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  • Two of the best speakers together :D Thank you , you two for risking your lives by speaking out aswell as David Duke!

  • Icke has claimed he is an Angel By claiming he is a Angel David Icke has by his own words identified himself as a reptilian tare. A Tare is a replicant humanoid half Angel Half human perfect counterfeit of mankind

    The Holy Bible makes it very clear that any half man half Angel is an Abomination

  • @singledad1234 does christian curse? You are rotten like a sick plant you believe system turned you blind and ignorant...

  • @singledad1234 Keep telling yourself that lol

  • gotta love Icke dude

  • @pulseb, you need to check yourself, this universe is far more strange then your're retarded 6 year old mind could ever wrap around. Why don't you stop crying about Alex finally waking up and start doing your homework you piece of trash.

    

  • @Howardthefaggot, you are very dumb, I bet you never once read one of his books you closed minded fuck.

  • blue monday!

  • Alex Jones always reminds me about Eric Cartman

  • Wow, didn't Alex Jones disparage icke for being insane(/or a conman) for his reptilian theories. I mean he verbally spit on the man, and for good reason. Now he's here sucking on his teet, just to get views on youtube. Really pathetic Alex. Stand up for what's right or shut your mouth. ALEX lost what little shred of integrity he had; WAY TO TAKE A DUMP IN THE PUNCHBOWL ALEX. Shame on you.

  • @pulseblixx Yeah, you tell em....Alex is a man with totaly lack of integrity. Peoples wont addmit that becouse they self lack integrity. Its like this in a nutshell: Peoples wont lynch a guy when they are guilty of doing the same crime

  • Come on peoples. Tell me where Alex Jones says: There will be a terror strike in the USA 9\11 against the world trade center, or There will be a Terror plot against Norway with a bomb and massacres...He don't say it anywhere, except after it has happend. And wen i say it will happen again somewhere someday. That does not mean i predicted anything concrete. Wake up from the disillusion's about Alex

  • @HowardTheServant Right when alex heard about the 9/11 incident, he was 1 of the first to connect this to his own government as opposed to everyone else blaming it on silly terrorists. So get your facts straight. All that matters was that he was able to tie those incidents with the bigger picture. Who cares if he didn't predict a PLANE crashing into twin towers...Does he have to predict EVERY little detail of how the government will carry out the plan? No. So stop bashing him you mong.

  • @hotcocao55 You just dont get it, cant blame you

  • Come on peoples. Tell me where Alex Jones says: There will be a terror strike in the USA 9\11 against the world trade center, or There will be a Terror plot against Norway with a bomb and massacres...He don't say it anywhere, except after it has happend. And wen i say it will happen again somewhere someday. That does not mean i predicted anything concrete. W

  • @Lancerlot11 You are dead wrong.Remember i was a pro-Alex Jones for a long time. After analyzing every thing there is to know about that guy, plus taken my time open minded to research everything from the "for and against Alex" material,my conclusion is that: Alex Jones don't give a dame about you, me or anyone but him self. I still get all the time so called videos where Alex is supposed to predict the 9\11 and The Norway terror, but he do not say anywhere anything concrete. Show me the proof

  • @HowardTheServant "videos where Alex is supposed to predict the 9\11 and The Norway terror, but he do not say anywhere anything concrete"

    - Albert Einstein once claimed his idea of a cosmological constant was wrong and it was his "greatest blunder". In the end, his idea was proven correct, so he was wrong about being wrong. This does not mean that all of his work was flawed! I'm sure you know all about this because you're an extremely intelligent, well educated and informed individual. Not.

  • @Jinsun202 That must be the worst defense i have heard so far...you cant possible mean " Alex J is justified becouse Albert Einstein was smarter than he thought", ..

  • Alex Jones is full of lies. He thinks he for told 9-11 and the terror attack in norway,

    but never shows the proof. Alex is the king of the mental handicaps

  • LOL I love how Alex gives over to David at 08:25...

  • yer yer yer boring crap

  • How do any of you KNOW what is truth?All you have is your opinions or ideas. That's fine. Criticizing everyone else's ideas is exactly one more way to keep you all preoccupied so your attention is away from what's really going on

  • It would be naive to just dismiss this information.

  • alex jones having two false truthers on his show david icke and jorden maxwell whats up with that the only guy hes had on of that magnitude that ever told truth was Bill Cooper which alex claims is is attacking him from the grave lol he should have Kieth Tompson on Why have all the Christian truthers been silenced or framed or killed interesting isn't it because thier the ones telling the real truth

  • they both are a part of Illuminati :) ...

    watch?v=9a8J_uPLHXA

  • 2 disinfo agents gatekeepers of fucking illuminati talking..: D

  • 30% truth mixed with 70% bullshit that's what these two are about imo, very convincing though.

  • 0:58 BIN LADEN HAS FB!  I FUCKIN LOLED!

  • Wait, so Alex Jones is on board with Icke's story that humanity is being ruled by lizard creatures?

  • @backwoodsninja No, Alex agrees with 95%. Alex is trapped by religious dogma. They agree on everything else.

  • David Icke=Real truth seeker

  • @pmsan29 David Icke= False Prophet+ Disinfo.

  • david icke! = great mind

  • @SKATERCOMICS oh please, he thinks hes the son of god....

  • @againstAlexjones not anymore...he thinks he is God now...what you say?

  • How the hell does David Icke know my Aunt Ethel!!??

  • heres a couple of dis informationists....at least they are opening peoples minds though

  • @NuLickCrew Did you just contradict yourself?

  • @NewtonFinn No. I said they are dis-informationists. They open up peoples minds and then lead them to a dead end.

  • @NuLickCrew How so?

  • I liek how people whoo comment haf graspt of english, Icky is idiot and he is a pie too.

  • >> David Icke Debunked: /watch?v=FbEgvx1qelw <<

  • wot good is it for all the goverments to allow such destruction to daily life?

  • david icke must no wot hes talking about, as why would he do it?...

  • David Icke knows what hes talking about,

    I need to have a one on one conversation with him

  • @chhaoww sum of wot he says must b true!!

  • Oh please... David Icke thinks the people high up are a reptillian race... do we really need to listen to HIM?!

  • I dont agree with any borders really, even a full world border. Destroy all the nations. Despite what devious schemers want we live in anarchy.

    Open sorce world is the way we need to go. We also need to realize that we do not have infinite resorces and that every person need to have access to equal share by birthright to survive. Remember there is enough for everyone's need but not their greed. We also need to look into the future of colonizing space.

  • @redtrippyvision sorce ? resorces ? I think you mean source & resource. Not an attack just friendly advice. When our spelling is inaccurate it gives our enemies an excuse to attack us, gives them a foothold to question our credibility.

    Cheers

  • The minions of the mass murdering Debt Syndicate will not allow humanity to go across their own street, much less to the stars.

    The creatures that inhabit the demesne of the mass murdering Debt Syndicate do not consider themselves human. Out of their own mouths, they consider themselves to be a separate superior species, a self-proclaimed psychopathic predator preying on humanity.

    We The People are food items.

    The bankers are killing us.

  • Sounds like David is going right wing...

  • There is not a big difference between the British and lets say Portugese or Poles who are living in the UK hence no cocktail. Those people with the time will get Brtish passports and after 10 years no one will be able to say they weren't born in the UK. In the mean time lots of Brits are leaving their country and going to live in Portugal, Spain and Australia and I think this is pretty good. To stay in "our own" countries and and to tatoo our flags on our foeheads would be what David wants?

  • @hellohellogone I am 28, in my community there are about 3500 people. Halloween back then (90s) and kids were out all day and night having fun, all day and night. I may have seen 60 kids today. Not even candy can lure them out of the house anymore. I agree with your opinion on obsessive attitudes towards luxury items (cells, computers ect) having a destructive effect on life styles. The production of too many useful items has resulted in the production of way too many useless people. Sad times

  • Bill Cooper was the man, these guys are nothing compared to him in my opinion*

  • @thomasmoonman come on, alex jones is a good guy as well. And Icke apart from the unprovable lizard thing has also some nice points. All of them have their flaws but hey, do we want an idol here?

  • @kilirm Jones is a great performer who mixes truth(NO DOUBTTTT) with absolute BS, He makes money on fear tactics and mongering. If he were legit he would be dead, bottom line. Then you have Mr Icke, A man who is a brilliant mind indeed, No argument from me on that. Once again mixes all kinds of valuable truth with TOTAL HORSE SHIT. The queen of England gos to a basement in Buckingham palace to turn into a "lizard" ? These men totally discredit the movement that strives to expose the truth.TOOLS

  • @thomasmoonman Yeah AJ is a very gifted communicator, b ut I would not say he mixes anything with absolute BS. He many times express his personal view and perspective, but it is not too "over the top" as people like to say, imo. And I completely agree on the lizard stuff. It's awful, he should keep it to himself if he believe those people are indeed lizards, I think Icke bought into the lizard thing after being convinced by that zulu guy, he took it for granted perhaps.

  • @kilirm I cant believe people actually A) Believe the Lizard concept. Even more astounding how any intelligent person can believe that Icke Believes the Lizard concept. I would be willing to bet my left hand that this man is a total trickster. A diss info agent of the finest degree. Now If you believe that their is a shadowy elite that are creating all these mind fxxk games on us then you would have to agree they are involved in counter truth programs. This man is a piece of shit, talented one.

  • @thomasmoonman agreed

  • @kilirm He lost my respect when slamming a dead man (Bill Cooper R.I.P) Who he emulates at every chance he gets. No respectable disrespects the dead, Esp a man who gave his life in the passion for his country, For truth and for valor. When those who are skeptical of these topics (NWO, Bilderberg ect ect) View these guys they most often scoff at what they are presented with. These men are destroying any chance at credibility for persuading the ignorant masses. Alan Watt is THE MAN, he isnt NUTS

  • @thomasmoonman I understand your anger over them, although I dont share it. At least you arent a complete denier of all these guys talk about like so many cynic morons we see around. I believe Icke really bought into the lizard thing because he somewhat fell for what the zulus told him, well, his fault. But at any rate we cannot prove him wrong either. Some, like me, choose to be skeptical and me and you are in the same boat about it. Anyways, the important thing is to keep thinking for yourself

  • @kilirm Could not agree more with your last sentence, Cheers brother and Peace to you.

  • End of countries ..end of borders? hmm sounds real good!

  • @thom8406 Peace is lack of opposition. Nothing more. I like being a sovereign country (Canada) We are all the same no doubt, Our culture/s must survive though, otherwise we are heading down an awful dull path.

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  • 1web...a tool for orgasms! lol

  • 1:51....look into my eyes, u are getting sleepy

  • Erm we don't need another Saddam Hussain M16TommyEnglish.

  • Today i saw a number plate on a car with the word CHANGE.

  • I saw a BP worker shape shift on tv.

  • I want a huge change now for everyone ( we need to stay strong oh yes ), the government will fall i have no doubt about that.

  • @Elefant95 The joke is on you, and me for that matter.

  • @MrSteveEllis Why is the joke on me ?.I think the aspartame & soya milk has messed my head up, a fair bit here.

  • We are going to kick the governments ass now.Thanks to David, Alex & other people helping us out, i'm eternally grateful you are life savers ( heroes in my eyes, lots of love ).It's partly orchestrated through science, really ( chemicals, pills etc ).They are a bunch of evil, murdering, thieving scum bags & hope these slime balls rot in hell.

  • @Elefant95

    ....david is a LIER!

  • @Akillesblood nooo its not that its because i seen them; he is telling the truth; theirs not just reptilians theirs alot more

  • @Akillesblood david is telling the truth;

  • @Akillesblood Absurd? Or just possibly challenging your 'belief structure' causing you to shift from your mental comfort zone.

  • @Akillesblood Is it? Renowned quantum physicians like Michio Kaku are now confirming what David Icke has said more than 10 years ago. The truth is hard.

  • @nielss4 Quantum physics says all energy is consciousness, your reality is an illusion, a hologramatic multiverse existing purely out of an intelligent, infinite consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. The whole contains every part and every part contains the whole. Realise your beliefs and experiences are shaped by your senses which operate within a tiny frequency range, outside of this range are infinite frequencies which you cannot perceive. Flat world, it is not. Close Eyes Open Mind

  • @BSANONYMOUS Things will soon change.....we do not need a violent revolution because then we would be no better then the controlling elite. Everything will work out the way it should......Humans have lived in chaos long enough.

  • @BSANONYMOUS Nah you said we need to fight and being peaceful will bring nothing. I didn't talk shit stop with the ego nonsense and step back for a sec..... Maybe people should fight for their rights but not the way you are saying, not without peace. Learn what humans really are deep down inside, then try and talk. Until then just watch and learn..... Peace and Love

  • @BSANONYMOUS Ah shit, i found a troll trying to Misinform!!!!!!!!

  • What a great talk. I get it. Always enlightening. Thanks men.

  • When the web goes down, is when i pick up the gun.

  • @hayshblahh me too i'm waiting for the day. a coup is in order 4 sure.

  • religion is the problem not paganism

  • people get ready

  • these to guys speak to each other like a back-slapping hive-mind.

  • divide and conquor is the trick they use to weaken people along with destroying the family structure & the power of women. now wake up. fascism and total slavery. it is already been and still is legal for the government to experiment on its citizens in the USA on anybody and any towns of any age and race people for any reason they claim is needed for the benefit of the whole without consent or knowledge. and the findings are copyrighted by private companies who charge a lot for the cures & tech.

  • I can't even stand watching the mainstream news or programs anymore.

  • @4illegalalien

    My point is simple: David Icke is credible as Dick Cheney.

  • The borders idea & cultural blending really makes sense.

    I hadn't really thought of that before watching this for some reason.

  • That's when Alex loses me ... David Icke ?!?! Are you kidding me ? This guy believes that an alien spieces called Reptilians are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy against humanity...

  • @vsv23te Man AJ's slipping he forgot to announce him as Jesus Christ, like he (David Icke) claimed to be on the Wogan show in 1991. And Alex said he was a turd in a punch bowl a couple years ago. Now their best friends. I'm losing my faith in AJ. David Icke claims this all came to him while standing in the rain on top of a mountain. David is Jesus but he never talk's about GOD but he talks about kundalini

  • @JimmyCarol100 Watch David on the Fern Britton show on youtube, he clears the whole jesus christ thing.

  • @vsv23te he has also spent the last 20 years travelling to over 40 countries researching the idea, so don't completely rule out the possibility. People are so quick to judge and condemn particularly when they don't have the whole story. Who is crazier? the man who comes to a conclusion (no matter how far fetched) after years of research, or the one who dismisses it with no research whatsoever? open your mind a little

  • @jalidav1

    Sure, but you should try to get one first...

  • Everyone should Repost this on their Facebook and try to make at least one person aware and active.  We need change and not the type the Globalist have in store for us

  • Great guys, only missing Jacque Fresco to get the perfect team

  • yes!

  • i dont like ickes 1 world conciousness cause it leads to the 1 world religion of NWO

    but he speaks facts on many things

  • Osama got a twitter account.....hahaha (Joking)

    - @OsamaB "I'm bored and it smells in this cave. I can't wait until they report that I'm dead like MJ so I can get the hell out of here."

    SOS send beer!

  • Daring to stand up for what you believe in and speaking out makes you a dangerously attractive target for assassination. I hope this David Icke realizes the inherent risks in what he's doing... Some will call him a cultist, others a leader, I say we listen to everyone and make our own well informed decisions.

  • OPEN BORDERS?!!

    I'm going to Aruba!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • the battle for my attention was lost along time ago...without the gift from god a my own realization,of what real and not, has brought me to the conclusion the elite have played this game for thousands of years,when they are about to lose control they depopulate the earth and start anew...i just wonder who they REALLY are and yes i know about humans, not them@!!!

  • still so many brainwashed people though, its sad

  • Alex disagrees with him on wikipedia - icke page. look at the bottom.

  • the lizards are getting nervous. good!

  • @cooldaddyy the cattle are getting more cooperative and obedient & more ignorant & paranoid. enjoy the trip. I wish death to all selfish pigs & brainless cattle. may the lizards rule the earth because they deserve to. for those who want others to sacrifice their lives for them to survive; I wish you death also. Hell is a place fit for such evil beings. do you know what evil is? well I just described evil. enjoy being evil and being destroyed by the forces of nature / god / karma / justice etc.

  • @candygir7

    so ur supportin the reptilians?

  • @cooldaddyy haha yeah baby!!!

  • @cooldaddyy

    no there not

  • I pray they dont get to him like they did to David Shayler.......

    How many years/months/days are there till we are at war with iran......??

    Answers on a postcard

  • The death of Canadian culture

  • @Bleibtmann

    How Does it Feel by New Order.

  • lol the 18 losers that voted this video down to try and make us think there's no nwo.

  • You should blame the Government for this Oil Leak Mess. They make laws in a snap under our noses overnight & enforce them on us. They print illegal money & hand it to Bankers. Why don't they print money for the People of Louisiana and then they can send British Petroleum the Bill? They won't do it because they are protecting BP. WAKE UP SHEEP !!!

  • @rocksiphone

    Theres no such thing as British Petroleum anymore

  • 54,204  views ?????

    :-D

  • When you have two people in a room, one of whom is David Icke, and that sad cunt isn't the weirdest fucker of the two, you are entering a twilight world of olympics proportions.

  • FACT:-We have been SOLD a FALSE freedom! but we are the guards as well as the innmates! we have all the keys! With eyes open we will see them hanging of our belts. JUST STOP! it's that simple STOP BEING DISTRACTED cut the cable/ no more tv! STOP FEEDING THE FED no new loans! STOP OIL SPILLS put less gas in your tank! STOP COLUDING with the CONTROLING EVIL! Then START asking questions! Find some land, howerver small and START GROWING And YOU will grow too! that simple! Not tommorrow NOW!

  • 9/11 was an inside job, the Queen is George Orwell's bitch

  • I just wonna ask some people, do you really belive that alex jones is real?

    becuse bill cooper, sade no to that he is real!?

  • @Norrahammarbyhamnen who cares what bill cooper said, he also called david icke a fraud, when david icke spearheaded alot of this shit, and you wouldnt even know who bill cooper was without david icke..

    im not saying ignore anyone who says david is wrong, im saying david backs everything up with research and hard evidence, where as bill cooper just shot off his OPINIONS at anyone who wasnt him.. with no proof whatsoever of his claims.. alex gets way too much greif for what he does, david too.

  • @u If you watched the videos then you must know one of the main objections is that there can NEVER be enough JOBS for everyone in FREE MARKET capitalism. And as technology expands, there is less. So anyone without a job in that system is fucked. That is inherent in capitalism, with FED or not.

    In RBE we will use all the resources and tech to create abundance. And automate most jobs. Is it so hard to see that if machines do most of the work, everyone will be FREE and sustained?

  • The people who run Iran, Russia, North & South America, Africa, China etc. they are all the same group of people. The wars kill people & terrorize them & shed innocent blood to satisfy their demonic gods. Earth is either good or evil (less or more) & we need to allign ourselves with the good people & protect themselves & create our own secret societies & expose all the manipulation & lies. Nancy Schaefer & her husband & many activists were murdered. Expose the criminals & bring them to justice.

  • @candygir7 yes!!! light up the darkness

  • @19jSeXy89 there is no darkness, people are being told to look to another direction where sports, entertainment & media news filled with lies is being communicated to the masses to keep them thinking everything is OK. We need to give the people another direction to look at and some information & facts for them to observe & know what is really going on.

  • David Icke is a nut job - Penn & Teller owned his shit on an episode of Bullshit. I believe the establishment is fucked, but it's man whose made it fucked - not a race of reptilian humaniodes.

  • @Deffcon0NE The global elite are likely not even 'human'. They are the biblical Nephilim/Watchers.

    BTW Penn & Teller named their show aptly as they seem to peddle nothing but orthodox 'bullshit' themselves.

  • @pmsan29 you can't actually believe what you just said . . . not human? lmfao how impressionable are you? You need to figure it out bro lol

  • @Deffcon0NE Are you familiar with the concept of 'Divine right to rule'? This is an outright proclamation, an admittance of the global elites non-human origin. The demi-god/god-kings of the ancient past never went away.

  • Icke

  • Hey Alex remember when you talked shit about ice, so what changed.

  • America has always been a melting pot of different cultures, a country of immigrants. It's no shock to me. I enjoy different cultures.

  • Alex Jones refuses to name the Jews. He is married to one. He is a Zionist.

  • Oh my god i cant deal with all this any more first they blew up the world trade towers now they are blowing up the whole wide world! We are gonna die help me god i can't take all this hysteria in my mind! Alex Jones is teh lord and master of the human race! I love Alax he is a hero and will live forever as a god in space. He will save us when the really bad stuff happens and the gov puts us all in concentration death camps.

  • wow get David back for future shows

  • both of these men are fearmongers. they profit off your fear. when alex realised the enormous fan base david had, he changed his attitude towards david. don't fill your lives with this negativity. nobody wants to be near know-it-all, conspiracy theory, anti-goverment people....except people who feel the same way. enjoy life, kiss your girlfriend, spend time with people you love, and please don't poison them with this nonsense. life is short, put down the newspaper and turn off t.v

  • @captam666 i disagree, i don't see this as negativity at all. I'm excited by this. THIS IS AWESOME! I'm awake and ready for war! I'm glad that im alive now rather then 50 years ago, during the big sleep. In a way i agree about Jones, he is a bit of a fear monger. I find Icke, calming and his philosophy hopeful. However i researched jones and couldn't find anything disproving any of his theories.A lot of people don't LIKE him, but they cannot refute any of his claims.

  • @captam666........Ignorance is bliss, but only for so long.

  • @pmsan29 it's not ignorance. it's making the best of the time we have. alex jones is not helping anyone. except himself. same for david icke. they count their money, in comfortable homes they built, by selling books, movies, etc. time is short, don't waste it on these guys.if you listen to alex's show to much, you'll be angry all the time. it will infect your life, and the lives of those around you. let it go... .

  • @captam666 I don't know where to start with this, you need to get some more brain cells buddy. You'd rather we just sit on our butts and let psychopaths take over our lives, kill us, control us, let them inject deadly chemicals into children via vaccines?

  • @MysteryChocolate Very true indeed. Captam appears to be suffering from a very severe case of cognitive dissonance, just like 95% of the rest of the population caught up in such trivial banalities as Britneys new haircut, and the meaningless Lebron James nonsense.

  • @captam666 Thats the oldest pseudo-skeptic argument in the book. Imply that someone is making massive amounts of money in an effort to try to discredit the ideas/information that they are presenting. Not going to work on me Capt'm.

  • @pmsan29 don't misunderstand. i know things are changing for the worse. my point is it can't be stopped, at least not in our lifetimes. you can't fight a tank, with strong words, and a wal-mart shotgun. i've spent to much time researching this stuff. i wish i had that time back. this stuff will poison your life, and the lives of those you speak to. also in regards to icke, this guy says the elite are lizards, with no proof. kinda reminds me of another form of relegion. don't buy into it....

  • @captam666....You see, you open yourself to criticism when you make contradicting statements such as 'there is no proof' for a Reptilian/hybrid race, yet you claim to be informed in the subject. Quite obviously your just pretending, because if you really did have knowledge of this subject you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it, as you have. Saying there is no 'proof' is ludicrous. You have no 'proof' on which you've based your conclusions. There is mounds of evidence.

  • I HAVE DONE MY RESERCH!

    REPORT EVERYTHING BELONGS TO ALEX JONES, HE HAS CHANGE "CLUB'S"

    AND TRY TO BLIND US, REPORT HIM NOW!

  • Just  brilliant!

  • why don't you suggest solutions instead of telling us what we already know? Why isn't any television program devoted to coming up with solutions... your head is so big that it filled up my entire house when I played this on youtube. Be still.... you really need to calm down. You are very very smart. think of solutions.

  • At one time, Alex Jones did not like David Icke. Obviously, that has changed. Glad it has. Why? David Icke, Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura, moreorless in that order, are "voices in the wilderness" fearlessly warning people of what really is going to come about and really is happening. Global governemnt is good ... with just and caring leaders. These leaders are neither just nor caring. They are power-mad, greed-driven and demonically-possessed. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. Were screwed, folks.

  • Over many years we have all been lied to by our Govts. Not just our Govts but by Religous Leaders. We have been taught things that are not in Scripture & many have swallowed many lies by these false prophets. If you are a truth seeker please visit the web site which is displayed in our user name & take the time to read some of the articles.You will be shocked. THERE IS A GREAT AUDIO FOR YOU TO LISTEN TO. You WILL COME AWAY ASKING MANY QUESTIONS. REAL SHOCKING.

    Blessings as you seek truth

  • ROFL how the fuck does David Icke still ANY credibility left.

  • @FrankGarrett316 what's your point?