Hillary is hurting the democratic party even if she can't win she is bleeding Obama dry by throwin low blows and spending campaign money on still continuing to be in the race when as everyone knows she is losing. So Obama can't have enough campaign money to run against mcain and this shows she is lookn out for herself not the party. Don't believe everything u c or here on the news son!!lol
Clinton is not damaging the Democratic party. The people who continually ask her to drop out are. She is a fighter, and like her or not, she is showing her grit and I have become a fan of her because of it and because so many are outright mean to her, unfair, dismissive etc.
Since Indiana she has been damaging the party. She is mathematically eliminated and has lost all rationale to the superdelegates for continuing. I am out every day talking to Democratic voters and many Clinton supporters are hardening towards Obama. If that continues Hillary Clinton will be at the very least partially responsible for our loss in November.
Proof once again Democrats don't care about democracy, they only care about winning and try to change rules/stand by rules that promote their own end, ultimately denying votes to people blatantly and then wondering why no one trusts them. The Democrats never realize that its their own bullshit that costs them, the Republicans couldn't possibly win an election on their platform so they must have to cheat... bullshit, stop recounting/revoting/forcing people to drop out for "the party," Stalinists.
If Michigan and Florida supers are seated with full voting powers, Obama with then have 2090.5 delegates in the bag, just 40.25 (super) delegates short of the new magic number.
If Michigan and Florida supers are seated with half voting powers, that would put Obama even closer: just 39 (super) delegates from triumph.
I could make a case that the statement applies to Hillary. Originally I very much believed that the rules were the rules and don't change them just because you're losing.
However I had two thoughts that changed that.
1) Once upon a time slaves with no legal rights under the Constitution were 3/5 a human being so whites got more delegates to benefit the slave owners, now they want people to be 1/2 a human.
2) Ramos and Campeon are in prison because the "law" mattered more than justice.
You don't just change the rules when you feel like it. There is a process for that in our civilized country and if she isn't willing to abide by that then she can go down in flames.
"You don't just change the rules when you feel like it."
So does that apply to gay marriage? Health care?
Its not punishing Senator Clinton I'm concerned about, she can go to hell, its punishing people's rights to vote when the legislature made the decision. BUt anyway I can tell you're an Obama shill and if the opposition was the other way around you would be screaming the exact opposite, I've seen it too many times where "Sunni/Shia;Auscwitz" type similarities have separate rules.
Every issue you mentioned is handled by a process of creating laws. You are talking about Hillary changing the rules in the middle of an election. Apples to oranges.
No one is punishing them after tomorrow. The simple fact is that counting the votes wont make a difference. Obama still wins.
No its no apples to oranges, and the fact Obama still "wins" with unConstitutional superdelegates (as did Walter Mondale, nothing against the IL Senator) is pertinent because again I don't care about Clinton.
There is a legal recourse for appeal against the decision at the Rules COmmittee once they censure the delegation it just relays the decision to the Convention floor and the DNC pretty much agrees that would fracture the party. Its not rewriting the platform, there are provisions for it.
Hillary backed the war, now she's against it. She wanted to exclude Florida and Michigan and now she's against it. She wanted to support the Democrats now she's against them. She wanted to support America and now she's against it. Vote for Hillary, she'll betray you with style.
If Hillary gets in then at least we can laugh when her sheep fans are amongst the first she slaughters.
I didn't vote because I knew my vote wouldn't count on the primary but I would had voted for Obama and most of my friends would had done the same so why is Hillary crying about it when it was agreed on before th voting even began.
She didn't say that sexism is the reason why she lost. The Washington Post showed an article summarising coverage of this election in how sexism was treated seriously thoughtout the campaign. Hillary was acknowledging that sexism and racism exits but that sexism was considered more tolerable in society. You can hear the interview on youtube if you look back in the videos, she wasn't saying sexism accounted for the position she was in.
Yea she did in so many ways, just another way to divide and conquer the ranks but whatever. I dont care and hopefully most ppl feel the same all this racism sexism shit is just a distraction we need to start asking how bad are these guys gonna mess this country up if they do get the button...and why they wont talk about the future of corporate america
Have you seen her supporters? they are crying sexism and all after his "sweetie" remark to a reporter, now tell me how many stupid excuses do we need to hear from this silly Hypocrite Hillary.
look honestly answer me this if Hillary agreed not to count the Florida and Michigan votes why does she want to change her mind now that she is loosing??? what if it was backwards and Obama was the one loosing I can honestly tell you he would not go back on his word of not counting Michigan and Florida
He definetly would have if he had won in saying they should count. I'm kind of tired of arguing with people of Hillary and Obama's position.Surely we can agree that independent of our candidate's position, this is a once in a lifetime election and the people in Michigan at least deserve a revote with both names on the ballot, even if the outcome doesn't changed. And if Florida's results are being disputed then they should do a revote there aswell.
The fact is that Hillary has lied her self to votes and she has played all the cards she played good and bad ones and Obama is still on top regardless of the Michigan or Florida DELEGATES 'cause the peoples vote is just a popularity contest for the delegates to see who is more popular, but we all know the most popular are not usually the best. Hillary is a strong lady but when she does and say anything to win even lie well that is where we know is old shady hypocrite politics as usual.
Notice how she keeps plugging her website & telling ppl to go & give money there? She sounds like a TV evangelist who will take the last penny from the old widow & NOT care. She`s still in the race b/c she can keep collecting money, but the second she leaves the race she has to stop collecting money and pay her debt. She`s a rich woman but she prefers the poor, uneducated ppl she represents to pay her bills instead. She has no scrupples.
why is it so wrong for her to want every state to gets its' vote in? maybe she truly feels that Obama will not win in November and she is trying to stay in the race so that every voter will get a chance to vote.
The thing is she already agreed with everyone else to those voters not getting their chance to vote. Now that she's falling behind she suddenly cares that they get a chance to vote. So basically she only wants everyone to get a vote when it suits her.
She's trying to pull a Bush move, win by going with Florida's fucked up system.
I can't believe you buy that crock of shit, joseph. She's the same person who said, publicly, that the nomination battle would be over by Super Tuesday and that she would be the winner. Don't buy her sanctimonious crap about the "voters"...please. She's out for self.
That first email was dead on!!! How can Michigan & Florida be called legitimate elections when everyone in the state knew that the primary wouldn't count? There has got to be quite a lot of people who would have voted but didn't cause it was pointless. Hell, Hillary was the only 1 on the ballot in MI.
So I gotta wonder if she'd agree to having a do-over in Michigan & Florida knowing that her "if you count those states I win the popular vote" arguement could be destroyed. I doubt she would.
Pfft,,,You PUMAs are idiots. McCain is basically bush. McCain's full name should be John "Stay the Course" McCain.
Ulivore 3 years ago
Hillary Supporters For McCain 2008 !!
This is what Obama gets for calling Bill Clinton a racist.
junkie4vids 3 years ago
Hillary is hurting the democratic party even if she can't win she is bleeding Obama dry by throwin low blows and spending campaign money on still continuing to be in the race when as everyone knows she is losing. So Obama can't have enough campaign money to run against mcain and this shows she is lookn out for herself not the party. Don't believe everything u c or here on the news son!!lol
4everPhire22 3 years ago
david duke hahaha
enferno00 3 years ago
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pxleyes 3 years ago
Clinton is not damaging the Democratic party. The people who continually ask her to drop out are. She is a fighter, and like her or not, she is showing her grit and I have become a fan of her because of it and because so many are outright mean to her, unfair, dismissive etc.
TETurkhan 3 years ago
She's damaging the party because she has no mathematical way of winning yet she continues to try and knock the true candidate.
pxleyes 3 years ago
Since Indiana she has been damaging the party. She is mathematically eliminated and has lost all rationale to the superdelegates for continuing. I am out every day talking to Democratic voters and many Clinton supporters are hardening towards Obama. If that continues Hillary Clinton will be at the very least partially responsible for our loss in November.
btinder711 3 years ago 2
The Reason?
Because they the Delegates will be found out as to who they really are.
They are afraid, because by voting and being called out breaks the number 1 rule of fight club.
DON'T TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB!
The devils undoing is always their blind lust for power.
IT'S TIME TO STAND!
communityx 3 years ago
Proof once again Democrats don't care about democracy, they only care about winning and try to change rules/stand by rules that promote their own end, ultimately denying votes to people blatantly and then wondering why no one trusts them. The Democrats never realize that its their own bullshit that costs them, the Republicans couldn't possibly win an election on their platform so they must have to cheat... bullshit, stop recounting/revoting/forcing people to drop out for "the party," Stalinists.
happyjesucr 3 years ago
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If Michigan and Florida supers are seated with full voting powers, Obama with then have 2090.5 delegates in the bag, just 40.25 (super) delegates short of the new magic number.
If Michigan and Florida supers are seated with half voting powers, that would put Obama even closer: just 39 (super) delegates from triumph.
These numbers were calculated 4 days ago.
pxleyes 3 years ago
I could make a case that the statement applies to Hillary. Originally I very much believed that the rules were the rules and don't change them just because you're losing.
However I had two thoughts that changed that.
1) Once upon a time slaves with no legal rights under the Constitution were 3/5 a human being so whites got more delegates to benefit the slave owners, now they want people to be 1/2 a human.
2) Ramos and Campeon are in prison because the "law" mattered more than justice.
happyjesucr 3 years ago
You don't just change the rules when you feel like it. There is a process for that in our civilized country and if she isn't willing to abide by that then she can go down in flames.
pxleyes 3 years ago
"You don't just change the rules when you feel like it."
So does that apply to gay marriage? Health care?
Its not punishing Senator Clinton I'm concerned about, she can go to hell, its punishing people's rights to vote when the legislature made the decision. BUt anyway I can tell you're an Obama shill and if the opposition was the other way around you would be screaming the exact opposite, I've seen it too many times where "Sunni/Shia;Auscwitz" type similarities have separate rules.
happyjesucr 3 years ago
Every issue you mentioned is handled by a process of creating laws. You are talking about Hillary changing the rules in the middle of an election. Apples to oranges.
No one is punishing them after tomorrow. The simple fact is that counting the votes wont make a difference. Obama still wins.
pxleyes 3 years ago
No its no apples to oranges, and the fact Obama still "wins" with unConstitutional superdelegates (as did Walter Mondale, nothing against the IL Senator) is pertinent because again I don't care about Clinton.
There is a legal recourse for appeal against the decision at the Rules COmmittee once they censure the delegation it just relays the decision to the Convention floor and the DNC pretty much agrees that would fracture the party. Its not rewriting the platform, there are provisions for it.
happyjesucr 3 years ago
WTF. Super delegates have been a part of the process since day one.
Super delegates are the ONLY way that Hillary can win.
pxleyes 3 years ago
She's a complete sociopath. How's that for an answer?
Scientific1 3 years ago 4
Hillary backed the war, now she's against it. She wanted to exclude Florida and Michigan and now she's against it. She wanted to support the Democrats now she's against them. She wanted to support America and now she's against it. Vote for Hillary, she'll betray you with style.
If Hillary gets in then at least we can laugh when her sheep fans are amongst the first she slaughters.
chunkylimey 3 years ago 4
She agreed in the beginning that they would not count the votes! No she's crying about it. Typical Clinton.....trying to pull crap left and right!!
luigfresh 3 years ago 4
I didn't vote because I knew my vote wouldn't count on the primary but I would had voted for Obama and most of my friends would had done the same so why is Hillary crying about it when it was agreed on before th voting even began.
gallomex13 3 years ago 4
She didn't say that sexism is the reason why she lost. The Washington Post showed an article summarising coverage of this election in how sexism was treated seriously thoughtout the campaign. Hillary was acknowledging that sexism and racism exits but that sexism was considered more tolerable in society. You can hear the interview on youtube if you look back in the videos, she wasn't saying sexism accounted for the position she was in.
0613162k 3 years ago
Yea she did in so many ways, just another way to divide and conquer the ranks but whatever. I dont care and hopefully most ppl feel the same all this racism sexism shit is just a distraction we need to start asking how bad are these guys gonna mess this country up if they do get the button...and why they wont talk about the future of corporate america
shenmueryu 3 years ago
Have you seen her supporters? they are crying sexism and all after his "sweetie" remark to a reporter, now tell me how many stupid excuses do we need to hear from this silly Hypocrite Hillary.
gallomex13 3 years ago 2
Don't generalise us. That's Ferraro saying that. I don't support Ferraro I support Hillary.
0613162k 3 years ago
look honestly answer me this if Hillary agreed not to count the Florida and Michigan votes why does she want to change her mind now that she is loosing??? what if it was backwards and Obama was the one loosing I can honestly tell you he would not go back on his word of not counting Michigan and Florida
gallomex13 3 years ago 2
He definetly would have if he had won in saying they should count. I'm kind of tired of arguing with people of Hillary and Obama's position.Surely we can agree that independent of our candidate's position, this is a once in a lifetime election and the people in Michigan at least deserve a revote with both names on the ballot, even if the outcome doesn't changed. And if Florida's results are being disputed then they should do a revote there aswell.
0613162k 3 years ago
The fact is that Hillary has lied her self to votes and she has played all the cards she played good and bad ones and Obama is still on top regardless of the Michigan or Florida DELEGATES 'cause the peoples vote is just a popularity contest for the delegates to see who is more popular, but we all know the most popular are not usually the best. Hillary is a strong lady but when she does and say anything to win even lie well that is where we know is old shady hypocrite politics as usual.
gallomex13 3 years ago
Notice how she keeps plugging her website & telling ppl to go & give money there? She sounds like a TV evangelist who will take the last penny from the old widow & NOT care. She`s still in the race b/c she can keep collecting money, but the second she leaves the race she has to stop collecting money and pay her debt. She`s a rich woman but she prefers the poor, uneducated ppl she represents to pay her bills instead. She has no scrupples.
paisleyyama 3 years ago
why is it so wrong for her to want every state to gets its' vote in? maybe she truly feels that Obama will not win in November and she is trying to stay in the race so that every voter will get a chance to vote.
josephbnany 3 years ago
The thing is she already agreed with everyone else to those voters not getting their chance to vote. Now that she's falling behind she suddenly cares that they get a chance to vote. So basically she only wants everyone to get a vote when it suits her.
She's trying to pull a Bush move, win by going with Florida's fucked up system.
blackrainuponus 3 years ago
Its wrong because she agreed they would not count before voting even began.
gallomex13 3 years ago
I can't believe you buy that crock of shit, joseph. She's the same person who said, publicly, that the nomination battle would be over by Super Tuesday and that she would be the winner. Don't buy her sanctimonious crap about the "voters"...please. She's out for self.
Scientific1 3 years ago 4
That first email was dead on!!! How can Michigan & Florida be called legitimate elections when everyone in the state knew that the primary wouldn't count? There has got to be quite a lot of people who would have voted but didn't cause it was pointless. Hell, Hillary was the only 1 on the ballot in MI.
So I gotta wonder if she'd agree to having a do-over in Michigan & Florida knowing that her "if you count those states I win the popular vote" arguement could be destroyed. I doubt she would.
swaggajee 3 years ago 3
since when did kentucky and freaken west viginia mean anything to anybody omg
DUGLESSM 3 years ago
Hillary is a cunt
JeremiahWrightJr 3 years ago 11
let her in let her loss more money aint like shes goin be nominated let her get out of it in debt and full of holes
papichulo9022 3 years ago