Sheryl is the kind of character I HATE to seen in anime/manga. She's extremely demanding and always causes conflict. Though, Ranka is unrealistically perfect (which also bothers me), she is much more tolerable and adorable in a way. The entire story was a tease in getting my hopes up, only to knock them down. A complete waste of my time.
So glad he picked Sheryl. If the Ranka, the very definition of a green moe blob got the guy.. -sigh- I like Sheryl's flaws over Ranka's false perfection.
Some people are really in DENIAL, I have seen alot of stupid comments online and really it's just.....denial. Alto is in love with Sheryl and sheryl is in love with Alto, While Ranka is in love with Alto while Alto is not in love with her. I think that's pretty easy to undertand. Ranka's love was completly one sided. Not to mention the visual colletion that shows sheryl & Alto's being together :D
I'm glad Alto picked Sheryl (No offense to Alto/Ranka fans) because, like Alto was a huge jerk to Ranka.(-bitch slaps Alto-) Besides, Alto is like a girl and Sheryl a man... Ranka needs someone who's moreeeeeeeeeeee cooler (Brera) than the ugly hime (Alto). By the way, I'm a Ranka x Brera fan, I don't care if there siblings; Brera is a cyborg thus making them not really related.
i just ended watching this (with all the movies) and o. my. god.
i thought, fromt the very beginning, that alto and would end up with ranka because they had a sweet connection in the first episode and it felt like love at first sight. but i guess i was wrong. in the very ending alto says he can't return ranka's feelings and is about to say i love you to sheryl but he goes into a fold with a vajra. (sadly.) im not sure why he picked sheryl because (to me) she was a bossy, bitchy, arrogant girl.
AH fuck really? I watched the anime to see ranka end up with Alto and turns out he went with Sheryl? What a fucken waste of my time. It's just Ranka met Alto first, so I thought they would have something goin on. Turns out I was fucken dead wrong. This anime totally fucked me in the head.
@KalleyHatake No, if you pay attention, Alto and Sheryl met first. They crossed paths before Alto met Ranka (Sheryl was all dismissive on them). Watch the Yack Deculture (final) version of episode 1.
@KalleyHatake Just as clarification, there are three versions of episode 1. The premiere/screeing version (Deculture), the tv series, and the final Yack Deculture version (which is a mix of both). In one version shows Alto meeting Ranka first and the other meeting Sheryl first. The final version (in DVD) goes with Sheryl and Alto meeting before. It also portrays Sheryl differently (one contains her bitchiness only, the other her cuter side only, the final one goes full tsun and dere).
@Kari426 Sheryl begins to wake up in the credits, and then you can hear her sing a duet with Ranka to cheering fans. Also, how does Alto end up with Ranka when he confessed to Sheryl? Also, Ranka's words in the end, to me, how she gets over being rejected, and mentions how "when Alto returns, Sheryl will wake up." Her words are a big hint to something else.
@Kari426 No, he rejected Ranka... and confessed his love for Sheryl....... (you can hear "I lo-" before he's folded out). Sheryl awoke.
Search: karice Kawamori interview, there's a 'reveal mysteries' one. Pretty explicit, Ranka got over the rejection and wished them the best, Sheryl&Alto are in love.
I'm a tad disappointed... But there's nothing I can do about it~ (: Seems that ranka ended up with alto in the anime but Sheryl with him in the movie. I'll take the movie~ not that I hate sheryl, I just prefer ranka :3
what ev....Sherryl is a bitch and ranka loves him...but he do not deserve ranka...so bitch+idiot makes the perfect couple..Ranka need someone better than that asshole of Alto...
RANKA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor Ranka!... Alto needs to learn that Ranka loves him! >:O Stupid Sheryl leave Alto and Ranka alone!!!! Learn how to do stuff youre own way stupid Sheryl!!!!! :D <3 RANKA <3 BTW... Who is the guy in episode 22? That was with Ranka in the space ship thingy???
@Sandra014FBI What makes Sheryl a bitch? Ranka was a child and not fit for a relationship yet. Everything was always about HER, HER, HER. She needs to learn to be her own person first.
Ranka fan here: Alto explicitly turned down Ranka and was in middle of saying "Aishiteru" (I love you) to Sheryl as he was cut off. Material like Sheryl Visual Collection illustrations portray Alto and Sheryl reuniting, wedding etc. Gosh, some need to stop living in blatant denial. Poor, poor Ranka was doomed from the start and she ending up as the girl with unrequited love was clear from the start. That's how it goes. Personally I'm utterly sick of older tsunderes winning but it can't be helped
@inucakes Well, if you honestly wanna be spoiled....he indeed chose Sheryl in the second movie while in the series left the triangle to milk fans with the two movies--but, it has always implied that Alto chose Sheryl in the series, backed up with supplementary materials. You should watch the series before the movies. The first movie is already out with subs but the second is still to be released in BD/DVD this October. :)
@inucakes He rejects Ranka's confession in the 2nd movie. Then in the end is in the middle of confessing to Sheryl when something big happens to interrupt him in the middle of it.
@FunnyDj100 It hasn't been released on DVD or Blu-Ray yet. I believe October or November is when it comes out. After that, expect 2 weeks to a month for it to end up online and subbed.
Actually he ended up with ranka in the anime (although he never officially told her) And the movie was technically a different story from the anime which is what I consider as canon before movies. And in the movie he ended up with sheryl, so it kinda depends on the viewer in what actually happens and who he ends up with. They're like different stories, so everyone ends up happy :)
@oneliltiger Alto ended up with Ranka, but didn't tell her, wtf? Where did you get that from, apart from the fact it doesn't even make sense, lol. Alto didn't end up with anyone and Ranka told Sheryl she wasn't going to lose, be it in love or song - it was besically a challenge that Sheryl accepted. Ranka felt inferior to Sheryl, that's why she was the one challenging her in the first place. And Alto slept with Sheryl before. The light novels shed a light into it.
@oneliltiger The series and the movies might have slightly different stories, but the characters and their feelings remain mostly the same (apart from Ranka who was slightly changed in order to make her, you know, more likeable). The series as well as the movies are equally canon because they are made by the creators, simple as that. I guess if it weren't offical that Alto/Sheryl is canon, you'd still be in denial, though imo, it was obvious that Alto saw more of a woman in Sheryl than the Loli.
@xXxValfarisxXx the settei for all characters were revised to differing extents - Ranka was biography/personalitywise the one changed the least. She gets better development in films because she isn't screwed over by the plot, not because they changed her basic personality which is the same. i always liked both girls in series so R was likeable for me from start. First film actually made Sheryl more likeable IMO, but really, only main char. who I foud significantly more likeable in films was Alto
@ShinRanka Ranka was changed the least, says who? You do. But majority actually agrees on the opposite: In the movie she was established as Alto's friend already, she wasn't by far as jealous and self-centered as in the series. In how far was Alto changed? He was just as protective of Ranka as before, Sheryl underwent a pretty similar development as in the series. In fact, there is hardly any development that Ranka undergoes in the films because they don't focus on her.
@xXxValfarisxXx Valfaris, have you seen the film? I have. Four times in Japan. To say Ranka doesn't "undergo any development" is completely absurd and simply WRONG. By Sayonara's final scene she has undergone exemplary character development and has really grown up to beautiful young woman. Ranka being already Alto's friend was only major change (done for time constraints) in comparison to Sheryl whose backstory had some major revisions as first film already indicates in its title.
@ShinRanka Which film? The first one? Yes, I have. I, personally, didn't see any drastic or all that obvious development in her character in it. What development did she undergo, then? Enlight me, please. In how far did she change? Your explanation of her so-called "development" sounds very blurry to me. So please, go ahead and list me some actual changes instead of that wishy-washy "She has really grown up to beautiful young woman" thing.
@xXxValfarisxXx Calling Ranka "jealous and self-centered" is about as sensible as the "Sheryl is selfish bitchy slut" card. If that's how you want to have it fine by me *roll eyes* Ranka is different in the Sayonara in particular but this is question of char. dev. - not personality revisions unlike with eg. DYRL Minmay. With Alto changes are subtle but they do exist. Kawamori called tv Alto "realistic person" and film Alto more "idealized" version of him. I wouldn't go so far but he has a point.
@ShinRanka Then I sound insensible to you, it's just the way I think about her, at least in the series. I liked her in the very beginning, she was my top favorite, but then it went downwards the further the series progressed. If you don't like my way of thinking about her, fine. Deal with it. I'm not going to say anything about Minmay because I don't know the original Macross series, I really wonder why you are bringing up that, anyway. What has that to do with MF in the first place?
@xXxValfarisxXx And as for your opinion on series Ranka yes, I think it's unreasonable but I have no intention to debate about it. I've seen that path walked down already too many times so...I don't really care anymore. I think film version of MF is better anyway so why would I spend energy defending lesser version of same character in lesser version of the same storyline when I have superior take on both ot love? I have very little will to do so, esp. within constraints of youtube comboxes :P
@ShinRanka Well, it's good that you don't care, I don't have any beef with you either over that kind of things. Ranka's character in the series is just not my cup of tea, that doesn't make my way of thinking "unreasonable" in the least, though. You could say that if it were about mere facts, but as it's a matter of personal opinions, I'd say this debate whether my way of thinking is unreasonable or not is moot. It just shows that you don't respect my opinion, but I accept that, lol.
@ShinRanka Oh yeah, I heard many Ranka fans saying this. Doesn't change anything about the fact that both is canon, now it's the question which "version" of which character you prefer or which "version" has more weight. But I think fans will never agree on this one, so why even debate? You have the superior take on what? Love? Sorry, I just didn't get that.
@xXxValfarisxXx Ahh, I thought discussion what about Sayonara because of all the triangle talk...I mean, that is where it gets resolved. Well, "unreasonable" in the sense that I think it's objective fact that Ranka isn't in series like you described her - just like it's objective fact Sheryl isn't a "selfish slut" like some lambast her. I don't mind you liking or not liking Ranka per se but I think your accusations don't have much just basis. Hence "unreasonable"...but I'm not here to convert :P
@ShinRanka Naw, I have to disagree with that too because there are as many ways to see things as there are people in the world, so I don't think that there is a "right" or "wrong" when it comes to this, nor do I think that it's objective because the mere fact that I don't share your opinion shows that there is no thing such as "objectivity" here, unless you say you don't respect my way of thinking and exclude it from objectiveness. So, what is "objective"? What do you link that with?
@xXxValfarisxXx Well, objective in the sense that we can prove or disprove a claim like "Sheryl was at Zentraedi Mall in episode 5". She was there and to claim otherwise is mistaken. There's difference between work itself and viewer impressions of it and in this case I think your impression on Ranka's character is somewhat skewered. Of course I would need arguments and examples to prove my point, but since I don't have time for that now I think we should just agree to disagree here.
@ShinRanka The key difference between those two matters is that one is about personal opinions: "Sheryl is a *insert insult here*" is a matter of opinion, so it can't be disproven as opinions in general can't. Unlike the example you just gave can be proven/ disproven because it is about facts, not opinions. Of course, there is always something like "general opinion" or "common sense", that doesn't make other opinions "wrong", though.
@ShinRanka Basically, it means that although you think I have a skewered opinion about her, you can't prove that it is skewered because then again, there are people who disagree would disagree with you.
@xXxValfarisxXx disagreement about something is not a proof for lack of truth but anyway, if we agree on definition of eg. "slut" we can cross-check Sheryl's behaviour and personality as it is revealed in the work to see if it fits said definition. Of course if the use of word slut is entirely arbitrary here and can mean pretty much anything of course there won't be truth about the matter. Anyway, this really has nothing to do with Macross anymore per se so I think we shold drop this tangent.
@ShinRanka That's what I'm saying. Basically means: "Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean I am wrong." It's not only agreeing on the term, but also the actions you define as "slutty", for instance. Trying to find a common thread is a nice idea, but it's as well pointless as there are too many things you'd have to cover and people might disagree with you on to start a debate on this basis.
@xXxValfarisxXx Of course the opposite that my impression has been skewered is possible too but again, that would need arguments and examples from you to the end that Ranka was "jealous and self-centered character". But as said, I'm not interested in such indepth debate for now so I think we should just agree to disagree about this :)
As for canon question, of course film and series are on equal footing. I just prefer film version, that's all.
@ShinRanka Are you implying that I lack material which I think shows that Ranka is self-centered and jealous? Explaining things and giving examples might make your point of view more understandable to others and thus, relevant, of course. I fully agree with you on this. But that has nothing to do with proving facts as explaining and picking examples is a subjective matter again.
@xXxValfarisxXx To the point they could be considered major character flaws, yes! I can already tell you'd use the epic fail of ep 20 as one of your arguments :P But as I've said before I have zero interest in going through this debate here so you shouldn't start digging up reasons for your stance because I'm not going to bother argue against them. so I'm not challenging your opinions. This is why I said we should "agree to disagree" for now :)
@ShinRanka That's the "general opinion" thing again: Just because ep. 20 might have been an epic fail in the eyes of many fans, there are enough people who disagree with that again. So we've backpedaled to square one again and what did we learn? Nothing, exactly. I also think we're kinda talking past each other here, though.
@xXxValfarisxXx ...well I just said the same thing. Hence we should drop this whole convo as it's pretty much spam as fars the video/topic of discussion "Will Alto end up with Sheryl or Ranka" is considered -_____-
As for this whole subjective/objective deal, I'm dropping it. Looks like it's just miscommunication instead of any real disagreement. So yeah, forget the whole episode.
@xXxValfarisxXx I've actually discussed about that deal with people who hated Ranka in the past. Usually they've mellowed down in their stances after our discussion, so I'm fairly confident in my opinion - but I'm not interested in that now, esp. since youtube comboxes don't have enough space for indepth discussion. I respect your opinion even if I find it needlessly harsh... What are you referring to with "I heard many Ranka fans say this" though? I'm not sure.
@ShinRanka I'm not saying that there weren't any changes made in Sheryl's and Alto's character and development, they weren't just as blatant and obvious as in Ranka's case. What are you trying to prove by bringing this up?
@xXxValfarisxXx oh and please note I said Ranka was changed less in terms of backstory/personality. Not that she was changed the least because she did get the biggest changes - but these are mostly due to how plot was written. In his comment at Ranka Visual Collection Kawamori expressed remorse and pity for how Ranka was "put in vice use by Mishima" and was turned into "tool for evil". He couldn't get over that so in film version he tried to let Ranka do more things according to her own will.
@ShinRanka Doesn't change a thing of what I think. And the majority of fans, for that matter. Yes, the plot was written completely different, I agree with that. But the fact remains that her character was changed a lot. Reasons are irrelevant when we talk about the results - which are Ranka being changed in the movie, more than Alto or Sheryl. You're contraditcing that what you said before: "Ranka was biography/personalitywise the one changed the least." So here you go. What is it now?
@xXxValfarisxXx I was talking about Sayonara no Tsubasa. What I ment is that the personality & background Ranka starts with in Utahime is pretty much the same as in tv series, excl. friendship with Alto and that she's slightly more mature. So it's same personality, same backstory up to that point. I used Minmay (1st Ranka) as counterpoint because even her personality was different in DYRL - with Ranka it's "only" question of how her personality is developed and shaped by the events of the films.
@ShinRanka I must've missed something cause I didn't watch the second one. I thought you were talking about the first one, but as far as the second one goes, I won't judge that because I can't. Of course they all keep their personalities, just with slight changes. The changes on Ranka were simply the biggest and most apparent ones, that's what we were debating about all the time. But we're running around in circles. I've heard lots about Minmay, but I can't say anything about that either.
@xXxValfarisxXx So really, you've only seen half of the story so far. I don't want to spoil anything but there are events in Sheryl's and Alto's backstories that never took place in series timeline and with Sheryl one of her key relationships takes entirely new, surprising character. It's also hinted (related to above) that Alto's reason for getting interested in sky is different too - in series it was his mom's influence. Not necessarily the case in films.
The scriptwriter already said Alto had feelings for Sheryl not Ranka.
But he was too dense to declare his feelings (he was trying to confess in EPISODE 24 according to him), but was too busy with his beloved sky (his true love).
Of course fandumb ignored this, ignored that the younger girl always loses in Macross triangles, ignored the fact how they were pushing Sheryl/Alto in official art.
Movie was supposed to make the OFFICIAL 100% CLEAR ROMANTIC RESOLUTION.
@thethessaliah Yes, right? I always thought that Alto wanted to confess to Sheryl in ep. 24 too, but so many fans denied that but couldn't come up with a proper explanation for the situation. It doesn't even take indepth analysis or all that much thinking in order to see whom the guy's heart belongs to, it's a tradition, simple as that. If you ignore this, then you are... ignoring the purpose of Macross, I guess. *shrugs*
@xXxValfarisxXx -.- Ranka/Alto would have never had a sporting chance in Macross. Kawamori sounded REALLY tired and annoyed when people take all the "love/affection" stuff in Frontier as romantic. It doesn't mean it demeans Ranka. She's very important to them but as friend and little sister (Minmay and Mao rolled up into one).
@thethessaliah That's what I was wondering, too, actually: Why do some people always take it as romantic when people talk about love and affection? I mean, you love your friends and have affection for family members as well. But oh wait, Alto looked at Ranka, that must be true love! OTP!!! Of course Ranka has always been playing a very important role in Alto's life, just in a different aspect than Sheryl. But no, it always has to be romantic in order for some hardcore fans to be happy.
@thethessaliah The movie takes on a different story, the way that he already knew Ranka, whereas in the anime he met them both at the same time. He was rejecting Sheryl and she was aware of it and she didn't want him to tell her his feelings cause she wouldn't be able to sing. He didn't love Sheryl as much. (In the anime)
Regardless, the movie tried to rewrite the events of the original plot and thus makes it almost as another story. Sheryl wins in movie, Ranka in anime. I'll take the anime.
The scriptwriter *said* Alto has feelings for Sheryl in the TV series, he was *confessing* to her. Do you even read the TV series Official Fan Book. He laughed and mocked the fans wanted a clear confession of a doofus like Alto who was struggling for his love for Sheryl and the sky.
@thethessaliah I do not read official fan books, cause I have a life. But the whole story of the movie was pretty different from the anime. The way the interactions played out was way different from the show, almost like one of those animes that does another "world" arc. The anime was heavily canon with Ranka whereas the Movie was more Sheryl. They were entirely different endings.
@oneliltiger Then if you have no idea what is the deal is.
The anime shows Alto and Sheryl making love and being lovers. While Ranka's love being idealized and unable to be found in the 'real world' (as per her description of her love in her data). In episode 24, Alto was confessing to Sheryl who stopped him. So says the guy who wrote the scene.
This is Macross, who honestly thinks the younger girl compared to all the triangle losers would win? *eye roll* It's always the older tsundere.
@thethessaliah There was no love making in the series XD At least I never saw any indication, but okay sure. If the guy writing the scene was trying to convey that idea, he epically failed. It appeared that he was rejecting Sheryl because she was all emo and "No don't tell me, I already know. And if you say it, I won't be able to sing." If it were good news, she probably would still be able to sing.
@oneliltiger Uh.. Do you know what's a discretion sexy shot is? There's even them cuddling (with Sheryl almost naked in the presentation of the episode in the official guide: "seduction/wooing complete!" as words. Alto initiated a kiss and made love to her.
No....... Sheryl was emo because she thought she was GOING TO DIE before he returned. Unlike Anime Ranka, she has bigger concerns than a "broken heart". She didn't want to hear his answer because if she did, she would fear she would lose
@oneliltiger Her resolve to sing... which was killing her more quickly. She was abandoning her love for Alto to save the fleet, even if she knew he loved her back. The scriptwriter already said Alto loved the sky, but as far as his romantic feelings go, he was trying to confess his love for Sheryl in episode 24.
Once the battle is won and she's cured, she's the one who waits for him without doubts or insecurity unlike Ranka, the loser who has to 'challenge' to save face.
@oneliltiger Awww....it's so cute how you try to deny and make up bullshit stories to satisfy your Alto/Ranka ship....as with other Alto/Ranka ships. Honestly, you guys provide good entertainment.
@oneliltiger Perhaps you missed episode 22 when they move into kiss, and the camera pans up away from the couple. That is VERY typical of the Japanese, indicating sex is about to occur, but from a romantic, sometimes tragic time. As someone who is my age, I'm surprised you are so badly in denial about the things you are shown.
@JustinStrife Nothing was shown, it's not denial, it's me being skeptical of things that really were not given indication of happening. Like if I saw some shirt tugging in that scene I would believe you. But considering they were only making-out, it's hard to say that "it" happened. And I don't know why people bring manga into stuff like this because the anime is usually different from the manga in most shows anyway.
@oneliltiger Not the manga: light novels, OFFICIAL TV series guide (with them in the futon together, Sheryl's like half naked and Alto's embracing her, with the spicy text). The commentary track of the episode.
All indicates they did it. Or at least went far past the second base.
@oneliltiger The entire point of the movies was to officially and unambiguously have Alto confess. It's called the "End of the triangle" for a freakin' reason.
Some Ranka/Alto shippers are still in denial. Even after they came out and said Alto loved Sheryl long before the movies. Even if it's Macross and Sheryl is constructed like the Typical Winner Girl and Ranka as Typical Loser Girl. Even if Sheryl cosplays Misa and Ranka Minmay to be "subtle" in art.
@oneliltiger Actually, you are showing to have absolutely zero knowledge about the macross story at all. Do You Remember Love, was a movie adaption of the original series, set similarly to the newest movies with Macross Frontier. Many, many scenes were changed, and yet the relationships still ended the same. You need to educate yourself on all that is Macross, before you spout to know ANYTHING about these series' and what goes on in them.
@raptorhunter104 And that my friend, is how to end a shipping war. :) Alternate plot lines FTW.
( Plus Ranka had like 24 episodes with Alto, as a shipper i am pleased with their relationship, which seems longer than a one-hour movie :3. The show had a lot more Sheryl throwing herself at Alto than him actually returning much other than blushing)
@snuberr Trolls on the internet are super fun. Especially when majority of them are only on the internet for porn and watching skank girls throw themselves on people. Please try to remember what is real and what is fantasy. :)
Check out "DidTheyOrDidn'tThey on TVTrope's website. They even have a small part of that section that mentions Alto and Sheryl. And the manga is a far better source of information for how the couples ended up, than some poor Ranka fan who can't accept the truth.
spoiler spoiler! Sheryl ends up pretty dead and is going to die soon if she gets worst since she is in a coma. Ranka is fine so if Alto comes back ranka is his only choice as sheryl could die. so yeah i is Ranka and Alto if they make an OVA
@karenxlunaxzakuro@karenxlunaxzakuro Uhhh...where did you get that information? From delusions? Sheryl wakes up in the end, Kawamori said so himself in an interview. Plus a page from the Sheryl Visual collection and the Sheryl manga hints that they (Alto and Sheryl) will reunite. So, stop spreading bullshit.
@karenxlunaxzakuro I think I have a general idea of who that sour-graping stupid reviewer is. Next time you should look at more reliable sources to spoilers, and be careful to spread unverified (and not to mention, wishful) reviews, else you'll sound like that stupid reviewer.
@karenxlunaxzakuro I knew someone would be sourgraping here. :P Alto rejected Ranka because he loves Sheryl, and even though it's debatable whether these two will reunite or not, they got their offical canon ending... Why would he go back to Ranka if he loves Sheryl and rejected her in the first place. So stop making up endings that don't even make sense. Alto/Sheryl = Canon. Face it.
And no, they won't make an OVA. Macross F officially ended with the second movie. Sorry for you.
@qaghou It has already been confirmed, in magazines, the official Sayonara no Tsubasa book, Sheryl manga, and etc. If you still don't believe, then wait for the subbed version of the movie to come out (which will take a while as the DVD/BD isn't even out yet.)
@rolac1995 It just came out in the theaters in Japan (premiered last Feb), the DVD/BluRay is not available yet. Detailed spoilers, screencaps and the official book are out. As well a commemorative wedding poster (Alto+Sheryl) in Macross Ace.
@YingofDarkness Well, he doesn't die. He goes MIA... which..... means he'll remain MIA like Shin, Sara, Minmay, Hikaru and Misa did (traditional!). Depending what Kawamori will give or take for the main continuity.
@thethessaliah The TV series happy ending was more Yoshino's idea, Kawamori was already "joking" about killing off Alto in the commentary and maybe episode 24 was mean to be his end, WHO KNOWS. XD The guy simply decides to put them out of commission so fans wouldn't bother him to write stories about them again.
@thethessaliah LOL could you imagine if that was why he actually did it? "I'm tired of all of these stories! *kills off Alto*". I don't think episode 24 was going to be his end because I wouldn't understand how episode 25 would then work. Somebody needed to save Ranka and tell Sheryl to put it together to sing (she was tired and it was after Alto told her that she perked up and the Medley started is what I'm referring to here). Well to quote a commercial "The world will never know"
@YingofDarkness LOL He jokingly insinuated he'll be more decisive to put an end to his life.
Maybe his spirit would, through the earring. Dunno, even with all the fancy 'triangler', in the end. Us, Sheryl/Ranka shippers got the best end. TV series ended with them *embracing* while Alto was off away. And most of the official after movie (and pre movie) material has Sheryl/Ranka LOL.
I'll gather Sheryl would save Ranka (after all, her SONG also woke her) and Ranka would save Sheryl. Alto was
@thethessaliah A spirit can't do much though. Regardless without Alto the ending would have been anticlimatic imo. I can't see it working and wasn't the final episode created way before episode 24?
Ranka can't get out of Galaxy by herself and Sheryl can't pilot (look what she did to Micheal's VF in ep 14), I don't think thats the case with Alto though. He felt there was no choice, but he said if it came to that he would. I think done what he did in ep 24 regardless as a last ditch effort
@YingofDarkness Alto could have died *after* the explosion (being very injured). A non brainwashedBrera could have made the rescue, Alto could have died after he confessed to Sheryl once the battle was about to end (once Ranka was safe). Or he could have disappeared. God knows Kawamori DOES have a investment in doing that XD
Anyway, apparently, based on what Kawamori said. The second movie is supposed to be the finale of Frontier not the tv series.
@thethessaliah Or confessed to Ranka since I still have my spin on the way the series and movie worked and can see how the movie actually played on AruRan favor for the series BUT I don't want to get into that because we are having a very nice conversation right now and I don't want to ruin it :D. Let's just say you have your opinion and I have mine (please?).
I can see what you mean so okay he could have killed Alto off, but I'm glad he didn't. I'm a sucker for happy endings I'm afraid xD
@YingofDarkness I think Ranka never had a chance.... I think we covered that? Unless she's an older tsundere, she was fated to lose? I mean I ship Sheryl/Ranka, but I thought Sheryl/Alto was a given since the *designs* came out. XD
Besides the tv series was written by Yoshino, who said Alto loved Sheryl?
fff... I'll just combine tv series/movie... Can't say I prefer the tv series since I rather have Alto MIA than Michel KIA XD
Plus Ranka's arc seems 1000x better in the movies already.
@thethessaliah Again different opinions (Let me be in denial I'll get over it eventually but for now be nice xD). I can't do that though. The second movie seems to be an Abridged version of MF with how many things have changed XD. It's like its own separate universe so I can't combine them.
@thethessaliah No food, water, from the filmstrips I've seen no helmet in space where a human being can't survive for more then some seconds, and an explosion doesn't signify that he died? I think it would be pretty damned hard to survive those circumstances let alone impossible. With Minmay, Misa, and Hikaru they were in the Megaroad so I can consider that going MIA, but I do think that Shin and Sara died to because of the circumstances
@YingofDarkness The fact they LOST contact with the Megaroad could mean they crash it or it blow up, but it doesn't. Likewise the Bird Human. It's all assumed the MIA people get lost SOMEWHERE IN THE GALAXY.
You'll think the Vajra Queen WOULD know better. This was supposed to be an ending like Macross Zero. If Alto were dead, Kawamori's message of "hope" he wanted to convey would be wasted.
@thethessaliah With Alto Alive doesn't mean he'll return... I don't believe ANYONE will return after they get MIA. They are all hanging around in the Macross planet limbo.
@thethessaliah You know what I want next Macross? Two guys fighting over a girl but not in the way they did Macross 7 (which shouldn't count because I don't think Basara ever gave a damn). Like a serious one with a cool enemy, explosions, awesome character that will most likely die later, and another Bobby *_*.
Sheryl is the kind of character I HATE to seen in anime/manga. She's extremely demanding and always causes conflict. Though, Ranka is unrealistically perfect (which also bothers me), she is much more tolerable and adorable in a way. The entire story was a tease in getting my hopes up, only to knock them down. A complete waste of my time.
Druidly 3 weeks ago
F**k Sheryl I live in a alternate universe where Ranka and Alto end up together ^.^ *sigh* let me keep on dreaming.... :'(
12MonkeyPurple 1 month ago
So glad he picked Sheryl. If the Ranka, the very definition of a green moe blob got the guy.. -sigh- I like Sheryl's flaws over Ranka's false perfection.
0MGARSH 1 month ago
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Some people are really in DENIAL, I have seen alot of stupid comments online and really it's just.....denial. Alto is in love with Sheryl and sheryl is in love with Alto, While Ranka is in love with Alto while Alto is not in love with her. I think that's pretty easy to undertand. Ranka's love was completly one sided. Not to mention the visual colletion that shows sheryl & Alto's being together :D
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Smallville9ck 1 month ago
I'm glad Alto picked Sheryl (No offense to Alto/Ranka fans) because, like Alto was a huge jerk to Ranka.(-bitch slaps Alto-) Besides, Alto is like a girl and Sheryl a man... Ranka needs someone who's moreeeeeeeeeeee cooler (Brera) than the ugly hime (Alto). By the way, I'm a Ranka x Brera fan, I don't care if there siblings; Brera is a cyborg thus making them not really related.
YukiTheOnigiriLeek 2 months ago
i just ended watching this (with all the movies) and o. my. god.
i thought, fromt the very beginning, that alto and would end up with ranka because they had a sweet connection in the first episode and it felt like love at first sight. but i guess i was wrong. in the very ending alto says he can't return ranka's feelings and is about to say i love you to sheryl but he goes into a fold with a vajra. (sadly.) im not sure why he picked sheryl because (to me) she was a bossy, bitchy, arrogant girl.
SuperOoCherryoO 2 months ago
I am so happy that he chose Sheryl <3
Both girls can do better, though.
Shinjiheart 3 months ago
@Shinjiheart What's that supposed to mean?
MasterSprintersan 2 months ago
AH fuck really? I watched the anime to see ranka end up with Alto and turns out he went with Sheryl? What a fucken waste of my time. It's just Ranka met Alto first, so I thought they would have something goin on. Turns out I was fucken dead wrong. This anime totally fucked me in the head.
KalleyHatake 3 months ago 4
@KalleyHatake
Um, Sheryl met Alto first...
moonlighcat135 3 months ago
@KalleyHatake No, if you pay attention, Alto and Sheryl met first. They crossed paths before Alto met Ranka (Sheryl was all dismissive on them). Watch the Yack Deculture (final) version of episode 1.
thethessaliah 3 months ago
@KalleyHatake Just as clarification, there are three versions of episode 1. The premiere/screeing version (Deculture), the tv series, and the final Yack Deculture version (which is a mix of both). In one version shows Alto meeting Ranka first and the other meeting Sheryl first. The final version (in DVD) goes with Sheryl and Alto meeting before. It also portrays Sheryl differently (one contains her bitchiness only, the other her cuter side only, the final one goes full tsun and dere).
thethessaliah 3 months ago
@thethessaliah lolz this anime is kind of confusion, huh?
SuperOoCherryoO 2 months ago
Then again I saw it without subs, so I may be mistaken.
Kari426 3 months ago
So I just finished watching Marcross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa, and to me it kinda looked like Alto chose Ranka in my opinion. : /
Cause at the end, Alto's missing, Ranka's well.....Ranka lol, and Sheryl is in an coma.
Kari426 3 months ago
@Kari426 Sheryl begins to wake up in the credits, and then you can hear her sing a duet with Ranka to cheering fans. Also, how does Alto end up with Ranka when he confessed to Sheryl? Also, Ranka's words in the end, to me, how she gets over being rejected, and mentions how "when Alto returns, Sheryl will wake up." Her words are a big hint to something else.
snuberr 3 months ago
@snuberr *shows how she
snuberr 3 months ago
@Kari426 No, he rejected Ranka... and confessed his love for Sheryl....... (you can hear "I lo-" before he's folded out). Sheryl awoke.
Search: karice Kawamori interview, there's a 'reveal mysteries' one. Pretty explicit, Ranka got over the rejection and wished them the best, Sheryl&Alto are in love.
thethessaliah 3 months ago 2
So... Alto fell in love with that stank slut Sheryl instead of the cute and humble Ranka Lee? Wow... way to go, Alto you idiot, way to go.
MasterSprintersan 3 months ago
@MasterSprintersan No, he fell in love with the beautiful and strong Sheryl Nome, instead of the cute and kind Ranka.
Ranka was just not girlfriend material for him, just friend one.
thethessaliah 3 months ago
@thethessaliah Not to be rude, but I hate Sheryl. I don't think she's beautiful or strong. Sure, she's not ugly... I just don't like her.
MasterSprintersan 3 months ago
@MasterSprintersan I was being polite to not call out your misogynistic slutshaming.
thethessaliah 3 months ago
@thethessaliah Uh, okay.
MasterSprintersan 3 months ago
I'm a tad disappointed... But there's nothing I can do about it~ (: Seems that ranka ended up with alto in the anime but Sheryl with him in the movie. I'll take the movie~ not that I hate sheryl, I just prefer ranka :3
x33Trinity 4 months ago
@x33Trinity LOL, Ranka did not end up with Alto in the series. The scriptwriter outright said that Sheryl was the one Alto loved.
snuberr 4 months ago
@snuberr But Alto preferred the sky over any girl. ;P
I think the movies resolve who would Alto choose: Sheryl vs the sky.
thethessaliah 4 months ago
what ev....Sherryl is a bitch and ranka loves him...but he do not deserve ranka...so bitch+idiot makes the perfect couple..Ranka need someone better than that asshole of Alto...
KaLlEnSaYuUYuLaKuRaN 4 months ago
@KaLlEnSaYuUYuLaKuRaN Sour grapes are sour.
snuberr 4 months ago
Please let it be Sheryl
if its Ranka then I'll buy it's blu-ray and vomit on it then dry it in the sun and use that as a condom to **** Megumi Nakajima in the ***
UchihaFaer1 4 months ago
@UchihaFaer1 It's Sheryl. Watch the movie Sayonara no Tsubasa, you'll LOVE the end.
Tsunamisama 3 months ago
RANKA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor Ranka!... Alto needs to learn that Ranka loves him! >:O Stupid Sheryl leave Alto and Ranka alone!!!! Learn how to do stuff youre own way stupid Sheryl!!!!! :D <3 RANKA <3 BTW... Who is the guy in episode 22? That was with Ranka in the space ship thingy???
nemyay 4 months ago
@nemyay Alto knows Ranka loves him. But he loves Sheryl. That's Brera.
thethessaliah 4 months ago
I like ranka but i dont minddd if Alto picked Sheryl becauseee Ranka will find a HOOOOOOOT NEW GUY mwahahahahaha
GerardWayIshSmexi 6 months ago
@GerardWayIshSmexi I totally agree with you XD kyaa i wonder who that guy will be hehehe :D
animefan001 5 months ago
DIE SHERYL!!! Get violated
Sandra014FBI 6 months ago
@Sandra014FBI Preteen troll. :p
snuberr 6 months ago
Sheryl is a BITCH!!!!!!!!! and he is an idiot for not seeing it >_< poor Renka..I love her xD
Sandra014FBI 7 months ago
@Sandra014FBI LOL, another butthurt Ranka fan. Keep it comin', you entertain us sane folks here. :)
snuberr 6 months ago
@Sandra014FBI What makes Sheryl a bitch? Ranka was a child and not fit for a relationship yet. Everything was always about HER, HER, HER. She needs to learn to be her own person first.
JustinStrife 5 months ago
Ranka fan here: Alto explicitly turned down Ranka and was in middle of saying "Aishiteru" (I love you) to Sheryl as he was cut off. Material like Sheryl Visual Collection illustrations portray Alto and Sheryl reuniting, wedding etc. Gosh, some need to stop living in blatant denial. Poor, poor Ranka was doomed from the start and she ending up as the girl with unrequited love was clear from the start. That's how it goes. Personally I'm utterly sick of older tsunderes winning but it can't be helped
ShinRanka 7 months ago 22
@ShinRanka I prefer Ranka too but lets just say
Alto is such a girl! Sherly is such a man! Which is prob why they were paired up.
Ranka deserves a more manly, cool character like Berra (but not Berra or else that'd be incest..and he died anyways..)
If there is any potential continuation, let it be about Ranka and a new character ;] <--- This was my conclusion to the disappointment in the movie
MaddieYchama 4 months ago
Bleh, idk who he ends up with they're both awesomeeeeeee :)
GerardWayIshSmexi 8 months ago
@GerardWayIshSmexi The 2nd movie reveals who he loves.
JustinStrife 7 months ago
Example of an extreme Rankanist: (bleach-od. livejourna l.com /15601 .html) Just delete spaces.
snuberr 8 months ago
COME ON SHERYL FANS!!! BURN DOWN RANKAAAA!
Artur2045 8 months ago
@Artur2045 No need. She can be Sheryl's second wife.
thethessaliah 8 months ago
@Artur2045 Ranka fans do enough of a good job of burning Ranka down. We don't need to do that.
JustinStrife 7 months ago
Alto/Ranka shippers....are scary....but funny. Very fucking hilarious.
snuberr 8 months ago
lol, I'm not surprised he chooses Sheryl. It was just SO obvious from the beginning. :P
BTW, loving the sour-graping Wankians. ;)
snuberr 8 months ago
@snuberr Do you mind explaning to me how he ended up with Sheryl?
I was considering starting the series.. But I'd rather know who he ends up with..
Is it confirmed he choose Sheryl..Or implied? And what happends to Ranka?
I'm sorry , I just wanted to know where this information came from :O!
inucakes 7 months ago
@inucakes Well, if you honestly wanna be spoiled....he indeed chose Sheryl in the second movie while in the series left the triangle to milk fans with the two movies--but, it has always implied that Alto chose Sheryl in the series, backed up with supplementary materials. You should watch the series before the movies. The first movie is already out with subs but the second is still to be released in BD/DVD this October. :)
snuberr 7 months ago
@snuberr really ! wait there's a first movie ?? what's the difference between the first and the series >< ??
cyrus4849 7 months ago
@inucakes *in the series, they left the triangle hanging to milk fans with the two movies--but, it was always implied...
snuberr 7 months ago
@inucakes He rejects Ranka's confession in the 2nd movie. Then in the end is in the middle of confessing to Sheryl when something big happens to interrupt him in the middle of it.
JustinStrife 7 months ago
@JustinStrife where can i find the movie 2 ? D: i really want to see him but i dont find him on internet T___T please help me D:
FunnyDj100 5 months ago
@FunnyDj100 It hasn't been released on DVD or Blu-Ray yet. I believe October or November is when it comes out. After that, expect 2 weeks to a month for it to end up online and subbed.
JustinStrife 5 months ago
i think ranka and alto is more of a bro and sis type o-o
UlquiorraLegacy 8 months ago
Actually he ended up with ranka in the anime (although he never officially told her) And the movie was technically a different story from the anime which is what I consider as canon before movies. And in the movie he ended up with sheryl, so it kinda depends on the viewer in what actually happens and who he ends up with. They're like different stories, so everyone ends up happy :)
oneliltiger 9 months ago
@oneliltiger Alto ended up with Ranka, but didn't tell her, wtf? Where did you get that from, apart from the fact it doesn't even make sense, lol. Alto didn't end up with anyone and Ranka told Sheryl she wasn't going to lose, be it in love or song - it was besically a challenge that Sheryl accepted. Ranka felt inferior to Sheryl, that's why she was the one challenging her in the first place. And Alto slept with Sheryl before. The light novels shed a light into it.
xXxValfarisxXx 9 months ago
@oneliltiger The series and the movies might have slightly different stories, but the characters and their feelings remain mostly the same (apart from Ranka who was slightly changed in order to make her, you know, more likeable). The series as well as the movies are equally canon because they are made by the creators, simple as that. I guess if it weren't offical that Alto/Sheryl is canon, you'd still be in denial, though imo, it was obvious that Alto saw more of a woman in Sheryl than the Loli.
xXxValfarisxXx 9 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx Ranka/Alto fans live in bizarre dimension sometimes.
thethessaliah 9 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx the settei for all characters were revised to differing extents - Ranka was biography/personalitywise the one changed the least. She gets better development in films because she isn't screwed over by the plot, not because they changed her basic personality which is the same. i always liked both girls in series so R was likeable for me from start. First film actually made Sheryl more likeable IMO, but really, only main char. who I foud significantly more likeable in films was Alto
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka Ranka was changed the least, says who? You do. But majority actually agrees on the opposite: In the movie she was established as Alto's friend already, she wasn't by far as jealous and self-centered as in the series. In how far was Alto changed? He was just as protective of Ranka as before, Sheryl underwent a pretty similar development as in the series. In fact, there is hardly any development that Ranka undergoes in the films because they don't focus on her.
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx Valfaris, have you seen the film? I have. Four times in Japan. To say Ranka doesn't "undergo any development" is completely absurd and simply WRONG. By Sayonara's final scene she has undergone exemplary character development and has really grown up to beautiful young woman. Ranka being already Alto's friend was only major change (done for time constraints) in comparison to Sheryl whose backstory had some major revisions as first film already indicates in its title.
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka Which film? The first one? Yes, I have. I, personally, didn't see any drastic or all that obvious development in her character in it. What development did she undergo, then? Enlight me, please. In how far did she change? Your explanation of her so-called "development" sounds very blurry to me. So please, go ahead and list me some actual changes instead of that wishy-washy "She has really grown up to beautiful young woman" thing.
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx Calling Ranka "jealous and self-centered" is about as sensible as the "Sheryl is selfish bitchy slut" card. If that's how you want to have it fine by me *roll eyes* Ranka is different in the Sayonara in particular but this is question of char. dev. - not personality revisions unlike with eg. DYRL Minmay. With Alto changes are subtle but they do exist. Kawamori called tv Alto "realistic person" and film Alto more "idealized" version of him. I wouldn't go so far but he has a point.
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka Then I sound insensible to you, it's just the way I think about her, at least in the series. I liked her in the very beginning, she was my top favorite, but then it went downwards the further the series progressed. If you don't like my way of thinking about her, fine. Deal with it. I'm not going to say anything about Minmay because I don't know the original Macross series, I really wonder why you are bringing up that, anyway. What has that to do with MF in the first place?
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx And as for your opinion on series Ranka yes, I think it's unreasonable but I have no intention to debate about it. I've seen that path walked down already too many times so...I don't really care anymore. I think film version of MF is better anyway so why would I spend energy defending lesser version of same character in lesser version of the same storyline when I have superior take on both ot love? I have very little will to do so, esp. within constraints of youtube comboxes :P
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka Well, it's good that you don't care, I don't have any beef with you either over that kind of things. Ranka's character in the series is just not my cup of tea, that doesn't make my way of thinking "unreasonable" in the least, though. You could say that if it were about mere facts, but as it's a matter of personal opinions, I'd say this debate whether my way of thinking is unreasonable or not is moot. It just shows that you don't respect my opinion, but I accept that, lol.
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@ShinRanka Oh yeah, I heard many Ranka fans saying this. Doesn't change anything about the fact that both is canon, now it's the question which "version" of which character you prefer or which "version" has more weight. But I think fans will never agree on this one, so why even debate? You have the superior take on what? Love? Sorry, I just didn't get that.
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx Ahh, I thought discussion what about Sayonara because of all the triangle talk...I mean, that is where it gets resolved. Well, "unreasonable" in the sense that I think it's objective fact that Ranka isn't in series like you described her - just like it's objective fact Sheryl isn't a "selfish slut" like some lambast her. I don't mind you liking or not liking Ranka per se but I think your accusations don't have much just basis. Hence "unreasonable"...but I'm not here to convert :P
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka Naw, I have to disagree with that too because there are as many ways to see things as there are people in the world, so I don't think that there is a "right" or "wrong" when it comes to this, nor do I think that it's objective because the mere fact that I don't share your opinion shows that there is no thing such as "objectivity" here, unless you say you don't respect my way of thinking and exclude it from objectiveness. So, what is "objective"? What do you link that with?
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx Well, objective in the sense that we can prove or disprove a claim like "Sheryl was at Zentraedi Mall in episode 5". She was there and to claim otherwise is mistaken. There's difference between work itself and viewer impressions of it and in this case I think your impression on Ranka's character is somewhat skewered. Of course I would need arguments and examples to prove my point, but since I don't have time for that now I think we should just agree to disagree here.
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka The key difference between those two matters is that one is about personal opinions: "Sheryl is a *insert insult here*" is a matter of opinion, so it can't be disproven as opinions in general can't. Unlike the example you just gave can be proven/ disproven because it is about facts, not opinions. Of course, there is always something like "general opinion" or "common sense", that doesn't make other opinions "wrong", though.
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@ShinRanka Basically, it means that although you think I have a skewered opinion about her, you can't prove that it is skewered because then again, there are people who disagree would disagree with you.
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx disagreement about something is not a proof for lack of truth but anyway, if we agree on definition of eg. "slut" we can cross-check Sheryl's behaviour and personality as it is revealed in the work to see if it fits said definition. Of course if the use of word slut is entirely arbitrary here and can mean pretty much anything of course there won't be truth about the matter. Anyway, this really has nothing to do with Macross anymore per se so I think we shold drop this tangent.
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka That's what I'm saying. Basically means: "Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean I am wrong." It's not only agreeing on the term, but also the actions you define as "slutty", for instance. Trying to find a common thread is a nice idea, but it's as well pointless as there are too many things you'd have to cover and people might disagree with you on to start a debate on this basis.
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx Of course the opposite that my impression has been skewered is possible too but again, that would need arguments and examples from you to the end that Ranka was "jealous and self-centered character". But as said, I'm not interested in such indepth debate for now so I think we should just agree to disagree about this :)
As for canon question, of course film and series are on equal footing. I just prefer film version, that's all.
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka Are you implying that I lack material which I think shows that Ranka is self-centered and jealous? Explaining things and giving examples might make your point of view more understandable to others and thus, relevant, of course. I fully agree with you on this. But that has nothing to do with proving facts as explaining and picking examples is a subjective matter again.
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx To the point they could be considered major character flaws, yes! I can already tell you'd use the epic fail of ep 20 as one of your arguments :P But as I've said before I have zero interest in going through this debate here so you shouldn't start digging up reasons for your stance because I'm not going to bother argue against them. so I'm not challenging your opinions. This is why I said we should "agree to disagree" for now :)
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka That's the "general opinion" thing again: Just because ep. 20 might have been an epic fail in the eyes of many fans, there are enough people who disagree with that again. So we've backpedaled to square one again and what did we learn? Nothing, exactly. I also think we're kinda talking past each other here, though.
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx ...well I just said the same thing. Hence we should drop this whole convo as it's pretty much spam as fars the video/topic of discussion "Will Alto end up with Sheryl or Ranka" is considered -_____-
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka Not really, but anyways. I'm wondering, though, why didn't you just ignore my replies and drop the topic when you said you would? Lol.
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx
As for this whole subjective/objective deal, I'm dropping it. Looks like it's just miscommunication instead of any real disagreement. So yeah, forget the whole episode.
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx I've actually discussed about that deal with people who hated Ranka in the past. Usually they've mellowed down in their stances after our discussion, so I'm fairly confident in my opinion - but I'm not interested in that now, esp. since youtube comboxes don't have enough space for indepth discussion. I respect your opinion even if I find it needlessly harsh... What are you referring to with "I heard many Ranka fans say this" though? I'm not sure.
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka I'm not saying that there weren't any changes made in Sheryl's and Alto's character and development, they weren't just as blatant and obvious as in Ranka's case. What are you trying to prove by bringing this up?
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx oh and please note I said Ranka was changed less in terms of backstory/personality. Not that she was changed the least because she did get the biggest changes - but these are mostly due to how plot was written. In his comment at Ranka Visual Collection Kawamori expressed remorse and pity for how Ranka was "put in vice use by Mishima" and was turned into "tool for evil". He couldn't get over that so in film version he tried to let Ranka do more things according to her own will.
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka Doesn't change a thing of what I think. And the majority of fans, for that matter. Yes, the plot was written completely different, I agree with that. But the fact remains that her character was changed a lot. Reasons are irrelevant when we talk about the results - which are Ranka being changed in the movie, more than Alto or Sheryl. You're contraditcing that what you said before: "Ranka was biography/personalitywise the one changed the least." So here you go. What is it now?
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx I was talking about Sayonara no Tsubasa. What I ment is that the personality & background Ranka starts with in Utahime is pretty much the same as in tv series, excl. friendship with Alto and that she's slightly more mature. So it's same personality, same backstory up to that point. I used Minmay (1st Ranka) as counterpoint because even her personality was different in DYRL - with Ranka it's "only" question of how her personality is developed and shaped by the events of the films.
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@ShinRanka I must've missed something cause I didn't watch the second one. I thought you were talking about the first one, but as far as the second one goes, I won't judge that because I can't. Of course they all keep their personalities, just with slight changes. The changes on Ranka were simply the biggest and most apparent ones, that's what we were debating about all the time. But we're running around in circles. I've heard lots about Minmay, but I can't say anything about that either.
xXxValfarisxXx 8 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx So really, you've only seen half of the story so far. I don't want to spoil anything but there are events in Sheryl's and Alto's backstories that never took place in series timeline and with Sheryl one of her key relationships takes entirely new, surprising character. It's also hinted (related to above) that Alto's reason for getting interested in sky is different too - in series it was his mom's influence. Not necessarily the case in films.
ShinRanka 8 months ago
@oneliltiger No, he didn't.
The scriptwriter already said Alto had feelings for Sheryl not Ranka.
But he was too dense to declare his feelings (he was trying to confess in EPISODE 24 according to him), but was too busy with his beloved sky (his true love).
Of course fandumb ignored this, ignored that the younger girl always loses in Macross triangles, ignored the fact how they were pushing Sheryl/Alto in official art.
Movie was supposed to make the OFFICIAL 100% CLEAR ROMANTIC RESOLUTION.
thethessaliah 9 months ago
@thethessaliah Yes, right? I always thought that Alto wanted to confess to Sheryl in ep. 24 too, but so many fans denied that but couldn't come up with a proper explanation for the situation. It doesn't even take indepth analysis or all that much thinking in order to see whom the guy's heart belongs to, it's a tradition, simple as that. If you ignore this, then you are... ignoring the purpose of Macross, I guess. *shrugs*
xXxValfarisxXx 9 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx -.- Ranka/Alto would have never had a sporting chance in Macross. Kawamori sounded REALLY tired and annoyed when people take all the "love/affection" stuff in Frontier as romantic. It doesn't mean it demeans Ranka. She's very important to them but as friend and little sister (Minmay and Mao rolled up into one).
thethessaliah 9 months ago
@thethessaliah That's what I was wondering, too, actually: Why do some people always take it as romantic when people talk about love and affection? I mean, you love your friends and have affection for family members as well. But oh wait, Alto looked at Ranka, that must be true love! OTP!!! Of course Ranka has always been playing a very important role in Alto's life, just in a different aspect than Sheryl. But no, it always has to be romantic in order for some hardcore fans to be happy.
xXxValfarisxXx 9 months ago
@thethessaliah The movie takes on a different story, the way that he already knew Ranka, whereas in the anime he met them both at the same time. He was rejecting Sheryl and she was aware of it and she didn't want him to tell her his feelings cause she wouldn't be able to sing. He didn't love Sheryl as much. (In the anime)
Regardless, the movie tried to rewrite the events of the original plot and thus makes it almost as another story. Sheryl wins in movie, Ranka in anime. I'll take the anime.
oneliltiger 8 months ago
@oneliltiger What the hell are you talking about?
The scriptwriter *said* Alto has feelings for Sheryl in the TV series, he was *confessing* to her. Do you even read the TV series Official Fan Book. He laughed and mocked the fans wanted a clear confession of a doofus like Alto who was struggling for his love for Sheryl and the sky.
thethessaliah 8 months ago
@thethessaliah I do not read official fan books, cause I have a life. But the whole story of the movie was pretty different from the anime. The way the interactions played out was way different from the show, almost like one of those animes that does another "world" arc. The anime was heavily canon with Ranka whereas the Movie was more Sheryl. They were entirely different endings.
oneliltiger 8 months ago
@oneliltiger Then if you have no idea what is the deal is.
The anime shows Alto and Sheryl making love and being lovers. While Ranka's love being idealized and unable to be found in the 'real world' (as per her description of her love in her data). In episode 24, Alto was confessing to Sheryl who stopped him. So says the guy who wrote the scene.
This is Macross, who honestly thinks the younger girl compared to all the triangle losers would win? *eye roll* It's always the older tsundere.
thethessaliah 8 months ago
@thethessaliah There was no love making in the series XD At least I never saw any indication, but okay sure. If the guy writing the scene was trying to convey that idea, he epically failed. It appeared that he was rejecting Sheryl because she was all emo and "No don't tell me, I already know. And if you say it, I won't be able to sing." If it were good news, she probably would still be able to sing.
oneliltiger 8 months ago
@oneliltiger Uh.. Do you know what's a discretion sexy shot is? There's even them cuddling (with Sheryl almost naked in the presentation of the episode in the official guide: "seduction/wooing complete!" as words. Alto initiated a kiss and made love to her.
No....... Sheryl was emo because she thought she was GOING TO DIE before he returned. Unlike Anime Ranka, she has bigger concerns than a "broken heart". She didn't want to hear his answer because if she did, she would fear she would lose
thethessaliah 8 months ago
@oneliltiger Her resolve to sing... which was killing her more quickly. She was abandoning her love for Alto to save the fleet, even if she knew he loved her back. The scriptwriter already said Alto loved the sky, but as far as his romantic feelings go, he was trying to confess his love for Sheryl in episode 24.
Once the battle is won and she's cured, she's the one who waits for him without doubts or insecurity unlike Ranka, the loser who has to 'challenge' to save face.
thethessaliah 8 months ago
@oneliltiger Awww....it's so cute how you try to deny and make up bullshit stories to satisfy your Alto/Ranka ship....as with other Alto/Ranka ships. Honestly, you guys provide good entertainment.
snuberr 8 months ago
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thethessaliah 7 months ago
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thethessaliah 7 months ago
@oneliltiger Perhaps you missed episode 22 when they move into kiss, and the camera pans up away from the couple. That is VERY typical of the Japanese, indicating sex is about to occur, but from a romantic, sometimes tragic time. As someone who is my age, I'm surprised you are so badly in denial about the things you are shown.
JustinStrife 7 months ago
@JustinStrife Nothing was shown, it's not denial, it's me being skeptical of things that really were not given indication of happening. Like if I saw some shirt tugging in that scene I would believe you. But considering they were only making-out, it's hard to say that "it" happened. And I don't know why people bring manga into stuff like this because the anime is usually different from the manga in most shows anyway.
oneliltiger 7 months ago
@oneliltiger Not the manga: light novels, OFFICIAL TV series guide (with them in the futon together, Sheryl's like half naked and Alto's embracing her, with the spicy text). The commentary track of the episode.
All indicates they did it. Or at least went far past the second base.
thethessaliah 7 months ago in playlist Macross Frontier
@oneliltiger De~nial~~~!!
snuberr 7 months ago
@oneliltiger The entire point of the movies was to officially and unambiguously have Alto confess. It's called the "End of the triangle" for a freakin' reason.
Some Ranka/Alto shippers are still in denial. Even after they came out and said Alto loved Sheryl long before the movies. Even if it's Macross and Sheryl is constructed like the Typical Winner Girl and Ranka as Typical Loser Girl. Even if Sheryl cosplays Misa and Ranka Minmay to be "subtle" in art.
Newcomers in Macross are hilarious.
thethessaliah 8 months ago
@oneliltiger Actually, you are showing to have absolutely zero knowledge about the macross story at all. Do You Remember Love, was a movie adaption of the original series, set similarly to the newest movies with Macross Frontier. Many, many scenes were changed, and yet the relationships still ended the same. You need to educate yourself on all that is Macross, before you spout to know ANYTHING about these series' and what goes on in them.
JustinStrife 7 months ago
@oneliltiger you know when you put it that way everyone wins
raptorhunter104 8 months ago
@raptorhunter104 They are just delusional and probably ignorant of how Macross triangles work.
thethessaliah 8 months ago
@raptorhunter104 And that my friend, is how to end a shipping war. :) Alternate plot lines FTW.
( Plus Ranka had like 24 episodes with Alto, as a shipper i am pleased with their relationship, which seems longer than a one-hour movie :3. The show had a lot more Sheryl throwing herself at Alto than him actually returning much other than blushing)
oneliltiger 8 months ago
@oneliltiger Oh you silly stupid rabid Alto/Ranka fans. :P
Newbies in Macross are so fucking hilarious. Especially since majority of them came from shipping stupid predictable shoujo mangas and animes. :P
snuberr 7 months ago
@snuberr Trolls on the internet are super fun. Especially when majority of them are only on the internet for porn and watching skank girls throw themselves on people. Please try to remember what is real and what is fantasy. :)
oneliltiger 7 months ago
@oneliltiger
Check out "DidTheyOrDidn'tThey on TVTrope's website. They even have a small part of that section that mentions Alto and Sheryl. And the manga is a far better source of information for how the couples ended up, than some poor Ranka fan who can't accept the truth.
JustinStrife 7 months ago
An Alto x Ranka would be nice but ...
german1982cine 9 months ago
spoiler spoiler! Sheryl ends up pretty dead and is going to die soon if she gets worst since she is in a coma. Ranka is fine so if Alto comes back ranka is his only choice as sheryl could die. so yeah i is Ranka and Alto if they make an OVA
karenxlunaxzakuro 9 months ago
@karenxlunaxzakuro @karenxlunaxzakuro Uhhh...where did you get that information? From delusions? Sheryl wakes up in the end, Kawamori said so himself in an interview. Plus a page from the Sheryl Visual collection and the Sheryl manga hints that they (Alto and Sheryl) will reunite. So, stop spreading bullshit.
snuberr 9 months ago
@snuberr it's not me, some stupid reviewer online said it, I have not seen the movie but I have read some reviews
karenxlunaxzakuro 9 months ago
@karenxlunaxzakuro I think I have a general idea of who that sour-graping stupid reviewer is. Next time you should look at more reliable sources to spoilers, and be careful to spread unverified (and not to mention, wishful) reviews, else you'll sound like that stupid reviewer.
snuberr 9 months ago
@karenxlunaxzakuro And just to be clear....Alto REJECTED Ranka.
snuberr 9 months ago
@karenxlunaxzakuro I knew someone would be sourgraping here. :P Alto rejected Ranka because he loves Sheryl, and even though it's debatable whether these two will reunite or not, they got their offical canon ending... Why would he go back to Ranka if he loves Sheryl and rejected her in the first place. So stop making up endings that don't even make sense. Alto/Sheryl = Canon. Face it.
And no, they won't make an OVA. Macross F officially ended with the second movie. Sorry for you.
xXxValfarisxXx 9 months ago
@xXxValfarisxXx ok, so this is like the original Macross, Hikaru ends up with Misa insted of Minmay. I hope ranka finds someone 10x better than alto
karenxlunaxzakuro 9 months ago
@karenxlunaxzakuro Yeah, I guess... it doesn't even take complicated thinking or analysis, it's a tradition, plain and simple. *shrugs*
Haha, she will. <: Alto didn't really understand Ranka as well as her wishes and needs in the first place...
xXxValfarisxXx 9 months ago
Sheryl
michaelskyqq 9 months ago
I've a hard time to believe that Alto will be with Sheryl in the end... If you've a proof that Ranka was rejected please let me see it. Thank you :)
qaghou 10 months ago 3
@qaghou It has already been confirmed, in magazines, the official Sayonara no Tsubasa book, Sheryl manga, and etc. If you still don't believe, then wait for the subbed version of the movie to come out (which will take a while as the DVD/BD isn't even out yet.)
snuberr 9 months ago
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rolac1995 10 months ago
i think he will end up with Ranka!!!!!
CaRaP123 10 months ago
@CaRaP123 well, in the latest movie, it kinda confirms who alto actually loves.
baiorinshoujo 10 months ago 10
@CaRaP123 He rejects Ranka.
thethessaliah 10 months ago
@thethessaliah How do you know that he rejects ranka?
rolac1995 10 months ago
@rolac1995 They ended the triangle in the second movie (as they promised, they would conclude it there). Alto rejected Ranka and confessed to Sheryl.
thethessaliah 10 months ago
@thethessaliah ah okay sorry it's just that i didn't find the movie on the web so if you saw it can you tell me where i can find it, thanks
PS:sorry for my bad english
rolac1995 10 months ago
@rolac1995 It just came out in the theaters in Japan (premiered last Feb), the DVD/BluRay is not available yet. Detailed spoilers, screencaps and the official book are out. As well a commemorative wedding poster (Alto+Sheryl) in Macross Ace.
thethessaliah 10 months ago
@thethessaliah okay thank you very much for these precisions
rolac1995 10 months ago
@thethessaliah
Heheh. You just made my day. Alto and Sheryl were the best couple. I really like Ranka, but I think that she was an excuse for some lolicon...
buerplaysguitar 10 months ago 16
@buerplaysguitar I think Ranka's design is much improved in the movies (since he looks... like a petite teenager rather than a child).
thethessaliah 10 months ago
HA!!! Alto remains with Sheryl!! XD
So happy!!! i'm gonna throw a party for that B-)
CrissSpirit 11 months ago 3
sheryl is the bessst
o0WhiteAngel0o 11 months ago
and there is a movie?? can you tell me the name of the movie?? thx
o0WhiteAngel0o 11 months ago
@o0WhiteAngel0o There are two movies: The False Diva and The Wings of Goodbye.
thethessaliah 11 months ago
@thethessaliah please dont you know where i can watch the wings of goodbye? thanks
o0WhiteAngel0o 11 months ago
so he is going to end up with sheryl?? or ranka??
o0WhiteAngel0o 11 months ago
@o0WhiteAngel0o Sheryl
thethessaliah 11 months ago
@o0WhiteAngel0o Neither he dies, but he picks Sheryl
YingofDarkness 11 months ago
@YingofDarkness Well, he doesn't die. He goes MIA... which..... means he'll remain MIA like Shin, Sara, Minmay, Hikaru and Misa did (traditional!). Depending what Kawamori will give or take for the main continuity.
thethessaliah 11 months ago
@thethessaliah The TV series happy ending was more Yoshino's idea, Kawamori was already "joking" about killing off Alto in the commentary and maybe episode 24 was mean to be his end, WHO KNOWS. XD The guy simply decides to put them out of commission so fans wouldn't bother him to write stories about them again.
thethessaliah 11 months ago
@thethessaliah LOL could you imagine if that was why he actually did it? "I'm tired of all of these stories! *kills off Alto*". I don't think episode 24 was going to be his end because I wouldn't understand how episode 25 would then work. Somebody needed to save Ranka and tell Sheryl to put it together to sing (she was tired and it was after Alto told her that she perked up and the Medley started is what I'm referring to here). Well to quote a commercial "The world will never know"
YingofDarkness 11 months ago
@YingofDarkness LOL He jokingly insinuated he'll be more decisive to put an end to his life.
Maybe his spirit would, through the earring. Dunno, even with all the fancy 'triangler', in the end. Us, Sheryl/Ranka shippers got the best end. TV series ended with them *embracing* while Alto was off away. And most of the official after movie (and pre movie) material has Sheryl/Ranka LOL.
I'll gather Sheryl would save Ranka (after all, her SONG also woke her) and Ranka would save Sheryl. Alto was
thethessaliah 11 months ago
@thethessaliah A spirit can't do much though. Regardless without Alto the ending would have been anticlimatic imo. I can't see it working and wasn't the final episode created way before episode 24?
Ranka can't get out of Galaxy by herself and Sheryl can't pilot (look what she did to Micheal's VF in ep 14), I don't think thats the case with Alto though. He felt there was no choice, but he said if it came to that he would. I think done what he did in ep 24 regardless as a last ditch effort
YingofDarkness 11 months ago
@YingofDarkness Alto could have died *after* the explosion (being very injured). A non brainwashedBrera could have made the rescue, Alto could have died after he confessed to Sheryl once the battle was about to end (once Ranka was safe). Or he could have disappeared. God knows Kawamori DOES have a investment in doing that XD
Anyway, apparently, based on what Kawamori said. The second movie is supposed to be the finale of Frontier not the tv series.
thethessaliah 11 months ago
@thethessaliah Or confessed to Ranka since I still have my spin on the way the series and movie worked and can see how the movie actually played on AruRan favor for the series BUT I don't want to get into that because we are having a very nice conversation right now and I don't want to ruin it :D. Let's just say you have your opinion and I have mine (please?).
I can see what you mean so okay he could have killed Alto off, but I'm glad he didn't. I'm a sucker for happy endings I'm afraid xD
YingofDarkness 11 months ago
@YingofDarkness I think Ranka never had a chance.... I think we covered that? Unless she's an older tsundere, she was fated to lose? I mean I ship Sheryl/Ranka, but I thought Sheryl/Alto was a given since the *designs* came out. XD
Besides the tv series was written by Yoshino, who said Alto loved Sheryl?
fff... I'll just combine tv series/movie... Can't say I prefer the tv series since I rather have Alto MIA than Michel KIA XD
Plus Ranka's arc seems 1000x better in the movies already.
thethessaliah 11 months ago
@thethessaliah Again different opinions (Let me be in denial I'll get over it eventually but for now be nice xD). I can't do that though. The second movie seems to be an Abridged version of MF with how many things have changed XD. It's like its own separate universe so I can't combine them.
Again opnions
YingofDarkness 11 months ago
@YingofDarkness Simply using the tools Sheryl gave him because *SHE* wanted to save Ranka. While Ranka was the one who cured Sheryl.
thethessaliah 11 months ago
@thethessaliah No food, water, from the filmstrips I've seen no helmet in space where a human being can't survive for more then some seconds, and an explosion doesn't signify that he died? I think it would be pretty damned hard to survive those circumstances let alone impossible. With Minmay, Misa, and Hikaru they were in the Megaroad so I can consider that going MIA, but I do think that Shin and Sara died to because of the circumstances
YingofDarkness 11 months ago
@YingofDarkness The fact they LOST contact with the Megaroad could mean they crash it or it blow up, but it doesn't. Likewise the Bird Human. It's all assumed the MIA people get lost SOMEWHERE IN THE GALAXY.
You'll think the Vajra Queen WOULD know better. This was supposed to be an ending like Macross Zero. If Alto were dead, Kawamori's message of "hope" he wanted to convey would be wasted.
thethessaliah 11 months ago
@thethessaliah With Alto Alive doesn't mean he'll return... I don't believe ANYONE will return after they get MIA. They are all hanging around in the Macross planet limbo.
thethessaliah 11 months ago
@thethessaliah You know what I want next Macross? Two guys fighting over a girl but not in the way they did Macross 7 (which shouldn't count because I don't think Basara ever gave a damn). Like a serious one with a cool enemy, explosions, awesome character that will most likely die later, and another Bobby *_*.
YingofDarkness 11 months ago