (November or aircraft type, but not both) is left out both times, which is incorrect.

The following are correct full callsigns:

CESSNA Two One Zero Juliet Zulu

NOVEMBER Two One Zero Juliet Zulu

The following are correct abbreviated callsigns:

CESSNA Zero Juliet Zulu

NOVEMBER Zero Juliet Zulu

The following is an INCORRECT callsign:

Two One Zero Juliet Zulu (used in video)

Zero Juliet Zulu

[drummerdude6485]

When the tower controller responded, she said tow one zero Juielt Siera. It is 210 Juielt Zulu!

[senterworks]

Agree with TunaHole, the correct procedure is " ...Cleared to Bravo Airspace , at or below 4000 , Cessna One two Three Alfa Bravo.

[goodgamejackass]

Well.... If he's in the class B he's cleared out of it... if he's transitioning he's cleared through it... The radio communication was fine... As an Air Traffic Controller I think i'd know...

[TunaHole]

Im sorry, but you dont start to read back your clearence with your call sign. Read back the clearence then your call sign

[camshaft30]

I wonder why he activated his flight plan by phone if he was operating from a controlled airport. Also, I think that an educational video should mention that excessive use of compliments, "uh"s and "okey"s should be avoided on the radio.. Great video though, no doubt.

[magnetoz]

How would you suggest that he open his flight plan?

[camshaft30]

Where I live, you file your FPL in advance, then only if operating from a noncontrolled airfield you "activate" it prior to departure or by radio once departed. If it's a controlled airfield, the tower controller will send the DEP message to area control for you, so you don't need to do anything. Perhaps the US system works differently then.

[SportysVideos]

A VFR flight plan in the US is filed on the ground with a Flight Service Station. Upon departure, the flight plan is opened with the closest Flight Service Station. These stations are separate from the air traffic control facilities. Only for IFR departures does ATC open your flight plan.

[camshaft30]

Thanks for the info, that's the relevant difference. In JAR countries anyway they open it regardless if it's VFR or IFR. Interesting!

[burningcow422]

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[Mohanathas]

very good

[skyyguyy]

This is a great refresher.