-DVD Version: P3. Coercion vs Freedom

[3Sciencenut]

the key problem in a collectivist argument is that they "worship" govenment, so they see government as some faraway benevolent god, and they dont realize that people in power are human beings just like them....

[shizont]

@3Sciencenut Exactly. People are imperfect, so it is dangerous to give one group of imperfect people authority over another group-especially since those in power become more vulnerable to corruption

[enemyartistkristofeR]

Excellent video.

Free-Market Anarchism/Self Government is the most responsible for of governance there is. It takes self respect & the respect of others to be truly free and a True Anarchist. A voluntary Society based on Peace, rather than governments use of coercive force and theft.

peace. love. anarchy

[bxtrem]

bull crap ... half true video .

[sigmund5]

You Mormons crack me up!!!

[putittogether]

A great video. Well done. One the American People may choose FREEDOM again. I just hope when that day comes its not too late.

[gsukrw06]

...in free market economics supply and demand always find a natural equilibrium...maybe the same can be found in a truly free humanity. id say its worth a try

[LordVith]

I've enjoyed your videos thus far, but you could do without the obvious bias toward individualism and the presentation of strawmen against collectivism.

If individualism is the superior ideology, then it will stand on it's own merits. You should stick to explaining exactly why you think it superior as well as what you perceive to be the flaws of the conflicting ideology.

There is no need to mislead. Instead, inform and trust your audience to think critically for themselves.

[bldgy]

So many have been indoctrinated into the collectivist way of thinking through media and public schools that the only way to get them to see the other side of the issue is to show the other side of the issue. If both sides were presented under the positive spin of each side rather than showing the benefits of individualism vs. the negatives of collectivism, then it would hardly get people to open their eyes.

[Heavymetalgamer28]

@bldgy

That is indeed true, I have recently figured this out and you are absolutely right

[MrMichuzz]

good critique and i agree,,,, but the only one i can see,, this series is great... awesome job

[USAPatriot45]

Collectivism has failed though all throughout history. Even the Pilgrams had a collectivist plan at first. It failed and almost lead to the failure of the colony. Then William Bradford scraped collectivism and the colony thrived. That is what we know today as Thanksgiving. The USSR and Eastern Bloc failed after decades. China is becoming more capitalist too. He is pointing out why indivualism is better than collectivism. I do see the bias and there shouldn't be but no one can remove all bias.

[KetihCooper]

i agree there is Bias, but it is so obviouse that Collectivism is wrong, its like trying to argue that killing puppies is right

[aggiepetvideo]

now it is time for us to understand that we are both the problem AND the solution. we do NOT have to comply. we can identify them, their companies, etc. and stand against them

[conspiracy777]

Ooops ... I typed that before the video ended and he covered it! Amazing how it all fits together.

[conspiracy777]

Individualism is often confused with selfishness. In fact it is the opposite. Collectivism is actually more selfish than individualism. Some of the most selfish people I've known have been collectivists.

[GravityBoy72]

I guarantee, the people shouting "jealousy" are comfortable.. of course the are. The current rules suit them. Hail the status quo.

I vote for a FAIR, OPEN, HONEST , NON-SECRETIVE, system of government. How about you?

I vote for FAIR, OPEN, HONEST, NON-SECRETIVE banking. How about you?

Why does a Country have to repay loans to it's 'own' central bank with interest?

Now it's worse. IMF? Who voted for them?

That makes NO sense.

Unless you're in with the elitist in-crowd.

[GravityBoy72]

'Collectivists think the way they do because of only one thing; class envy, greed, jealousy'

Rubbish. You ever played Monopoly?

You know... when you get lucky and you own everything... and you know you're going to win like three hours before the game finishes?

Monoploy is a great lesson.

That's where the rich elite are...

They've been there for a while now.

But we're all waking up to the fact... nothing good is coming from this.

What did JFK say about peaceful revolution?

[mrt585]

Collectivism = clique mentality

You see this everywhere in society from high school, to your peers to the business world. Politics effects all areas of life and collectivist politics creates a collectivist culture that's focused on groups.

Race, looks, money, status, class. The collectivist philosophy classifies and stereotypes people, it doesn't see them as persons but objects.

[Nebelung13]

And they pitch race, class fights to stir up mroe social instability i norder to pass mroe laws and gai nmroe pwoer.

[K2Tanner]

Now I agree with a minimum wage. As long as you are working you deserve a living wage, but I consider myself a pretty hardline libertarian.

[PeacefulKancer]

Then there, where do we stop? Should every man make $5 and hour? How about $7. No, how about everyone makes $15. But many have families, so let's make sure that we pay them $20 and hour. Where does it stop? Nowhere.

[WhatsUpWithOurWorld]

Minimum wage is simply more govt. interference in the economy.

[K2Tanner]

Maybe. I guess with less government intervention workers unions would be less greedy. People used to need them before the government stepped in and did the same job. Now they just suck corporations dry.

[davyjames]

min wage destroys all jobs the market deems not worth the minimum wage, weather people would like to do the jobs or not. Hardly a hardline libertarian position to stop people doing a job they want to do even though the employer cannot pay him the minimum wage. (example: paper round)

[OurCelestialOrigins]

The government doesn't necessarily force their citizens to do as they say, I'd say they use coercion....using the strawman.

[jingleshady]

If it wasn't coercive they wouldn't need to threaten imprisonment.

[AdrianRehn]

I'm an individualist, but I have to admit that this series seems biased against collectivism. I guess it doesn't go into why collectivists think like that in the first place. I have a collectivist friend who thinks that being in groups as a collective is 'healthy.'

[Ishpeck]

Yeah, there was also once a time when doctors thought it was healthy to make their patients bleed. Perceived health and actual health are not the same.

[K2Tanner]

Well of course it is biased but that is because it is a persuasive series. I am sure choosing to be part of a group or team has many benefits but forcing someone against their will to join a group is most likely not very good.

[PeacefulKancer]

@Adrian: It is probably because your friend does not recognize that he is an INDIVIDUAL first and foremost. Maybe he would change his mind about groups being healthy when the group all of a sudden decides that he is the next one they shoot. Maybe the Martin Niemöller poem would help him understand this concept.

[WhatsUpWithOurWorld]

Collectivists think the way they do because of only one thing; class envy, greed, jealousy. They're driven by nothing more than emotion and attempt to rationalize it through liberalism.

[dmaxp69]

whats that song called right at the intro at the start?

[GravityBoy72]

I believe it's Buffalo Sprigngfield 'For What it's Worth'

[Curlz31]

By difficult, I mean complicated contracts may force an increase in the size of government paid for by increasing coercive taxation.

[LibertarianOnline]

1. No, because damaging someone's eardrum is the initiation of the use of force.

2. No, that is not legitimate property.

3. I'm an anarcho-capitalist so I can't answer your last question. Coercion is always evil.

Read Murray Rothbard's "For a New Liberty" for more answers.

[Curlz31]

And whom defines what is legitimate? I've read Murray Rothbard's 'For A New Liberty' many times. I am an anarcho-capitalist as you are. However I accept that the philosophy is not totally perfect.

[LibertarianOnline]

True, but it allows for much more freedom than a state. To answer your question, the courts (who are probably based on the non aggression axiom). But, like Rothbard says in his book, it is hard to say exactly how the free market will solve these problems.

Go to free domian radio

[Curlz31]

Also G. Edward Griffin claims he is a in favor of small government and opposes the true anarchist libertarianism in which absolutely no coercion is present. But if coercive government is justified on the basis that it should be there to protect liberty, then is it not justified for the government to make laws restricting the contents of private contracts on the basis that contracts that get too complicated are difficult to administer and uphold.

[Curlz31]

Also, if property rights need to be protected then is not the whole of Australia still owned by the crown of Great Britain? After all, James Cook proclaimed as much on his first voyage to our land? Are we just renting our land from the crown?

[Curlz31]

As a libertarian I like your videos, although the situation is more complex than your videos would suggest. If the purpose of government is to protect liberty and property then wouldn't law against littering be justified on the basis that littering can result in damage to private property? And what about freedom of speech being practiced at a dB level high enough to damage someone's ear drum?