you animal rights activists are a waste of time,i am all for animal rights,even though i am not a vegetarian,my gripe is the barbaric ritually slaughtered halal meat thats on sale in every supermarket in europe,10s of 1000s of higher evolved animals are slaughtered cruely and inhumanely and what do you do?march and protest over the deaths of a few lab rats that are killed in order to progress mankinds fight against cancers/diseases,i guess hurting the feelings of jews/muslims is too much for you
@VeganDave001 i am a pet owner and i am against unnecessary animal cruelty,just because people eat meat doesn't make them inhumane,you have avoided my point completely,which is why do you not openly condemn the barbaric,slow ritual slaughters of animals that are kiiled in other to make halal and kosher products?these animals are not even stunned but have their throats cut,whilst other panicky animals queue up and await their turn, it seems like you have double standards when it comes to cruelty
@DuckingNDiving I did not avoid your point, I pointed out your contradiction between calling yourself "all for animal rights" and admitting that you ate animals!
Campaigners are against all animal killing (hence the irony of you calling yourself an AR advocate whilst eating them) not just one specific type of cruelty (hence all the various campaigns on my channel!!!).
The point I have to ask, is if you care so much, why are you not campaigning against that which so disgusts you ?
@VeganDave001 this practice is also common place inthe UK and Europe where nearly all meat for human consumption is killed according to the norms of the muslim practice,you claim to be an activist,but yet you prefer to save a lab rat than a baby lamb from getting its cut slowly cut,where is your outrage over this comon practice?a lot more people would have more respect for you if you were more consistant,dutch animal rights groups are making a stand about this issue,so where is yours?
@DuckingNDiving First of all, where do I claim to be an activist ? Secondly, if such slaughter of animals so disgusts you, what do you do about it ? (Let me know when your next campaign is and I may pop along and video it if I'm free.) Thirdly do you understand now why it was so ironic you claimed to be "all for animal rights" whilst consuming animal flesh ? Fourth - have you watched any of the videos from UK slaughterhouses ?
animal testing is cruel. back in 1986 i was a proud member of tynside animal rights activists group and yes i would do it all again........ as for our so called wonderfull police force what is your correct title phrase for all coppers who dont know this shame on you all , as your founder JOHN PEELER would be ashamed to be in charge today. your peel has gone green and sour .
'erm' Dave, I have a question for you - you know how throughout the comments on this video you strongly state that you don't demonstrate and that you are simply a journalist there to film events? How do you explain the film on the NAR page (being filmed from a different angle to you) which shows you holding/waving demo posters and actively involved when you're not filming at several points in the protest of 16/9? The video refers to you and the rest of the participants as 'activists'.
No, I comment on each video individually....I've also stated many times I'm a campaigner too...erm...perhaps you should read what I write, not what you'd have liked me to write!
Also of course, don't forget the old journo trick of getting a feel for things, analysing all perspectives, etc....
No erm Dave you're in correct as I did read what you wrote. You commented against your version of the video for that demo the following "You still don't understand! I wasn't given permission to demonstrate as I wasn't there to demonstrate!".
Are you therefore saying that you were, in actual fact, an 'undercover' demonstrator that day?
"assuming you can count" - that's, as you put it yourself, a bit of a sweeping misconception. Can I count?.... yes I can funnily enough, and find it's a handy skill to have as a chartered accountant. As for 'bigotry' - if you mean by that an intolerance of people who masquerade as something that they are not, then I suppose I am. What have the police got to do with you being an active demonstrator? Retorting with a deflecting left-field question....are you an undercover polititian now also?
Thanks for confirming this for us erm Dave. I'd assumed it was all just a misunderstanding, but fair play to you for sharing your knowledge of the situation.
erm Dave, what is this irony and...erm.... sarcasm you speak of? I don't understand. Irony.... is that something to do with keeping clothing crease free?
Erm...I don't demonstrate I mainly film such! Sorry if it's difficult for you to understand, but you'll just have to put up with your misconceptions as it can't be mroe easily stated!
Don't know what the weather was like up there, my work takes me all around the country and I believe I was around Glasgow at the time.
Unsure, haven't heard from Jon - why don't you contact him to ask as ...erm... this isn't his page.
I think you need to look up the facts of the case,oh and discuss it with Jon, not me!
I didn't protest at the factory, I filmed the protests - not sure why you find this so difficult to comprehend, hopefully repitition will overcome the blinkers.
Erm because I'm a journalist, I film I don't rescue puppies ?!!!! (Another simple concept I'm sure you'll have difficulty understanding!).
Erm..the last I heard, the police had Jon's computer, which may account for his lack of online prescence!
You say he was stealing? have you any facts that would back up your claim? .. i very much doubt it!!
You also state "thousands of puppies have died because you and jonny boy didn't protest at the Sanofi factory"
Hasn't your intelligence woken up to the fact that jonny boy and dave are their for the animals??
Hasn't your intelligence woken up to the fact that the reason why thousands of puppies die .. is thanks to people like yourself and the sheer ignorance that you display??
3young unwashed people standing on a street corner depending on arrests/weather/etc with a banner is hardly being there for the animals, go to HLS or sanofi headoffices, my intelligence tells me that , does yours not Mr magic? thanks for posting though, another fool to play with.
What make me laugh more than anything about you people is that you think of yourselves as radicals but in fact you're more part of the establishment than any of us. "relevant bulletin board .. specifically set up for discussion" - Is this a SHAC, Police or Government approved board? Will my comments be removed by Commissar vegandave if the truth commission disagrees? The way things are going soon I'll have to get an injunction to post on youtube - what ever happened to free speech?
Please point me to whatever I've stated which makes you believe I "think of myself as radical"...
Also, I presume you're talking about all freelance journalists, since you find a freelance journalist site the appropriate place to put such comments ?
Oh and yes, I do remove most of the silliest comments, but don't get around to them all, given I spend most of my time travelling around working - removing stupid comments from pages isn't high up on the list of priorities when I have free time
I'm intrigued, if you're not a radical; but are a freelance journalist, where does that put you - somewhere near Simon Heffer? Calling yourself "Vegan" isn't mainstream, I'm baffled - give me a clue! Where do your sympathies lie?
As for freelance, that implies that you're paid when your reports are published. Given that Youtube doesn't pay, who does? Is it the same wealthy establishment figure who also pays the demonstrators legal fees?
Ah so you can't point me to where I've stated I'm a radical, consider that as a misconception too - though I doubt you can understand this.
Vegan isn't mainstream ? Well, vegan food and drink at eating establishments as I travel around the UK, so I think you can consider this another misconception.
Yes, I'm paid when my reports are published but as my published work generally isn't about demos, etc, it's unlikely I'd be paid by someone who pays legal fees! Another misconception.
Firstly please don't insult me by suggesting I don't understand what a misconception is.
What I don't understand, because in my view you are guilty of obfuscation, is your position on Animal Rights. From what you have said above, I understand you are not paid to report on Animal Rights demonstrations. Either this is because of incompetent bookkeeping or because you support the aims of the demonstrators.
Do you support the aims of the demonstrators in the video?
Yes I would have expected journalists to remain impartial, which is why I don't regard you as one, more a propagandist.
For some reason the demonstrators feel that overreaction by the Police or public, when deliberately placed under stress, advances their cause, your job being to give this maximum publicity. Just read the comments about Police behaviour, the IPCC, etc to see what I mean.
Not really crusading journalism, more taking advantage of ordinary people placed in difficult situations.
Did you remove my comment about SHAC, arson and assault? I suppose that you people who spend all your time in the company of other fanatics find it a bit of a shock when your opinions are challenged. As for journalist, 'vegan' dave rather suggests that your reporting might be more propaganda than news.
Yeah - sometimes I don't have the time to respond to such pointless comments and just delete them, y'know ?
Happy to put you right over your (obvious) misconceptions in the other Newcastle vid, but if you wish to comment about fanaticism, arson, assault, etc, then please comment about such on a relevant bulletin board which is specifically set up for discussion!
Make whatever silly slurs on my character you wish, just shows off your bigotry, you know ?
What happened to freedom of speech erm Dave? Deleting my comment..... hint: naughty naughty. As I said in my deleted comment -- if you post videos then you should expect folk to comment on them. Leave it to Newcastle AR to post their own videos if you aren't prepared to accept responsibility. 'Just following orders' excuse doesn't work these days.
What a ridiculous comment! Do you expect all journalists to answer questions posed of the tactics of their subject matter ?!!!!!
If so, I assume you have a very busy life trying to track down all the journalists/camera persons on all the video you watch across modern media!
Otherwise, I'm completely stumped as to why you can't grasp the concept of a demo not being the responsibility of the person filming! It's fairly simple really, not sure why it's taking so many posts for you to get it!
Dave, you post editorial comments/opinions within some of your videos and on some of the info about them (i've watched them all you'll be pleased to know). In my opinion you can't therefore totally absolve yourself of responsibility for the videos you post and the message they send out. I'll leave my comments there and let you get back to your good work. Note that I'm all for what the demonstrators are trying to achieve - it's only the methods that I think could be improved in this case.
I accept responsibility for the videos I post and the editorial comments I make of/within them, but I can't be held responsible for the tactics of the demonstrations/subjects of the filming I do.
You can't seriously expect me to answer questions on the tactics used by the group/org I'm filming.
Ever heard of a rhetorical question Dave? This is a comments section.... as the title suggests, people post comments/opinions about the videos and their contents. It's as simple as that. It sounds like you were you expecting comments to revolve around your editing skills and cinematography when you posted the videos e.g. why you used an earthquake effect at the start of the 'Merck Sharp & Dohme Protest' video!
Erm: pity you attempt to clever be with comments but dont answer the argument above.
Whatever you protest about , they will get NO local support talking to the residents in the manner you and good old jonathan did.
Why do you video or shout abuse to the police
HINT : they are there to protect you only.
Listen to what people are saying: ie dont shout in the street near to houses : dont shout when children are on their way from school : dont block pavements causing people to walk around
I do NOT have or know of anyone who has "involvement" with the company. if you spoke to residents with respect instead of abuse , you would get it back. People cannot pick their neighbours!
the people who work in sanofi wont have a say in how it is run , you should target their headoffices , or is that too far away from the dole office?
Oh yeah and when I turned my car around in the entrance to Sanofi's factory I had 'Puppy Killer' shouted at me. Rather than 'raising the awareness of the public' the tactics of NAR do nothing but alienate the local residents against them, scare children and cause people to have to cross a busy road unnecessarily to get passed them. These aren't the actions of reasonable, rational, responsible adults. Discuss
Well, the high court injunction stipulates that they have the right to be there and can use two megaphones for an hour...
So it would seem the High Court considers their actions to be that of reasonable protest, rational, responsible, etc....discuss away!
Also, the local police are very supportive of their right to demonstrate and as there's always a police presence, the lack of arrests would indicate a lack of laws being broken!
But hiding behind the law doesn't negate the fact that this is a residential street where people have to live. How do you justify waking up nightshift workers who work in a hospital? What about their human rights to live peacefully? You hold your human rights in very high regard and quote them often enough but seem to have no consideration for the rights of others. What if that nurse makes a mistake because of sleep deprivation? Will that be his or her fault? Sanofi's fault? or your fault?
You didn't answer the question tho did you? Is it because you can't justify what your doing when it affects others? Or is it because your arguements fall flat when faced with equally well made and reasoned arguement? It is easier to shout emotive insults at passing cars at the top of your lungs. I do sympathise with the cause but not on a residential street. The video of MSD affected no one because people don't have to live close to the noise which is being made
I pointed out there's far more noise on a regular level from lorries, etc...
I also pointed out (read the channel id) that this channel is to display my videos, not to answer questions which should be directed at the represented group (in this case Newcastle Animal Rights) not at me or my vids!
Is the point of a demonstration not to raise awareness and get the general public on side? Protesting in a residential area, in theory, should be done to sway local opinion against the target of the demonstration. A more effective tactic would be to leaflet drop the local residents and then peacefully and quietly show a presence. The locals would be happy at the quiet and would be more likely to support the protestors. As things stand it would seem as though the residents are hacked off.
Although I agree that peaceful demonstration is one of the ways this country still remains more or less 'free', spare a thought when demonstrating for the folks who live in Fawdon. I have some friends that live there that work night shift (carers/nurses) and they have extreme difficulty sleeping when there are people shouting on megaphones. Please try to keep it down, your presence is enough to protest. Cheers. Alex
Oh I don't know! I can't comment on the arrests as I didn't fully witness them and at the moment I'm not sure if there are any impending court cases!
I don't think the video is anti-police (and certainly don't want it taken as such) as the police on the whole did facilitate the march and I've seen such instances where in similar circumstances many other protestors were arrested (for pushing officers or breaking an injunction).
Hi Aran - well after watching my vids of illegal arrests, etc, you should know about me!
Sometimes though, it isn't a choice; as stated I can't comment on the arrests as I didn't personally witness them, but I have no problems whatsoever with the way the rest of the demo was policed.
No fit teams, police kept a distance to ensure the march could progress unhindered, at Fawdon the police were going out of their way not to make arrests!
you animal rights activists are a waste of time,i am all for animal rights,even though i am not a vegetarian,my gripe is the barbaric ritually slaughtered halal meat thats on sale in every supermarket in europe,10s of 1000s of higher evolved animals are slaughtered cruely and inhumanely and what do you do?march and protest over the deaths of a few lab rats that are killed in order to progress mankinds fight against cancers/diseases,i guess hurting the feelings of jews/muslims is too much for you
DuckingNDiving 8 months ago
@DuckingNDiving You are all for "animal rights" yet you are not a vegetarian....I see you don't actually understand the term "animal rights" then!
VeganDave001 8 months ago
@VeganDave001 i am a pet owner and i am against unnecessary animal cruelty,just because people eat meat doesn't make them inhumane,you have avoided my point completely,which is why do you not openly condemn the barbaric,slow ritual slaughters of animals that are kiiled in other to make halal and kosher products?these animals are not even stunned but have their throats cut,whilst other panicky animals queue up and await their turn, it seems like you have double standards when it comes to cruelty
DuckingNDiving 8 months ago
@DuckingNDiving I did not avoid your point, I pointed out your contradiction between calling yourself "all for animal rights" and admitting that you ate animals!
Campaigners are against all animal killing (hence the irony of you calling yourself an AR advocate whilst eating them) not just one specific type of cruelty (hence all the various campaigns on my channel!!!).
The point I have to ask, is if you care so much, why are you not campaigning against that which so disgusts you ?
VeganDave001 8 months ago
@VeganDave001 this practice is also common place inthe UK and Europe where nearly all meat for human consumption is killed according to the norms of the muslim practice,you claim to be an activist,but yet you prefer to save a lab rat than a baby lamb from getting its cut slowly cut,where is your outrage over this comon practice?a lot more people would have more respect for you if you were more consistant,dutch animal rights groups are making a stand about this issue,so where is yours?
DuckingNDiving 8 months ago
@DuckingNDiving First of all, where do I claim to be an activist ? Secondly, if such slaughter of animals so disgusts you, what do you do about it ? (Let me know when your next campaign is and I may pop along and video it if I'm free.) Thirdly do you understand now why it was so ironic you claimed to be "all for animal rights" whilst consuming animal flesh ? Fourth - have you watched any of the videos from UK slaughterhouses ?
VeganDave001 8 months ago
animal testing is cruel. back in 1986 i was a proud member of tynside animal rights activists group and yes i would do it all again........ as for our so called wonderfull police force what is your correct title phrase for all coppers who dont know this shame on you all , as your founder JOHN PEELER would be ashamed to be in charge today. your peel has gone green and sour .
buzbybuggle1 11 months ago
you guys are awesome!!!!
justalittlenutsy 1 year ago
Lol - he's fun to play with when I've got a few minutes and nothing better to do....
VeganDave001 2 years ago
'erm' Dave, I have a question for you - you know how throughout the comments on this video you strongly state that you don't demonstrate and that you are simply a journalist there to film events? How do you explain the film on the NAR page (being filmed from a different angle to you) which shows you holding/waving demo posters and actively involved when you're not filming at several points in the protest of 16/9? The video refers to you and the rest of the participants as 'activists'.
bridgemr2 2 years ago
No, I comment on each video individually....I've also stated many times I'm a campaigner too...erm...perhaps you should read what I write, not what you'd have liked me to write!
Also of course, don't forget the old journo trick of getting a feel for things, analysing all perspectives, etc....
VeganDave001 2 years ago
No erm Dave you're in correct as I did read what you wrote. You commented against your version of the video for that demo the following "You still don't understand! I wasn't given permission to demonstrate as I wasn't there to demonstrate!".
Are you therefore saying that you were, in actual fact, an 'undercover' demonstrator that day?
bridgemr2 2 years ago
Lol, I was an openly freelance journalist going undercover as a campaigner masquerading as a journalist going undercover as a campaigner....
I like that one, it's endless!
Anyway, as you know, the question is : How many vids have I posted, out of these how many show the police in a bad way ?
When you've answered this (assuming you can count) then I'd be happy to debate your obvious bigotry and misconceptions!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
"assuming you can count" - that's, as you put it yourself, a bit of a sweeping misconception. Can I count?.... yes I can funnily enough, and find it's a handy skill to have as a chartered accountant. As for 'bigotry' - if you mean by that an intolerance of people who masquerade as something that they are not, then I suppose I am. What have the police got to do with you being an active demonstrator? Retorting with a deflecting left-field question....are you an undercover polititian now also?
bridgemr2 2 years ago
please.....write on video slogans....j love you from Milano
guastafestelecco 2 years ago
YOU ARE HEROES..........hello from Milano italy
guastafestelecco 2 years ago
"Yeah, of course he was stealing"
Thanks for confirming this for us erm Dave. I'd assumed it was all just a misunderstanding, but fair play to you for sharing your knowledge of the situation.
bridgemr2 2 years ago
Ah, I should have assumed sarcasm and irony would have been beyond your grasp!
Not to worry...keep posting the childish comments, if that's what keeps you amused!
I'm off working for a few days....will look forward to reading ...erm... intelligent comment* upon my return.
*Note - contains irony and sarcasm.
VeganDave001 2 years ago
erm Dave, what is this irony and...erm.... sarcasm you speak of? I don't understand. Irony.... is that something to do with keeping clothing crease free?
bridgemr2 2 years ago
He's from the USA, so may not get irony
99cclarke 2 years ago
21st oct
you didnt demo today.
was it raining too much Dave ?
How is Jon after his fraud arrest?
Shame Shame Shame on him stealing the puppies money.
0191me 2 years ago
Erm...I don't demonstrate I mainly film such! Sorry if it's difficult for you to understand, but you'll just have to put up with your misconceptions as it can't be mroe easily stated!
Don't know what the weather was like up there, my work takes me all around the country and I believe I was around Glasgow at the time.
Unsure, haven't heard from Jon - why don't you contact him to ask as ...erm... this isn't his page.
LOL! Yeah, of course he was stealing!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
but he was stealing Dave, wheres the puppies money then Dave?
thousands of puppies have died because you and jonny boy didnt protest at the sanofi factory.
why not go hls to rescue the puppies or sanofi headquarters to protest/film whilst on your travels Dave? erm, jonny boy appears to be keeping a low
profile, wonder why , dont you Dave ?
0191me 2 years ago
I think you need to look up the facts of the case,oh and discuss it with Jon, not me!
I didn't protest at the factory, I filmed the protests - not sure why you find this so difficult to comprehend, hopefully repitition will overcome the blinkers.
Erm because I'm a journalist, I film I don't rescue puppies ?!!!! (Another simple concept I'm sure you'll have difficulty understanding!).
Erm..the last I heard, the police had Jon's computer, which may account for his lack of online prescence!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
a journalist? thats funny.
missing again this week, poor poor puppies.
not really dedicated to the pups are you ?
0191me 2 years ago
You say he was stealing? have you any facts that would back up your claim? .. i very much doubt it!!
You also state "thousands of puppies have died because you and jonny boy didn't protest at the Sanofi factory"
Hasn't your intelligence woken up to the fact that jonny boy and dave are their for the animals??
Hasn't your intelligence woken up to the fact that the reason why thousands of puppies die .. is thanks to people like yourself and the sheer ignorance that you display??
AnimalMagic1 2 years ago
raided and nicked for fraud, up in court in dec!
3young unwashed people standing on a street corner depending on arrests/weather/etc with a banner is hardly being there for the animals, go to HLS or sanofi headoffices, my intelligence tells me that , does yours not Mr magic? thanks for posting though, another fool to play with.
0191me 2 years ago
What make me laugh more than anything about you people is that you think of yourselves as radicals but in fact you're more part of the establishment than any of us. "relevant bulletin board .. specifically set up for discussion" - Is this a SHAC, Police or Government approved board? Will my comments be removed by Commissar vegandave if the truth commission disagrees? The way things are going soon I'll have to get an injunction to post on youtube - what ever happened to free speech?
99cclarke 2 years ago 3
Please point me to whatever I've stated which makes you believe I "think of myself as radical"...
Also, I presume you're talking about all freelance journalists, since you find a freelance journalist site the appropriate place to put such comments ?
Oh and yes, I do remove most of the silliest comments, but don't get around to them all, given I spend most of my time travelling around working - removing stupid comments from pages isn't high up on the list of priorities when I have free time
VeganDave001 2 years ago
I'm intrigued, if you're not a radical; but are a freelance journalist, where does that put you - somewhere near Simon Heffer? Calling yourself "Vegan" isn't mainstream, I'm baffled - give me a clue! Where do your sympathies lie?
As for freelance, that implies that you're paid when your reports are published. Given that Youtube doesn't pay, who does? Is it the same wealthy establishment figure who also pays the demonstrators legal fees?
99cclarke 2 years ago
Ah so you can't point me to where I've stated I'm a radical, consider that as a misconception too - though I doubt you can understand this.
Vegan isn't mainstream ? Well, vegan food and drink at eating establishments as I travel around the UK, so I think you can consider this another misconception.
Yes, I'm paid when my reports are published but as my published work generally isn't about demos, etc, it's unlikely I'd be paid by someone who pays legal fees! Another misconception.
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Firstly please don't insult me by suggesting I don't understand what a misconception is.
What I don't understand, because in my view you are guilty of obfuscation, is your position on Animal Rights. From what you have said above, I understand you are not paid to report on Animal Rights demonstrations. Either this is because of incompetent bookkeeping or because you support the aims of the demonstrators.
Do you support the aims of the demonstrators in the video?
99cclarke 2 years ago
Have you ever heard of remaining impartial as a journalist ?
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Yes I would have expected journalists to remain impartial, which is why I don't regard you as one, more a propagandist.
For some reason the demonstrators feel that overreaction by the Police or public, when deliberately placed under stress, advances their cause, your job being to give this maximum publicity. Just read the comments about Police behaviour, the IPCC, etc to see what I mean.
Not really crusading journalism, more taking advantage of ordinary people placed in difficult situations.
99cclarke 2 years ago
Did you remove my comment about SHAC, arson and assault? I suppose that you people who spend all your time in the company of other fanatics find it a bit of a shock when your opinions are challenged. As for journalist, 'vegan' dave rather suggests that your reporting might be more propaganda than news.
99cclarke 2 years ago 2
Yeah - sometimes I don't have the time to respond to such pointless comments and just delete them, y'know ?
Happy to put you right over your (obvious) misconceptions in the other Newcastle vid, but if you wish to comment about fanaticism, arson, assault, etc, then please comment about such on a relevant bulletin board which is specifically set up for discussion!
Make whatever silly slurs on my character you wish, just shows off your bigotry, you know ?
Find something better to do!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Move away from the crime scene .. there was no crime!!
CLOSE DOWN HLS!!
FUCK THE POLICE .. THEY ARE MUPPETS FOR THE ABUSERS!!
AnimalMagic1 2 years ago
What happened to freedom of speech erm Dave? Deleting my comment..... hint: naughty naughty. As I said in my deleted comment -- if you post videos then you should expect folk to comment on them. Leave it to Newcastle AR to post their own videos if you aren't prepared to accept responsibility. 'Just following orders' excuse doesn't work these days.
bridgemr2 2 years ago
What a ridiculous comment! Do you expect all journalists to answer questions posed of the tactics of their subject matter ?!!!!!
If so, I assume you have a very busy life trying to track down all the journalists/camera persons on all the video you watch across modern media!
Otherwise, I'm completely stumped as to why you can't grasp the concept of a demo not being the responsibility of the person filming! It's fairly simple really, not sure why it's taking so many posts for you to get it!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Dave, you post editorial comments/opinions within some of your videos and on some of the info about them (i've watched them all you'll be pleased to know). In my opinion you can't therefore totally absolve yourself of responsibility for the videos you post and the message they send out. I'll leave my comments there and let you get back to your good work. Note that I'm all for what the demonstrators are trying to achieve - it's only the methods that I think could be improved in this case.
bridgemr2 2 years ago
I accept responsibility for the videos I post and the editorial comments I make of/within them, but I can't be held responsible for the tactics of the demonstrations/subjects of the filming I do.
You can't seriously expect me to answer questions on the tactics used by the group/org I'm filming.
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Ever heard of a rhetorical question Dave? This is a comments section.... as the title suggests, people post comments/opinions about the videos and their contents. It's as simple as that. It sounds like you were you expecting comments to revolve around your editing skills and cinematography when you posted the videos e.g. why you used an earthquake effect at the start of the 'Merck Sharp & Dohme Protest' video!
bridgemr2 2 years ago
Erm, please point me to my 'Merck Sharp & Dohme Protest' video as I certainly don't remember doing that one!
You could comment on my Justice Not Vengeance piece...that's far more interesting to debate than a piece about legal demonstrations!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Correct - came up as a related video from NAR.... sorry for the slight on your camera skills. :-)
bridgemr2 2 years ago
Erm: pity you attempt to clever be with comments but dont answer the argument above.
Whatever you protest about , they will get NO local support talking to the residents in the manner you and good old jonathan did.
Why do you video or shout abuse to the police
HINT : they are there to protect you only.
Listen to what people are saying: ie dont shout in the street near to houses : dont shout when children are on their way from school : dont block pavements causing people to walk around
0191me 2 years ago 2
Erm no, I'm speaking the truth. 'I' am not protesting about anything here, 'I' am not shouting abuse at the police, I am merely filming!
If you wish answers from the people shown in the video, then direct the questions at them!
It's fairly simple really, not sure why it's taking so many posts for you to get it!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
asking you Dave, its that simple , you get it ?
erm: cant you answer all the posts? , eh Dave
0191me 2 years ago
In what manner should we talk to the local residents?
We were voicing our disgust regarding the company and their involvement with vivisection ..
AnimalMagic1 2 years ago
I do NOT have or know of anyone who has "involvement" with the company. if you spoke to residents with respect instead of abuse , you would get it back. People cannot pick their neighbours!
the people who work in sanofi wont have a say in how it is run , you should target their headoffices , or is that too far away from the dole office?
0191me 2 years ago
Why do we video or shout abuse to police? ..
I am not aware of any shouting of abuse to the police .. .. but even if i was .. i would not condone it ..
AnimalMagic1 2 years ago
"Shame, shame, shame on the Police"
evileyexc 2 years ago
"Why's he been arrested?"
"Being an F**kin arsehole basically"
Absolutely brilliant.
Oh yeah and when I turned my car around in the entrance to Sanofi's factory I had 'Puppy Killer' shouted at me. Rather than 'raising the awareness of the public' the tactics of NAR do nothing but alienate the local residents against them, scare children and cause people to have to cross a busy road unnecessarily to get passed them. These aren't the actions of reasonable, rational, responsible adults. Discuss
evileyexc 2 years ago 2
Well, the high court injunction stipulates that they have the right to be there and can use two megaphones for an hour...
So it would seem the High Court considers their actions to be that of reasonable protest, rational, responsible, etc....discuss away!
Also, the local police are very supportive of their right to demonstrate and as there's always a police presence, the lack of arrests would indicate a lack of laws being broken!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
But hiding behind the law doesn't negate the fact that this is a residential street where people have to live. How do you justify waking up nightshift workers who work in a hospital? What about their human rights to live peacefully? You hold your human rights in very high regard and quote them often enough but seem to have no consideration for the rights of others. What if that nurse makes a mistake because of sleep deprivation? Will that be his or her fault? Sanofi's fault? or your fault?
evileyexc 2 years ago
Gosh, well standing there with my camera, the noise from the protestors was completely drowned out by each passing lorry coming out of the complex.
Given this goes on many times an hour, many hours per day, I assume your friend is going to sue a lorry driver if she makes a mistake ?
Anyway, I believe these comments should be asked of Newcastle Animal Rights, not of ...erm... my video!
Want their website address or will you be able to find it ?
VeganDave001 2 years ago
You didn't answer the question tho did you? Is it because you can't justify what your doing when it affects others? Or is it because your arguements fall flat when faced with equally well made and reasoned arguement? It is easier to shout emotive insults at passing cars at the top of your lungs. I do sympathise with the cause but not on a residential street. The video of MSD affected no one because people don't have to live close to the noise which is being made
evileyexc 2 years ago
I pointed out there's far more noise on a regular level from lorries, etc...
I also pointed out (read the channel id) that this channel is to display my videos, not to answer questions which should be directed at the represented group (in this case Newcastle Animal Rights) not at me or my vids!
Can't put it plainer than that, can I ?
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Is the point of a demonstration not to raise awareness and get the general public on side? Protesting in a residential area, in theory, should be done to sway local opinion against the target of the demonstration. A more effective tactic would be to leaflet drop the local residents and then peacefully and quietly show a presence. The locals would be happy at the quiet and would be more likely to support the protestors. As things stand it would seem as though the residents are hacked off.
bridgemr2 2 years ago
"peacefully and quietly show a presence" if that worked don't you think that would be happening???? Ineffective....KEEP YOUR BULLHORNS
EmptyAllCages 2 years ago
Erm...please read the responses to similar posts and then find the Newcastle Animal Rights webpage and ask them.
Hint : their email address is on the Sanofi-Aventis vid I did of them!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Although I agree that peaceful demonstration is one of the ways this country still remains more or less 'free', spare a thought when demonstrating for the folks who live in Fawdon. I have some friends that live there that work night shift (carers/nurses) and they have extreme difficulty sleeping when there are people shouting on megaphones. Please try to keep it down, your presence is enough to protest. Cheers. Alex
northernalex 2 years ago
Hi Alex
Please see my points above!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
i look bad in this video my first protest march and i met alot of amazing people. i will be at the next one see ya there. alison :)
nekosempi87 2 years ago
Im the guy that was arreasted in this video and will be attending court for this arrest :)
JawKneeNoCash 2 years ago
what were they doing to that person they took? And why did they take him/her?
Oracle176x 2 years ago
Brilliant demo! Well done Newcastle!!!
tayraw 2 years ago
Haha i look so bad in the video xD
Ain't it october the 9th and not september the 9th? :O
Awesome day.
Vespertine2626 2 years ago
Hiya - nice to meet you on Fri!
Oh yeah - of course it's October; can you tell I was very tired when doing this vid ?!!!
Thanks for pointing it out...!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Love the video Dave, quality is brilliant! Nice one :)
JonWhite17 2 years ago
Good work. The cops clearly want to suppress you so you are clearly doing something right! Smash HLS!
AranSPEAKS 2 years ago
Oh I don't know! I can't comment on the arrests as I didn't fully witness them and at the moment I'm not sure if there are any impending court cases!
I don't think the video is anti-police (and certainly don't want it taken as such) as the police on the whole did facilitate the march and I've seen such instances where in similar circumstances many other protestors were arrested (for pushing officers or breaking an injunction).
VeganDave001 2 years ago
If you give me the choice to support a cop or ARA, it will almost always be the ARA for me! Don't know about you.
AranSPEAKS 2 years ago
Hi Aran - well after watching my vids of illegal arrests, etc, you should know about me!
Sometimes though, it isn't a choice; as stated I can't comment on the arrests as I didn't personally witness them, but I have no problems whatsoever with the way the rest of the demo was policed.
No fit teams, police kept a distance to ensure the march could progress unhindered, at Fawdon the police were going out of their way not to make arrests!
I wish every march/demo was policed thus!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Hmm OK. But you do know one of them was put on remand, I don't know this is the time for half way stuff but I respect your opinion.
AranSPEAKS 2 years ago
Take a look at my latest anti-fur vid, if you want to see how not to police a demo!
I try to show and tell it as it is!
VeganDave001 2 years ago