Nice demonstration video. Where you see foam and larger bubbles, you have concentrations of Oxygen. Oxygen is heavy. Where you see tiny pops at the water surface, you are seeing Hydrogen literally jumping out of the water, at 20 feet per second. Direct your camera so that it looks across the water, instead of down on it, and you will see the hydrogen bubbles before they pop. Hope this helps.
The brown gunk will appear when you use any water with microscopic particulates present, I.E. Tap water. you get shot of this problem by useing distilled water, 316 stainell steel bolts & plates, & KOH... interesting video, and yes I too think it is not all about the volume of gas that gets milage benefits.. thanks.
When I first looked at this video I didn't know this was your cell configuation you shown before, I am amazed how you are getting gas separation with that setup, something to think about. Its not a lot of production on the oxygen side but it is still happening. Thanks for the top shot.
There are several ways to separate the Hydrogen from the Oxygen.
One to to use porus double membrane in which each has holes drilled at an angle. You place both back to back so the sides facing the elements have the holes facing downward, that way the boubbles can't flow to the other element.
The other way is to add high power magnet stack to one side of your boubler. The north pole attracts the Oxygen to the side but the Hydrogen goes straight up the boubbler.
At the air space to put a divider to keep the gases apart. With two ports out you can mix the gas at will. You can also use a stack on the other side to push the Oxygen away from the Hydrogen. The beauty is that no energy is needed.
You can also use magnets in some cell design at the bottom to create electrolyte movement.
Your plates and seperators need to be like this. posplate nylonwasher seperatoer nylonwasher negplate nylonwasher seperator nylonwasher posplate nylonwasher seperator and so on. try it.
ok i'll give that a go! altho a seperation application with this new config would make a complication ..practically its easier if seperation is required ,for those merits alone to have minimal divisions .Then again we may be able to achieve not only seperation ...but a clean cell as well , fingers crossed not just a slice ! but the whole cake ! can only hope.
The reason there is no crack is because the Hydrogen doesn't burn without Oxygen,
If you cover the top so that the two gases mix into a bubbler, you'll have your crack back. The other thing is your negative plates should be larger than your positive plates.
yep i realised hydrogen loses its crack without oxygen,the neg plates are effectively bigger becoz there's more of them , or do you mean physically wider?
yes physically larger. or make the positive smaller, you need enough plates to bring the voltage down to 2volts per cell, to measure the voltage per cell keep the water level just lower the the plates, just for testing, switch on and use your volt meter to measure across the individual cells,, a poss plate and neg plate makes one cell.
In my opinion, the heat as well as the amps produces "gunk" in a two plate cell. So when you at least get a hot cell, it should have been producing gunk anyway. So this is very interesting :-) C
HI 2550osiosterdalen, the longest its been on is 4hrs in one go,by then it had reached about 62c..guess thats about 145F ish still no gunk, i,m gonna try and get hold of a hex c tester and test the water.
Its really the volts not the amps that cause the gunk. My cells running from a 3.0 volts supply at 55 amps for days will not have any gunk or darken electrolyte. Its the volts running at high amps produce heat and causes the damage.
Nice demonstration video. Where you see foam and larger bubbles, you have concentrations of Oxygen. Oxygen is heavy. Where you see tiny pops at the water surface, you are seeing Hydrogen literally jumping out of the water, at 20 feet per second. Direct your camera so that it looks across the water, instead of down on it, and you will see the hydrogen bubbles before they pop. Hope this helps.
daddyo44907 2 months ago
The brown gunk will appear when you use any water with microscopic particulates present, I.E. Tap water. you get shot of this problem by useing distilled water, 316 stainell steel bolts & plates, & KOH... interesting video, and yes I too think it is not all about the volume of gas that gets milage benefits.. thanks.
thom.
fuelban 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Is there any videos out there showing how to build a complete seperator cell????
waterwart 10 months ago
I have seen other experiments with seperating H from O, some say H comes from the + side... some say the negative, Any updates?
ElectroMagnumMan 1 year ago
@ElectroMagnumMan hydrogen comes off the cathode = negative oxygen comes off the anode = positive
a2zhandi 5 months ago 2
When I first looked at this video I didn't know this was your cell configuation you shown before, I am amazed how you are getting gas separation with that setup, something to think about. Its not a lot of production on the oxygen side but it is still happening. Thanks for the top shot.
hhoforvolts 2 years ago 2
There are several ways to separate the Hydrogen from the Oxygen.
One to to use porus double membrane in which each has holes drilled at an angle. You place both back to back so the sides facing the elements have the holes facing downward, that way the boubbles can't flow to the other element.
The other way is to add high power magnet stack to one side of your boubler. The north pole attracts the Oxygen to the side but the Hydrogen goes straight up the boubbler.
hhoforvolts 2 years ago
At the air space to put a divider to keep the gases apart. With two ports out you can mix the gas at will. You can also use a stack on the other side to push the Oxygen away from the Hydrogen. The beauty is that no energy is needed.
You can also use magnets in some cell design at the bottom to create electrolyte movement.
hhoforvolts 2 years ago
Your plates and seperators need to be like this. posplate nylonwasher seperatoer nylonwasher negplate nylonwasher seperator nylonwasher posplate nylonwasher seperator and so on. try it.
ZEROPOINT132 2 years ago
ok i'll give that a go! altho a seperation application with this new config would make a complication ..practically its easier if seperation is required ,for those merits alone to have minimal divisions .Then again we may be able to achieve not only seperation ...but a clean cell as well , fingers crossed not just a slice ! but the whole cake ! can only hope.
flyingdoctorcee 2 years ago
The reason there is no crack is because the Hydrogen doesn't burn without Oxygen,
If you cover the top so that the two gases mix into a bubbler, you'll have your crack back. The other thing is your negative plates should be larger than your positive plates.
ZEROPOINT132 2 years ago
Also the voltage across each plate should be about 2volts, this will keep the heat down.
ZEROPOINT132 2 years ago
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ZEROPOINT132 2 years ago
yep i realised hydrogen loses its crack without oxygen,the neg plates are effectively bigger becoz there's more of them , or do you mean physically wider?
flyingdoctorcee 2 years ago
yes physically larger. or make the positive smaller, you need enough plates to bring the voltage down to 2volts per cell, to measure the voltage per cell keep the water level just lower the the plates, just for testing, switch on and use your volt meter to measure across the individual cells,, a poss plate and neg plate makes one cell.
ZEROPOINT132 2 years ago
Hi flyingdoctorcee!
In my opinion, the heat as well as the amps produces "gunk" in a two plate cell. So when you at least get a hot cell, it should have been producing gunk anyway. So this is very interesting :-) C
2550osiosterdalen 2 years ago
HI 2550osiosterdalen, the longest its been on is 4hrs in one go,by then it had reached about 62c..guess thats about 145F ish still no gunk, i,m gonna try and get hold of a hex c tester and test the water.
flyingdoctorcee 2 years ago
Its really the volts not the amps that cause the gunk. My cells running from a 3.0 volts supply at 55 amps for days will not have any gunk or darken electrolyte. Its the volts running at high amps produce heat and causes the damage.
hhoforvolts 2 years ago 3