How many of you are aware that yahweh was not the creator god. The supreme creator god was El, or El Elyon, aka El Shaddai?
It's pretty much becoming accepted by more and more scholars that Judaism was polytheistic in it's early stages, then those in control, made the transition from poly to monotheism, and they attempted to do it covertly and present their religion as having always been monotheistic.
@Cootabux So you are obviously delusional if you think I give a shit if jews are mono or poli theistic for cryin out loud. You're all members of your chosen cults and the tenets produced by them and your idea of the world just does not compute and I do not need to get around it. I don't have a "big question" I know what happens to me when I die and I don't care, I'm well versed in science and understand it so any physical questions I have can be answered, like how the Earth etc. was formed...
You may well be delusional, period, and I couldn't care less. I have no cult, at least, not anymore, not since I deconverted from Christianity.
You don't know a zero about what happens when you die. You can claim it all you want, but cannot demonstrate it one iota. If you can, please don't keep us in suspense!
Are you a Christian?? If you are, then I'd expect you to care very much that Judaism started out polytheistic, that is, worshiping many gods. But your post is so vague....
Interesting you mentioned miracles being magic. Human Consciousness is Magic. Existence also Magic.. Choices? Magic... So then, is it really such a grand leap to believe in magic/miracles?
If your going to imagine what we believe you have to think huge.. God is righteous, as well he should be.. he invented it. God can also do what he wants and answers to no-one.. he is God after all.. We can't judge God he is the ultimate judge. The are no appeals to his judgement.
"God can also do what he wants and answers to no-one"
As most Tyrants can attest to.
Not only is the biblical god a Tyrannical Psychopath, but he has a penchant for killing children! What do ya think is going on with such a mentality?
What most Xians don't know, and it's bcuz they don't do the research, is that the OT god Yahweh was part of a larger Pantheon, which is where the Hebrews got it when they wrote about Moses. It's all from the Canaanite Elohim. Just do some studying.
@Cootabux OK you I must have misread your other post about jews because it sounded like your were defending them or something....and I got on you about it which obviously was the wrong thing to do sorry 'bout that Cootabux... I am an old fart anyway.
No sweat! I'm an old trooper to (Vietnam '67). Don't know if you went, but just thought I'd mention it if you had..
I'm glad you re-read my post. To elaborate, about 4 yrs ago, something happened that gave me the impetus to study the Jud. Christ. religion more thoroughly than most scholars do. I got very involved in scripture, but it wasn't until I discovered the Ugaritic Texts and what it tells us about earliest Judaism. They copied their religion from the Canaanites. Its a fraud.
@Cootabux Actually Bux, that's kind of an odd way to come to grips with reality when the bible itself is proof enough that it was written by human beings , superstitious men, sexually frustrated old men, and my "epiphany" came I suppose at 5th grade when I asked the nun about if jesus is the son of god wouldn't he know wine and alcohol is bad for us. They did not like that question....I did..and I was born an atheist because all of the god shit I do know of came from being told about it.
@Cootabux Who can say that about God? This life is a blink of an eye. Who in this world has not sinned against God repeatedly? Who in this world does not deserve punishment for sinning against his creator? Yet he shows mercy and love still. Yeah I don't know whats wrong with his mentality, I would've destroyed my creation long ago. It's a good thing I'm not God.
I agree that this life is the blink of any eye, and that's just another reason a god punishing his children if a hell, just makes no sense. But there's more. I've always felt the biblical god was evil, and I mean downright cruel & evil. All it takes is an objective study of the Tanakh (OT) to see that. I couldn't figure out why there was so much diff. between Yahweh & JC. Now that I know yahweh's origin, it all makes sense.
1 of the most vile & unjust teachings is Original Sin.
I'll tell you what. I'll post a thousand dollars publicly right here and prove what I've said about Judaism being copied from the Canaanite Pantheon of gods, of which Yahweh was one. This is historical fact, and more scholars who study the OT with the Ugaritic texts are now believing the same thing. Much new info has been discovered in archeology.
I absolutely do not believe in Original Sin. Study Genesis. Spend some time thinking about that story as being literal. It ain't so!
@neomatrix031 Yes I can....read this.....your so called god is a fucking dangerous pedophile who ordered men to mutilate their baby boy's penis, or told you to kill your daughter if she's not a virgin at the time of betrothal..etc etc....loving god my ass you fucking christian piece of shit.. there if your god is real I ought to be dead by morning.
@JstNEarthling My God says I should love you, even though you have spoken to me in such a colorful way. That doesn't sound at all like the God you described.
U said; My God says I should love you, even though you have spoken to me in such a colorful way. That doesn't sound at all like the God you described.
Maybe u should study scripture much deeper. The evil that god has created & cursed on man is in there. I can assure u of that. If you wanna skip the reading, visit my channel and read my commentary under my profile.
One question; How do u reconcile your loving god with the biblical one who'd send you to Hell? Nothing deserves that
@neomatrix031 This is what I think about god(s)“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.is he able, but not willing?Then he is malevolent.Is he both able and willing?Then whence cometh evil?Is he neither able nor willing?Then why call him God?”
You have obviously not read the bible. I'm speaking with someone that is not educated in the what he is arguing about. There is no reason for circumcision anymore. Thats in the New Testament. The Old Testament was how God's perfect Wrath punishes sin. The Love of God is the second book. You can see in your manner of speak you know not what you speak.
"You have obviously not read the bible. I'm speaking with someone that is not educated in the what he is arguing about"
I don't know what the other poster said, but after reading your statement; "The Old Testament was how God's perfect Wrath punishes sin."
Perfect wrath?? Was yahweh's, the war god, perfect wrath also in killing children and having the unborn ripped from their mother's wombs? How do u love a monster, and a Psychopathic one at that?
I thought the KJV was foul able. If you actually studied the bible. Jewish customs, laws and ways of life you can actually prove that the bible was true. You are a poor soul. Please seek out what your talking about. Study to show thyself approved. Paul says this in the bible. So study. You are quoting text without having any knowledge. He went to prison for not paying federal taxes which there is no law for. Just regulation. God Bless.
@Brothermorin Really? prove the bible is true....why is it after 2000 years you're the only one who has made that lie an actual claim??? It should be easy to prove your magician is real , ask him to do a miracle for me and give me my legs back.....I'll even sacrifice my son and grandson if he does.....or maybe he just wants me to torture my baby boy by slicing up his penis...that's a pretty morbid god ya got there.
@Brothermorin Learn some grammar and English composition and we just might be able to understand you. And don't forget your dangling participles where they are at.
Their are people out there who butcher god's message, by killing abortion doctors and things like that, but there are radicals in everything. You shouldn't stereotype all Christians, there are some screwed up things they have done, but when you say "all those Christians" it's really not fair. God specifically said in the bible not to steal, and to "choose this day whom you will serve." You can't judge God by his followers; we are not perfect, if you want the true message, you'll have to ask him.
@meattastic1 One must judge a god by it's followers because they are the only ones who see this so called god a or think it's is a god.....so why would you think that bothers an atheist? We do not follow. believe or worship myths of any kind so, again, why? As a matter of fact why do and how can theists worship a god that feels it needs to kill millions because it made a mistake...nope don't feel the desire let alone need for that kind of shit to worry about...
@meattastic1 Like you when you call them "abortion doctors"...no one gets a doctorate of abortion hypocrite, they are Gynecologists just like the one you see when one gets pregnant and it is that doctor who, either recommends a procedure or not.....do you understand that? If you are what you say then you must lead by example. Get your ass over to Westboro baptist and picket their pickets because you so called "real christians" don't act like that.
@JstNEarthling ok that wasn't my point, my point was just that there are crazy christians out there who kill people who they disagree with, i wasn't getting in to abortion or anything, look past that and read the actual comment
@meattastic1 That's really not fair?? You're joking right? A christian follows and believes the bible to be true, old and new test. regardless of their content for now. right? Then a christian is a messianic then right? So, you think eve talked to a snake, told Adam what it said and they ate from this "tree of KNOWLEDGE" no life..god didn't like that, his first mistake for an omnipotent. All of this is examples of the bible and it's ridiculousness, therefore I ridicule. "that not fair" waaaaaaah
@JstNEarthling It's not fair to judge a perfect god by imperfect human beings who accept that their god is their only path to salvation. Who are you to say anything is ridiculous? Not too long ago, people thought it was ridiculous that the earth could be round, but no one seemed to learn that humans can be wrong
meattastic1 U said; "It's not fair to judge a perfect god by imperfect human beings who accept that their god is their only path to salvation."
It may be fun 4 u to make such a proclamation, but if u state such a thing as fact, then please show us your perfect god.
And if salvation was so important, as I'd expect it to be, why did god create (misleading) Evolution, a totally confusing bible, stay totally absent & silent for 2K yrs?? Why hide truth? Why doesn't he show us in no uncertain terms?
@meattastic1 BTW meattabutt...those questions asked by cootabux were rhetorical as we already know the answer and are trying make you think critically.....too bad your god said to stay stupid ...you're doing a fine job....
JstNEarthling
Btw, I've watched several of your videos, and so far I agree with you 100%. I'm looking forward to seeing them all in time.
Cootabux 10 months ago
How many of you are aware that yahweh was not the creator god. The supreme creator god was El, or El Elyon, aka El Shaddai?
It's pretty much becoming accepted by more and more scholars that Judaism was polytheistic in it's early stages, then those in control, made the transition from poly to monotheism, and they attempted to do it covertly and present their religion as having always been monotheistic.
See the Ugaritic Texts..and the Tora.
Cootabux 10 months ago
@Cootabux So you are obviously delusional if you think I give a shit if jews are mono or poli theistic for cryin out loud. You're all members of your chosen cults and the tenets produced by them and your idea of the world just does not compute and I do not need to get around it. I don't have a "big question" I know what happens to me when I die and I don't care, I'm well versed in science and understand it so any physical questions I have can be answered, like how the Earth etc. was formed...
JstNEarthling 10 months ago
JstNEarthling
You may well be delusional, period, and I couldn't care less. I have no cult, at least, not anymore, not since I deconverted from Christianity.
You don't know a zero about what happens when you die. You can claim it all you want, but cannot demonstrate it one iota. If you can, please don't keep us in suspense!
Are you a Christian?? If you are, then I'd expect you to care very much that Judaism started out polytheistic, that is, worshiping many gods. But your post is so vague....
Cootabux 10 months ago
Interesting you mentioned miracles being magic. Human Consciousness is Magic. Existence also Magic.. Choices? Magic... So then, is it really such a grand leap to believe in magic/miracles?
If your going to imagine what we believe you have to think huge.. God is righteous, as well he should be.. he invented it. God can also do what he wants and answers to no-one.. he is God after all.. We can't judge God he is the ultimate judge. The are no appeals to his judgement.
neomatrix031 11 months ago
@neomatrix031 indoctrination into a cult is faultless.
JstNEarthling 11 months ago
neomatrix031
"God can also do what he wants and answers to no-one"
As most Tyrants can attest to.
Not only is the biblical god a Tyrannical Psychopath, but he has a penchant for killing children! What do ya think is going on with such a mentality?
What most Xians don't know, and it's bcuz they don't do the research, is that the OT god Yahweh was part of a larger Pantheon, which is where the Hebrews got it when they wrote about Moses. It's all from the Canaanite Elohim. Just do some studying.
Cootabux 10 months ago
@Cootabux OK you I must have misread your other post about jews because it sounded like your were defending them or something....and I got on you about it which obviously was the wrong thing to do sorry 'bout that Cootabux... I am an old fart anyway.
JstNEarthling 10 months ago
JstNEarthling
No sweat! I'm an old trooper to (Vietnam '67). Don't know if you went, but just thought I'd mention it if you had..
I'm glad you re-read my post. To elaborate, about 4 yrs ago, something happened that gave me the impetus to study the Jud. Christ. religion more thoroughly than most scholars do. I got very involved in scripture, but it wasn't until I discovered the Ugaritic Texts and what it tells us about earliest Judaism. They copied their religion from the Canaanites. Its a fraud.
Cootabux 10 months ago
@Cootabux Actually Bux, that's kind of an odd way to come to grips with reality when the bible itself is proof enough that it was written by human beings , superstitious men, sexually frustrated old men, and my "epiphany" came I suppose at 5th grade when I asked the nun about if jesus is the son of god wouldn't he know wine and alcohol is bad for us. They did not like that question....I did..and I was born an atheist because all of the god shit I do know of came from being told about it.
JstNEarthling 9 months ago
@Cootabux Who can say that about God? This life is a blink of an eye. Who in this world has not sinned against God repeatedly? Who in this world does not deserve punishment for sinning against his creator? Yet he shows mercy and love still. Yeah I don't know whats wrong with his mentality, I would've destroyed my creation long ago. It's a good thing I'm not God.
The Pantheon thing is heresy.
neomatrix031 10 months ago
#1
neomatrix031
I agree that this life is the blink of any eye, and that's just another reason a god punishing his children if a hell, just makes no sense. But there's more. I've always felt the biblical god was evil, and I mean downright cruel & evil. All it takes is an objective study of the Tanakh (OT) to see that. I couldn't figure out why there was so much diff. between Yahweh & JC. Now that I know yahweh's origin, it all makes sense.
1 of the most vile & unjust teachings is Original Sin.
Cootabux 10 months ago
#2
neomatrix031
I'll tell you what. I'll post a thousand dollars publicly right here and prove what I've said about Judaism being copied from the Canaanite Pantheon of gods, of which Yahweh was one. This is historical fact, and more scholars who study the OT with the Ugaritic texts are now believing the same thing. Much new info has been discovered in archeology.
I absolutely do not believe in Original Sin. Study Genesis. Spend some time thinking about that story as being literal. It ain't so!
Cootabux 10 months ago
@neomatrix031 Slave
JstNEarthling 10 months ago
@neomatrix031 Yes I can....read this.....your so called god is a fucking dangerous pedophile who ordered men to mutilate their baby boy's penis, or told you to kill your daughter if she's not a virgin at the time of betrothal..etc etc....loving god my ass you fucking christian piece of shit.. there if your god is real I ought to be dead by morning.
Fuck the prick magician ...
JstNEarthling 10 months ago
@JstNEarthling My God says I should love you, even though you have spoken to me in such a colorful way. That doesn't sound at all like the God you described.
neomatrix031 10 months ago
neomatrix031
U said; My God says I should love you, even though you have spoken to me in such a colorful way. That doesn't sound at all like the God you described.
Maybe u should study scripture much deeper. The evil that god has created & cursed on man is in there. I can assure u of that. If you wanna skip the reading, visit my channel and read my commentary under my profile.
One question; How do u reconcile your loving god with the biblical one who'd send you to Hell? Nothing deserves that
Cootabux 10 months ago
@neomatrix031 This is what I think about god(s)“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.is he able, but not willing?Then he is malevolent.Is he both able and willing?Then whence cometh evil?Is he neither able nor willing?Then why call him God?”
JstNEarthling 10 months ago
You have obviously not read the bible. I'm speaking with someone that is not educated in the what he is arguing about. There is no reason for circumcision anymore. Thats in the New Testament. The Old Testament was how God's perfect Wrath punishes sin. The Love of God is the second book. You can see in your manner of speak you know not what you speak.
Brothermorin 1 year ago
Brothermorin
"You have obviously not read the bible. I'm speaking with someone that is not educated in the what he is arguing about"
I don't know what the other poster said, but after reading your statement; "The Old Testament was how God's perfect Wrath punishes sin."
Perfect wrath?? Was yahweh's, the war god, perfect wrath also in killing children and having the unborn ripped from their mother's wombs? How do u love a monster, and a Psychopathic one at that?
Cootabux 10 months ago
@Cootabux Yes
jm091308 10 months ago
@jm091308
I'd very much like to debate, or discuss the OT and earliest Judaism with you.
Cootabux 10 months ago
I thought the KJV was foul able. If you actually studied the bible. Jewish customs, laws and ways of life you can actually prove that the bible was true. You are a poor soul. Please seek out what your talking about. Study to show thyself approved. Paul says this in the bible. So study. You are quoting text without having any knowledge. He went to prison for not paying federal taxes which there is no law for. Just regulation. God Bless.
Brothermorin 1 year ago
@Brothermorin Really? prove the bible is true....why is it after 2000 years you're the only one who has made that lie an actual claim??? It should be easy to prove your magician is real , ask him to do a miracle for me and give me my legs back.....I'll even sacrifice my son and grandson if he does.....or maybe he just wants me to torture my baby boy by slicing up his penis...that's a pretty morbid god ya got there.
JstNEarthling 1 year ago
@Brothermorin Learn some grammar and English composition and we just might be able to understand you. And don't forget your dangling participles where they are at.
JstNEarthling 10 months ago
Their are people out there who butcher god's message, by killing abortion doctors and things like that, but there are radicals in everything. You shouldn't stereotype all Christians, there are some screwed up things they have done, but when you say "all those Christians" it's really not fair. God specifically said in the bible not to steal, and to "choose this day whom you will serve." You can't judge God by his followers; we are not perfect, if you want the true message, you'll have to ask him.
meattastic1 1 year ago
@meattastic1 One must judge a god by it's followers because they are the only ones who see this so called god a or think it's is a god.....so why would you think that bothers an atheist? We do not follow. believe or worship myths of any kind so, again, why? As a matter of fact why do and how can theists worship a god that feels it needs to kill millions because it made a mistake...nope don't feel the desire let alone need for that kind of shit to worry about...
JstNEarthling 1 year ago
@meattastic1 Like you when you call them "abortion doctors"...no one gets a doctorate of abortion hypocrite, they are Gynecologists just like the one you see when one gets pregnant and it is that doctor who, either recommends a procedure or not.....do you understand that? If you are what you say then you must lead by example. Get your ass over to Westboro baptist and picket their pickets because you so called "real christians" don't act like that.
JstNEarthling 1 year ago
@JstNEarthling ok that wasn't my point, my point was just that there are crazy christians out there who kill people who they disagree with, i wasn't getting in to abortion or anything, look past that and read the actual comment
meattastic1 1 year ago
@meattastic1 That's really not fair?? You're joking right? A christian follows and believes the bible to be true, old and new test. regardless of their content for now. right? Then a christian is a messianic then right? So, you think eve talked to a snake, told Adam what it said and they ate from this "tree of KNOWLEDGE" no life..god didn't like that, his first mistake for an omnipotent. All of this is examples of the bible and it's ridiculousness, therefore I ridicule. "that not fair" waaaaaaah
JstNEarthling 1 year ago
@JstNEarthling It's not fair to judge a perfect god by imperfect human beings who accept that their god is their only path to salvation. Who are you to say anything is ridiculous? Not too long ago, people thought it was ridiculous that the earth could be round, but no one seemed to learn that humans can be wrong
meattastic1 1 year ago
meattastic1 U said; "It's not fair to judge a perfect god by imperfect human beings who accept that their god is their only path to salvation."
It may be fun 4 u to make such a proclamation, but if u state such a thing as fact, then please show us your perfect god.
And if salvation was so important, as I'd expect it to be, why did god create (misleading) Evolution, a totally confusing bible, stay totally absent & silent for 2K yrs?? Why hide truth? Why doesn't he show us in no uncertain terms?
Cootabux 10 months ago
@meattastic1 BTW meattabutt...those questions asked by cootabux were rhetorical as we already know the answer and are trying make you think critically.....too bad your god said to stay stupid ...you're doing a fine job....
JstNEarthling 10 months ago