But the whole natural world apart from humans rely's on survival of the fittest Kent, does that mean that God is still a "retard" for doing it that way?...hmmmm
@ericinnit1 who's argueing against the bible?....i am argueing Kent Hovinds ridiculous interpretations and hypocrisy...i do not believe in evolution, and i do not believe that "Dr" Hovind has the first clue about what the scriptures teach.
@ericinnit1 i believe in the authority of the scriptures first of all.i just do not believe a purely literal approach to interpretation of them...i believe Kent is sincere, but he does his arguement no favours with coming out with such contradictory statements.
The God of the old testament IS a cruel, jealous and horrid God commanding subservience and Rape, Genocide, Stoning children to death, sacrifices etc etc. Yaaweh was the old Jewish God of war that the Isrealites believed would lead them to the promised land. They believed that the Sun revolved around the earth and the earth was flat. I am afraid that you are deluding yourself if you believe Ken Hovinds rubbish. (Oh isn't he the one charged with 58 counts of fraud?)
@ericinnit1 It is currently at the level of proven fact. It is a "theory" in the same sense that the "Heliocentric theory of the solar system" - the theory that the sun is at the center of our solar system - is a theory. It way too vast to type here, but I would direct you to any professional website for the evidence of evolution.
@chilledkirby Perhaps by the atheist community, because it's the only thing they cling to and use artist's impressions and lies to perceive it as fact when it isn't.
So your saying God, used earth days to create earth? 24 hours is an earth day.
God is not limited to some time frame that is only valid from a human perspective before the fact (before the earth was created itself to even talk about a 24 hour period).
@logicCplusplus No, I'm saying God gave us information so we can understand it. A day is 24 hours, as we understand it. The Hebrew word used for each day of the creation account is the same word used for the days of Jonah in the big fish. He puropsefully did it in 6 days (+1 to rest) to give us the working week we still use today. He could have made everything in less than a second if He wanted. 24 hours can still exist without the Earth.
A 24 hour period is an earth day. On Mars, Venus and other planets, there is a different period which translates into a day; a day there maybe months or year. If God was an alien, then maybe, but if God was the creator of the Universe, then I doubt time is relevant at all, since God created time itself. Either way, arguing over this is useless in my opinion, and is not going to make a difference in belief anyways.
@logicCplusplus Well seing as He sepcifically made Earth for our home and to sustain life and that He was telling us Earth dwellers what happened, we can be sure that when He says "day", He means 24 hours, just as we understand what day is. How long a day is on all the other planets is irrelevant.
But the God of the bible has obviously allowed suffering in the world anyway, so why not have biological evolution? We see suffering in nature every minute of the day regardless of speciation! So in the process of those suffering, why not have a change in time?
You fairy tale believers crack me up. Kent Hovind is an insult to human intellegence. Evolution has mountains of overwhelming evidence that is peer reviewed. Creationism and ID are nothing but fairy tales.
@Trilimionity Not sure what your questions actually are and how they relate to man bringing death into the world. What do you mean by "the fall of satan"? Yes he is a fallen angel and was kicked out of Heaven before the creation of the world.
If evolution is so "cruel" and God is humble, then why does God allow humans, his children to have cancer? I am a Theistic evolutionist. I do believe in god, but also evolution.
@sciencenerd299792458 Have you not read Genesis? The ground from which we eat is cursed as punishment for bringing sin into the world. From this cursed earth we get diseases, natural disasters etc. Tell me, which came first, birds or a T-rex?
Birds are a group of theropod dinosaurs that evolved during the the mesozoic era. tell me this you obviously believe in the bible word for word i take it so, how does a man service in a whale? It is Finding Nemo all over again. Most christians do not believe in demands and ghost, but in the bible God freed people of demands that possessed them. Where is the proof of God? Evolution has 6 revealing evidence. I could write a book and say this is Bob the true God .
@sciencenerd299792458 You could do, but it wouldn't be inspired by Bob the god, so it wouldn't work. Thus it would have no followers, except perhaps yourself and a few random people (a bit like the pastafarians). If you want proof of God, you need to see Him at work. Go find the power of the Holy Spirit.
tell me some evidence of God. evolution has Fossil Records,comparative anatomy, comparative biochemistry, comparative embryology, molecular biology, and biogeorgraphy.
@sciencenerd299792458 I'm also a Theistic Evolutionist and believe in God ( Christian ) and this is seriously retarded. I'm really fed up with all creationism.
@ericinnit1 Belief? Shut up, learn something about Evolution or just stop talking about it. Do it from a Biologist, not from a retard like the man in this video.
@ericinnit1 So you answered with something irrelevant, answer me, why do you think that you are educated on Biology by watching this nutcase who isn't specialized in this area? Creationism is only a big thing in USA, even the catholic church thinks Creationism is nuts and think that Evolution is the proper way. Some Christian Biologists supporting evolution; Francis Collins, Kenneth Miller and Darrel Falk.
@TheisticThinker It is irrelevant. it is totally relevant! All you're doing is slagging off the messenger, that's completely off topic. You dare not answer the question because you know evolution theory and the Bible ARE at odds with each other. Completely contradictory world views.
I do not care for the Roman Catholic church, I know they do not believe the Christian Bible.
@ericinnit1 Regarding your stupid irrelevant question, I don't know much about in what time period every animal developed, but Dinosaurs got extinct 65 million years ago. Birds developed out of Theropod's in the Mesozoic Era.
@ericinnit1 You don't seem to know literature well. Genesis not being literal has nothing to do wether it is true or not. Arguing with you is seriously draining my IQ, and also, I can say, it was because of Dr. Kent Hovind and other YEC that I almost became Atheist. Thanks for that. Watch this documentary to get a better picture, I doubt you will ever change your mind because you seem quite ignorant and close minded but I give it a try
@TheisticThinker Well Gen 1 is a historic account of creation and it's order. It clearly says birds were made on the 5th day and land animals and man were made on the 6th day. There's no other way of interpreting it. Do you also cut Adam out of your Bible?
@ericinnit1 No it is not, the majority of theologians have never intepreted Genesis historically, also, Gods other book, nature, testifies that truth. Watch the documentary, it is impossible to argue with you, you are to close minded. Watch the documentary I linked and you'll get my view on this.
@TheisticThinker Well if you feel you cannot win the argument, you must realise that your position is wrong. I used to have doubt too when I was your age and wasn't too sure what was true, until I discovered creationism and that we can indeed believe in the truth of Genesis. Without the literal creation account, none of the rest of the Bible makes sense. For example, look in the book of Luke, you have the genealogy from Adam to Jesus. Adam being the first man God created.
@ericinnit1 Please, youa re just making Creationists sound stupidier than they already is. I said it is not worth arguing with you because you are by far the most close minded and ignorant person I've met on Youtube. Please, for my view, watch the documentary, even if you don't agree with it, watch it and then you can ask questions. I am a Christian just like you, but we can atleast try to understand eachothers views, watch the documentary, then you can ask questions.
@TheisticThinker Ok I've got to just 5:28 in the video and he misunderstands Gen 2 as do so many people who argue against the creation account. Gen 2 is not a different account of the creation, it is a revision of Gen 1 and additionally the creation of the garden of Eden around Adam. It's no wonder you're confused! It is impossible to adhere to gap theory and evolution because there is no death until Adam sinned. Evolution cannot occur without death. Ergo, it didn't happen and you're wrong.
@TheisticThinker Well we can discuss it while I'm watching it. Start with my last comment about gap theory and your belief that death was before sin. The Bible clearly states death is the result of sin. You believe death created man, I believe God created man.
@ericinnit1 You should watch this vid /watch?v=mdXk3ixbQME
It's the first creation vid I watched and from then on was hooked. Watched the whole 7 video seminar of Hovind's, then discovered AIG's website. Bought books, went to a live seminar in London and subscribed to the magazine. AIG have scientists working for their ministry and would answer questions from anyone.
Is this the kind, loving god that you are speaking of?
Deuteronomy 22: 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
That's terrible! Rape a virgin and then if you are caught, pay her father 50 shekels and marry her and all is forgiven?!?!?
@yrunuts1962 Everyone does have the same one God, as there is only one. However, the Jews and Muslims all worship fake gods that do not exist. God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Both the Jews and Muslims deny Christ.
It doesn't say in the passage that all will be forgiven.
@ericinnit1, You are full of crap. They all believe in the god of Abraham. They share a number of the same stories.
Way to side step the obvious!! Very nicely done!! Your god gave those sick laws and as long as you follow those laws, god has nothing to forgive. So, go forth and rape you a virgin, stone a non-believer!
@yrunuts1962 All of humanity are sinners. We are born with sin. Nobody is sinless apart from JC. We didn't make God up, He made us.
God doesn't allow rape or murder. Slavery is those times is different to the version we know of today. It was a job that people volunteered for to help pay debts and support their families.
@ericinnit1, If that is the way you feel, fine with me. But as far as you assertions that your god did not allow rape and murder, you are dead wrong. It is clear that you have not read your bible. If you only read the parts the preacher tells you to, you will never know anything but what he/she wants you to know. If they is a god, I am sure that he would require you to read the complete manual.
As for the slavery remark, you are dead wrong again. You must read the bible you thump!!!
@yrunuts1962 Nowhere in the bible does God allow rape or murder. Show me the passages if you think it does. I am not restricted to what I read, I read as much as I can of it.
To understand the slavery of those days, you need to have an understanding of history. They only work as slaves for a few years and it wasn't a racial thing or involving kidnapping etc.
So, tell me, how long was a slave kept? After that time, what happened to the wife and children of that slave?
You really need to stop and read the entire bible! Many of the stories in there will turn your stomach! And most of the atrocities where by orders from your god.
@yrunuts1962 They would be slaves for no more than 7 years. People would sell themselves for payment up front to work as a hired servant for an agreed duration. The wife and children of the slave would then get their father/husband back.
@ericinnit1, you have not read your bible! If the master gave the slave a wife and they had children, at the end of the 7 years, the master kept and owned the wife and children. You must read the bible!!! The whole book!
@ericinnit1, Some more light reading, Leviticus 25:44-46 Exodus 21:2-6 Exodus 21:7-11 Exodus 21:20-21 Ephesians 6:5
My opinion is, you have been told what to believe, what to read and that Atheists are evil. After reading the bible, you might see that your god was far more evil that you could ever have imagined.
Also, since your god has rules for slavery, should we have slavery today? If not, why not? Isn't god's law above man's law?
@yrunuts1962 So the master only keeps the wife if she is given to the slave by the master. And the slave can stay with the master if he wants and then stays with his wife too.
But if he has a wife before he becomes a slave, she doesn't stay with the master.
God doesn't say we should have slaves, He just sets ground rules in case we do, so that they are treated fairly.
@ericinnit1, you are trying very hard to make it sound OK, and that your god did nothing wrong. This is called rationalization.
I do not wish to convert you, but I hope that I have opened your eyes enough that you want to read more. I do not respect most christians, because they have not read the bible they thump. The preachers do not come out and say, "Only read from here to here.", but they certainly don't encourage reading further. They know that most people will not read it!
@yrunuts1962 You haven't opened my eyes to anything new. I already knew about these passages and that God was more ruthless before He experienced life as a human 2000 years ago.
I don't know what form of Christianity you've experienced, but my preacher doesn't discourage reading of any parts of the Bible. I say "my preacher", but I've not been to church for a few years. But I guess I still belong to the church I went to and got baptised with.
@ericinnit1, I haven't opened your eyes to anything new?!?!? Then why did you have to ask, "Where in the bible does it say that?" That doesn't sound like you new! According to your post, you thought that (Deut 15). was the only law about slavery. To be a christian, you have to rationalize, minimize and ignore much of the bible. Then, to top it off, you have to say something like, " You haven't opened my eyes to anything new." BS! or you wouldn't has asked, "WHERE"!
@ericinnit1, I quote, "but his wife and children will still belong to his master" Do you know what "belong to" means?
I quote, "You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance." Sounds like ownership to me!
I quote, "After that, the slave will belong to his master forever." Again, "Belong to". Now, it you wish to lie and bullshit, do it with someone else. What you have written here is proof enough that you are both uneducated and a liar.
"Haters are those people who just leave idiotic comments under peoples videos in order to make themselves feel important." - Poseidon500.
Those of use who understand evolution theory know that it requires death, disease, the struggle for survival in order to work. For a god to use evolution in his creation, he must be a cruel god. That is not the nature of the God of the Bible.
@ericinnit1 Dude, I may be a criticizer, but I am no hater. Thanks for quoting me.
Death is necessary, so is disease. Without idisease we would be overpopulated even MORE so than we are now, and we would have all starved to death a long time ago.
I am not sure if you were argueing with me here, or agreeing with me. I am confused.
@Poseidon500 No, he makes no sense. And that's not very surprising, because he is a totally uneducated and ignorant, lying con-man. He lied about "having taught science in highschool" and about "having a ph.d". The fact is that he has never "taught" anyone else than his evangelist congregation, and his "ph.d" was bought at the fake diploma mill named "Patriot Bible University". Anyone can buy a "ph.d" there. And he's currently serving a ten-year sentence for tax-fraud and more. He's Kent Hovind.
@winterstellar He's a lying psudo-christian evangelist. All the preachers who become famous share that same trait. They are selfish, and only worry about their own spotlight.
But that is not what disturbs me. What disturbs me is that there are people who still listen to him.
That's right. Attack the messenger and not the message. Typical tactics by someone who has no argument against the message. I bet you didn't actually watch the video.
It's actually for Christians who believe in evolution "theory", not for atheists who just go around hating everything that's good and true. There's other videos for your kind.
@ericinnit1 I am not an atheist. I am a theist who attempts to follow the philosophy of the teachings of Christ. I do NOT believe in the creation myth as a litteral story, and I do not see the bible as the direct literal word of God. The Word of God is contained in parts of the bible, but the entire bible itself is NOT THE WORD OF GOD. DO you know what the Word Of God is?
I do not hate what is good and true. It is people like Kent Hovind and his followers who do.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Jesus was the creator God who made Adam and Eve in the beginning, just like He said he did in Matt 19:4 and Mark 10:6. And I suppose you take the book of Luke out of your Bible too because Adam is mentioned.
@ericinnit1 When Paul wrote that letter to Timothy, The New Testament was not even IN the Scriptures at the time. The teachings of Christ pretty much recinded a lot of the Old Law.
When Christ said that "Not One letter of the Law will be abolished untill all is fulfilled" Christ was talking about Himself dying for our sins. He fullfilled the old Law with that sacrifice, and at that point, it was fulfilled. Therefore at that point, the Old Law was abolished.
So you don't regard the NT as the word of God then? Yet you follow Christ? Yes I understand Jesus fulfilled the old law, but it doesn't make the OT irrelevant.
You disregard the gospels Matt, Mark and Luke because they mention God created us in the beginning and that Adam was the first man. So I guess it makes sense that you don't regard the NT as God's word either. So why believe in Christ if it's not God's word? I'm struggling to find any sense in where you're coming from.
@ericinnit1 It depends on the definition of "the beginning".
What exactly WAS the beginning? The beginning of mankind as he is today? The beginning of the earth? Were Andam and Even individual people or were they the representation mankind in it's entirety?
Argueing such things such as evolution is pointless and unnecessary. Following Christs teachings, the morality behind it is all that matters to achieve one's salvation.
All evidence supports evolution and yes life is cruel.
The beginning of time obviously. Who are Andam and Even? Never heard of them.
Adam and Eve were individual people of course. If you read Luke 3 you'll see that he was the first person in the genealogy of Christ. The answers to your questions are in the Bible. Yet you choose to disregard God's word in exhange for the foolish ideas of men.
Arguing evolution is not pointless or unnecessary. The whole point of Christ dying on the cross for us was due to sin.
In Genesis, God says He made the Heavens, Earth and all that is in them, in the beginning, within 6 days. Jesus is quoted of saying man was made in the beginning in the New Testament. They are both talking of the same thing. Why would anyone interpret that any differently? There's no doubt. Unless of course you want to change the meanings in order to fit man-made theories into the Bible.
@ericinnit1 There is no THEORY about it. The earth is much older than 6000 years, the universe is far older than that.
Oh and you are welcome to show me the quote by Jesus saying that man was made at the beginnig of the New Testament, (which had better have been an ERROR on your part.)
The entire bible was simplified in oder for primitive man to understand it. But to take that all literally in this day and age is just plain foolish.
@Poseidon500 I do not take the whole bible as literal, that is absurd. Obviously the creation account is literal though because it's a historical account.
I've already showed you where Jesus said we were made in the beginning. Matt 19:4 and Mark 10:6.
There's is only 4000 years between Adam and Jesus Christ's birth. So where do these billions of years fit it? And where is the proof that they existed?
I agree the Bible is simple enough for all to understand it, so why don't you?
@ericinnit1 Okay. You take the creation account as literal. Therefore we are all going to Hell unless we are saved because two of our ancestors really messed up. That makes absolutely no sense.
I had a great grandfather who was a molestor. Does that make his children, and his children's children guilty? No.
Therefore a literal account of Genesis is totally ludicris. The bible also says that a day for God is like 1000 years and a 1000 years like a day.
@Poseidon500 Why do you say it makes no sense then say you understand more than I do? Of course it makes sense. God's law was for humanity and we ballsed it up. So we are punished. Of course we are all going to Hell unless we are saved, that's what Christianity is all about. Do you think everyone is going to Heaven then? Even the Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists?
Everyone is a sinner and needs a saviour.
Only a literal Genesis makes any sense. Remember Luke 3?
@ericinnit1 A literal genesis makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.
God law was for HUMANITY. You stated just that. Therefore Adam and Eve must be symbolic representations for the entirety of humanity. Therefore genesis and creation cannot logically be taken literal. No will I ever take it literally, nor will I back down on my stance about this subject. The man who wrote Luke was not there at the time. Thw only reason i give the gospels ANY credit is because they are more similar then different.
@Poseidon500 They weren't symbolic, but they represented the entire human population, as they were the only humans alive. And so as were are their descendants, we are also punished. We all sin anyway, so what are you complaining about?
Why do you keep saying "therefore genesis and creation cannot lagically be taken literal" when you haven't given a valid reason?
@ericinnit1 I have given you a VALID reason and you werewtoo stupid to see it.
Remember my comment about my great grandfather. Or are you too busy argueing instead of listening, or reading for that matter.
Why is it MY fault that Adam and Eve sinned? It's not! Therefore genesis is NOT to be taken literal.
IF it is literal, then your god is an asshole! But of course, you give creedence to the preachings of Kent Hovind, and refuse to use the mind that God gave you.
@Poseidon500 It's not your fault they sinned. As Adam and Eve represented all of humanity, all of humanity are punished. Ask yourself why you believe in Jesus as your saviour and why you need Him. If Jesus died just to save Adam and Eve, your faith is redundant, not needed. The bottom line is that we're all sinners. I believe in the God of the Bible, you obviously don't. If Adam and Eve are symbolic, then so is Noah, Abraham, King David, Jesus Christ etc. Again making your faith redundant.
@Poseidon500 I agree that they represented the whole of humanity as they WERE the whole of humanity. But if you mean imaginary when you say "symbolic", then no, they were definitely real people as confirmed in the gospels by God and the God-inspired writings. You cannot have ANY of the ancestors of Adam if he didn't exist. Therefore by your reckoning, Jesus Christ didn't exist. Neither do you or me.
@ericinnit1 Well here is my spin on it. Adam and Eve were the ENTIRETY of humanity. When WE were cast out of Eden (Heaven) the first two humans ended up on earth in male and female form. As they bred and more people were born, the human spirit became divided. What you and I have now is a small fragment of that origional soul.
However, that was the beginning of man only. The earth itself was arounnd long before that.
@Poseidon500 Eh? Eden was on Earth, not in Heaven. I believe we all have our own soul. Where are you getting your beliefs from? Coz it's not from the Bible.
So, you are indeed calling Jesus a liar by saying the Earth was around long before Adam and Eve.
@ericinnit1 Eden was on earth eh? Well where is it at? Why don't you show me exactly where Eden was?
There are two stories about creation. The heavens and the earth were created first, along with everything else. HE did it in seven days, yet it took billions of years to evolve. Man was created LAST. Therefore evolution could very well have happened, and Adam and Eve WERE representations of the entirety of humanity.
Yet YOU still listen to Hovind's drivel. That is pathetic.
@Poseidon500 Don't you read the Bible? It's not there anymore, it was destroyed in the global flood. So nobody knows where it was.
Er, there's NO mention of billions of years in the Bible whatsoever! You're just making that part up.
In order for evolution theory to be right, death must occur. Yet the Bible is clear that man brought death into the world. So please explain how man could have evolved deom something else. You've already said man was created anyway.
@Poseidon500 The point is, it's an account of creation. So if billions of years had passed, the whole story would be different and they would be mentioned. Man wouldn't have been made on the 6th day and man wouldn't have brought death into the world.
Death is the result of sin. If man hadn't have sinned, Adam and Eve would have lived forever in the Garden of Eden.
So you have many problems to overcome if you think billions of years went by. Jesus said man was made in the beginning.
@ericinnit1 Okay. There are two creation stories in genesis that totally contradict each other.
The first story says that all was created before man was. THIs is in Genesis 1:1 up untill 2:4
The second story starts at 2:5 and continues all the way to 2:25 which totally contradicts the first story. It says man was created out of clay before everything else on earth was created.
THIs makes absolutely NO sense in any way. It is a TOTAL contradiction, therefore literally impossible.
@Poseidon500 WRONG. Classic mistake. Genesis 1 is the order of things. Genesis 2 is a recap of chapter 1.
Chapter 1 is the headline and chapter 2 goes into more detail as to what happened with Adam and Eve. Like how a newspaper is written. It's both the same story, not 2 seperate accounts. In chapter 2 God put Adam in Eden and grew the garden around him so he'd witness God's creative power.
@ericinnit1 You say WRONG to me when I am totally CORRECT. Therefore Genesis is flawed. Therefore I will follow the philosophy of Christs teachings ONLY and ignore this WASTE OF ENERGY arguement about things that really don't matter in the great scheme of things.
Nobody is going to HELL for believing in evolution. Nobody is going to HELL for interpreting Genesis the wrong way. It is too bad people like you pollute the internet with such a waste of time.
@Poseidon500 I say wrong to you because you are wrong. They are not two creation accounts. There is no contradiction. You are just misinterpreting it as do lots of other people.
You also cannot seperate Jesus from the creation account as He is the creator. It's not about going to Hell, you can still have salvation, but your belief is completely flawed and even perhaps redundant. Because without Adam, there's no sin. Without sin, there's no point to Jesus' sacrifice. I'm sorry for shaming you.
@ericinnit1 Sin is our animal side. Our carnal instincts without the use of our concious decision to controll them. Stealing is just looking out for #1. So is jealously, and murder, being inappropriately promisciious, ect ect.
You know, instincts. Like all animals have.
Dogs for example. They steal, they turn on each other, ect.
Jesus came to free us from that, and allow us to become spiritual moral beings.
Genesis is just a symbolic story full of metaphor.
@Poseidon500 Our animal side? We aren't animals though. We rule over all the animals, like it says in the bible. God brought the animals to Adam for him to name them. Did God bring Adam to himself? No, that's ludicrous. Adam wasn't an animal.
You wrongly interpret the bible based on evolution theory. This video shows why your stance is heresy.
@Poseidon500 What's pathetic about the video? You only call it so because it shows you're a heretic. Nothing about the Old Testament is wrong. Are you a Roman Catholic or something? If the OT means nothing to you, then why is it in your bible? And why does Jesus refer to it so many times?
The OT tells us about history. The first 4000 years or so. And if you believe in the gospels, then you know it to be true.
@ericinnit1 If being a heritic is defined as not believing in every word, phrase, and parable in the Bible as being a LITERAL interpretation and the direct word of God, then I GLADLY accept the extreemly judgemental title with which you have labled me with.
When you opinion about me maters, I will let you know.
The Word of God is Jesus Christ and His teachings. It is clearly described in the Gospel of John.
That WHOLE Gospel is about Christ. John 1:1 to 1:5 is all about Christ. It is a description of Jesus Christ. NOT a description of the bible. The BIBLE is NOT the WORD!
And you dare call me the heretic. I call you the hypocrite, for you yourself are the heritic.
@Poseidon500 You are so wrong. I don't worship Moses. Jesus Christ is the creator, the God of Moses, Adam, Adbraham etc. I'm not a heretic because I believe the whole of the Bible, which is inspired by God, not just the New Testament. You don't even believe the NT anyway. You deny Luke chapter 3, Mark 10:6 and Matt 19:4.
So you don't believe in Exodus either then? Even though there's discoveries that support it.
You are the one who said that I dont' believe int he Word of GOd when I clearly do. You made yourself the liar. You made a false assumption. Even in ignorance, it is not an excuse.
Also, Jesus was WITH the creator, but the Father was the creator. You cannot even see how the Trinity is as seperate as it is One.
@Poseidon500 The Bible confirms JC to be the creator. Where in the Bible does it say it's the Father?
The whole of the Bible is the word of God. Do you, or do you not, believe man was made in the beginning? You still haven't answered my question about Exodus. You don't know your own mind do you.
@Poseidon500 And on the subject of Kent Hovind, he's not by any means the authoritive figure of Young Earth Creationism. His ministry is relatively small compared to Answers In Genesis. There are many others, but I mainly only use these 2 ministries for info. I subscribe to the magazine of AIG. Kent is just a better speaker than Ken Ham and his material isn't copyrighted. Go check out AIG's website for more info and answers.
@ericinnit1 I am not a Young Earth Creationist in any sense of the word.
Dinosaurs and humans did not exist at the same time. Humans arived AFTER one of the many Ice Ages, and that is fact.
I did not want to fight with you in the first place. Thank you for this response, which was non-confrontational in nature, and WORTHY of Christ's teachings.
@Poseidon500 Yes I know you're not a Yec. That much I can work out.
Seeing as the global fllod caused the great ice age, humans existed before that. I'd like to see your proof that we didn't though.
We have lived since the beginning, just as Jesus says. The land dwelling dinosaurs we created on the same day as humans. So even if you subscribe to the "Gap Theory" of billions of years between each day, we still lived among dinosaurs.
@Poseidon500 And now we've established that Adam was not symbolic. When did he live? If the Bible is true, we can work out he lived 6000 years ago. If you think he didn't live in the beginning, you are calling Jesus a liar. And by believing in evolution, you are saying death brought man into the world, whereas the Bible clearly says man brought death into the world.
@ericinnit1 Also, saying that you do not take the whole bible as literal, and then saying that the creation myth IS, is crazy. If anything, the creation myth should NOT be taking literalat all.
@Poseidon500 The book of Luke must also be a lie because it says Adam was the first man and it gives the genealogy from Adam to Jesus.
So if a day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day, then that's that cancelled out isn't it.
Even if one creation day was a thousand years, that's 6 thousand years, not 6 billion years. Adam wasn't over 1000 years old when he died either, so that theory doesn't work.
The bible says man brought death into the world, evolution says the opposite.
And where did sin come from? Adam and Eve brought in sin when they rebelled against God. And of course we live in a cursed world, which was part of the punishment from God. You cannot disregard Adam if you believe and trust in Jesus Christ. There's no picking and choosing which parts of the Bible to believe in.
@ericinnit1 Sin came from the entire spirit of humanity. And YES I certainly CAN pick and choose the way that I am inspired to interpret the scriptures.
@ericinnit1 Do not throw words into my mouth. I CAN and DO interpret the scriptures as I am inspired to do. I never said that Dawkins and Darwin inspired me. When did I ever say that? You said that about me, but I never said that at all.
Your admiration of Kent Hovind is pathetic.
Do not INSULT my intelligence with your strawman arguements and prejudiced opinions. You obviously lack the intellect to comprehend what i am saying, especially if you take the entire bible literally.
No evidence for evolution? whatever, evolution IS right. all holy books are interpretations on what god actually is. this is why i'm agnostic. no religion can prove themselves right or each other wrong. evolution makes perfect sense...The sun must come before plants in order for plants to survive, it's pretty common sense that water (being the ocean) is below the atmosphere.
Evolution is cruel not god.. So what about the g reat flood; Everything DEAD except two pairs of each. What a hwap of crap, bullshit, nonsense, rubbish
the bible my freind,by putting humans above evry life form exept each other and implying we can use the planet as we wish.we all have a differnt idea about ''as we wish''.and we have done poorly.jesus say ,if a tree bearsno fruit...burn it.thats christianity.luv 2 ya..do better.
But the whole natural world apart from humans rely's on survival of the fittest Kent, does that mean that God is still a "retard" for doing it that way?...hmmmm
david1611kjv 5 days ago
@david1611kjv Survival of the fittest is not evolution theory. Of course the fittest have better chances of survival.
Why name yourself after a Bible version, then set about to argue against it?
ericinnit1 5 days ago
@ericinnit1 who's argueing against the bible?....i am argueing Kent Hovinds ridiculous interpretations and hypocrisy...i do not believe in evolution, and i do not believe that "Dr" Hovind has the first clue about what the scriptures teach.
david1611kjv 5 days ago
@david1611kjv So what do you actually believe? I believe in the creation account in Genesis, which is what Kent also believes.
ericinnit1 5 days ago
@ericinnit1 i believe in the authority of the scriptures first of all.i just do not believe a purely literal approach to interpretation of them...i believe Kent is sincere, but he does his arguement no favours with coming out with such contradictory statements.
david1611kjv 4 days ago
The God of the old testament IS a cruel, jealous and horrid God commanding subservience and Rape, Genocide, Stoning children to death, sacrifices etc etc. Yaaweh was the old Jewish God of war that the Isrealites believed would lead them to the promised land. They believed that the Sun revolved around the earth and the earth was flat. I am afraid that you are deluding yourself if you believe Ken Hovinds rubbish. (Oh isn't he the one charged with 58 counts of fraud?)
Supemarshallmarshall 1 month ago
Okay cool, so since evolution is now a proven fact, you just secured the disproving of the God of the Bible. Thanks! =)
chilledkirby 2 months ago
@chilledkirby If you can prove evolution theory to be a fact, then go right ahead and try.
ericinnit1 2 months ago
@ericinnit1 It is currently at the level of proven fact. It is a "theory" in the same sense that the "Heliocentric theory of the solar system" - the theory that the sun is at the center of our solar system - is a theory. It way too vast to type here, but I would direct you to any professional website for the evidence of evolution.
chilledkirby 2 months ago
@chilledkirby Perhaps by the atheist community, because it's the only thing they cling to and use artist's impressions and lies to perceive it as fact when it isn't.
ericinnit1 2 months ago
@ericinnit1 Present evidence that it's not a fact to me. Evidence found by people qualified in their fields.
chilledkirby 2 months ago
I'm not YEC, but this is entertaining...
logicCplusplus 7 months ago
@logicCplusplus
don't call us "young earth creationists"
Eye2EyeIIIV 6 months ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV
What then is Kent Hovind if not a YEC?
logicCplusplus 6 months ago
@logicCplusplus
He's a BIBLICAL creationist
answersingenesis . org/get-answers/young-earth-creationists
Eye2EyeIIIV 6 months ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV
A biblical creationist is not a YEC?
logicCplusplus 6 months ago
@logicCplusplus
actually the the fact of a "young earth" & "6 day creation" comes directly FROM the Bible - no compromised positions come from the bible at all.
Eye2EyeIIIV 6 months ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV
In any case, the Bible does not say anything about how long, or what exact process God used to create.
logicCplusplus 6 months ago
@logicCplusplus The Bible says it took 6 days.
ericinnit1 5 months ago
@ericinnit1
So your saying God, used earth days to create earth? 24 hours is an earth day.
God is not limited to some time frame that is only valid from a human perspective before the fact (before the earth was created itself to even talk about a 24 hour period).
logicCplusplus 5 months ago
@logicCplusplus No, I'm saying God gave us information so we can understand it. A day is 24 hours, as we understand it. The Hebrew word used for each day of the creation account is the same word used for the days of Jonah in the big fish. He puropsefully did it in 6 days (+1 to rest) to give us the working week we still use today. He could have made everything in less than a second if He wanted. 24 hours can still exist without the Earth.
ericinnit1 5 months ago
@ericinnit1
Yes, but you see the point don't you?
A 24 hour period is an earth day. On Mars, Venus and other planets, there is a different period which translates into a day; a day there maybe months or year. If God was an alien, then maybe, but if God was the creator of the Universe, then I doubt time is relevant at all, since God created time itself. Either way, arguing over this is useless in my opinion, and is not going to make a difference in belief anyways.
logicCplusplus 5 months ago
@logicCplusplus Well seing as He sepcifically made Earth for our home and to sustain life and that He was telling us Earth dwellers what happened, we can be sure that when He says "day", He means 24 hours, just as we understand what day is. How long a day is on all the other planets is irrelevant.
ericinnit1 5 months ago
But the God of the bible has obviously allowed suffering in the world anyway, so why not have biological evolution? We see suffering in nature every minute of the day regardless of speciation! So in the process of those suffering, why not have a change in time?
treasuredroperX 7 months ago
You fairy tale believers crack me up. Kent Hovind is an insult to human intellegence. Evolution has mountains of overwhelming evidence that is peer reviewed. Creationism and ID are nothing but fairy tales.
MrKGatl 7 months ago
@Trilimionity Not sure what your questions actually are and how they relate to man bringing death into the world. What do you mean by "the fall of satan"? Yes he is a fallen angel and was kicked out of Heaven before the creation of the world.
ericinnit1 7 months ago
If evolution is so "cruel" and God is humble, then why does God allow humans, his children to have cancer? I am a Theistic evolutionist. I do believe in god, but also evolution.
sciencenerd299792458 8 months ago
@sciencenerd299792458 Have you not read Genesis? The ground from which we eat is cursed as punishment for bringing sin into the world. From this cursed earth we get diseases, natural disasters etc. Tell me, which came first, birds or a T-rex?
ericinnit1 8 months ago
@ericinnit1
Birds are a group of theropod dinosaurs that evolved during the the mesozoic era. tell me this you obviously believe in the bible word for word i take it so, how does a man service in a whale? It is Finding Nemo all over again. Most christians do not believe in demands and ghost, but in the bible God freed people of demands that possessed them. Where is the proof of God? Evolution has 6 revealing evidence. I could write a book and say this is Bob the true God .
sciencenerd299792458 7 months ago
@sciencenerd299792458 You could do, but it wouldn't be inspired by Bob the god, so it wouldn't work. Thus it would have no followers, except perhaps yourself and a few random people (a bit like the pastafarians). If you want proof of God, you need to see Him at work. Go find the power of the Holy Spirit.
ericinnit1 7 months ago
@ericinnit1
tell me some evidence of God. evolution has Fossil Records,comparative anatomy, comparative biochemistry, comparative embryology, molecular biology, and biogeorgraphy.
sciencenerd299792458 7 months ago
@sciencenerd299792458 I'm also a Theistic Evolutionist and believe in God ( Christian ) and this is seriously retarded. I'm really fed up with all creationism.
TheisticThinker 7 months ago
@TheisticThinker You're fed up because your belief makes no sense. If it made sense, this video and creationism wouldn't bother you.
ericinnit1 7 months ago
@ericinnit1 Belief? Shut up, learn something about Evolution or just stop talking about it. Do it from a Biologist, not from a retard like the man in this video.
TheisticThinker 7 months ago
@TheisticThinker So you tell me, which came first, the seagull or the T-Rex?
ericinnit1 7 months ago
@ericinnit1 So you answered with something irrelevant, answer me, why do you think that you are educated on Biology by watching this nutcase who isn't specialized in this area? Creationism is only a big thing in USA, even the catholic church thinks Creationism is nuts and think that Evolution is the proper way. Some Christian Biologists supporting evolution; Francis Collins, Kenneth Miller and Darrel Falk.
TheisticThinker 7 months ago
@TheisticThinker It is irrelevant. it is totally relevant! All you're doing is slagging off the messenger, that's completely off topic. You dare not answer the question because you know evolution theory and the Bible ARE at odds with each other. Completely contradictory world views.
I do not care for the Roman Catholic church, I know they do not believe the Christian Bible.
Answer the question or shut up.
ericinnit1 7 months ago
@ericinnit1 Regarding your stupid irrelevant question, I don't know much about in what time period every animal developed, but Dinosaurs got extinct 65 million years ago. Birds developed out of Theropod's in the Mesozoic Era.
TheisticThinker 7 months ago
@TheisticThinker If you think it is irrelevant, you do not know the book of Genesis and the theory of evolution.
Evolution says dinosaurs came first, Genesis says birds were made first. You cannot believe both.
ericinnit1 7 months ago
@ericinnit1 You don't seem to know literature well. Genesis not being literal has nothing to do wether it is true or not. Arguing with you is seriously draining my IQ, and also, I can say, it was because of Dr. Kent Hovind and other YEC that I almost became Atheist. Thanks for that. Watch this documentary to get a better picture, I doubt you will ever change your mind because you seem quite ignorant and close minded but I give it a try
TheisticThinker 7 months ago
@TheisticThinker Well Gen 1 is a historic account of creation and it's order. It clearly says birds were made on the 5th day and land animals and man were made on the 6th day. There's no other way of interpreting it. Do you also cut Adam out of your Bible?
ericinnit1 7 months ago
@ericinnit1 No it is not, the majority of theologians have never intepreted Genesis historically, also, Gods other book, nature, testifies that truth. Watch the documentary, it is impossible to argue with you, you are to close minded. Watch the documentary I linked and you'll get my view on this.
TheisticThinker 7 months ago
@TheisticThinker Well if you feel you cannot win the argument, you must realise that your position is wrong. I used to have doubt too when I was your age and wasn't too sure what was true, until I discovered creationism and that we can indeed believe in the truth of Genesis. Without the literal creation account, none of the rest of the Bible makes sense. For example, look in the book of Luke, you have the genealogy from Adam to Jesus. Adam being the first man God created.
ericinnit1 7 months ago
@ericinnit1 Please, youa re just making Creationists sound stupidier than they already is. I said it is not worth arguing with you because you are by far the most close minded and ignorant person I've met on Youtube. Please, for my view, watch the documentary, even if you don't agree with it, watch it and then you can ask questions. I am a Christian just like you, but we can atleast try to understand eachothers views, watch the documentary, then you can ask questions.
TheisticThinker 7 months ago
@TheisticThinker Ok I've got to just 5:28 in the video and he misunderstands Gen 2 as do so many people who argue against the creation account. Gen 2 is not a different account of the creation, it is a revision of Gen 1 and additionally the creation of the garden of Eden around Adam. It's no wonder you're confused! It is impossible to adhere to gap theory and evolution because there is no death until Adam sinned. Evolution cannot occur without death. Ergo, it didn't happen and you're wrong.
ericinnit1 7 months ago
@ericinnit1 Nice that you are wathcing it, but please, watch the whole, then we can discuss the issues. Thanks
TheisticThinker 7 months ago
@TheisticThinker Well we can discuss it while I'm watching it. Start with my last comment about gap theory and your belief that death was before sin. The Bible clearly states death is the result of sin. You believe death created man, I believe God created man.
ericinnit1 7 months ago
@ericinnit1 You should watch this vid /watch?v=mdXk3ixbQME
It's the first creation vid I watched and from then on was hooked. Watched the whole 7 video seminar of Hovind's, then discovered AIG's website. Bought books, went to a live seminar in London and subscribed to the magazine. AIG have scientists working for their ministry and would answer questions from anyone.
ericinnit1 7 months ago
The documentary: /watch?v=mEwrkjTbWgU&feature=related
TheisticThinker 7 months ago
The explanation depends on whether the God of the Bible actually exists. This is still being heavily debated.
MrBassDude15 9 months ago
I've seen a long of very ridiculous on Youtube. This might be the SINGLE most ridiculous one I have EVER seen.
RaiderJoe76 11 months ago
@RaiderJoe76 This guy's argument is horrid. In order to not beleive in natural selection he also has to not believe in carnivores
GamerJerks 10 months ago
"waste not, want not" ---Benjamin Franklin is not God.
EastofForever 1 year ago
we need teilhard de chardin today more than ever...
EastofForever 1 year ago
Oops! I guess it was saving them. Sorry.
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
Is this the kind, loving god that you are speaking of?
Deuteronomy 22: 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
That's terrible! Rape a virgin and then if you are caught, pay her father 50 shekels and marry her and all is forgiven?!?!?
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
@yrunuts1962 Everyone does have the same one God, as there is only one. However, the Jews and Muslims all worship fake gods that do not exist. God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Both the Jews and Muslims deny Christ.
It doesn't say in the passage that all will be forgiven.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1, You are full of crap. They all believe in the god of Abraham. They share a number of the same stories.
Way to side step the obvious!! Very nicely done!! Your god gave those sick laws and as long as you follow those laws, god has nothing to forgive. So, go forth and rape you a virgin, stone a non-believer!
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
@yrunuts1962 No they don't. The God of Abraham is the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Only Christians believe in Him.
Even if you follow God's laws, you are still a sinner and in need of forgiveness.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
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@ericinnit1: "Even if you follow God's laws, you are still a sinner and in need of forgiveness." Makes no sense.
"Christians believe in Him." Of course, they are the ones who made him up.
Again, you side step the law. Your god's laws allow for rape, slavery and murder to name a few. How do you feel about that?
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
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@ericinnit1: "Even if you follow God's laws, you are still a sinner and in need of forgiveness." Makes no sense.
"Christians believe in Him." Of course, they are the ones who made him up.
Again, you side step the law. Your god's laws allow for rape, slavery and murder to name a few. How do you feel about that?
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
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@ericinnit1 "Even if you follow God's laws, you are still a sinner and in need of forgiveness." Makes no sense.
"Christians believe in Him." Of course, they are the ones who made him up.
Again, you side step the law. Your god's laws allow for rape, slavery and murder to name a few. How do you feel about that?
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
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yrunuts1962 1 year ago
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"Even if you follow God's laws, you are still a sinner and in need of forgiveness." Makes no sense.
"Christians believe in Him." Of course, they are the ones who made him up.
Again, you side step the law. Your god's laws allow for rape, slavery and murder to name a few. How do you feel about that?
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
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@ericinnit1, "Even if you follow God's laws, you are still a sinner and in need of forgiveness." Makes no sense.
"Christians believe in Him." Of course, they are the ones who made him up.
Again, you side step the law. Your god's laws allow for rape, slavery and murder to name a few. How do you feel about that?
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
@yrunuts1962 All of humanity are sinners. We are born with sin. Nobody is sinless apart from JC. We didn't make God up, He made us.
God doesn't allow rape or murder. Slavery is those times is different to the version we know of today. It was a job that people volunteered for to help pay debts and support their families.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1, If that is the way you feel, fine with me. But as far as you assertions that your god did not allow rape and murder, you are dead wrong. It is clear that you have not read your bible. If you only read the parts the preacher tells you to, you will never know anything but what he/she wants you to know. If they is a god, I am sure that he would require you to read the complete manual.
As for the slavery remark, you are dead wrong again. You must read the bible you thump!!!
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
@yrunuts1962 Nowhere in the bible does God allow rape or murder. Show me the passages if you think it does. I am not restricted to what I read, I read as much as I can of it.
To understand the slavery of those days, you need to have an understanding of history. They only work as slaves for a few years and it wasn't a racial thing or involving kidnapping etc.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Some light reading: Judges 21:10-24, Numbers 31:7-18, Deuteronomy 20:10-14, Deuteronomy 21:10-14.
So, tell me, how long was a slave kept? After that time, what happened to the wife and children of that slave?
You really need to stop and read the entire bible! Many of the stories in there will turn your stomach! And most of the atrocities where by orders from your god.
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
@yrunuts1962 They would be slaves for no more than 7 years. People would sell themselves for payment up front to work as a hired servant for an agreed duration. The wife and children of the slave would then get their father/husband back.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1, you have not read your bible! If the master gave the slave a wife and they had children, at the end of the 7 years, the master kept and owned the wife and children. You must read the bible!!! The whole book!
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
@yrunuts1962 Where does it say that? It's not in the part about letting the slaves go (Deut 15).
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1, Some more light reading, Leviticus 25:44-46 Exodus 21:2-6 Exodus 21:7-11 Exodus 21:20-21 Ephesians 6:5
My opinion is, you have been told what to believe, what to read and that Atheists are evil. After reading the bible, you might see that your god was far more evil that you could ever have imagined.
Also, since your god has rules for slavery, should we have slavery today? If not, why not? Isn't god's law above man's law?
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
@yrunuts1962 So the master only keeps the wife if she is given to the slave by the master. And the slave can stay with the master if he wants and then stays with his wife too.
But if he has a wife before he becomes a slave, she doesn't stay with the master.
God doesn't say we should have slaves, He just sets ground rules in case we do, so that they are treated fairly.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1, you are trying very hard to make it sound OK, and that your god did nothing wrong. This is called rationalization.
I do not wish to convert you, but I hope that I have opened your eyes enough that you want to read more. I do not respect most christians, because they have not read the bible they thump. The preachers do not come out and say, "Only read from here to here.", but they certainly don't encourage reading further. They know that most people will not read it!
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
@yrunuts1962 You haven't opened my eyes to anything new. I already knew about these passages and that God was more ruthless before He experienced life as a human 2000 years ago.
I don't know what form of Christianity you've experienced, but my preacher doesn't discourage reading of any parts of the Bible. I say "my preacher", but I've not been to church for a few years. But I guess I still belong to the church I went to and got baptised with.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1, I haven't opened your eyes to anything new?!?!? Then why did you have to ask, "Where in the bible does it say that?" That doesn't sound like you new! According to your post, you thought that (Deut 15). was the only law about slavery. To be a christian, you have to rationalize, minimize and ignore much of the bible. Then, to top it off, you have to say something like, " You haven't opened my eyes to anything new." BS! or you wouldn't has asked, "WHERE"!
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
@yrunuts1962 Because it doesn't say that the master then owns the slaves wife. You lied.
The master only keeps the wife and kids if the master gives the slave the wife in the first place.
So it's true, you haven't opened my eyes to anything new.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1, I quote, "but his wife and children will still belong to his master" Do you know what "belong to" means?
I quote, "You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance." Sounds like ownership to me!
I quote, "After that, the slave will belong to his master forever." Again, "Belong to". Now, it you wish to lie and bullshit, do it with someone else. What you have written here is proof enough that you are both uneducated and a liar.
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
@yrunuts1962
*sigh* atheists always have to result in name calling. Had you been educated, you'd be a Christian.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 haha, irony much?
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Has you been educated properly, you'd be atheist. =)
benares180 11 months ago
@benares180 Then please educate me lol. There is nothing you can tell me that can deny the power of God.
ericinnit1 11 months ago
@ericinnit1 there is nothing you could tell me that can deny the power of santa claus
MrKGatl 8 months ago
You do not have a different god than the Mormons, Jews, or Muslims, you just believe in different ways to god. You all believe in the god of Abraham.
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
To this VERY the stronger species survive while the weakest fall. Just watch any nature show.
Kent Hovind is a blind false teacher and deserves NO respect.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 How about actually trying to defend your position instead of slagging off the messenger?
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 I have defended my position, you just refuse to accept it.
And Hovind is NO messenger. Hovind is a delusional fraud. In his teachings, and in his LIFE.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
A single page from The Origin of Species contains more truth than all 66 books of the Bible combined.
729pete 1 year ago
@729pete You couldn't be more wrong. Darwin took the theory (which wasn't his in the first place) too far.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
How in the name of GOD is evolution cruel?
This guy makes no sense.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500
"Haters are those people who just leave idiotic comments under peoples videos in order to make themselves feel important." - Poseidon500.
Those of use who understand evolution theory know that it requires death, disease, the struggle for survival in order to work. For a god to use evolution in his creation, he must be a cruel god. That is not the nature of the God of the Bible.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Dude, I may be a criticizer, but I am no hater. Thanks for quoting me.
Death is necessary, so is disease. Without idisease we would be overpopulated even MORE so than we are now, and we would have all starved to death a long time ago.
I am not sure if you were argueing with me here, or agreeing with me. I am confused.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 No, he makes no sense. And that's not very surprising, because he is a totally uneducated and ignorant, lying con-man. He lied about "having taught science in highschool" and about "having a ph.d". The fact is that he has never "taught" anyone else than his evangelist congregation, and his "ph.d" was bought at the fake diploma mill named "Patriot Bible University". Anyone can buy a "ph.d" there. And he's currently serving a ten-year sentence for tax-fraud and more. He's Kent Hovind.
winterstellar 1 year ago
@winterstellar He's a lying psudo-christian evangelist. All the preachers who become famous share that same trait. They are selfish, and only worry about their own spotlight.
But that is not what disturbs me. What disturbs me is that there are people who still listen to him.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500
@winterstellar
That's right. Attack the messenger and not the message. Typical tactics by someone who has no argument against the message. I bet you didn't actually watch the video.
It's actually for Christians who believe in evolution "theory", not for atheists who just go around hating everything that's good and true. There's other videos for your kind.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 I am not an atheist. I am a theist who attempts to follow the philosophy of the teachings of Christ. I do NOT believe in the creation myth as a litteral story, and I do not see the bible as the direct literal word of God. The Word of God is contained in parts of the bible, but the entire bible itself is NOT THE WORD OF GOD. DO you know what the Word Of God is?
I do not hate what is good and true. It is people like Kent Hovind and his followers who do.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 So you don't believe 2 Timothy 3:16-17 then?
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Jesus was the creator God who made Adam and Eve in the beginning, just like He said he did in Matt 19:4 and Mark 10:6. And I suppose you take the book of Luke out of your Bible too because Adam is mentioned.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 When Paul wrote that letter to Timothy, The New Testament was not even IN the Scriptures at the time. The teachings of Christ pretty much recinded a lot of the Old Law.
When Christ said that "Not One letter of the Law will be abolished untill all is fulfilled" Christ was talking about Himself dying for our sins. He fullfilled the old Law with that sacrifice, and at that point, it was fulfilled. Therefore at that point, the Old Law was abolished.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500
So you don't regard the NT as the word of God then? Yet you follow Christ? Yes I understand Jesus fulfilled the old law, but it doesn't make the OT irrelevant.
You disregard the gospels Matt, Mark and Luke because they mention God created us in the beginning and that Adam was the first man. So I guess it makes sense that you don't regard the NT as God's word either. So why believe in Christ if it's not God's word? I'm struggling to find any sense in where you're coming from.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 What Christ taught is the Word. Jesus Christ is literally the Word of God.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500
Oh so you now agree that man WAS made in the beginning?
How does that fit into your belief of evolution?
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 It depends on the definition of "the beginning".
What exactly WAS the beginning? The beginning of mankind as he is today? The beginning of the earth? Were Andam and Even individual people or were they the representation mankind in it's entirety?
Argueing such things such as evolution is pointless and unnecessary. Following Christs teachings, the morality behind it is all that matters to achieve one's salvation.
All evidence supports evolution and yes life is cruel.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500
The beginning of time obviously. Who are Andam and Even? Never heard of them.
Adam and Eve were individual people of course. If you read Luke 3 you'll see that he was the first person in the genealogy of Christ. The answers to your questions are in the Bible. Yet you choose to disregard God's word in exhange for the foolish ideas of men.
Arguing evolution is not pointless or unnecessary. The whole point of Christ dying on the cross for us was due to sin.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 No it is NOT obvious. It may have been the beginning of OUR time as humans, but of time itself?
Nope.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500
What other meaning could "The beginning" be?
In Genesis, God says He made the Heavens, Earth and all that is in them, in the beginning, within 6 days. Jesus is quoted of saying man was made in the beginning in the New Testament. They are both talking of the same thing. Why would anyone interpret that any differently? There's no doubt. Unless of course you want to change the meanings in order to fit man-made theories into the Bible.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 There is no THEORY about it. The earth is much older than 6000 years, the universe is far older than that.
Oh and you are welcome to show me the quote by Jesus saying that man was made at the beginnig of the New Testament, (which had better have been an ERROR on your part.)
The entire bible was simplified in oder for primitive man to understand it. But to take that all literally in this day and age is just plain foolish.
Foolish. Like those who listen to Kent Hovind.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 I do not take the whole bible as literal, that is absurd. Obviously the creation account is literal though because it's a historical account.
I've already showed you where Jesus said we were made in the beginning. Matt 19:4 and Mark 10:6.
There's is only 4000 years between Adam and Jesus Christ's birth. So where do these billions of years fit it? And where is the proof that they existed?
I agree the Bible is simple enough for all to understand it, so why don't you?
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Okay. You take the creation account as literal. Therefore we are all going to Hell unless we are saved because two of our ancestors really messed up. That makes absolutely no sense.
I had a great grandfather who was a molestor. Does that make his children, and his children's children guilty? No.
Therefore a literal account of Genesis is totally ludicris. The bible also says that a day for God is like 1000 years and a 1000 years like a day.
I undertand more than you do.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 Why do you say it makes no sense then say you understand more than I do? Of course it makes sense. God's law was for humanity and we ballsed it up. So we are punished. Of course we are all going to Hell unless we are saved, that's what Christianity is all about. Do you think everyone is going to Heaven then? Even the Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists?
Everyone is a sinner and needs a saviour.
Only a literal Genesis makes any sense. Remember Luke 3?
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 A literal genesis makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.
God law was for HUMANITY. You stated just that. Therefore Adam and Eve must be symbolic representations for the entirety of humanity. Therefore genesis and creation cannot logically be taken literal. No will I ever take it literally, nor will I back down on my stance about this subject. The man who wrote Luke was not there at the time. Thw only reason i give the gospels ANY credit is because they are more similar then different.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 They weren't symbolic, but they represented the entire human population, as they were the only humans alive. And so as were are their descendants, we are also punished. We all sin anyway, so what are you complaining about?
Why do you keep saying "therefore genesis and creation cannot lagically be taken literal" when you haven't given a valid reason?
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 I have given you a VALID reason and you werewtoo stupid to see it.
Remember my comment about my great grandfather. Or are you too busy argueing instead of listening, or reading for that matter.
Why is it MY fault that Adam and Eve sinned? It's not! Therefore genesis is NOT to be taken literal.
IF it is literal, then your god is an asshole! But of course, you give creedence to the preachings of Kent Hovind, and refuse to use the mind that God gave you.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 It's not your fault they sinned. As Adam and Eve represented all of humanity, all of humanity are punished. Ask yourself why you believe in Jesus as your saviour and why you need Him. If Jesus died just to save Adam and Eve, your faith is redundant, not needed. The bottom line is that we're all sinners. I believe in the God of the Bible, you obviously don't. If Adam and Eve are symbolic, then so is Noah, Abraham, King David, Jesus Christ etc. Again making your faith redundant.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 So then you agree. Adam and Eve were symbolic representations of the entirety of humanity.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 I agree that they represented the whole of humanity as they WERE the whole of humanity. But if you mean imaginary when you say "symbolic", then no, they were definitely real people as confirmed in the gospels by God and the God-inspired writings. You cannot have ANY of the ancestors of Adam if he didn't exist. Therefore by your reckoning, Jesus Christ didn't exist. Neither do you or me.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Well here is my spin on it. Adam and Eve were the ENTIRETY of humanity. When WE were cast out of Eden (Heaven) the first two humans ended up on earth in male and female form. As they bred and more people were born, the human spirit became divided. What you and I have now is a small fragment of that origional soul.
However, that was the beginning of man only. The earth itself was arounnd long before that.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 Eh? Eden was on Earth, not in Heaven. I believe we all have our own soul. Where are you getting your beliefs from? Coz it's not from the Bible.
So, you are indeed calling Jesus a liar by saying the Earth was around long before Adam and Eve.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Eden was on earth eh? Well where is it at? Why don't you show me exactly where Eden was?
There are two stories about creation. The heavens and the earth were created first, along with everything else. HE did it in seven days, yet it took billions of years to evolve. Man was created LAST. Therefore evolution could very well have happened, and Adam and Eve WERE representations of the entirety of humanity.
Yet YOU still listen to Hovind's drivel. That is pathetic.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 Don't you read the Bible? It's not there anymore, it was destroyed in the global flood. So nobody knows where it was.
Er, there's NO mention of billions of years in the Bible whatsoever! You're just making that part up.
In order for evolution theory to be right, death must occur. Yet the Bible is clear that man brought death into the world. So please explain how man could have evolved deom something else. You've already said man was created anyway.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 The colour purple isn;t mentioed in the bible either, so it must not exist.
I am tired of your moronic notions.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 The point is, it's an account of creation. So if billions of years had passed, the whole story would be different and they would be mentioned. Man wouldn't have been made on the 6th day and man wouldn't have brought death into the world.
Death is the result of sin. If man hadn't have sinned, Adam and Eve would have lived forever in the Garden of Eden.
So you have many problems to overcome if you think billions of years went by. Jesus said man was made in the beginning.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 Oh and purple is in the Bible 10 times. Not that I'm using that as an argument though ;)
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Sweet! : ) LOL
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 And Jesus said it twice so people would understand. But yet you still don't :s
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Okay. There are two creation stories in genesis that totally contradict each other.
The first story says that all was created before man was. THIs is in Genesis 1:1 up untill 2:4
The second story starts at 2:5 and continues all the way to 2:25 which totally contradicts the first story. It says man was created out of clay before everything else on earth was created.
THIs makes absolutely NO sense in any way. It is a TOTAL contradiction, therefore literally impossible.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 WRONG. Classic mistake. Genesis 1 is the order of things. Genesis 2 is a recap of chapter 1.
Chapter 1 is the headline and chapter 2 goes into more detail as to what happened with Adam and Eve. Like how a newspaper is written. It's both the same story, not 2 seperate accounts. In chapter 2 God put Adam in Eden and grew the garden around him so he'd witness God's creative power.
There isn't any contradiction in the Bible.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 You say WRONG to me when I am totally CORRECT. Therefore Genesis is flawed. Therefore I will follow the philosophy of Christs teachings ONLY and ignore this WASTE OF ENERGY arguement about things that really don't matter in the great scheme of things.
Nobody is going to HELL for believing in evolution. Nobody is going to HELL for interpreting Genesis the wrong way. It is too bad people like you pollute the internet with such a waste of time.
Knock it off.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 I say wrong to you because you are wrong. They are not two creation accounts. There is no contradiction. You are just misinterpreting it as do lots of other people.
You also cannot seperate Jesus from the creation account as He is the creator. It's not about going to Hell, you can still have salvation, but your belief is completely flawed and even perhaps redundant. Because without Adam, there's no sin. Without sin, there's no point to Jesus' sacrifice. I'm sorry for shaming you.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 I never said that there was not sin. I just said that the Genesis myth is impossible to take literally.
Also, it is impossible you the likes of you to shame me. The only person you shame is yourself.
You ignore everything I say to you and miss the point completely.
Enough.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 Then tell me where sin came from without a literal Adam.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Sin is our animal side. Our carnal instincts without the use of our concious decision to controll them. Stealing is just looking out for #1. So is jealously, and murder, being inappropriately promisciious, ect ect.
You know, instincts. Like all animals have.
Dogs for example. They steal, they turn on each other, ect.
Jesus came to free us from that, and allow us to become spiritual moral beings.
Genesis is just a symbolic story full of metaphor.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 Our animal side? We aren't animals though. We rule over all the animals, like it says in the bible. God brought the animals to Adam for him to name them. Did God bring Adam to himself? No, that's ludicrous. Adam wasn't an animal.
You wrongly interpret the bible based on evolution theory. This video shows why your stance is heresy.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 All this video shows me is that Kent Hovind is a complete TWIT!
What part of that did you not understand about that before? This video shows me NOTHING.
This video is pathetic!
Predators kill the weak all the time! IT happens to this very day! The stupidity of message ios profound!
Now either block me or stop talking to me. Your choice, "Christian"
No evidence for evolution? All the scientific evidence points to evolution, and most of the OLD Testament is WRONG!
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 What's pathetic about the video? You only call it so because it shows you're a heretic. Nothing about the Old Testament is wrong. Are you a Roman Catholic or something? If the OT means nothing to you, then why is it in your bible? And why does Jesus refer to it so many times?
The OT tells us about history. The first 4000 years or so. And if you believe in the gospels, then you know it to be true.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 If being a heritic is defined as not believing in every word, phrase, and parable in the Bible as being a LITERAL interpretation and the direct word of God, then I GLADLY accept the extreemly judgemental title with which you have labled me with.
When you opinion about me maters, I will let you know.
But before I leave please take this advice......
Climb down from your self imposed "Ivory tower."
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 No. I never said the whole bible is literal. We've already gone over this, why act ignorant again?
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 If you take Genesis as literal, then you are the ignorant one.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 Ignorant of what? I'm not the one who doesn't believe the word of God. Am I to assume that you also don't believe in Exodus?
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 The Word of God is not the Bible.
The Word of God is Jesus Christ and His teachings. It is clearly described in the Gospel of John.
That WHOLE Gospel is about Christ. John 1:1 to 1:5 is all about Christ. It is a description of Jesus Christ. NOT a description of the bible. The BIBLE is NOT the WORD!
And you dare call me the heretic. I call you the hypocrite, for you yourself are the heritic.
You worship Moses instead of Christ.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 You are so wrong. I don't worship Moses. Jesus Christ is the creator, the God of Moses, Adam, Adbraham etc. I'm not a heretic because I believe the whole of the Bible, which is inspired by God, not just the New Testament. You don't even believe the NT anyway. You deny Luke chapter 3, Mark 10:6 and Matt 19:4.
So you don't believe in Exodus either then? Even though there's discoveries that support it.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 How am I wrong?
You are the one who said that I dont' believe int he Word of GOd when I clearly do. You made yourself the liar. You made a false assumption. Even in ignorance, it is not an excuse.
Also, Jesus was WITH the creator, but the Father was the creator. You cannot even see how the Trinity is as seperate as it is One.
You don't get it. I waste my time on you.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 The Bible confirms JC to be the creator. Where in the Bible does it say it's the Father?
The whole of the Bible is the word of God. Do you, or do you not, believe man was made in the beginning? You still haven't answered my question about Exodus. You don't know your own mind do you.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 And on the subject of Kent Hovind, he's not by any means the authoritive figure of Young Earth Creationism. His ministry is relatively small compared to Answers In Genesis. There are many others, but I mainly only use these 2 ministries for info. I subscribe to the magazine of AIG. Kent is just a better speaker than Ken Ham and his material isn't copyrighted. Go check out AIG's website for more info and answers.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 I am not a Young Earth Creationist in any sense of the word.
Dinosaurs and humans did not exist at the same time. Humans arived AFTER one of the many Ice Ages, and that is fact.
I did not want to fight with you in the first place. Thank you for this response, which was non-confrontational in nature, and WORTHY of Christ's teachings.
Peace be with you.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 Yes I know you're not a Yec. That much I can work out.
Seeing as the global fllod caused the great ice age, humans existed before that. I'd like to see your proof that we didn't though.
We have lived since the beginning, just as Jesus says. The land dwelling dinosaurs we created on the same day as humans. So even if you subscribe to the "Gap Theory" of billions of years between each day, we still lived among dinosaurs.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Well, we have to agree to dissagree then.
All evidence points to the earth being millions, if not billions of years old.
Peace.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 You say "WE" instead of Adam and eve. So you finally agree with me!
Good.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 And now we've established that Adam was not symbolic. When did he live? If the Bible is true, we can work out he lived 6000 years ago. If you think he didn't live in the beginning, you are calling Jesus a liar. And by believing in evolution, you are saying death brought man into the world, whereas the Bible clearly says man brought death into the world.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 No we have not established that at all. You are argueing yourself into a corner.
You are proving me correct the more you respond.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Also, saying that you do not take the whole bible as literal, and then saying that the creation myth IS, is crazy. If anything, the creation myth should NOT be taking literalat all.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 The book of Luke must also be a lie because it says Adam was the first man and it gives the genealogy from Adam to Jesus.
So if a day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day, then that's that cancelled out isn't it.
Even if one creation day was a thousand years, that's 6 thousand years, not 6 billion years. Adam wasn't over 1000 years old when he died either, so that theory doesn't work.
The bible says man brought death into the world, evolution says the opposite.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 You don't have a clue what imagery is do you?
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500
And where did sin come from? Adam and Eve brought in sin when they rebelled against God. And of course we live in a cursed world, which was part of the punishment from God. You cannot disregard Adam if you believe and trust in Jesus Christ. There's no picking and choosing which parts of the Bible to believe in.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Sin came from the entire spirit of humanity. And YES I certainly CAN pick and choose the way that I am inspired to interpret the scriptures.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@Poseidon500 No, You cannot choose to misinterpret the bible using inspiration from Darwin, Dawkins etc.
Jesus speaks the truth.
ericinnit1 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Do not throw words into my mouth. I CAN and DO interpret the scriptures as I am inspired to do. I never said that Dawkins and Darwin inspired me. When did I ever say that? You said that about me, but I never said that at all.
Your admiration of Kent Hovind is pathetic.
Do not INSULT my intelligence with your strawman arguements and prejudiced opinions. You obviously lack the intellect to comprehend what i am saying, especially if you take the entire bible literally.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
@ericinnit1 Actually, I don't think you and I will EVER agree. Especially if you promote Kent Hovind.
Poseidon500 1 year ago
No evidence for evolution? whatever, evolution IS right. all holy books are interpretations on what god actually is. this is why i'm agnostic. no religion can prove themselves right or each other wrong. evolution makes perfect sense...The sun must come before plants in order for plants to survive, it's pretty common sense that water (being the ocean) is below the atmosphere.
calmclownful 1 year ago
Evolution is cruel not god.. So what about the g reat flood; Everything DEAD except two pairs of each. What a hwap of crap, bullshit, nonsense, rubbish
lizazoon 1 year ago
are you seriously quoting Hovind as some sort of intellectual talent? Wow, you Christians are less equipped than I could even imagine.
yogurtking 1 year ago
the bible my freind,by putting humans above evry life form exept each other and implying we can use the planet as we wish.we all have a differnt idea about ''as we wish''.and we have done poorly.jesus say ,if a tree bearsno fruit...burn it.thats christianity.luv 2 ya..do better.
ninjafretshadow 1 year ago