Alcoholism and drug addiction are so insidious we can't even agree what to call them... I saw my dad have about 20 seizures due to alcoholism...then he died alone in some room over a bar... maybe it's not a disease, but it's not something done by choice either...
"The Blessed Lord said: It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material modes of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful enemy of this world."[Bhagavad-Gita AS IT IS - 3.37 by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada]
Maybe you have come over the eastern wisdom already.
The vedic philosophy explains how the soul is forced into bondage(addiction to sense enjoyment) and how to recover with the help of Yoga - linking oneself to God.
"Oceanside treatment center Juno Beach florida" coerced medication compliance thrown out no refund for not taking zombie drugs !
Watch "abilify kills" on you tube it looks like me at this place. The client is always wrong at this place ! Nueroleptic zombie sobriety no thanks.
They thought it was a joke screwing with me like that . Give me a lab test for this chemical imbalance or a brain scan and show me ! Before I destroy my health with that poison.
@Penguinz13989 I hope you take the time to watch the entire video. A few months ago, I watched Kevin's video. It is the best presentation I have found on the topic. Addiction is very much a disease. It is a disease of the brain. Our brains are incredibly plastic and able to adapt quickly to change. But, when that process goes wrong, we have the disease of addiction. Telling someone they are a f*** up does not really give them a way forward. Kevin's video is a great help to many people.
Now i think that it is possible for a traumatised person that wend through things u can't even imagine in you nightmares to cure himself. This takes years specially when u had it as a child, u don't know any better. Plus your addiction makes it far worse. 90% of addicts doesnt just use drugs for fun, they use it to calm down, escape, sleep etc.But i think if u have the guts to accept it, motivation to cure yourself u can do it.
Don't get me wrong because i was an addict. Addiction is not a disease unless u were a crackbaby or something, i dispice how sad this world has become. Someone with cancer has a disease. "We have a disease because we keep invading eatchothers country's and cut, kill and rape eatchother", a childmolester has a disease would be the same statement. This fucking world has become so unethical it's just sad.
@quintessential37 That's a good question. I've been diagnosed many disorders, and i believe u can have a cronical disorder and a trauma basted one in all kinds of forms. Things i sayd above here a month ago i can't remember i wrote that, i'm not sure to agree with it. Alcohol a choice or a disease....Disorder can be the same thing and i think the point what i was trying to make is that they diagnose about anything these days.
@quintessential37 U had a setback in your life and u have a little panic attack, u had a traumatised youth, u been molested as a child etc. The lst things stay with u the rest of your life like a war veteran seeing people blown apart. Eventualy they get PTSD or psychosis, these are trauma based disorders. WW2 veterans had no psychologist, some commited suicide some got over it and moved on. Autism u are born with that's a cronical mental illness, they can never chance howmuch they even wanted.
@gledalac1979 Keep in mind this 2 minute clip merely sets up the "Choice vs Disease" debate for the rest of the video. The remaining 60 minutes show why the "Choice Argument" is problematic. Nevertheless, its "reversibility" or "self-infliction" would neither disqualify addiction from being, nor prove it to be, a disease. Type I DM is not reversible, although Type II can be managed in some pts with diet & exercise. Some cancers could be said (tastelessly) to be self-inflicted, but most are not.
all cancers and diabetes are self inflicted , it's not like someone else put it there. You can say parents and environment gave it to a young child but I don't think that's what you mean. If DM type 1 is caused by immune system response, it can be cured by leveling out the immune system and supplementing with things like arginine and magnesium to rebuild pancreas. If DM type 2 is caused by excess glucocorticoids, you can cure it by regulating stress response.
and if cancer is caused by an unnatural lifestyle that suppresses immune system , it can be cured by aromatherapy, sunbathing,fasting, sprinting and nature walking . While the popular opinion is that all the diseases are unfortunate accidents and we are all victims, the brutal truth is that nature does not make mistakes
@kevintmccauley1965 All DIEseases are a choice...conscious or unconscious...check video out - The Beautiful Truth, on how even late state cancer can be reversed... -- I'll watch the rest of ur video clips. Nice metaphor using geology.....many dieseases reversed by DIEt changes...other changes by thought process changes...the tricky thing is now there are toxins that affect our health....everywhere!
@30Zoidberg oh yes...u can...it's all a CHOICE...check out DVD - Forks and Knives...a new 2011 doc..maybe on Youtube, otherwise buy for $10...all chronic illnesses are reversible...
I have to say this dude instead of using drugs or alcohol u got addicted to finding out why addiction is a choice...therefore u replaced alcohol with something else...being addicted to something is still an addiction and just because it might be healthier doesn't mean that it is a choice...the only choice you made was to find a different addiction
@HansDesterhoft Addiction is not the part of this equation that is a choice. Addiction is a physical need created by some external factor.... like taking drugs, and then becoming addicted to those drugs. The external factor is the drug, and the addiction is the physical result. However, being that we are human and we can make choices that are both difficult and go against natural instinct (i.e. running INTO a burning building or forest rather than away from fire) we can choose to say no.
@HansDesterhoft I don't disagree with that one bit. Although technically, an "addiction" implies a decrease in functioning, and the decision to be distracted/incapacitated/enthralled by something else might not fit the standard, clinical definition. But I do think this is a way that many people with drug and alcohol problems get better: they find something more interesting. And people with actual addiction find a "higher power" - whether supernatural or not.
Addiction is when the want becomes a need, the power of suggestion lends to the acceptances of pretended knowledge, pretended knowledge lacks the use of faculties, the use of faculties expands comprehension skill leading to finite articulation to the physical truth about subject matter.
I'm an alcoholic, and I claim and admit my addiction as something I've made a conscience decision to indulge in all these years. No one and nothing has MADE me do it. It's not an addiction, it's a choice.
I viewed alcohol as my problem, but now I see that I used alcohol as a solution to emotional problems, becuase of this it became an addiction. I was addicted to using alcohol as a solution.
In order for me to stay sober I have to replace the alcohol with another solution.
Otherwise I just have the same problems, and will relapse.
For me what works is talking to other alcoholics about how I feel, and 100% honesty.
The main "order out of chaos" that is created in essence by the subject of addiction and 'dis-ease' is a matter of good people being destroyed due to the framework of their reality; which was created by design for another human. That is why the only answer to all of these dis-ease is some means of personal, heart to heart contact and understanding; that is why this man's fake emotion will have a effect on all of the people who don't have the proper tools to discern what is the true case for you.
I believe the main difference between the two subjects that seemingly have a gap of 'choice' is that in this world you can do 'nothing' but be yourself and still remain to be taken down and abused or forced into things that you didn't willingly 'choose' to be a part of... this happens every day -- without the proper tools to analyze past experiences as I had said, it's easy to blur the relation between what was personal choice and what "happened to befall someone unfortunately" such as cancer.
furthermore, drugs exist in nature: drugs do not create addiction, just the means to access it by.. and a diabetic; they can CHOOSE to ALLOW themselves to become addicted to sugar and then develop diabetes without ever realizing why, cancer is also a 'dis-ease' they are all caused by the stress from a lack of the tools to appropriately sort past experiences, in correlation to what shows on the surface. I believe that is what gives AA room to deem it a "disease" but "disease" is stress, dis-ease
'Dis-order' in any level can cause a 'Dis-ease', from my own personal understanding and experience. I would have to say that addiction may cause a 'dis-ease' but in the very word addiction.. is 'a-diction'. Although this may be hard to grasp or prove, I remain firm that the only skeptic reacting to this will be someone other than myself, so take what you can get -- all areas of dis-ease are inherently produced by choice, they are all a reaction to something that doesn't belong in your life
Dr McCauley , I would like to ask you : What do you do when you started something that you should have never started in the first place? You know there things you should never start with,just because they are too hard to quit ,addictions..
@Iamnotanub Hi! What do we do if we start doing something we shouldn't have and now it has gotten away from us? Well, I think recriminations at this point aren't helpful. Sometimes people take risks they shouldn't. It would be nice if teenagers didn't drink or use drugs. But guess what ... they do! Now what? Getting into the solution is better than trying to analyze the problem. What can I put in that person's life that will make it more likely that they can move past that old mistake?
@kevintmccauley1965 I'm not sure but diseases are full of disease. and if a person looks long enough, they might never be healed. Jesus is the great Physician. Amen.
@Iamnotanub (cont'd) I think the Public Health model is even more helpful than the medical model to address choice and health behaviors because it looks to the person's community, workplace, peers and family to influence their future choices, and to help them reconnect with the social norms, social support, and cultural values that can get them back on track.
@Iamnotanub (cont'd 2) But here's another problem your question raises - I call it the "First Choice" problem. It claims that "once the brain changes are underway, addiction is a disease - but the addict never should have taken that first drug!" Their culpability for all that follows rests within that First Choice. Okay, but think about this: 90% of schizophrenics smoke cigarettes. Was the choice they faced to start smoking the same as the choice you and I faced? I think there's a difference...
Of course the Medics and mind mechanics gonna say "it's a desease". How else are they to make an easy fortune. Their enterprising motto is "the world is full of gullible suckers begging to be swindled." So why disappoint them by being honest about the "mystique" of addiction? Like DUHH, it's an open and shut case, with them mercenary rascals.
Mankind is in bondage. They are all alone on a very big planet in a very big universe. Family and freinds help aswage the loneliness, but they don't completly relieve it. Addicition to pleasure is the natural result of trying to escape the loneliness and pain people find themselves in. Pleasure is pleasurable! So it, too, helps allieviate the feelings of isolation and helplessness.
The truth is, that there really is a God, we don't know this God because we are separated from Him. However, there
Do they ever pet the animals before hurting them severely? They could have a room where the animals are petted nicely maybe...Then after the severe hurting maybe they could pet them again, but maybe just pet around where the blood might be...or they could put a tube in there to take away the blood during the severe hurting. Then they could even pet them longer, or maybe pet them even where some of the red blood may be.
Addiction is physiological; not an underlying personality problem or psychiatric illness (Although it can cause psychiatric illness in its later stages.)
I've been treating addicted clients for 20 years; certainly long enough to understand it. I won't present a lecture here...lol..but I'm surprised that in this day and age that people still debate it as a moral issue verses a chronic, progressive, primary and potentially fatal disease that can't be cured but can be managed.
@dreamwitch1 Thank you soooooooo much for your discerning and professional input. Really Thank You.
You definitely know what your talking about. I've been through 17 years of addiction and 5 years of deliverance from addiction. I wont preach to no one on here, but I know for myself that I am a new creation is Christ...Notice I said, "I"...I gave MY life to Christ and when I got to step 3 of Narcotics anonymous 12 step program, I was lead to the Bible and the process of renewing my mind. Tis ALL
@TheCharity9 I appreciate your comment as well. I wish you well with your ongoing recovery. There will always be those who continue to attach stigma to this cunning and baffling disease. With understanding, comes support....and the recovering community can use all it can get.
People do actually choose to get dietbity, it is not genetacly, but it's the individual eating habbit tough by generations, making them think it's genetacly.
Nearly 90% of people once considered according to the DSM-IV to have a substance abuse disease quit by age 30.
You can't decide at age 30 that it's time to grow up and quit cancer. We need to rethink our definition of what is a disease and mend it into the concept of social influence on our culture as a whole.
it is a disease with no cure u will have it forever like cancer u can fight it and put it into remission but it can always come back and if it comes back its just as bad as where u left off or worse
Actually, people do greatly increase their risk of cancer due to certain behaviors. So maybe cancer isn't a disease. Also, type II diabetes may not be a disease by that logic.
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Call it a disease if you want. But no disease compels you to drink against your will, no disease prevents you from quitting and no disease makes you relapse into drinking again. There is an element of choice, as well as an element of compulsion and brain chemistry, involved. Addiction involves both choice and disease.
"A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms." So yes, addiction is a disease.
I think the most important question regarding "addiction" is, "How the f*ck do I stop this sh*t", not if it is or is not a disease. (of course AA's success @ PR has people thinking stuff like this).
@kevintmccauley1965 Hello. I'm a bit more existential when it comes to this stuff. My next questions, and I don't think Youtube comment wars are helpful btw, is "Who has been in my situation and got out and how did they do it?" and "What do I have NOW in my life, or want to have in my life that is MORE important than drugs/alcohol?" If the disease concept helps people, great. But lots of alcoholics in bars, for example LOVE to claim they can't stop.
@BeauJames59 I think its a matter of dealing with the whole person but addiction itself is not a disease but a condition, the power of suggestion is not good the real affects to addiction is dealing with the physical cravings and the constant process of withdrawal which can be dealt with through having a better understanding to why it happens, environmental pressures are more the causes for people seeking any means of escape, meditation is good to calm the mind but takes practice
@BeauJames59 Its takes time, but having an incentive is essential, the problem usually is centered around environmental conditionings the roboitics of familiarity, being conformed to who you think you are is conditioned by those around you being held to an identity that if often what we see that no one else knows, the onion peel sees whats real and accepts the past seeking change in being principled, often its the others who are not principled, principles before personalities..dont presume
@waypor1 The concept that addiction is a disease causes a physical fixation due to the power of suggestion being the affects that are degrading in a symboilic society that does not take enough time in reflection to see the actual physical relationships, thats why people are often so fucked up in nthe head being more real that you think, you are being asked to believe in things that are not real, being real is the process of edicfication, AA is based in part on "I Corinthians XIV 14"
@waypor1 The AA guide how it works is not how it really works, especially when it makes the claims of a higher power which is a form of religious cult, they also say the lords prayer which is a poem taken from the sermon on the mount and is grossely taken out of context being a philosphers attempt to define social structure and the causes to transgression, obvioulsy religions ideals do nothing for you me or them. Do your own math and get real seeing through your own bullshit and then others
how many times did you have to rehearse this..u say ur a doctor..hmm ok you talk on diabetes ...btw u also brough up politics LOL a drug addict could care less about politics...ok with an illness it needs treated every day ..like diabetes...drug addiction..an illness of mind and body is a disease ...and needs treated everyday. U seem very well versed Im wondering if on the webite listed if ur trying to sell some thing...u are a good salesmen...
just because an addict isnt using drugs doesnt mean they arent an addict. There is a difference between being chemically dependent and being an addict.
@Dannyod6504 He is on a personal journey that has taken 10 years. Of course he is now in the middle of nowhere. Give him another decade and he may reach the other side.
Yeah, you bet. Because rolling green hills and densely fragrant forrest dehydrates his sun tan and give him the hiccups; well, that's what a tobacco and beauty supply merchant with diabetese and a broken foot,d eating black-eyed peas with Kentucy Fried Chicken necks in downtown Tokyo told me last summer, but you don't have to take his word for it. I didn't.
@Dannyod6504 You ask "Why this guy is in the middle of a fucking desert?" I'm guessing because he'd rather relapse on peyote that grows out in the desert then the kind of bad crack cocaine that's available back in town.
Coming off opiates made me realize how imbalanced by head really was. I still feel borderline psychotic to this day. To sum it up I think mental illness is the most appropriate category for addiction.
Honestly I think addiction is just a mental illness that everyone has the potential to develop. A lot of people think everyone is susceptible to thinks like schizophrenia as well. There's a certain boundary that is crossed where rational thought falls out the window and you're merely an observer to your unstoppable self-destructive habits.
Who cares whether it is a disease or not? Getting help is the important thing.
AA Alcoholics Anonymous describes addiction as cunning, baffling & powerful which basically means no one on earth really knows whether addiction is a disease or not..
John Bradshaw says codependents have to figure everything out. Have you talked to your counselor or therapist lately?
Great video and explanation. I view addiction as a trained response to deal with life's issues. Addiction becomes a function of survival. What was once a choice becomes instinctive and destructive. Labeling and stereotyping the addict is never productive and as such I agree that many therapeutic models focus too much on the issue and labels rather than solutions. Life's choices create the compulsion of addiction and on the flip side, there are choices that can bring healing.
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Of course drug use is almost always a choice. Its just that when the public has been well informed of the risks associated, do we than conclude that the majority of respiratory cancers (caused by smoking) are in fact "chosen" diseases, or do we insist that the people where just stupid or "out of control"? Because there's "no way" that so many millions of people could ever knowingly choose to die, by a bloody suffocating and long term gradual painful death of respiratory cancers.
@Breezedoner Sorry but you don't know shit. Drugs kill your neurotransmitters and some of them replace them (such as opiates). Drugs take away all of your emotions when sober, you're completely dull, empty, depressed wreck. Drugs move the line of happines to the highest possible point which makes nothing as enjoying as it was when sober. You have shown your ignorance by comparing craves for sex to craves for drugs. Craves for drugs are unimaginable for you my friend. You don't just want it.
@Breezedoner You miss it. It's the only thought in your head. You try to imagine the feeling but can't, you fantasy about it, you have dreams about it. You miss it more than a little child misses his mom. You desperately try to get the feeling again, no matter how. It's like a neverending "summer love". The itense euphoria you get from drugs such as cocaine or morphine are unimaginable. I can't even imagine it now after 2 years of using. I have to repeat it to remind myself the feeling.
@Morr1992 Look man, I'm not gonna insult your shit by pointing out that either your an ex... or you work in the field, but don't assume that I don't know what a craving is. It's quiet clear that certain drugs like heroin and alcohol illicit a response in us that brings out the defensivness, and greediness in us. All I was saying is that the problem isn't a drug problem it's a human problem... and ppl have done just as fucked up of things to get food money and sex as they have to get "drugs".
@Morr1992 Obviously this is an emotional issue, for many including you... and I. I do not dispute that tolerance to certain "drugs" can completely eliminate the utility of the native neurotransmitters... much as cars have done to legs. The issue is whether or not u can prove that drugs have removed freewill from the ppl enough that is is constitutional or at all ethical, to step in and say that the peoples decisions arent there own, and should be made for them... thats bypassing freewil bro!
@Breezedoner Either way you don't know a thing. It takes over your free will and your soul in every aspect. It changes you, how you think, your feelings. It goes into your instinct. The choice may be thinking about having some chocolate or sex with world miss 2009 because that's where you have the councious control over your choice.
@Morr1992 Gets into your instincts???? Maybe our instincts just weren't perfect... hello. I think that the effects of overpopulation, HIV, and HEP(s), among other problems to say the least caused BY INSTINCTS such as the "sex drive" have been and are today still far bigger threats to most communities than drug "addiction".
Oh Thank you Thank you!!! That is what they were telling me! DENIAL! What a bunch of excuses can we make up next to sweep everything under the rug and blame it on something else!!!!! The same goes for everthing in Galations chapter 5:19 Its acts of sinful nature, No self control!!!
@AngeliaClaire Have you ever experience addiction? Have you ever walked in the shoes of someone that has had to deal with this? NO Then read John 10:16. Also read the whole Book of Exodus. Pay attention then they talk about them getting bitten by the snakes what does God do to help them. Then read Matt 7:5.
@Godlyguitarman you don't know me shut UP!!!!!! How do snakes and alcohol go hand in hand? That is just stupid. Yes, Eve should have had self control or we might not be having these silly remarks!!!! Peace!!!!
@AngeliaClaire How silly is that you didn't even read the things that I suggested and then tell me that is just stupid. It isn't the snakes read the reading then come back. Also you didn't answer the questions then you must not be an addict so think about this: talk about something you have experiences on. Also pissing on my leg then telling me Peace. How old are you?
The most important question about addiction? How to get out of it!
To call the question of whether it is a disease is to beg the questions based on assumptions made by the 12 Step Industry.......again, pretty film....and at the end of the day, all I really want is for people to have a good life, 12 Step programs have shown to work no better than people quitting on their own.
@BeauJames59 Ok that is why the AMA and the CMA have declared it a disease? BTW that wasn't thought up by the 12 step program. Check you resources. Also if more people got clean on there own then why is it that the medical and detox centers stay full? They don't I tried more time to quit by my self only to got back.
Truth isn't determined by committee or democratic vote. The fact that the majority of folks thought the world was flat during Colombus' time, even if it included royal societies was false. Your argument about medical centers fails because the majority of addicts never see those places. Finally just because you failed, doen't prove anything. The more people try to quit, the more likely they are to succeed.
@Godlyguitarman. Truth isn't determined by committee or democratic vote. The fact that the majority of folks thought the world was flat during Colombus' time, even if it included royal societies was false. Your argument about medical centers fails because the majority of addicts never see those places. Finally just because you failed, doen't prove anything. The more people try to quit, the more likely they are to succeed.
@BeauJames59 your arugment of just because I fail and thousands of others that agree with me( 10's of thousands). With first hand experience isnot the same as the world being flat they believed that the world was flat because of people like you saying crap that they have not experienced. Also where do you think that addicts detox? Centers and medical centers. They see them to get the drugs out with the help from docs.
OK "godlyguitarman". No possible number of people going to detox COULD prove it's a disease. That would ONLY prove they detoxed. You don't seem to understand that the truth/falsity of your position isn't determined by the numbers at all. You go ahead and have the last word, and I wish you the best.
Addiction is only in place when someone cannot stop, the habit forms physical mannerisms there are many forms of addiciton the words its self is repugnant without isolating the real explanations to the term. Addiction is mental obsession combined with the physical triggers, so the recovery process in mental and physically related; What forms the original obssession is indivdual so there is no global explaination that is why people often argue which becomes redundent
Most people I know, even ones that it doesn't disrupt their lives to drink a little too much now & then, will say they had only 2 or 3 drinks when I've noticed that they've had much more. Strong compulsion, not choice or disease.
I had an addiction to shoplifting. Sometimes the urge to take something, often what I couldn't use, would overwhelm me. I stopped after being arrested. I occasionally get strong urge to steal, but I talk abt it, respect it, leave store,urge more powerful than a choice.
I don't think it is fair to say that addiciton is a choice. I don't have a problem with alcohol, but I didn't know that until I took the first drink. Most people I know think they don't have a problem w/ alcohol, but it is so obvious to me that they do. If a person has to drink to feel good or to avoid pain, that person is dangerously close to being an addict. I drink very few times a year, to socialize with someone, but even then, I don't like feeling out of control, so I stop at 1 or 2 drinks.
I guess what its called to me seems pertinent more in that labeling someone is a greater issue in this world, I feel that since that the cause of addiction is explainable it is simply a conditioning of a habit to use the word disease is simply more repugnant; I write about economics and how materialism is essentially the issue with our technological evolution, addiction or obsessive behaviour is related to the fact that there is no true psychology which becomes the language for perception.
once you have heard it then you cannot say that you don't know what it sounds like. I would love for you to join me to explain what you have said to a few others that are so called experts of addiction and the 12 steps. PM me if want to look at what I am talking about before you get in. Thanks
Well in my case and many others that I have talk to it was something like sex abuse or some kind of abuse. I would label that as the "pre-addiction" stage. I would over do almost everything: sports, Teakwondo, eating, acceptence, whatever it was I was trying to do it all the time at 150%. So when I felt like I didn't measure up to what I thought then I would quit. Until I tried drugs. I also have a few addicts in my family. I explain being an addict for life like hearing a bell ring....
Where is your proof? People also try to use reasoning to explain things they have never experienced. So are you coming from experiences or just standing outside and assuming you have an answer because you "think" you know?
It is a science of application which requires an application to your own mind, what do you not agree with, Hans George Gadamer called this process Herneneutics which is a process of learning, and yes it is through learning that In understand what I write, subject to many interpretations meaning we all have our own way to expression.
Kevin the one part you left out is why you started using in the first place. Then mind only repeat to what feels good. So the real question come to this if you believed that using was an answer how is that a disease. the using is a choice the core issues is the disease. Most people look at the drugs addiction isn't mostly about the using it is why they started using and the why you contiune to use. I respect your position but disagree with your opinion
Eexactly. The drug use itself is actually a SYMPTOM that occurs. When the addict doesn't know how do deal with the core issues he has, he self-medicates by using. IT'S NOT THE DRUGS, PEOPLE!!!! If an addict doesn't start using a drug, then he would probably become addicted to sex, gambling, work, religion, or develop some kind of obsessive compulsive behavior. Many people choose to use drugs, no one chooses to be an addict; they just are. Anyone who has been to one AA meeting knows that.
Most people don't know this simple little fact. They only look at the drug use. So when someone stop using the world around them thinks that he is "cured". So when they use again it really confuses them. I know after doing the 12 steps with a sponcer that I was an addict way before I used any drugs. What I would really like to see is for those people who "think" that addiction isn't a diease to feel that feeling of not having a choice to use or you feel like you are going to die if you don't.
Obsession for most people is to seek a lost feeling, I know what you are saying about the fear you sensed before you ever picked up a drug,,,that is likely related to having perhaps been living around that influence and it becomes the power of suggestion; This gets easy and hard to explain because the basis to this begins with a choice we make based upon the confidence we sense about who or what we are; The aspects to obsessive behaviors are explainable based upon many factors...
Twelve step programs purpose is to change simply the way we think, a process of the forth step simply getting honest is easy to explain but harder to understand while applying it... This relates to the science of perception which is what I write about which no one has done to the greater extent asme; I explain the roots to the cause, which I feel begins in the first loss when we seek acceptance for who we are which leads to consumption,,,The Bible Cain goes to the land of Nod.
it's only a disease if ur addicted. if ur recovered, what is it that u recovered from? it might just signify a state of being that destroys health & finally kills the addict if left 2 it's own devices. great presentation however
I have been in recovery since 7/11/08, I have taken the spiritual path, to reach were I am today, and I often tell people that I made the monster, drugs can not hurt me until I choose to put them in my body
Its a choice which can become obsession or habit, not a disease, telling people its a disease is simply misinformation like so many forms of communication, read my blog about self measure, the key in recovery is edifying perception through replacing what we do not know with knowing what we know, being what we are when we are where we are saying what we mean meaning what we say, knowing what we know when we need to know it, without presuming to know who we are through thecollectiveeyeofperception
Your faith is within reach and everytime you think deep enough to put your feelings on paper you awaken those feelings that has been embedded within your soul. I pray to the heavens for your wings to spread and guide you over all your trials so the reflection that you see will be the angel within you. Stay true to yourself without doubt and what you desire and believe in will grow right before you. journey has begun @ second chance! for everyone!
Alcoholism and drug addiction are so insidious we can't even agree what to call them... I saw my dad have about 20 seizures due to alcoholism...then he died alone in some room over a bar... maybe it's not a disease, but it's not something done by choice either...
MrScottmac33 1 week ago
why is he walking around in the canyons?
damnation0708 2 weeks ago
disagree but like
mlkopituras 1 month ago
@mlkopituras i hope the movie aint bullshit
mlkopituras 1 month ago
"The Blessed Lord said: It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material modes of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful enemy of this world."[Bhagavad-Gita AS IT IS - 3.37 by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada]
Maybe you have come over the eastern wisdom already.
The vedic philosophy explains how the soul is forced into bondage(addiction to sense enjoyment) and how to recover with the help of Yoga - linking oneself to God.
BhaktaRobin 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
1:12 I didn't choose to be pumped with morphine when my mother was giving birth to me.
madmanmantra 3 months ago
"Oceanside treatment center Juno Beach florida" coerced medication compliance thrown out no refund for not taking zombie drugs !
Watch "abilify kills" on you tube it looks like me at this place. The client is always wrong at this place ! Nueroleptic zombie sobriety no thanks.
They thought it was a joke screwing with me like that . Give me a lab test for this chemical imbalance or a brain scan and show me ! Before I destroy my health with that poison.
AkathisiA101 3 months ago
TRUST ME.....ITS A DISEASE
quaffed156156 4 months ago
addiction isn't a disease
I've have addictions (still do) and it's all about wether you're a fuck up or not. I don't scapegoat my recklessness on a 'disease'
Penguinz13989 5 months ago
@Penguinz13989 I hope you take the time to watch the entire video. A few months ago, I watched Kevin's video. It is the best presentation I have found on the topic. Addiction is very much a disease. It is a disease of the brain. Our brains are incredibly plastic and able to adapt quickly to change. But, when that process goes wrong, we have the disease of addiction. Telling someone they are a f*** up does not really give them a way forward. Kevin's video is a great help to many people.
smarkbarnes 2 weeks ago
Now i think that it is possible for a traumatised person that wend through things u can't even imagine in you nightmares to cure himself. This takes years specially when u had it as a child, u don't know any better. Plus your addiction makes it far worse. 90% of addicts doesnt just use drugs for fun, they use it to calm down, escape, sleep etc.But i think if u have the guts to accept it, motivation to cure yourself u can do it.
pyromaniaknl 5 months ago
This guy was addicted to sucking dicks.
calumisdead 6 months ago
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Addiction can be a sign of underlying mental disease though. Now that's the correct statement...
pyromaniaknl 7 months ago
Don't get me wrong because i was an addict. Addiction is not a disease unless u were a crackbaby or something, i dispice how sad this world has become. Someone with cancer has a disease. "We have a disease because we keep invading eatchothers country's and cut, kill and rape eatchother", a childmolester has a disease would be the same statement. This fucking world has become so unethical it's just sad.
pyromaniaknl 7 months ago
@pyromaniaknl Do you consider bi-polar disorder, depression or ocd a disease?
quintessential37 5 months ago
@quintessential37 That's a good question. I've been diagnosed many disorders, and i believe u can have a cronical disorder and a trauma basted one in all kinds of forms. Things i sayd above here a month ago i can't remember i wrote that, i'm not sure to agree with it. Alcohol a choice or a disease....Disorder can be the same thing and i think the point what i was trying to make is that they diagnose about anything these days.
pyromaniaknl 5 months ago
@quintessential37 U had a setback in your life and u have a little panic attack, u had a traumatised youth, u been molested as a child etc. The lst things stay with u the rest of your life like a war veteran seeing people blown apart. Eventualy they get PTSD or psychosis, these are trauma based disorders. WW2 veterans had no psychologist, some commited suicide some got over it and moved on. Autism u are born with that's a cronical mental illness, they can never chance howmuch they even wanted.
pyromaniaknl 5 months ago
k.i.s.s.
pauldemo0708 7 months ago
"JUsT GeT mE somE PeYote anD a hANg-gLIdeR." - Albert D. Xavier 1967
MrBeautifulba1 8 months ago
cancer and diabetes can be reversed much easier than drug addiction and they are also self inflicted so this video misses target
gledalac1979 9 months ago
@gledalac1979 Keep in mind this 2 minute clip merely sets up the "Choice vs Disease" debate for the rest of the video. The remaining 60 minutes show why the "Choice Argument" is problematic. Nevertheless, its "reversibility" or "self-infliction" would neither disqualify addiction from being, nor prove it to be, a disease. Type I DM is not reversible, although Type II can be managed in some pts with diet & exercise. Some cancers could be said (tastelessly) to be self-inflicted, but most are not.
kevintmccauley1965 9 months ago
@kevintmccauley1965
all cancers and diabetes are self inflicted , it's not like someone else put it there. You can say parents and environment gave it to a young child but I don't think that's what you mean. If DM type 1 is caused by immune system response, it can be cured by leveling out the immune system and supplementing with things like arginine and magnesium to rebuild pancreas. If DM type 2 is caused by excess glucocorticoids, you can cure it by regulating stress response.
gledalac1979 9 months ago
@kevintmccauley1965
and if cancer is caused by an unnatural lifestyle that suppresses immune system , it can be cured by aromatherapy, sunbathing,fasting, sprinting and nature walking . While the popular opinion is that all the diseases are unfortunate accidents and we are all victims, the brutal truth is that nature does not make mistakes
gledalac1979 9 months ago
@kevintmccauley1965 All DIEseases are a choice...conscious or unconscious...check video out - The Beautiful Truth, on how even late state cancer can be reversed... -- I'll watch the rest of ur video clips. Nice metaphor using geology.....many dieseases reversed by DIEt changes...other changes by thought process changes...the tricky thing is now there are toxins that affect our health....everywhere!
circusoflife 2 months ago
@circusoflife The Beautiful Truth is on Youtube in full 92 minutes.
circusoflife 2 months ago
@circusoflife You can stop smoking. You can't stop having type 1 diabetes.
30Zoidberg 1 month ago
@30Zoidberg oh yes...u can...it's all a CHOICE...check out DVD - Forks and Knives...a new 2011 doc..maybe on Youtube, otherwise buy for $10...all chronic illnesses are reversible...
circusoflife 3 days ago
@circusoflife lol ur stupid
30Zoidberg 3 days ago
Is he sitting on a turtle?
RegretfulPonys 9 months ago
love the scenery - anyone know where this was filmed?
OutOnBailNow 9 months ago
Mitch Hedberg was an alcoholic
mjmcc15 9 months ago
I have to say this dude instead of using drugs or alcohol u got addicted to finding out why addiction is a choice...therefore u replaced alcohol with something else...being addicted to something is still an addiction and just because it might be healthier doesn't mean that it is a choice...the only choice you made was to find a different addiction
HansDesterhoft 10 months ago
@HansDesterhoft Addiction is not the part of this equation that is a choice. Addiction is a physical need created by some external factor.... like taking drugs, and then becoming addicted to those drugs. The external factor is the drug, and the addiction is the physical result. However, being that we are human and we can make choices that are both difficult and go against natural instinct (i.e. running INTO a burning building or forest rather than away from fire) we can choose to say no.
PatriotsRepublic 10 months ago
@HansDesterhoft I don't disagree with that one bit. Although technically, an "addiction" implies a decrease in functioning, and the decision to be distracted/incapacitated/enthralled by something else might not fit the standard, clinical definition. But I do think this is a way that many people with drug and alcohol problems get better: they find something more interesting. And people with actual addiction find a "higher power" - whether supernatural or not.
kevintmccauley1965 9 months ago 2
Whether you call an addiction a disease or not, it's definitely contagious.
madmanmantra 11 months ago
Recovering from an addiction is not quitting.
But finding a way to not start again.
TheReddwarff100 11 months ago 4
Addiction is when the want becomes a need, the power of suggestion lends to the acceptances of pretended knowledge, pretended knowledge lacks the use of faculties, the use of faculties expands comprehension skill leading to finite articulation to the physical truth about subject matter.
MegaFargone 1 year ago
Dammit Otto, you have lupus!
rick4318 1 year ago
I'm an alcoholic, and I claim and admit my addiction as something I've made a conscience decision to indulge in all these years. No one and nothing has MADE me do it. It's not an addiction, it's a choice.
SubconsciousGatherer 1 year ago
@SubconsciousGatherer
I'm a recovering alcoholic 9 months.
I viewed alcohol as my problem, but now I see that I used alcohol as a solution to emotional problems, becuase of this it became an addiction. I was addicted to using alcohol as a solution.
In order for me to stay sober I have to replace the alcohol with another solution.
Otherwise I just have the same problems, and will relapse.
For me what works is talking to other alcoholics about how I feel, and 100% honesty.
TheReddwarff100 11 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer choice and addiction are antithetical ideas. Something can't be both things.
quintessential37 5 months ago
The main "order out of chaos" that is created in essence by the subject of addiction and 'dis-ease' is a matter of good people being destroyed due to the framework of their reality; which was created by design for another human. That is why the only answer to all of these dis-ease is some means of personal, heart to heart contact and understanding; that is why this man's fake emotion will have a effect on all of the people who don't have the proper tools to discern what is the true case for you.
Distortedbackdrop 1 year ago
I believe the main difference between the two subjects that seemingly have a gap of 'choice' is that in this world you can do 'nothing' but be yourself and still remain to be taken down and abused or forced into things that you didn't willingly 'choose' to be a part of... this happens every day -- without the proper tools to analyze past experiences as I had said, it's easy to blur the relation between what was personal choice and what "happened to befall someone unfortunately" such as cancer.
Distortedbackdrop 1 year ago
furthermore, drugs exist in nature: drugs do not create addiction, just the means to access it by.. and a diabetic; they can CHOOSE to ALLOW themselves to become addicted to sugar and then develop diabetes without ever realizing why, cancer is also a 'dis-ease' they are all caused by the stress from a lack of the tools to appropriately sort past experiences, in correlation to what shows on the surface. I believe that is what gives AA room to deem it a "disease" but "disease" is stress, dis-ease
Distortedbackdrop 1 year ago
'Dis-order' in any level can cause a 'Dis-ease', from my own personal understanding and experience. I would have to say that addiction may cause a 'dis-ease' but in the very word addiction.. is 'a-diction'. Although this may be hard to grasp or prove, I remain firm that the only skeptic reacting to this will be someone other than myself, so take what you can get -- all areas of dis-ease are inherently produced by choice, they are all a reaction to something that doesn't belong in your life
Distortedbackdrop 1 year ago
Wrong, "D" Its a Disorder not a Disease
SharpieGirl126 1 year ago
Dr McCauley , I would like to ask you : What do you do when you started something that you should have never started in the first place? You know there things you should never start with,just because they are too hard to quit ,addictions..
Iamnotanub 1 year ago
@Iamnotanub Hi! What do we do if we start doing something we shouldn't have and now it has gotten away from us? Well, I think recriminations at this point aren't helpful. Sometimes people take risks they shouldn't. It would be nice if teenagers didn't drink or use drugs. But guess what ... they do! Now what? Getting into the solution is better than trying to analyze the problem. What can I put in that person's life that will make it more likely that they can move past that old mistake?
kevintmccauley1965 1 year ago
@kevintmccauley1965 I'm not sure but diseases are full of disease. and if a person looks long enough, they might never be healed. Jesus is the great Physician. Amen.
ileverette 1 year ago 2
@Iamnotanub (cont'd) I think the Public Health model is even more helpful than the medical model to address choice and health behaviors because it looks to the person's community, workplace, peers and family to influence their future choices, and to help them reconnect with the social norms, social support, and cultural values that can get them back on track.
kevintmccauley1965 1 year ago
@Iamnotanub (cont'd 2) But here's another problem your question raises - I call it the "First Choice" problem. It claims that "once the brain changes are underway, addiction is a disease - but the addict never should have taken that first drug!" Their culpability for all that follows rests within that First Choice. Okay, but think about this: 90% of schizophrenics smoke cigarettes. Was the choice they faced to start smoking the same as the choice you and I faced? I think there's a difference...
kevintmccauley1965 1 year ago
Of course the Medics and mind mechanics gonna say "it's a desease". How else are they to make an easy fortune. Their enterprising motto is "the world is full of gullible suckers begging to be swindled." So why disappoint them by being honest about the "mystique" of addiction? Like DUHH, it's an open and shut case, with them mercenary rascals.
SwarthySkinnedOne 1 year ago
Mankind is in bondage. They are all alone on a very big planet in a very big universe. Family and freinds help aswage the loneliness, but they don't completly relieve it. Addicition to pleasure is the natural result of trying to escape the loneliness and pain people find themselves in. Pleasure is pleasurable! So it, too, helps allieviate the feelings of isolation and helplessness.
The truth is, that there really is a God, we don't know this God because we are separated from Him. However, there
donsteigerwald 1 year ago
Do they ever pet the animals before hurting them severely? They could have a room where the animals are petted nicely maybe...Then after the severe hurting maybe they could pet them again, but maybe just pet around where the blood might be...or they could put a tube in there to take away the blood during the severe hurting. Then they could even pet them longer, or maybe pet them even where some of the red blood may be.
workbootcollective 1 year ago
Addiction is physiological; not an underlying personality problem or psychiatric illness (Although it can cause psychiatric illness in its later stages.)
I've been treating addicted clients for 20 years; certainly long enough to understand it. I won't present a lecture here...lol..but I'm surprised that in this day and age that people still debate it as a moral issue verses a chronic, progressive, primary and potentially fatal disease that can't be cured but can be managed.
dreamwitch1 1 year ago
@dreamwitch1 Thank you soooooooo much for your discerning and professional input. Really Thank You.
You definitely know what your talking about. I've been through 17 years of addiction and 5 years of deliverance from addiction. I wont preach to no one on here, but I know for myself that I am a new creation is Christ...Notice I said, "I"...I gave MY life to Christ and when I got to step 3 of Narcotics anonymous 12 step program, I was lead to the Bible and the process of renewing my mind. Tis ALL
TheCharity9 1 year ago
@TheCharity9 I appreciate your comment as well. I wish you well with your ongoing recovery. There will always be those who continue to attach stigma to this cunning and baffling disease. With understanding, comes support....and the recovering community can use all it can get.
dreamwitch1 1 year ago
People do actually choose to get dietbity, it is not genetacly, but it's the individual eating habbit tough by generations, making them think it's genetacly.
cattarest 1 year ago
Nearly 90% of people once considered according to the DSM-IV to have a substance abuse disease quit by age 30.
You can't decide at age 30 that it's time to grow up and quit cancer. We need to rethink our definition of what is a disease and mend it into the concept of social influence on our culture as a whole.
nicatnite2007 1 year ago
it is a disease with no cure u will have it forever like cancer u can fight it and put it into remission but it can always come back and if it comes back its just as bad as where u left off or worse
filthy6throat6fuck6 1 year ago
He's in the desert where Peyote (Lophophora) grows... perhaps that is why....
Addiction is NOT a disease, that's bullshit. people who think that are refusing to take responsibility for themselves and their addiction
Farfromhere001 1 year ago
Actually, people do greatly increase their risk of cancer due to certain behaviors. So maybe cancer isn't a disease. Also, type II diabetes may not be a disease by that logic.
MachineAmbition 1 year ago
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mdcombs79 1 year ago
Call it a disease if you want. But no disease compels you to drink against your will, no disease prevents you from quitting and no disease makes you relapse into drinking again. There is an element of choice, as well as an element of compulsion and brain chemistry, involved. Addiction involves both choice and disease.
prschuster 1 year ago
We wrote an article on, "Pornography being a brain disease." You can read more about it on hubpages /hub/Pornography-Addiction-is-a-Brain-Disease
innergold1000 1 year ago
Ok, here we go...
The definition of disease is;
"A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms." So yes, addiction is a disease.
RSchmittyNJ1 1 year ago
Try SMART Recovery. No spiritual requirements, and no one cares if you think it's a disease or not.
OldeFarquer 1 year ago
I think the most important question regarding "addiction" is, "How the f*ck do I stop this sh*t", not if it is or is not a disease. (of course AA's success @ PR has people thinking stuff like this).
BeauJames59 1 year ago
@BeauJames59 Actually, that's a pretty good point ... so let's say "Is it a disease?" is the SECOND most important question about addiction.
kevintmccauley1965 1 year ago 2
@kevintmccauley1965 Hello. I'm a bit more existential when it comes to this stuff. My next questions, and I don't think Youtube comment wars are helpful btw, is "Who has been in my situation and got out and how did they do it?" and "What do I have NOW in my life, or want to have in my life that is MORE important than drugs/alcohol?" If the disease concept helps people, great. But lots of alcoholics in bars, for example LOVE to claim they can't stop.
BeauJames59 1 year ago
@BeauJames59 AA? PR? LOL
RSchmittyNJ1 1 year ago
@BeauJames59 I think its a matter of dealing with the whole person but addiction itself is not a disease but a condition, the power of suggestion is not good the real affects to addiction is dealing with the physical cravings and the constant process of withdrawal which can be dealt with through having a better understanding to why it happens, environmental pressures are more the causes for people seeking any means of escape, meditation is good to calm the mind but takes practice
waypor1 1 year ago
@BeauJames59 Its takes time, but having an incentive is essential, the problem usually is centered around environmental conditionings the roboitics of familiarity, being conformed to who you think you are is conditioned by those around you being held to an identity that if often what we see that no one else knows, the onion peel sees whats real and accepts the past seeking change in being principled, often its the others who are not principled, principles before personalities..dont presume
waypor1 1 year ago
@waypor1 The concept that addiction is a disease causes a physical fixation due to the power of suggestion being the affects that are degrading in a symboilic society that does not take enough time in reflection to see the actual physical relationships, thats why people are often so fucked up in nthe head being more real that you think, you are being asked to believe in things that are not real, being real is the process of edicfication, AA is based in part on "I Corinthians XIV 14"
waypor1 1 year ago
@waypor1 The AA guide how it works is not how it really works, especially when it makes the claims of a higher power which is a form of religious cult, they also say the lords prayer which is a poem taken from the sermon on the mount and is grossely taken out of context being a philosphers attempt to define social structure and the causes to transgression, obvioulsy religions ideals do nothing for you me or them. Do your own math and get real seeing through your own bullshit and then others
waypor1 1 year ago
how many times did you have to rehearse this..u say ur a doctor..hmm ok you talk on diabetes ...btw u also brough up politics LOL a drug addict could care less about politics...ok with an illness it needs treated every day ..like diabetes...drug addiction..an illness of mind and body is a disease ...and needs treated everyday. U seem very well versed Im wondering if on the webite listed if ur trying to sell some thing...u are a good salesmen...
schoolbrat 1 year ago
nicely put. I still smoke weed tho lol
Megapineapple100 1 year ago
just because an addict isnt using drugs doesnt mean they arent an addict. There is a difference between being chemically dependent and being an addict.
erk7xl 1 year ago
I definatly think addiction is a disease!!
AmethystStarTV 1 year ago
what if your mom was pregnant with a herion addiction..that wasnt my choice
joemyersjr 1 year ago
recovered from a SEEMINGLY hopeless state of mind, the option of killing myself is off the table now and out of my mind.
12stepp 1 year ago
He's hot!
hellbent18 1 year ago
He's right. It's a multilayered hardcore question.
hellbent18 1 year ago
Can someone please explain why this guy is in the middle of a fucking desert?
Dannyod6504 1 year ago 21
@Dannyod6504 He's probably out looking for Mescaline! :P
DavidRandallCurtis 1 year ago
@Dannyod6504 He is on a personal journey that has taken 10 years. Of course he is now in the middle of nowhere. Give him another decade and he may reach the other side.
MachineAmbition 1 year ago
@Dannyod6504
Yeah, you bet. Because rolling green hills and densely fragrant forrest dehydrates his sun tan and give him the hiccups; well, that's what a tobacco and beauty supply merchant with diabetese and a broken foot,d eating black-eyed peas with Kentucy Fried Chicken necks in downtown Tokyo told me last summer, but you don't have to take his word for it. I didn't.
SwarthySkinnedOne 1 year ago
@Dannyod6504 He's tripping...
SubconsciousGatherer 1 year ago
@Dannyod6504 You ask "Why this guy is in the middle of a fucking desert?" I'm guessing because he'd rather relapse on peyote that grows out in the desert then the kind of bad crack cocaine that's available back in town.
madmanmantra 11 months ago
@madmanmantra Ha! Discovered!
kevintmccauley1965 9 months ago
@Dannyod6504 Vision quest.
kmcmanus 7 months ago
.@Dannyod6504 um... cause it makes gorgeous video. Perhaps the next clip will be filmed in a bathroom stall.
quintessential37 5 months ago
fucking gay vid. most important question? i dont give a fuck what you call it.
Jibbaribba 1 year ago
Coming off opiates made me realize how imbalanced by head really was. I still feel borderline psychotic to this day. To sum it up I think mental illness is the most appropriate category for addiction.
Krowsnose 1 year ago
Honestly I think addiction is just a mental illness that everyone has the potential to develop. A lot of people think everyone is susceptible to thinks like schizophrenia as well. There's a certain boundary that is crossed where rational thought falls out the window and you're merely an observer to your unstoppable self-destructive habits.
Krowsnose 1 year ago
Who cares whether it is a disease or not? Getting help is the important thing.
AA Alcoholics Anonymous describes addiction as cunning, baffling & powerful which basically means no one on earth really knows whether addiction is a disease or not..
John Bradshaw says codependents have to figure everything out. Have you talked to your counselor or therapist lately?
BillDiceVideos 1 year ago
Great video and explanation. I view addiction as a trained response to deal with life's issues. Addiction becomes a function of survival. What was once a choice becomes instinctive and destructive. Labeling and stereotyping the addict is never productive and as such I agree that many therapeutic models focus too much on the issue and labels rather than solutions. Life's choices create the compulsion of addiction and on the flip side, there are choices that can bring healing.
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mdcombs79 1 year ago
Uh, Kevin- your hot dude.
Not to take anything away from your message.
(smile)
rednop44 1 year ago
uh duh addiction is a disease
MrCannabisSativa 2 years ago
Of course drug use is almost always a choice. Its just that when the public has been well informed of the risks associated, do we than conclude that the majority of respiratory cancers (caused by smoking) are in fact "chosen" diseases, or do we insist that the people where just stupid or "out of control"? Because there's "no way" that so many millions of people could ever knowingly choose to die, by a bloody suffocating and long term gradual painful death of respiratory cancers.
Sex > Herpes?
Breezedoner 2 years ago
@Breezedoner Sorry but you don't know shit. Drugs kill your neurotransmitters and some of them replace them (such as opiates). Drugs take away all of your emotions when sober, you're completely dull, empty, depressed wreck. Drugs move the line of happines to the highest possible point which makes nothing as enjoying as it was when sober. You have shown your ignorance by comparing craves for sex to craves for drugs. Craves for drugs are unimaginable for you my friend. You don't just want it.
Morr1992 1 year ago
@Breezedoner You miss it. It's the only thought in your head. You try to imagine the feeling but can't, you fantasy about it, you have dreams about it. You miss it more than a little child misses his mom. You desperately try to get the feeling again, no matter how. It's like a neverending "summer love". The itense euphoria you get from drugs such as cocaine or morphine are unimaginable. I can't even imagine it now after 2 years of using. I have to repeat it to remind myself the feeling.
Morr1992 1 year ago
@Morr1992 Look man, I'm not gonna insult your shit by pointing out that either your an ex... or you work in the field, but don't assume that I don't know what a craving is. It's quiet clear that certain drugs like heroin and alcohol illicit a response in us that brings out the defensivness, and greediness in us. All I was saying is that the problem isn't a drug problem it's a human problem... and ppl have done just as fucked up of things to get food money and sex as they have to get "drugs".
Breezedoner 1 year ago
@Morr1992 Obviously this is an emotional issue, for many including you... and I. I do not dispute that tolerance to certain "drugs" can completely eliminate the utility of the native neurotransmitters... much as cars have done to legs. The issue is whether or not u can prove that drugs have removed freewill from the ppl enough that is is constitutional or at all ethical, to step in and say that the peoples decisions arent there own, and should be made for them... thats bypassing freewil bro!
Breezedoner 1 year ago
@Breezedoner Either way you don't know a thing. It takes over your free will and your soul in every aspect. It changes you, how you think, your feelings. It goes into your instinct. The choice may be thinking about having some chocolate or sex with world miss 2009 because that's where you have the councious control over your choice.
Morr1992 1 year ago
@Morr1992 Gets into your instincts???? Maybe our instincts just weren't perfect... hello. I think that the effects of overpopulation, HIV, and HEP(s), among other problems to say the least caused BY INSTINCTS such as the "sex drive" have been and are today still far bigger threats to most communities than drug "addiction".
Breezedoner 1 year ago
its addiction, then it's disease. choice, then the real thing. the oblivious problems becomes the obvious ones.
Ghaiyst 2 years ago
Addiction can be a sign of underlying mental disease though.
Jesusfleabop 2 years ago 7
ADDICTION IS A DISEASE just as Diabetes is a disease both of which THERE IS NO CURE for
xyael1 2 years ago
a disease is any disturbance or anomaly in the normal functioning of the body that probably has a specific cause and identifiable symptoms.
When physically addicted to drugs, your body goes through physical changes and starts depending on that drug to function normally.
rosko85 2 years ago
Oh Thank you Thank you!!! That is what they were telling me! DENIAL! What a bunch of excuses can we make up next to sweep everything under the rug and blame it on something else!!!!! The same goes for everthing in Galations chapter 5:19 Its acts of sinful nature, No self control!!!
AngeliaClaire 2 years ago
@AngeliaClaire Have you ever experience addiction? Have you ever walked in the shoes of someone that has had to deal with this? NO Then read John 10:16. Also read the whole Book of Exodus. Pay attention then they talk about them getting bitten by the snakes what does God do to help them. Then read Matt 7:5.
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
@Godlyguitarman you don't know me shut UP!!!!!! How do snakes and alcohol go hand in hand? That is just stupid. Yes, Eve should have had self control or we might not be having these silly remarks!!!! Peace!!!!
AngeliaClaire 2 years ago
@AngeliaClaire How silly is that you didn't even read the things that I suggested and then tell me that is just stupid. It isn't the snakes read the reading then come back. Also you didn't answer the questions then you must not be an addict so think about this: talk about something you have experiences on. Also pissing on my leg then telling me Peace. How old are you?
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
@Godlyguitarman Oh how old are YOU? Get a life.
AngeliaClaire 2 years ago
its a learning behaviour
cake363 2 years ago
The most important question about addiction? How to get out of it!
To call the question of whether it is a disease is to beg the questions based on assumptions made by the 12 Step Industry.......again, pretty film....and at the end of the day, all I really want is for people to have a good life, 12 Step programs have shown to work no better than people quitting on their own.
BeauJames59 2 years ago
@BeauJames59 Ok that is why the AMA and the CMA have declared it a disease? BTW that wasn't thought up by the 12 step program. Check you resources. Also if more people got clean on there own then why is it that the medical and detox centers stay full? They don't I tried more time to quit by my self only to got back.
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
@Godlyguitarman Picking fueds on YOUTUBE is so lame! BORING!
AngeliaClaire 2 years ago
@AngeliaClaire so why are you doing it?
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
@Godlyguitarman are you high? Go get help!
AngeliaClaire 2 years ago
@AngeliaClaire as a matter of fact I am as high on life as anyone can be.
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
Truth isn't determined by committee or democratic vote. The fact that the majority of folks thought the world was flat during Colombus' time, even if it included royal societies was false. Your argument about medical centers fails because the majority of addicts never see those places. Finally just because you failed, doen't prove anything. The more people try to quit, the more likely they are to succeed.
BeauJames59 2 years ago
@Godlyguitarman. Truth isn't determined by committee or democratic vote. The fact that the majority of folks thought the world was flat during Colombus' time, even if it included royal societies was false. Your argument about medical centers fails because the majority of addicts never see those places. Finally just because you failed, doen't prove anything. The more people try to quit, the more likely they are to succeed.
BeauJames59 2 years ago
@BeauJames59 your arugment of just because I fail and thousands of others that agree with me( 10's of thousands). With first hand experience isnot the same as the world being flat they believed that the world was flat because of people like you saying crap that they have not experienced. Also where do you think that addicts detox? Centers and medical centers. They see them to get the drugs out with the help from docs.
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
OK "godlyguitarman". No possible number of people going to detox COULD prove it's a disease. That would ONLY prove they detoxed. You don't seem to understand that the truth/falsity of your position isn't determined by the numbers at all. You go ahead and have the last word, and I wish you the best.
BeauJames59 2 years ago
Addiction is only in place when someone cannot stop, the habit forms physical mannerisms there are many forms of addiciton the words its self is repugnant without isolating the real explanations to the term. Addiction is mental obsession combined with the physical triggers, so the recovery process in mental and physically related; What forms the original obssession is indivdual so there is no global explaination that is why people often argue which becomes redundent
NeoOneOrg 2 years ago
Most people I know, even ones that it doesn't disrupt their lives to drink a little too much now & then, will say they had only 2 or 3 drinks when I've noticed that they've had much more. Strong compulsion, not choice or disease.
I had an addiction to shoplifting. Sometimes the urge to take something, often what I couldn't use, would overwhelm me. I stopped after being arrested. I occasionally get strong urge to steal, but I talk abt it, respect it, leave store,urge more powerful than a choice.
starbugster 2 years ago
I don't think it is fair to say that addiciton is a choice. I don't have a problem with alcohol, but I didn't know that until I took the first drink. Most people I know think they don't have a problem w/ alcohol, but it is so obvious to me that they do. If a person has to drink to feel good or to avoid pain, that person is dangerously close to being an addict. I drink very few times a year, to socialize with someone, but even then, I don't like feeling out of control, so I stop at 1 or 2 drinks.
starbugster 2 years ago
I am writing a book that brings many things into perspective, language and communication are the biggest social containments in preventing change..
NeoOneOrg 2 years ago
I guess what its called to me seems pertinent more in that labeling someone is a greater issue in this world, I feel that since that the cause of addiction is explainable it is simply a conditioning of a habit to use the word disease is simply more repugnant; I write about economics and how materialism is essentially the issue with our technological evolution, addiction or obsessive behaviour is related to the fact that there is no true psychology which becomes the language for perception.
NeoOneOrg 2 years ago
once you have heard it then you cannot say that you don't know what it sounds like. I would love for you to join me to explain what you have said to a few others that are so called experts of addiction and the 12 steps. PM me if want to look at what I am talking about before you get in. Thanks
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
Well in my case and many others that I have talk to it was something like sex abuse or some kind of abuse. I would label that as the "pre-addiction" stage. I would over do almost everything: sports, Teakwondo, eating, acceptence, whatever it was I was trying to do it all the time at 150%. So when I felt like I didn't measure up to what I thought then I would quit. Until I tried drugs. I also have a few addicts in my family. I explain being an addict for life like hearing a bell ring....
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
its not a desease. it is 100% the individual. ppl can say its whatever they want it to be but they're always avoiding the truth.
FREExYOURxHATE 2 years ago
Where is your proof? People also try to use reasoning to explain things they have never experienced. So are you coming from experiences or just standing outside and assuming you have an answer because you "think" you know?
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
It is a science of application which requires an application to your own mind, what do you not agree with, Hans George Gadamer called this process Herneneutics which is a process of learning, and yes it is through learning that In understand what I write, subject to many interpretations meaning we all have our own way to expression.
NeoOneOrg 2 years ago
Kevin the one part you left out is why you started using in the first place. Then mind only repeat to what feels good. So the real question come to this if you believed that using was an answer how is that a disease. the using is a choice the core issues is the disease. Most people look at the drugs addiction isn't mostly about the using it is why they started using and the why you contiune to use. I respect your position but disagree with your opinion
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
Eexactly. The drug use itself is actually a SYMPTOM that occurs. When the addict doesn't know how do deal with the core issues he has, he self-medicates by using. IT'S NOT THE DRUGS, PEOPLE!!!! If an addict doesn't start using a drug, then he would probably become addicted to sex, gambling, work, religion, or develop some kind of obsessive compulsive behavior. Many people choose to use drugs, no one chooses to be an addict; they just are. Anyone who has been to one AA meeting knows that.
andymac7420 2 years ago
Most people don't know this simple little fact. They only look at the drug use. So when someone stop using the world around them thinks that he is "cured". So when they use again it really confuses them. I know after doing the 12 steps with a sponcer that I was an addict way before I used any drugs. What I would really like to see is for those people who "think" that addiction isn't a diease to feel that feeling of not having a choice to use or you feel like you are going to die if you don't.
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
Obsession for most people is to seek a lost feeling, I know what you are saying about the fear you sensed before you ever picked up a drug,,,that is likely related to having perhaps been living around that influence and it becomes the power of suggestion; This gets easy and hard to explain because the basis to this begins with a choice we make based upon the confidence we sense about who or what we are; The aspects to obsessive behaviors are explainable based upon many factors...
NeoOneOrg 2 years ago
Twelve step programs purpose is to change simply the way we think, a process of the forth step simply getting honest is easy to explain but harder to understand while applying it... This relates to the science of perception which is what I write about which no one has done to the greater extent asme; I explain the roots to the cause, which I feel begins in the first loss when we seek acceptance for who we are which leads to consumption,,,The Bible Cain goes to the land of Nod.
NeoOneOrg 2 years ago
awesome
rosa79106 2 years ago
it's only a disease if ur addicted. if ur recovered, what is it that u recovered from? it might just signify a state of being that destroys health & finally kills the addict if left 2 it's own devices. great presentation however
ronaldreika 2 years ago
Bravo!! But do u agree that is a disease or choice?
sil3ntmode 2 years ago
OMG my last name is McCaulley
thats alittle crazy
ILuvSpringAwakening2 2 years ago
I have been in recovery since 7/11/08, I have taken the spiritual path, to reach were I am today, and I often tell people that I made the monster, drugs can not hurt me until I choose to put them in my body
recovery711 2 years ago
Its a choice which can become obsession or habit, not a disease, telling people its a disease is simply misinformation like so many forms of communication, read my blog about self measure, the key in recovery is edifying perception through replacing what we do not know with knowing what we know, being what we are when we are where we are saying what we mean meaning what we say, knowing what we know when we need to know it, without presuming to know who we are through thecollectiveeyeofperception
NeoOneOrg 2 years ago
Your faith is within reach and everytime you think deep enough to put your feelings on paper you awaken those feelings that has been embedded within your soul. I pray to the heavens for your wings to spread and guide you over all your trials so the reflection that you see will be the angel within you. Stay true to yourself without doubt and what you desire and believe in will grow right before you. journey has begun @ second chance! for everyone!
truethatdave 2 years ago
Thanks for this clip!!
pens26 2 years ago