I recently spoke with a friend of hers from the 50's. He's old ofcourse Ann he told me that she wasn't really that sexy... She wad in fact, "cute." He knew a lot of those stars,of that Hollywood time and he was a player too. Sammy Chiodo was his name. UCLA quarterback, actor, movie investor, real estate mogul....and my friend.
Martinhamblin@yahoo.com
"Get Ottawa Town" the movie, you should a paid Sammy, are ya listning. : )
@xXPinkGoddessXx Yes, BUT she didn't do it on purpose like everyone thinks. At this time in her life, she wanted to be taken serious as an actress, but when her strap broke, everyone thought she was just going back to her usual Marilyn Monroe ways of being a sex symbol, which is not what she wanted.
@babydancer07 Marilyn did want to be taken seriously, but she also knew that she had to rely on her sex appeal to keep her name alive in the public eye. Even in her last year, she was excited at the prospect of knocking Liz Taylor off magazine covers with her nude swimming pool photoshoot from Something's Got To Give. It would have been hasty and foolish to immediately drop her sex symbol status even though Marilyn's talent was already sufficient to carry dramatic roles.
@xXPinkGoddessXx Unfortunately, her final nude modeling sessions--the swim, the Bert Sterns--had an air of desperation. Had all her study and agonies to be taken seriously only led her--at 36 (old by Hollywood standards)-- to this? No matter how joyful she might have looked while posing, somewhere inside it must have depressed her terribly.
@waif55 I don't think Marilyn really had a choice in the matter. Nowadays the public seems much less tentative in allowing sex symbols or comediennes leeway in changing the direction of their artistic pursuits, but in Marilyn's time women who started out relying on sex appeal tended to remain that way. The 60's seemed to be a hard time for actresses in general; female actors were gradually being replaced by men as the largest box office draws, which I think remains until today.
jeez.....if they were eating dinner couldn't they be left alone in peace!? goodness reporters all they're doing is eating they don't need to be documented on that! everyone does it....haha
why would olivier even bat an eyelid at monroe when he had vivien leigh to go home to. Sure she was barking mad but she was far classier than the trailor trash airhead that is marilyn monroe
I heard that Marilyn had her issues that made it hard for Olivier to work with her. Maybe this film came along at a time when both stars had problems off screen.
Both Olivier and Monroe were never made for each other. They never connected in this film. The whole movie seemed staged, even the real scenes of Queen Elizabeth's coronation, mixed with cheap indoor shots of Marilyn and her girlfriends watching it looked as faked as they were, No Showgirl like her or a Prince like Olivier could ever get together,
I heard Olivier was icy cold to Marilyn when filming with her, but later found out that was when he was going through a very tough time with Vivenne Leigh, her mental illness was worsening and was just before they got divorced, so it would explain his bad mood somewhat!!
Also, look at the pictures taken of her by Allan Grant. Those were some of the last ever taken of her, and they're quite startling to look at. It's quite apparent she was "running out" so to speak. Plus I do believe that eyes are the windows to the soul, but whatever. I'm blabbing, but this is just my opinion.
No, Marilyn wasn't happy most of her life. Just look into her eyes in her pictures. Even when she's smiling, you can see sadness, and it became even more apparent as she grew older. That's why her make up became heavier. During the filming of The Misfits, the makeup artists were saying how beautiful she was, but that there was a "strangeness" about her eyes that they attempted to hide using heavy eye liner, thick, fake lashes, and whatever else they felt was needed.
Well, I agree MM was a sad girl who overcame her issues brilliantly for a long time. As to her makeup--it got heavier in part because that was the style. Look at the other women of her time (Liz, Sophia, Audrey) all big with the liner and lashes.
The Allan Grant pictures? Badlly printed, for the most part (too dark) but she was in the depths by that point--fired, depressed--but still trying to be "Marilyn." I love her in this video w Larry. Fresh and lovely and happy.
now if you started reading this dont stop its really scary! ok send this to five other videos in 143 minutes. when you are done press F6 and your crushes name will appear on the screen in big letters this is weird because it does work. If you break this chance you wont have a crush in the next five years
"A million dollar face"is Laurence Olivier.But who really does care.The babe is there.And is it,only because she's fair? Mere? Baby Norma Jean I care.You are fair.Olivier.
She was happy most of her life, read her last book , freinds of her and her ex husband Joe Dimaggio told the truh, even Particia Newcomb ( her last agent) told reporters that she had NOT dreprsions al of the time .Everybody has sometimes depresions ..thats human
sneyder69: 1956/57 was a very good time for Marilyn private life but we all know that in her last year and a half of her life 1961-62 she was in a very difficult time.We will never know what would have happened if she wouldn't have been murdered in afternoon august 4, 1962.
Moonflower, that's because he was somewhat of an a-hole. He put down and condescended Marilyn front of the whole crew. She got the last laugh anyway. When Marilyn Monroe is on-screen he might as well be invisible.
Actually, on their first meeting he loved her, but he was probably sexist as he couldn't stand Marilyn's demands for creative control, etc, and told her during filming "just be sexy". Marilyn was also hard to work with, she had medical problems, demanded re-taking, felt insecure, etc. During filming he really grew a dislike toward her. Though I've heard from the musical assistant of 'Showgirl', and he said Olivier was downright rude to Marilyn.
exactly. according to MM's biography, after that comment she lost her trust in Olivier. i actually don't think he was trying to be cruel when he said it, but apparently it show his lack of trust in MM's abilities as an actress. he was insensetive towards her feelings and since she was already insecure it made everything worse. as a result they both lost their respect for one another. it think that's what happened between MM and Billy Wilder as well.
MM never knew her father. Her mother was mentally unstable and she spent most of her life in mental institutions so she couldn't spend much time with her mother either. She spent most of her childhood moving from one foster family to another.
lol, she wasn't sad all the time. but when she was, she knew how to hide it. especially for the public. and you're welcome. i realize that was a lot of inormation for one day (i'm talking about my earlier posts :-)
oh come on, you may do couple of or many facial expressions and try to control everything with a smile, but nooooooooooooooooooooo eyes can't lie, they are "the mirror of the soul"
and mirrors don't lie right? well... may be once in a million, but that's when you don't carefully look.
nobody's had a perfectly happy life either or may be one in a million, but then they would be in the Genius's Book.
Marilyn had a dark childhood and was abused by many men BUT don't forget how happy she was during her heightening career.
Knowing so many people love and adore you throughout the world is something that not all experience and know how exciting it feels therefore they make wrong comments and call themselves that they know everything.
Her foster families had different points of view about raising a child. For example; one of the families she lived with was very conservative and religious while another family was very liberal. It must have been hard to adjust to the different families and their different views and it made her feel like she wasn't good enough.
She thought that if she became a huge star people would respect her. But as we all know that didn't happen. Everybody treated her like a joke: a sex symbol with no brain and no talent. She also had a few failed marriages. And she couldn't get pregnant due to a condition called Endometriosis.
Basically she had a lot of problems but she couldn't tell anybody about them because she couldn't trust anybody. People were constantly using her: emotionally and financially (there were a few exceptions of course, like her 2nd husband Joe DiMaggio).
If you haven't already read any of her biographies i suggest Donald Spoto's, his seems to be the most accurate. btw, the information i provided is from various biographies and documentries about MM, so you know i'm not making things up :-)
It wasn't that he was an a-hole, it was that she was behaving in a very uncoperative way on set. I'm both a huge Larry and Marilyn fan, but this was not a happy partnership.
Larry didn't like Strassbergs method of acting and of course there was still "The late Marilyn", 'cause she couldn't get herself on the stage on time. She was never on time plus don't forget about her addiction to sleeping pills and alcohol...
He did say he liked before they started their project. After working with her HE apparantly HATED her for well-known eccentric diva ways. Cracked up laughing when i read that.
I like your vid clip and I've rated it as awesome. I've done another video clip on some old cigarette cards of 1930's movie stars, including: Laurence Olivier, Bing Crosby, Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy, Clark Gable, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Greta Garbo,Johnny Weismuller, Gary Cooper and Carole Lombard.
The pics of this night are also of the famed (planned) publicity stunt where Marilyn positioned her shoulder strap so it would break and reveal her breast. The ploy worked and the event made headlines. Even when training as a serious actress Marilyn still had a few tricks up her sleeve.
I recently spoke with a friend of hers from the 50's. He's old ofcourse Ann he told me that she wasn't really that sexy... She wad in fact, "cute." He knew a lot of those stars,of that Hollywood time and he was a player too. Sammy Chiodo was his name. UCLA quarterback, actor, movie investor, real estate mogul....and my friend.
Martinhamblin@yahoo.com
"Get Ottawa Town" the movie, you should a paid Sammy, are ya listning. : )
1955bugatti 1 year ago
Her beauty was so surreal, like she could disappear at any moment. A walking talking disney princess.
RiseyFlint 1 year ago
@RiseyFlint soo true. perfect way of describing.
laurenmarieeee 1 month ago
You have to wonder if Olivier asked,
''Is it safe?''
Beforehand.
olqutseg 1 year ago
I don't see anyone mentioning Laurence Olivier! He was a hot piece of meat!
ButterflyRedrum 1 year ago 8
she did ?!!
Missmeggirl97 1 year ago
Wasn't this the night when Marilyn accidentally on purpose broke her dress strap?
xXPinkGoddessXx 1 year ago
@xXPinkGoddessXx Yes, BUT she didn't do it on purpose like everyone thinks. At this time in her life, she wanted to be taken serious as an actress, but when her strap broke, everyone thought she was just going back to her usual Marilyn Monroe ways of being a sex symbol, which is not what she wanted.
babydancer07 1 year ago
@babydancer07 Marilyn did want to be taken seriously, but she also knew that she had to rely on her sex appeal to keep her name alive in the public eye. Even in her last year, she was excited at the prospect of knocking Liz Taylor off magazine covers with her nude swimming pool photoshoot from Something's Got To Give. It would have been hasty and foolish to immediately drop her sex symbol status even though Marilyn's talent was already sufficient to carry dramatic roles.
xXPinkGoddessXx 1 year ago
@xXPinkGoddessXx Unfortunately, her final nude modeling sessions--the swim, the Bert Sterns--had an air of desperation. Had all her study and agonies to be taken seriously only led her--at 36 (old by Hollywood standards)-- to this? No matter how joyful she might have looked while posing, somewhere inside it must have depressed her terribly.
waif55 1 year ago
@waif55 I don't think Marilyn really had a choice in the matter. Nowadays the public seems much less tentative in allowing sex symbols or comediennes leeway in changing the direction of their artistic pursuits, but in Marilyn's time women who started out relying on sex appeal tended to remain that way. The 60's seemed to be a hard time for actresses in general; female actors were gradually being replaced by men as the largest box office draws, which I think remains until today.
xXPinkGoddessXx 1 year ago
jeez.....if they were eating dinner couldn't they be left alone in peace!? goodness reporters all they're doing is eating they don't need to be documented on that! everyone does it....haha
ClassicsWEREandARE 1 year ago
Monroe a trailer trash airhead? That remark says more about you than it does Marilyn.
Hunterunc 2 years ago
why would olivier even bat an eyelid at monroe when he had vivien leigh to go home to. Sure she was barking mad but she was far classier than the trailor trash airhead that is marilyn monroe
wilco9971 2 years ago
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shut your trap you jerk
sfassnacht0607 2 years ago
i dont know maybe because she is smoking hot and she knew how to seduce a man
virtualsnake1994 2 years ago
La amo. Tu video es de un documental sobre ella en tv de españa
Poesiana 2 years ago
the most beautiful woman
calmo78 2 years ago 4
She looks like my mother/
Except my mother is a redhead/brunette.
:)
AngelicLove21 2 years ago
wooow!
calmo78 2 years ago
@AngelicLove21 marilyn was originally a readhead/brunette aswell! :)
dontwannasayaname 1 year ago
@dontwannasayaname A Brunette that is! =)
Lindsay's the redhead.
AngelicLove21 1 year ago
I heard that Marilyn had her issues that made it hard for Olivier to work with her. Maybe this film came along at a time when both stars had problems off screen.
wizardmig 2 years ago 3
Good point.
AngelicLove21 2 years ago
Both Olivier and Monroe were never made for each other. They never connected in this film. The whole movie seemed staged, even the real scenes of Queen Elizabeth's coronation, mixed with cheap indoor shots of Marilyn and her girlfriends watching it looked as faked as they were, No Showgirl like her or a Prince like Olivier could ever get together,
11777766 2 years ago
I agree with Astralagus1828. She's so beautiful that is does almost hurt to look at her.
smmp123 2 years ago 4
I heard Olivier was icy cold to Marilyn when filming with her, but later found out that was when he was going through a very tough time with Vivenne Leigh, her mental illness was worsening and was just before they got divorced, so it would explain his bad mood somewhat!!
jtking2504 2 years ago 4
Laurence was so jealous of Marilyn. Hard to believe she produced the movie and hired him.
grainofsandfan 2 years ago
Marilyn Monroe was so beautiful, it alsmost hurts to lokk at her. Marvellous!
Astralagus1828 3 years ago 19
wow. marilyn was so hot. that smile...yum.
NightinGal89 3 years ago
I wish someone would translate what the voiceover was about.... thanks (^^,)
redindygo 3 years ago
Also, look at the pictures taken of her by Allan Grant. Those were some of the last ever taken of her, and they're quite startling to look at. It's quite apparent she was "running out" so to speak. Plus I do believe that eyes are the windows to the soul, but whatever. I'm blabbing, but this is just my opinion.
KittyKaminsky 3 years ago 2
No, Marilyn wasn't happy most of her life. Just look into her eyes in her pictures. Even when she's smiling, you can see sadness, and it became even more apparent as she grew older. That's why her make up became heavier. During the filming of The Misfits, the makeup artists were saying how beautiful she was, but that there was a "strangeness" about her eyes that they attempted to hide using heavy eye liner, thick, fake lashes, and whatever else they felt was needed.
KittyKaminsky 3 years ago
Well, I agree MM was a sad girl who overcame her issues brilliantly for a long time. As to her makeup--it got heavier in part because that was the style. Look at the other women of her time (Liz, Sophia, Audrey) all big with the liner and lashes.
The Allan Grant pictures? Badlly printed, for the most part (too dark) but she was in the depths by that point--fired, depressed--but still trying to be "Marilyn." I love her in this video w Larry. Fresh and lovely and happy.
waif55 3 years ago
Este documental es alucinante, lo tengo grabado y no dejo de verlo.
virulito 3 years ago
aaaahhhhh Olivier was such a nice man!!!
Dereniti27 3 years ago
Olivier looks really handsome in this footage!
meladorimagpie 3 years ago 4
Olivier had no interest in Marilyn. Seems it was icy on the set. Most Blondes are boring...no substance
jun7per 3 years ago
i agree..
but Marilyn was different...
AngelicLove21 3 years ago 11
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now if you started reading this dont stop its really scary! ok send this to five other videos in 143 minutes. when you are done press F6 and your crushes name will appear on the screen in big letters this is weird because it does work. If you break this chance you wont have a crush in the next five years
fralo86 3 years ago
"A million dollar face"is Laurence Olivier.But who really does care.The babe is there.And is it,only because she's fair? Mere? Baby Norma Jean I care.You are fair.Olivier.
our4brothers 4 years ago
She was happy most of her life, read her last book , freinds of her and her ex husband Joe Dimaggio told the truh, even Particia Newcomb ( her last agent) told reporters that she had NOT dreprsions al of the time .Everybody has sometimes depresions ..thats human
sneyder69 4 years ago 2
sneyder69: 1956/57 was a very good time for Marilyn private life but we all know that in her last year and a half of her life 1961-62 she was in a very difficult time.We will never know what would have happened if she wouldn't have been murdered in afternoon august 4, 1962.
vergoti20 3 years ago 2
i don't think he looked interested/amused by her at all.
moonflower0924 4 years ago
Moonflower, that's because he was somewhat of an a-hole. He put down and condescended Marilyn front of the whole crew. She got the last laugh anyway. When Marilyn Monroe is on-screen he might as well be invisible.
xx
xXPinkGoddessXx 4 years ago
i don't care for either.
moonflower0924 4 years ago
Then why watch?
xx
xXPinkGoddessXx 4 years ago
what's "somewhat of an a-hole"?
ZacKrush01 4 years ago
More polite version of asshole.
xx
xXPinkGoddessXx 4 years ago
what made Oliver hate Marilyn? just her popularity or something else?
ZacKrush01 4 years ago
Actually, on their first meeting he loved her, but he was probably sexist as he couldn't stand Marilyn's demands for creative control, etc, and told her during filming "just be sexy". Marilyn was also hard to work with, she had medical problems, demanded re-taking, felt insecure, etc. During filming he really grew a dislike toward her. Though I've heard from the musical assistant of 'Showgirl', and he said Olivier was downright rude to Marilyn.
xx
xXPinkGoddessXx 4 years ago
thanx for the info :]
ZacKrush01 4 years ago
"just be sex" in what sense?
Marilyn was already sexy.
ZacKrush01 4 years ago
exactly. according to MM's biography, after that comment she lost her trust in Olivier. i actually don't think he was trying to be cruel when he said it, but apparently it show his lack of trust in MM's abilities as an actress. he was insensetive towards her feelings and since she was already insecure it made everything worse. as a result they both lost their respect for one another. it think that's what happened between MM and Billy Wilder as well.
gzmsr88 4 years ago
misspellings :-)
i meant "shows" and "insensitive".
gzmsr88 4 years ago
what do you mean by "insecure"?
be specific please.
ZacKrush01 4 years ago
MM never knew her father. Her mother was mentally unstable and she spent most of her life in mental institutions so she couldn't spend much time with her mother either. She spent most of her childhood moving from one foster family to another.
gzmsr88 4 years ago
yet, but she LOOKS so happy and EYES can't lie, don't you agree?
ZacKrush01 4 years ago
lol, she wasn't sad all the time. but when she was, she knew how to hide it. especially for the public. and you're welcome. i realize that was a lot of inormation for one day (i'm talking about my earlier posts :-)
gzmsr88 4 years ago
"and EYES can't lie, don't you agree?"
Oh my... Yes, eyes CAN lie. They can lie BIG TIME (if the person wants it).
In fact, it's because people assume that eyes can't lie, that's precisely the easiest way to deceive people... You do have to be a good actor, though.
Hadewijch 4 years ago
oh come on, you may do couple of or many facial expressions and try to control everything with a smile, but nooooooooooooooooooooo eyes can't lie, they are "the mirror of the soul"
and mirrors don't lie right? well... may be once in a million, but that's when you don't carefully look.
ZacKrush01 4 years ago 2
Wrong. Marilyn was far from happy throughout most of her life, most everyone who knows something about her knows that.
xx
xXPinkGoddessXx 4 years ago
nobody's had a perfectly happy life either or may be one in a million, but then they would be in the Genius's Book.
Marilyn had a dark childhood and was abused by many men BUT don't forget how happy she was during her heightening career.
Knowing so many people love and adore you throughout the world is something that not all experience and know how exciting it feels therefore they make wrong comments and call themselves that they know everything.
WRONG.
ZacKrush01 4 years ago
I know Marilyn's life wasn't living hell 24/7, but you said she looks happy and her eyes show it, therefore she WAS happy. That is wrong.
xXPinkGoddessXx 4 years ago
so is 80%.
Marilyn was no different from human beings, she had her bad times as well as good, and that's what we all experience.
but particularly eyes don't lie.
End of story.
ZacKrush01 4 years ago 5
Her foster families had different points of view about raising a child. For example; one of the families she lived with was very conservative and religious while another family was very liberal. It must have been hard to adjust to the different families and their different views and it made her feel like she wasn't good enough.
gzmsr88 4 years ago
She thought that if she became a huge star people would respect her. But as we all know that didn't happen. Everybody treated her like a joke: a sex symbol with no brain and no talent. She also had a few failed marriages. And she couldn't get pregnant due to a condition called Endometriosis.
gzmsr88 4 years ago
Basically she had a lot of problems but she couldn't tell anybody about them because she couldn't trust anybody. People were constantly using her: emotionally and financially (there were a few exceptions of course, like her 2nd husband Joe DiMaggio).
gzmsr88 4 years ago
i agree.
but it doesn't only refer to Marilyn i guess since ordinary people too have problems.
ZacKrush01 4 years ago
If you haven't already read any of her biographies i suggest Donald Spoto's, his seems to be the most accurate. btw, the information i provided is from various biographies and documentries about MM, so you know i'm not making things up :-)
gzmsr88 4 years ago
thank you for the info!
:]
ZacKrush01 4 years ago
It wasn't that he was an a-hole, it was that she was behaving in a very uncoperative way on set. I'm both a huge Larry and Marilyn fan, but this was not a happy partnership.
queeniefox 4 years ago
uncooperative way? what u mean?
ZacKrush01 4 years ago
Larry didn't like Strassbergs method of acting and of course there was still "The late Marilyn", 'cause she couldn't get herself on the stage on time. She was never on time plus don't forget about her addiction to sleeping pills and alcohol...
NYsoul99 3 years ago
At first, he wanted her (told it himself), but then he became jealous, because Marilyn completely overshadowed him...Gracias por el video!
gatabella 4 years ago
He did say he liked before they started their project. After working with her HE apparantly HATED her for well-known eccentric diva ways. Cracked up laughing when i read that.
rozepetal 4 years ago
haha! he apperently hated her.
elvira102 4 years ago
why do you think so?
ZacKrush01 4 years ago
I like your vid clip and I've rated it as awesome. I've done another video clip on some old cigarette cards of 1930's movie stars, including: Laurence Olivier, Bing Crosby, Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy, Clark Gable, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Greta Garbo,Johnny Weismuller, Gary Cooper and Carole Lombard.
creamofcardstv 5 years ago
The pics of this night are also of the famed (planned) publicity stunt where Marilyn positioned her shoulder strap so it would break and reveal her breast. The ploy worked and the event made headlines. Even when training as a serious actress Marilyn still had a few tricks up her sleeve.
xx
xXPinkGoddessXx 4 years ago
her strap didn't break, at least in these pics.
ZacKrush01 4 years ago
tnx
tins222 5 years ago