If you think ID you are excomunicated from the man designed world of science.
What does the scientific community have to fear? They should be glad to have some of their fellows look stupid looking for ID. But no, THEY ARE AFRAID TO THINK OUT OF THEIR FLAT EARTH BOX.
its fine to question how things got here. but ben stein thinks that god is a scientific hypothesis. science goes NOWHERE when you say that, since he is outside of space, time, and matterless. if he wasnt those then he would have needed to be created.
since those are his characteristics then its absolutely not testable at all and therefore not science at all.
sure maybe a god did do it but a) thats not evolution b)this IDer was poor at his job.
Your sorry all right. You haven't the vaguest idea of what is science. You should learn to write in English before you discuss things that are far beyond your ability to think.
Reality is testable but there is never anything learned about anything, ABSOLUTELY.
sorry but first off i surely wrote that first post in plain english. you however said "haven't the vaguest idea of what is science." sorry you lose there.
Next...get off your high horse. oh cool you learned a lot about physics. i dont care. you didnt refute my points, makes me think you cant.
if there is a god who created the universe he would have to be outside of time and space to create those things. if he is part of time and space then he would have needed a creator (to infinite regress)
Wow! Crystals! that's a new one! Someone been playing WAY too much Final Fantasy! You haven't heard or read many of Stein's interviews. Stein never clams to put GOD in an equation that's X'ism and Darwinism, the very things he's against! GOD is of his system hence way he's a JUST GOD. GOD is out of OUR understanding. I mean really dude! Read your Bible! It's all there! lighter note the 1st dude thinks GOD is equal to hob goblins! lol. That guys a Dumb-ass!
So 'science isn't about why' but only a possible tentative 'how.' You have no idea..
My boy science has no limitations on thought and inquiry. Why do you think science continuously looks for smaller particles or the origin of being? You see a building but have no desire to know on what the building is there for in the first place.
What you doubt or think is irrelevant. Metaphysics, physics or theoretical physics is always searching for the big WHY.
So "science does not deal with why water to boil but not why." Have you heard ever of TOE? Most scientists (physicists) continually search for the theory of everything which basically includes the WHY. Science has no limitations of freedom to think and search no matter how difficult the ultimate reason.
Scientists understand that finding the why would put an end to their gravy train of searching and they too would be out of work. Don't kid yourself.
Not according to many scientists, physicists, theoretical physicists and other tenured scientists. If they mention the two letters ID, they loose their tenure, their jobs and their place in the scientific community.
If science really understood the TOE, they would have nothing more to search ending their continual search for that elusive theory of everything. The trouble is that they know the answer but would rather split atoms and find natural selection as the answer without ID.
It's never verified Christians do lose their job for MENTION ID. Don't take Ben Stein's word for anything. I's fully understandable that you are used to believe without evidence
Even if it were true at least they won't be locked up like Galileo has just for saying something in contrary
The trouble is Creationist has no evidence for what they believe. they'd rather try to disprove evolution than try to prove ID.
In this case, even if u disprove a fact, it does not make the other claim true!!
Are you listening? Ben Stein interviewed physicists, scientists and tenured profs who were fired for writing ID in a paper. It is NOT BEN STEIN saying anything, he simply interviewed these folks. They are verifiable in their background and statements.
Facts speak for themselves if those being persecuted for thinking say so. The trouble is that evolutionists have no evidence for their beliefs. So what is wrong with research in all areas of endeavor?
The theory of how life began is Abiogenesis, which is absolutely amazing in how much information and theories in regards to it there is!
The theory of evolution addresses how life got so complex which really makes it unnecessary for God or whatever designer to intervene. I am curious of how life began, because the ball is still in the air. That is what I do not scrutinize for, simply because I do more studying of Evolution then abiogenesis.
I'd love to know your theory on abiogenesis. That would be amazing to see how tubules (already existing) line up in correct order to place adipose tissue in a circle forming LIFE.
Didn't you hear Professor Dawkins stating with equivocation that absolutely no one understands the origin of LIFE.
The word god is a generic term for many including wind, fire, monkeys, water, stars etc.
If you can give a simple understandable explanation for abiogenesis, the world itself would be very impressed.
It isn't my theory, but other scientist's theories, and I am trusting in their years of experience far beyond mine to create the theory.
But sadly, there is no easy answer for anything, it normally requires hours, days, months, and years to understand things, and normally much more to discover something new for the next generation.
Just look it up on wikipedia, interesting and fun stuff, i promise!
Louie Pasteur debunked abiogenesis when he discovered that disease came from bacteria and did not arise all by itself from dead matter.
You say that you are trusting in their years of experience which is far beyond your formulating life ex nihilo. The real scientists accept the theory of evolution simply because it excludes Intelligent Design and they have nothing better to explain the unexplainable.
Papers and great thesis are written by science which amounts to great GUESSES. I myself guess
There are things that human beings don't know and probably would never know. You don't need to explain everything by god... just admit you don't know is ok.
Who said anything about a God? That is a generic term used for monkeys, men-gods, fire, moon, stars and people type beings. You admit that people don't and and shouldn't know but the truth is that there is ID. For without a designer, entropy would still be entropy and there would be no evolution or you without design.
Think sometimes instead of stinking. No one knows what its all about and that the way it was meant to be.
Did you know that entropy is still entropy even with a designer so what exactly was your point?
Did you know there would not be you without evolution either?
yes i agree "think sometimes instead of stinking" LMFAO. No one knows what its all about that is the way it was meant to be so stop using religion to try and explain things that we were not meant to be known.
Why do you place so much import on Ben Stein instead of forbidding free thought?
Entropy does not accidentally form irreducible complexity in any amount of time or accident. Religion? Praying to the fire god is religion; is that to what you are referring.
You are right in one point. The human intellect cannot understand infinity or the illusion of our soid universe with conscousness.
We were not meant to know things. Is that you very own opinion or do you know something by yourself?
My opinion was not we were not meant to know things, not even close. Two times now I've expressed my point clearly but you failed to comprehend. One more time. I think there are things haman can't and won't know for sure. Why can't we just say "we don't know yet" instead of "god did it".
Irreducible complex my point exactly.Life is too complex so god did it... why can't we just say we don't know why life is so complex?? why use god for explanation/excuse?
How in the universe do you think that there are things not meant to be known. You have expressed your beliefs more than once but you are failing to comprehend that the answers have been known for some time now. Life is not only complex, no one knows what it is.
Like Einstein said, "the science is all details, I'm only interested in knowning God's thoughts." Why not use the Monkey God who created the goddesss Sheva and everything on a whim?
How in the universe do you think human can know everything? Life is not only complex, no one knows what it is. So let's keep it that way instead of bringing a god into things we don't know.
For you to understand entropy forming anything whatsoever, you first have to understand what this word means. Get a little background in theoretical and quantum mechanics and you will understand right along with 99% of thinking, knowledgeable scientisits.
you said "There is no way entropy or choas becomes life".
I asked "what makes you think the universe is no longer in a chaos if you take into account there's always order in disorder; order being life disorder being the universe still?"
Yes you are incorrect. Chaotic particles, no matter how long or chance simply has never formed a living cell no matter how creative the human mind designs experiments.
Your question reflects the feelings of many who reject experimental findings out of fear that they were wrong all the time. That is the meanng of NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED.
Global warming by man is only one example of a politician reinventing water. Science leads and most deny what is real. I have a minor in physics.
"The common argument used to explain this is that, locally, entropy can be lowered by external action, e.g. solar heating action, and that this applies to machines, such as a refrigerator, where the entropy in the cold chamber is being reduced, to growing crystals, and to living organisms. This local increase in order is, however, only possible at the expense of an entropy increase in the surroundings; here more disorder must be created."
Without science you wouldn't even know the laws of thermodynamics. Without science you wouldn't not be able to relate entropy in the universe with god. If you still thinks entropy proves god then you are sadly mistaken. Why is that you may ask. It's because you are not suppose to and will not find any evidence or proof of god. It is the very definition of faith. Belief without evidence. As long as you have faith, you will not fact.
You are truly hillarious. You said, " without science you wouldn't even know the laws of thermodynamics..relate etnropy in the universe with God."
Do you ever use your brain? It has NOTHING to do with science or what I think whether or not the second law of thermodynamics (entropy) exist in the place you think that a universe really exists.
Intelligent Design is not a particular god, it is a reality that everything was designed and you dont need to know about it for it to exist. Duhhh
how would you even know that entropy did become life without science? Plus, as far as I'm concerned Christians thought everything was in order; there was no such thing as chaos in the universe. When did they suddenly update their brains and came up with design in chaos concept.
When did i say intelligent design is god? And when did intelligent design became a FACT?
Why am I wasting my time with you? I am not a Christian nor a worshiper of a monkey god. What Xians or you think of order in everything has nothing to do with what I believe.
Nobody updated anything except your lack of understanding that reality does not relate to forming complexity from 0. That is my opinion and there are a million opinions on this subject.
You haven't been making any sense. You don't even know what you are talking about anymore do you? I certainly don't. I guess it is my lack of understanding to the point you are trying to make but have yet to make.
Everything you've said so far regarding entropy are simply "empty slogans with no scientific content or validity." If you truly understood entropy however, you deserve to be worshiped
I guess only people like you and Ben Stein are capable of concluding such thing as intelligent design
DANGER WILL ROBINSON...
If you think ID you are excomunicated from the man designed world of science.
What does the scientific community have to fear? They should be glad to have some of their fellows look stupid looking for ID. But no, THEY ARE AFRAID TO THINK OUT OF THEIR FLAT EARTH BOX.
onycho1 2 years ago
im sry but ben stein really pisses me off.
its fine to question how things got here. but ben stein thinks that god is a scientific hypothesis. science goes NOWHERE when you say that, since he is outside of space, time, and matterless. if he wasnt those then he would have needed to be created.
since those are his characteristics then its absolutely not testable at all and therefore not science at all.
sure maybe a god did do it but a) thats not evolution b)this IDer was poor at his job.
ihateneocons 3 years ago
Your sorry all right. You haven't the vaguest idea of what is science. You should learn to write in English before you discuss things that are far beyond your ability to think.
Reality is testable but there is never anything learned about anything, ABSOLUTELY.
onycho1 3 years ago
sorry but first off i surely wrote that first post in plain english. you however said "haven't the vaguest idea of what is science." sorry you lose there.
Next...get off your high horse. oh cool you learned a lot about physics. i dont care. you didnt refute my points, makes me think you cant.
if there is a god who created the universe he would have to be outside of time and space to create those things. if he is part of time and space then he would have needed a creator (to infinite regress)
ihateneocons 3 years ago
"there is never anything learned about anything, ABSOLUTELY. " ahahaha this made my day=)
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
Wow! Crystals! that's a new one! Someone been playing WAY too much Final Fantasy! You haven't heard or read many of Stein's interviews. Stein never clams to put GOD in an equation that's X'ism and Darwinism, the very things he's against! GOD is of his system hence way he's a JUST GOD. GOD is out of OUR understanding. I mean really dude! Read your Bible! It's all there! lighter note the 1st dude thinks GOD is equal to hob goblins! lol. That guys a Dumb-ass!
BlueMageWithSoulEdge 3 years ago
how does darwinism put god in the equation?
i cant tell if ur post is serious either.
"GOD is of his system hence way he's a JUST GOD"
I dont get that grammar aside.
how is he a just god? are u serious? i cant believe that statement for one second.
intelligent design is NOT SCIENCE
"its complicated so something had to create it intelligently"
thats it? not very scientific.
get a lab coat or dont join the conversation. god and science dont mix cuz god is SUPERnatural. very clear.
ihateneocons 3 years ago
Darwin admits as much in his book on Evolution. He knows that there is ABSOLUTELY nothing to do anything without an unknown grand designer.
Science is just now beginning to admit that they think they understand how things might work but not WHY.....
Get a life
onycho1 2 years ago
i dont care what darwin believes. this is science. we dont take personal doubts into scientific consideration.
isaac newton was an alchemist, doesnt mean i have to respect his belief in that.
is there a deity? maybe.
is there a personal god, i doubt it.
thats why i take issue with your "grand designer"
creator? maybe.
but this universe is not grandly designed.
science isnt about Why - thats metaphysics so dont harp on science for what science doesnt attempt to explain.
IcyIconoclast 2 years ago
You are a laugh a minute.
So 'science isn't about why' but only a possible tentative 'how.' You have no idea..
My boy science has no limitations on thought and inquiry. Why do you think science continuously looks for smaller particles or the origin of being? You see a building but have no desire to know on what the building is there for in the first place.
What you doubt or think is irrelevant. Metaphysics, physics or theoretical physics is always searching for the big WHY.
onycho1 2 years ago
youre a pompous fucktard.
science does have limitations. it cant prove if god exists.
a building and a universe are different jackass.
can consult an architect and construction, cant consult the universemaker.
of course its about why, as in why is the bot boiling water?
science deals with the what causes water to boil, not the - why is it boiling (regarding intent - to make tea)
there are different kinds of whys.
science cant prove god jackass.
IcyIconoclast 2 years ago
Epithets reveals your intelect.
So "science does not deal with why water to boil but not why." Have you heard ever of TOE? Most scientists (physicists) continually search for the theory of everything which basically includes the WHY. Science has no limitations of freedom to think and search no matter how difficult the ultimate reason.
Scientists understand that finding the why would put an end to their gravy train of searching and they too would be out of work. Don't kid yourself.
onycho1 2 years ago
At least scientists ask questions.
ooo BURN!!!!
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
Not according to many scientists, physicists, theoretical physicists and other tenured scientists. If they mention the two letters ID, they loose their tenure, their jobs and their place in the scientific community.
If science really understood the TOE, they would have nothing more to search ending their continual search for that elusive theory of everything. The trouble is that they know the answer but would rather split atoms and find natural selection as the answer without ID.
onycho1 2 years ago
It's never verified Christians do lose their job for MENTION ID. Don't take Ben Stein's word for anything. I's fully understandable that you are used to believe without evidence
Even if it were true at least they won't be locked up like Galileo has just for saying something in contrary
The trouble is Creationist has no evidence for what they believe. they'd rather try to disprove evolution than try to prove ID.
In this case, even if u disprove a fact, it does not make the other claim true!!
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
Are you listening? Ben Stein interviewed physicists, scientists and tenured profs who were fired for writing ID in a paper. It is NOT BEN STEIN saying anything, he simply interviewed these folks. They are verifiable in their background and statements.
Facts speak for themselves if those being persecuted for thinking say so. The trouble is that evolutionists have no evidence for their beliefs. So what is wrong with research in all areas of endeavor?
What does the academic world fear??
onycho1 2 years ago
The theory of how life began is Abiogenesis, which is absolutely amazing in how much information and theories in regards to it there is!
The theory of evolution addresses how life got so complex which really makes it unnecessary for God or whatever designer to intervene. I am curious of how life began, because the ball is still in the air. That is what I do not scrutinize for, simply because I do more studying of Evolution then abiogenesis.
Also, I am not anti ID, as my gf believes in ID.
CamanEmpire 3 years ago
I'd love to know your theory on abiogenesis. That would be amazing to see how tubules (already existing) line up in correct order to place adipose tissue in a circle forming LIFE.
Didn't you hear Professor Dawkins stating with equivocation that absolutely no one understands the origin of LIFE.
The word god is a generic term for many including wind, fire, monkeys, water, stars etc.
If you can give a simple understandable explanation for abiogenesis, the world itself would be very impressed.
onycho1 3 years ago
It isn't my theory, but other scientist's theories, and I am trusting in their years of experience far beyond mine to create the theory.
But sadly, there is no easy answer for anything, it normally requires hours, days, months, and years to understand things, and normally much more to discover something new for the next generation.
Just look it up on wikipedia, interesting and fun stuff, i promise!
CamanEmpire 3 years ago
Louie Pasteur debunked abiogenesis when he discovered that disease came from bacteria and did not arise all by itself from dead matter.
You say that you are trusting in their years of experience which is far beyond your formulating life ex nihilo. The real scientists accept the theory of evolution simply because it excludes Intelligent Design and they have nothing better to explain the unexplainable.
Papers and great thesis are written by science which amounts to great GUESSES. I myself guess
onycho1 3 years ago
There are things that human beings don't know and probably would never know. You don't need to explain everything by god... just admit you don't know is ok.
God is an obstacle to the truth.
Amen
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
Who said anything about a God? That is a generic term used for monkeys, men-gods, fire, moon, stars and people type beings. You admit that people don't and and shouldn't know but the truth is that there is ID. For without a designer, entropy would still be entropy and there would be no evolution or you without design.
Think sometimes instead of stinking. No one knows what its all about and that the way it was meant to be.
onycho1 2 years ago
Everything ben stein said was about god.
Did you know that entropy is still entropy even with a designer so what exactly was your point?
Did you know there would not be you without evolution either?
yes i agree "think sometimes instead of stinking" LMFAO. No one knows what its all about that is the way it was meant to be so stop using religion to try and explain things that we were not meant to be known.
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
Why do you place so much import on Ben Stein instead of forbidding free thought?
Entropy does not accidentally form irreducible complexity in any amount of time or accident. Religion? Praying to the fire god is religion; is that to what you are referring.
You are right in one point. The human intellect cannot understand infinity or the illusion of our soid universe with conscousness.
We were not meant to know things. Is that you very own opinion or do you know something by yourself?
onycho1 2 years ago
*stares at your first question" r u hi
My opinion was not we were not meant to know things, not even close. Two times now I've expressed my point clearly but you failed to comprehend. One more time. I think there are things haman can't and won't know for sure. Why can't we just say "we don't know yet" instead of "god did it".
Irreducible complex my point exactly.Life is too complex so god did it... why can't we just say we don't know why life is so complex?? why use god for explanation/excuse?
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
No I'm Not hi but are you deaf?
How in the universe do you think that there are things not meant to be known. You have expressed your beliefs more than once but you are failing to comprehend that the answers have been known for some time now. Life is not only complex, no one knows what it is.
Like Einstein said, "the science is all details, I'm only interested in knowning God's thoughts." Why not use the Monkey God who created the goddesss Sheva and everything on a whim?
onycho1 2 years ago
How in the universe do you think human can know everything? Life is not only complex, no one knows what it is. So let's keep it that way instead of bringing a god into things we don't know.
Might as well use Money God indeed.
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
You can bring time and chance complexity into any equation but the answer always turns out to be -0 to the 10th power.
There is no way entropy or choas becomes life except with Dr. Frankenstein. ID is the only possible answer until anyone can give a viable explanation.
Dawkins says that materialism (matter) thinks and is aware. This is the belief of many but there is no more proof for this theory than for evolution.
onycho1 2 years ago
And life could not be part of the entropy because...?
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
For you to understand entropy forming anything whatsoever, you first have to understand what this word means. Get a little background in theoretical and quantum mechanics and you will understand right along with 99% of thinking, knowledgeable scientisits.
onycho1 2 years ago
i thought u knew.
order in disorder. You are claiming the universe is no longer in disorder. I'm asking you why you think so
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
Boy
Why do you talk of things of which you haven't the vaguest idea? You on the other hand are in total disorder without any thinking process.
onycho1 2 years ago
... *facepalm*
back to the question
you said "There is no way entropy or choas becomes life".
I asked "what makes you think the universe is no longer in a chaos if you take into account there's always order in disorder; order being life disorder being the universe still?"
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
Discussing the nature of order from disorder being impossible with you is like disucussing particle entanglement with a slug.
Give it up...
onycho1 2 years ago
I assumed your definition of entropy was randomness/disorder all along and asked you a legitimate question regarding this matter. Was I wrong?
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
Yes you are incorrect. Chaotic particles, no matter how long or chance simply has never formed a living cell no matter how creative the human mind designs experiments.
Your question reflects the feelings of many who reject experimental findings out of fear that they were wrong all the time. That is the meanng of NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED.
Global warming by man is only one example of a politician reinventing water. Science leads and most deny what is real. I have a minor in physics.
onycho1 2 years ago
Well
"The common argument used to explain this is that, locally, entropy can be lowered by external action, e.g. solar heating action, and that this applies to machines, such as a refrigerator, where the entropy in the cold chamber is being reduced, to growing crystals, and to living organisms. This local increase in order is, however, only possible at the expense of an entropy increase in the surroundings; here more disorder must be created."
wikipedia
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
Wikepedia contributors are just anybody with a computer. This on-line encyclopedi is worthless.
Entropy with or without external or internal action can nevere create nothing including cystals or tree slime.
Entropy or choas does not do anything with any imput. NADA
onycho1 2 years ago
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ZhangyXD 2 years ago
Do you have a background in drawing with crayolas or drinking milk and eatiing cookies?
From which prekindergarten did you get your degree?
Type the following words into the top YouTube search line.
Stephen Hawking: Asking big questions about the universe
onycho1 2 years ago
Without science you wouldn't even know the laws of thermodynamics. Without science you wouldn't not be able to relate entropy in the universe with god. If you still thinks entropy proves god then you are sadly mistaken. Why is that you may ask. It's because you are not suppose to and will not find any evidence or proof of god. It is the very definition of faith. Belief without evidence. As long as you have faith, you will not fact.
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
You are truly hillarious. You said, " without science you wouldn't even know the laws of thermodynamics..relate etnropy in the universe with God."
Do you ever use your brain? It has NOTHING to do with science or what I think whether or not the second law of thermodynamics (entropy) exist in the place you think that a universe really exists.
Intelligent Design is not a particular god, it is a reality that everything was designed and you dont need to know about it for it to exist. Duhhh
onycho1 2 years ago
"There is no way entropy or choas becomes life".
how would you even know that entropy did become life without science? Plus, as far as I'm concerned Christians thought everything was in order; there was no such thing as chaos in the universe. When did they suddenly update their brains and came up with design in chaos concept.
When did i say intelligent design is god? And when did intelligent design became a FACT?
ZhangyXD 2 years ago
Why am I wasting my time with you? I am not a Christian nor a worshiper of a monkey god. What Xians or you think of order in everything has nothing to do with what I believe.
Nobody updated anything except your lack of understanding that reality does not relate to forming complexity from 0. That is my opinion and there are a million opinions on this subject.
Get a life....
onycho1 2 years ago
You haven't been making any sense. You don't even know what you are talking about anymore do you? I certainly don't. I guess it is my lack of understanding to the point you are trying to make but have yet to make.
Everything you've said so far regarding entropy are simply "empty slogans with no scientific content or validity." If you truly understood entropy however, you deserve to be worshiped
I guess only people like you and Ben Stein are capable of concluding such thing as intelligent design
ZhangyXD 2 years ago