Basque Country: Identity

[nelrish24]

It's not an Arabic language. The muslims are trying to seek help wherever they can. Basque has nothing to do with Arabic

[zyliko25]

Basques are from ancient Greek origin. Besides, Greeks founded the South France coast and cities like Maseille and Monaco. Corsicans are from Greek origin, too.

[nanako0590]

No, this is basque language, comes from Maghreb, it's a kind of an arabized berber language (amazigh) imported during the invasion of Rome by Hannibal. In fact blood rh factor is the same in both areas and from the 13th century onwards the country has seen a massive migration of Banu Hilal Arab tribes . It's been spoken in Southern Europe, not too far from Africa..

[Testacojones]

@nanako0590 You are really getting old with your wrong and stupid comment, stick to your own business and don't post this erroneous crap.

[Amaiuxx]

Gora Euskal Herria!



[OTRACUENTAPERRA]

Many times those claimingpatriotism end up killing more of their own people.It seems that those "patriots" just want an excuse to kill and get their joy out their violent rage.

If disgracefully these so called patriots end up getting their "independence" you can see how these so called patriots turn into tyrants making people bleed under their power.......The pro independence just do not want anyone to supervice their oppresion and corruption. Otherwise why the supremacy racialism???

[HILOTZ]

abuzuz, tio... dejalo... un tio k dice viva PELAYO... no merece la pena... y ya si dice viva ISRAEL... Para mi y para la mayoria de vascos, israel es lo puto mismo k esñapa, solo que aki hay simplemente mas medios para que se sepa que el famoso termino "terrorist" es interesadamente usado para quitar de enmedio a kien no interesa ke se le oiga. Son ellos quienes condicionan a la gente metiendole miedo a lo desconocido, que es realmenteso

ZUTIK HERRI ZAPALDUAK!!! EN PIE LOS PUEBLOS REPRIMIDOS!!!

[1QuestionEverything1]

It's not an Arabic language. The muslims are trying to seek help wherever they can. Basque has nothing to do with Arabic, if it did I would kill myself. Don't forget who it was that invaded the land of our ancestors, killed them, and forced them to convert to Islam.

The reconquering of Spain lives. So does Pelayo.

[HILOTZ]

@1QuestionEverything1

Sure it's not an Arabic language, you are right, as right as me when Isay that there isn't one person more stupid than you ;) Sionist leaders are like Nazis, no one could believe in 1940 that they'd do what they have used to give themselves the right to get in Palestine. Palestine, Euskal Herria is with you always, no matter what stupids like this could say. You have to be ONE, don't let'em divide you!!!

[shitterra]

married to a basque i have learned euskadi and ETA are not the devil , the spanish madrid governement take all from the catalans and basques, oh and navara is basque

[lgaxu]

representative democracies' role on the conflict

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[aviomaster]

IF KOSOVO can have independence than anyone can ,

standards for independence have come  DOWN.

[nanako0590]

No, this is basque language, comes from Maghreb, it's a kind of an arabized berber language imported during the invasion of Italy by Hannibal. It's been spoken in Southern Europe, not too far from Africa.,,,

[zhzhuiui]

@nanako0590 Wrong. Hannibal was a Carthaginian. The Carthaginians spoke a Semitic language - in the same language family as Hebrew and Arabic. Basque is not at all related to these languages.

[arantzaayastuy4]

BIEN POR TI, YO TAMBIEN ESTOY PENSANDO EN REGRESAR, ESTE NOVIEMBRE, A MAS TARDAR EN FEBRERO DESPUES DE LOS TAXES,

SERIA MARAVILLOSO QUE REGRESARAMOS NO CREES

[nanako0590]

No, this is basque language, comes from Maghreb, it's a kind of an arabized berber language imported during the invasion of Italy by Hannibal. It's been spoken in Nothern Spain, not too far from Africa....

[tripitrapu]

@nanako0590 Fucking hell mate! You keep saying the same shit! Leave it out mate! There's no prove of that and there're loads of theories where it comes from, the one you say it's just one of them!!

[arantzaayastuy4]

los vascos que nos hemos ido vamos a regresar, y no nos fuimos por los motivos que aqui se exponen sino por otros, dont worry ......regresaremos y con hijos,,,,,,en mi caso,,,,seremos cuatro de mis hijos, mi esposo mexicano y yo,,,,,bueno que tal,,,,,,se fue una vasca,y trajo 5 vascos que tal esta eso"""""

[IcyPanlord]

@arantzaayastuy4 Hehe, yo hice algo parecido, ironicamente me case con una Catalana estando en Mexico :0. Ella nunca ha tenido ninguna contra a que "vasquice" a mis hijos :P y algun dia igual planeo regresar a mi natal Baracaldo : )

Agur.

[arantzaayastuy4]

quiero decirle al comentario nazi,,,,que no soy ni racista ni tampoco nazi,,,,,solo puedo hablar del amor a mi lengua, a mi cultura, que es la vasca, puedo sentir a los mios, y  a mi tierra, por lo demas, yo he viajado por todo el mundo y creo que las personas son iguales en todo el planeta, y todas deberian amar lo suyo, porque eso hace que todos juntos podamos compartir y querernos mas,,,,,queria aclarar este punto

[smartspick]

Apellido Montoya!

[IamJacksColon4]

500dollars Basque is being funded by britian france inorder to weaken Spain.

Same thing they did to yugoslavia. they are dividing nations and weakening them.

[landofeagles]

Keep ur language and traditions going...

Respects

an Albanian

[MrAmericosimoes]

DR Beck should have done some homework!

Why is the Rh blood group not mentioned here?

[lallamabantaz]

@MrAmericosimoes It's true that Rh- is rather common in the Basque Country, and one of the reasons why traditionally we have no large families (together with a number of cultural reasons, also linked to inheriting policies). Having Rh+ I feel somehow like a dark-haired Scandinavian surrounded by blondes!

[Popotao]

Thank you for uploading such an informative video!

GORA EUSKERA e VIVA A PORTUGALIZA!

[revsalles]

Informative!!!

[CrazyNative4]

so cool

[arantzaayastuy4]

ok, el ser vasco se trae en los genes,,,,se hereda,,,,,,el corazon los sentimientos, el amor a la tierra,..... por mucha especulacion que quieran hacer politicamente, economica o territorialmente,,,,,,,,i te conviene vivir en euskadi porque eso te da dinero, trabajo,,,,,, y demas.....muy respetable, pero eso no te hace vasco,....eso se lleva adentro aunque estes a kilometros de distancia ...

[DoroteoArangoo]

@arantzaayastuy4 muy bien arantza pienso exactamente igual que tu, y como castellano que soy por eso pertezco a demoracia nacional y apollo el nacional socialismo aleman, raza hay una, y mezclarla es basura es estropear esos genes que te dan el amor a una tierra y que un ser impuro no puede sentir solo pueden robar y violar.

PD Soy vasco y por supuesto esto es ironico callate la boca con tu discurso nazi claro mis abuleos no son todos vascos solo al mitad quizas por eso no soy un nazi segun tu

[WatchingEngland]

i wan to learn basque

[GeoTaoKlarjetMoschoi]

basques are best people they are relative to South Caucasian Georgians

[arranobeltzaz]

@kaikovich

Euskal Herria stands for the Vasconia concept or Basque Country as anthropological and cultural space that includes, Euskadi, Navarre & French Basque Country. It has been used so since the XVI century in the first documents written in Basque by natives of the territories you just mention such as Juan Pérez de Lazarraga (Alava), Joanes Leizarraga (French BC) or Axular (Navarre). Old invention if so. Obviously imperialistic media keep you 100% ignorant on the subject.

[kaikovich]

Those same people never used the name eusqualherria with a definited territory. The concept of an independent country called euskal herria is new. The concept of Euskal herria including the whole navarre, French BC, etc, is new. All of that is invented by XX century basque nationalism. No matter if you say that media manipulates, you are just wrong. Treviño? jaja man, they just want to enjoy the low taxation that basques have in spain. Or are you telling that they are also basques? jajajajaa

[arranobeltzaz]

@kaikovich

UR misinformed. Just google Axular to see that he refers to Euskal Herria as the territories of Nafarroa, Bizkaia, Gipuzkoa, Araba, Nafarroa beherea, Zuberoa & Lapurdi. So this idea is not new. The claim for independence comes up after the loss of the fueros in XIX century which, in case of Navarra for instance, meant the loss of its sovereignty (independence) in 1841. The claim for independence starts just when the independence is lost. Basque Nationalism only channels this claims.

[kaikovich]

jajaja please quote Axular with his exact phrase about Euskal Herria, don't invent. The claim of independence begins because some people didn't want a democratic system were everyone had equal rights. They were afraid to lose their privileges. So its only about money and privileges. Ok, you can have more privileges than the rest of Europe when pigs fly. About Treviño, to start with, they should all learn basque. Then, they can join basque country, not joining only to suck money.

[arranobeltzaz]

@kaikovich

You should go to the ophthalmologist because you see inventions everywhere. Here you are the exact Axulars phrase translation (See wikipedia): 'Ya que de muchas maneras y diferentemente se habla en Euskal Herria, en la Alta Navarra, la Baja Navarra, Zuberoa, Lapurdi, Bizkaia, Gipuzkoa, Álava y en otros muchos sitios'. Can you tell me where my invention is?

[kaikovich]

Your phrase would be true if he had said: "Se habla en Euskal Herria: en la Alta Navarra, la Baja Navarra, Zuberoa, etc". He just says that euskera is talked in Euskal Herria AND in those places. But its typical basque saying that everything has basque culture. Even places like Treviño jaja. Come on, Treviño is not Basque, not even Alava is Basque. Alava is part of Basque country just because Vitoria was promised to be the capital of the region.

[arranobeltzaz]

@kaikovich

Please, you should avoid adding the 'AND' the text has not in the same manner that I did not add the colon (:) that would totally clarify the meaning. So do you think that with Euskal Herria Axular refers to something different and additional to the seven mentioned territories and 'many other places'? Jajaja

[kaikovich]

the symbol "," and the word "and" have the same meaning, check again barrio sesamo. He used the names of the individual territories because he knew that Euskal Herria is not a territory. If Euskal Herria included all that territories, just by saying Euskal Herria would be enough. But Euskal Herria is just an abstract idea of the people that know basque as native language, so saying that basque language is talked in Euskal Herria would be saying nothing.

[arranobeltzaz]

@kaikovich

'Siempre os maravillaréis de por qué se ha dotado a Euskal Herria de tantas ventajas, de por qué se ha dotado a Euskal Herria de todas estas bellezas,

en las cuales he conocido como esta Euskal Herria la ha poblado un rey´.

Juan Pérez de Lazarraga (XVI Century)

Neither was this native of Alava, before Axular, speaking about a territory?

On the other side, Axular did not know Barrio Sesamo. Uses of colon (:) were introduced in English, for instance, after 1600.

[kaikovich]

He didn't have barrio sesamo but he was able to distinguish "and" (coma) and "includes" (colon). He did not use "includes". No one used Euskal Herria as a defined territory prior to basque nationalism. You can find vague references to the term, I can find thousands of references to the term "Nabarra", which was the used word for the territory. Basque language has not been used in most of Navarra since the times of roman empire, they are not basques anymore, assume it.

[arranobeltzaz]

@kaikovich

Can you tell me why did the writer F. Navarro Villoslada write in 1877 about basques: no se dan a sí propios ese apelativo, ni el de vascongados, ni otro más que el de escualdunas, bajo cuya denominación comprenden a todo el que habla la lengua euscara, sea español o francés, llamando asimismo Escualherria, literalmente tierra de escualdunas, a todas las provincias que hablan la lengua euscara y pueblan ambas vertientes de los Pirineos occidentales.

[kaikovich]

Me das la razon, Euskal herria es un concepto de las zonas vascofonas. En Navarra hay muchas zonas que no son vascofonas desde hace miles de años. Lo mismo Alava, provincia donde se origino el castellano, o pais vasco frances. En todas las demas zonas hace siglos que las lenguas romances son mayoritarias, y no creo que el euskera sea nunca mayoritaria. Por tanto, Euskal Herria tiene que conformarse con ser un concepto abstracto, respetando a los euskaldunes, pero nunca dandoles la exclusividad.

[PatxiAlonso]

@kaikovich muy bien dicho, si no fuera por España y Francia muchos de los rasgos identificativos de los vascos habrían desaparecido así que tendrán que conformarse con vivir tal y como están ahora

[arranobeltzaz]

@kaikovich

I would expect you to kindly recognize that the term Euskal Herria meaning a cultural space (territory) that includes the current Euskadi, Navarre & French Basque Country and equivalent to the Spanish term Vasconia has been used in the Basque since the XVI Century and is not an invention of the Basque Nationalism. You mistake it for Euskadi that is a neologism created by Sabino Arana who hated the term Euskal Herria.

[arranobeltzaz]

@kaikovich

Regarding to Treviño the important is not what I can tell but what the inhabitants of Treviño have to say in the matter and what they have said in vane in 1940, 1958 and 1999. Imperialist Spaniards did not respect the people wishes.

[separatesix]

Viva España

[abuzuz1]

Saludos desde Palestina ,a los hermanos en Basque country

[eiride27]

y saludos desde España al ejercito judio

[1QuestionEverything1]

@abuzuz1 Palestine is a non existent country.

We are not muslim lovers here. Viva Israel

Gora Euskal Herria askatuta eta Nafarroa

[abuzuz1]

@1QuestionEverything1

En serio que eres ignorante ! nada más para que sepas ...no soy musulmano

[chaosbringer127]

@1QuestionEverything1

jew lover

[1QuestionEverything1]

@abuzuz1 Viva la reconquista de españa contra los invasor mahometanos.

Viva Pelayo.

[eiride27]

The most of people of Spain is normal but there is terrorism group called ETA,it is killed near 1000 persons,they are crazy and criminals,if you read of Spain you know it.PNV and batasuna supportes of criminal group.YOU must negative vote ,ok? bye,

[Danieltxu]

what the fuck are y tell us eiride ? what kind of advice is that ..

Fucking Spaniard

Pnv is the national party and is voted by 60 % of people over theere , they are agaisnt Eirides saying and they want the basque independence then they are been voted by basque 25 years until the spanish governet psoe comes to govern the basque country by tricks ..

[eiride27]

tricks?,Pnv 60% votos? te lo creeras y todo,guste o no ,tras 30 años nazionalismo,por fin Psoe esta donde merece ,se inaugura era de ilusión e impunidad cero con el mundo proetarra,El PNV siempre se sintio más cerca de los asesinos que de las victimas,no es ninguna novedad,y aunque sólo sea por sanear ningun partido deberia estar 30 años de señor del caserio,qué sucede? que la marcha del PNV del poder deja mucho estomago agradecido,la única persona sensata (Imaz) no le dejaron hacer.

[Chokula99]

What the Basque need is to keep building their cultural Independence in my perception.

[hodei85bilbo]

ke es lo ke dice en resumen?¿

[kaikovich]

70% want independence? nop, according to euskobarometro, polls done in basque country, 37% of basques have plenty of idnependence desires, while 52% totally rejects independence, the rest have moderate opinions about it. In other polls, the question was, "what political system do you want for basque country?" only 15% of people answered independence while 50% wanted actual autonomic system.

People like josuan91 use to invent facts in order to bash spanish people and call us opressors.

[MrDruida44]

That's not true. According to the polls you were talking about 37% of basques would vote for independence if a hypotetical referendum were held and about 25% would vote against it. The rest of them didn't know what to answer, in that moment, to that question.

People like kaikovich usually invent facts because they are Spanish nationalists and they are afraid of the basque will and they need to think that the independentist movement is scarcely supported.

[jarbilbo]

Euskobarometro lies. Go to Bermeo and ask!!

[kaikovich]

go to vitoria and ask something in basque. You will be insulted

[jarbilbo]

Igual creías que soy extranjero y por eso me mientes? He estado en Gasteiz muchas veces y no me han insultado por hablar en euskera, aunque puede pasar, hay muchos emigrantes espanolis. Y hablando del euskobarometro, el voto por la independencia no es tan grande como debería por los emigrantes espanolis que hay aqui, si preguntasen solo a los euskaldunes, que pasaría?

[kaikovich]

si no preguntale a los cientos de miles de vascos exiliados por miedo a eta, que votarian ellos? jaja, de hecho si han sido exiliados ha sido por que votaban distinto jaja, hace muchisima gracia que hables de "tacticas sucias", cuando sois los putos amos acallando al otro bando

[jarbilbo]

Cientos de miles de vascos exiliados? chaval, que no te creas lo que dice la tele, que miente mucho., piensa por ti mismo. Unos amgios de mis padres se fueron a Salamanca porque no querían que su hijo aprendiese euskera. Todavía no conozco a nadie que se haya ido por miedo, y tengo 34 años.

[kaikovich]

si pues yo en madrid conozco a dos y tengo 23 años. Si no los conoces es porque ya no viven alli, como ostias los ibas a conocer. Eso no lo digo yo, es un dato objetivo que hay 200.000 vascos viviendo en el resto de españa por motivos de naZi-onalismo vasco. Esto es un hecho, y seria brutal el porcentaje en el euskobarometro a favor de españa.

[jarbilbo]

A ver niño, que no te creas lo que te dice la tele, que miente, te repito!! Busca la evolución demográfica de la C.A.V. y verás como no ha perdido 200.000 habitantes!! Espabila!! Y te repito también que el porcentaje a favor de espana, si fuese mayor que el independentista,´que lo dudo, sería por la emigración espanoli que hay aquí. Y investiga un poco más, que no te mientan los "demócratas".

[kaikovich]

tienes razon no han sido 200.000, han sido 383.700 desde 1975.

En el periodo de Ibarretxe, 119.000 se fueron, por miedo, o por asco, o por las dos cosas, segun Savater.

La poblacion del pais vasco ha disminuido claro que si, ¿porque sera? ah claro, porque ahora teneis 200.000 inmigrantes marroquies etc, que no seran muy españolistas..

Hay estudios que si el pais vasco hubiera crecido como corresponde a su capacidad habria crecido 514.724, pero ha perdido poblacion de hecho. Tacticas sucias

[MrDruida44]

Vaya tontería. Los flujos de migración del País Vasco son completamente públicos, consúltalos y después hablamos.

No te creas lo que dice gente llena de odio como Miguel Buesa.

[kaikovich]

tonteria?? Un informe publicado hace unos meses por la Fundación BBVA, firmado por el economista Julio Alcalde y titulado Evolución de la población española en el siglo XX, contiene un dato significativo: mas de 200.000 personas han abandonado el País Vasco desde 1980 hasta el año 2000.

un 10% de los vascos no puede votar en el País Vasco, esto es un hecho público, fiel reflejo de lo "excluyente" que es el nacionalismo vasco. Y no digo mas porque me cabreo

[kaikovich]

ha disminuido pero no mucho, por los inmigrantes marroquies etc a eso me referia. Por capacidad le habria correspondido crecer 514.724, y vizkaia, antes de las provincias mas pobladas, ha sido adelantada por muchisimas provincias como malaga

[kaikovich]

osea de emigrantes españoles nada. Estais en estado vegetativo porque nadie quiere vivir en tan ambiente de canguelo, de pueblos plagados de pancartas a favor de etarras y demas basura infumable

[MrDruida44]

Where?

[arranobeltzaz]

@kaikovich ,

There would be no need to invent any figures if a formal democratic referendum would be conducted in Euskal Herria.

But I guess that even in the case of 100 % of basque people voting for independence you woud fight to prevent it.

Even more, I woud say that you would fight to prevent such a referendum.

Am I right?

[kaikovich]

@arranobeltzaz obviously you are 100% ignorant on the subject, you don't even know what would be Euskal herria. People from Navarra, Alava, and French Basques don't give a fuck about the invented land of Euskal herria. I would not fight, that tactics are only used by the basque extreme racist and segregationist groups, you seem to be one of those, you can go to fight for freedom of Euskal Herria, the promised land, allez allez hope you enjoy your visit to prison after that.

[arranobeltzaz]

@kaikovich

Back to the matter, the democratic self-determination referendum is the right way to know how many people want the independence or give a fuck about Euskal Herria instead of inventing figures as yours. By the way, if the imperialist rulers of France and Spain are as sure as you that the majority of the Basque people do not want the independence I do not understand why they do not rush to have the referendum held in order to get rid of the Basque problem at least for a generation.

[kaikovich]

@arranobeltzaz People have the chance to express their views in the elections. If you take a look at the results in all basque capital cities, in Navarre, in Alava, in the French basque country, you will see that people there don't give a fuck about Euskal Herria, the invented land. If they can have referendum, then I also want one for my village, I want to be the next Monaco. And probably lot villages of Euskal Herria would also want to be next Monaco, would basque government let that? jajaja

[arranobeltzaz]

@kaikovich

Skipping over some obvious differences, I woud say that Euskal Herria has its own "Monaco" but additionally against the wishes of its inhabitants. It is called Treviño, a territory inside of Alava that wants to be incorporated to Alava but belonging by force to Castilla & Leon.

[robertemmet04]

dont talk shit one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, tiocfaidh ar la.

[gorkaioseba]

The most of the population of Basque Country wants the independence, but Spain does not allow a free and democratic referendum, not at Basque Country and neither at Catalonia.

(Can look at what happened at Arens de Munt, nazi salutes and demonnstration allowed by Spain, but free and democratic referendum illegalized)

[Baculus]

The ETA are not right-wight Nazis: They are left-wing Marxists, NOT authoritarians like Al-Qaida, especially since they are a secular organization. And they are not right-wing fascists.

[viharsarok]

I want to learn Basque.

[viharsarok]

Sadly, I coldn't find any usable learning materials.

[Askatasunbidea]

Yes, it's hard to find something to learn, because only 850,000 people speak it well around the world, but if you need to know something in the Basque language, I translate for you :)

[viharsarok]

Thanks, but I don't need translations, I need some quality learning material. I keep searching, maybe there is some out there.

[Askatasunbidea]

ok, good luck, hopefully, everyone had the same interest in learn as you, bye friend

[jumabo08]

you only have to see this video to realise that ETA and the basque fanatics are based in the NAZI ideas and policy. They also share with the afgan taliban their idea of isolation and unique identity. Truly repulsive.

[CHEMUZO]

que mal habla ingles el que ha editado el video

[fernedguy2]

tu jumabo pesado callate si no sabes lo que dices...yo vivo aqui y se de se habla y se hace....españa nos oprime desde 1512...

[jumabo08]

ETA is a neonazi group that has killed many children and women in Spain during the past 50 years. FUCK ETA!!!

[esfsafae]

ETA faxismoaren aurka borrokatzeko eta euskal herriaren askatasuna lortzeko sortutako taldea da, eraso baten erantzuna. NAZIa den bakarra zu zara zure gezur guztiarekin.

negoziazioa da bakea lortzeko bide bakarra

[jumabo08]

ETA, the basque terrorist group, are the "spanish taliban". ETA is a group of criminals who in the past 50 years have killed many children and women in Spain. This evil organisation is dedicated to murder, robbery, pornography, drug trafficking, extorsion, blacmail, intimidation and so on. Their goal of an independent basque country is only an excuse to set up a neonazi, perverse and criminal regime in northem spain. The free world says.. FUCK ETA!

[esfsafae]

jajaja ez dakizu zertaz ari zaren izketan, kampotarren bat engainatzea lortuko duzu baina euskal herritar guztiek badakite ETAk droga trafikoarekin bukatu nahi duela eta estatuak berriz urte askotan euskal herriko kuartel ugaritan drogak banatu dituela. benetan oberena pornografiarena da ETAk euskal herriko putetxe guztiak kontrolatzen ditu jajajaja

[esfsafae]

zu faxista zara terrorista.

ez duzu ideiarik

[Taraborn]

Everything in this video is wrong.

[eskualduna]

this is called verbal diarrhea.

[hidalgolarraz]

1:20 U said 75% of Basque people speak Spanish at home... u must be fucking kidding!

[Biscaine]

what is the % in Ireland with the Gaelic?

[hidalgolarraz]

I´d say it´s less than 10%

[Biscaine]

Thanks but as you said U must be kidding! according to a 2006 census their population is 5,981,448 about twice as big as the whole of Euska-Herria so technically there is more than twice as much (25%) speakers of Basque in the Basque Country than Gaelic speakers in Ireland.... :o

Dhit Dhuit & Slainte!

[MikeofWyoming]

We have a large number of Basque shepheards roaming around Wyoming. Don't know why....

[aramean51]

bask people have right to independece

[recaredo02]

the basques have been the gratest spaniards of history, they have had many diferenciated rights of other lands because of their merites in all kind of fight, but this changed when arrived the crazy nazi of sabino arana, they deserves all our respect, love, and many more until sabino arrival. for the rest of spaniards the simple fact of hear their surnames was thing of hard respect and honor.who has borned basque it was borned noble for the rest of spaniards, we thought¡ ;)

[polarisreseau]

si vous rendez la liberté à un animal, alors vous vous sentirez bien, mais lui il se sentira perdu et restera soumis car vous lui aurez auparavant coupez les ailes.

Mais si il s'envole et vous échappe alors il sera encore sauvage et capable de se battre.

[sebaschpine]

Pobre España, todos quieren separarse de ella, primero fueron sus colonias de América, luego Cuba en el Caribe, después sus propias provincias; pobrecita, sólo quedará Castilla La Mancha.

[Andre2010]

Deus te ouça, nós aqui ao lado até abríamos 1 garrafa de champanhe para brindar

[kaikovich]

tu calla hermano pobre de españa

[saturdayboy]

Identity, cool word. Ever heard "human values"?

[NousSavons]

No, I haven't. What does it mean?

Values change from group to group, person to person. The concept of "human values" are not uniform across ethnic or any other type of groups

[bjeah]

How about humanist values? Identifying with a certain group to oppose another is never good.

[polarisreseau]

il faudrait peut être lrevenir à la situation politique et démocratique qui fut abolit par l'assassinat du peuple basque en 1937 car cette situation légitimiste pour le chancelier Hitler et le Dictateur Franco.

I l faut être cohérent, on est démocratique ou on ne l'est pas, blanc foncé ou noir clair je neconnais pas!

[saturdayboy]

assassinat du peuple basque? ces sont de trop grand mots. On a déjà recuperé la democracie. On n'est plus sur une dictature nationaliste, mais le victimisme des nationalistes basques et catalans est certainement infini et injustifié.

[polarisreseau]

quels exagérations? quel démocratie? je cite des faits réels, évidemment vous avez raison les tchétchènes sont aussi en train de récupérer la démocratie tout comme les basques il n'y a pas si longtemps .

Merci Vladimir!!!

NACHI ROCCIU!!

CRETIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!

[saturdayboy]

Écoute, les basques n'ont jamais été indépendants. On ne peut pas parler d'un droit volé aux basques. Tout ça c'est une invention du nationalisme basque.

[polarisreseau]

alors , il faut faire voter les basques et eux mêmes sauront mieux que d'autres si ils veulent l'indépendance,

(évidemment il faut exclure du vote les populations d'origines différentes sinon autant faire voter toute l'Espagne et la Chine aussi:)))

[saturdayboy]

Et pour quoi? Pour quoi il faut faire voter les basques et que les basques? C'est parce que ETA le dit? Estce qu'ils ont le droit de decider sur l'independance des territoires du nord de l'espagne? No. Ça ne fait pas du sense. On ne peut pas décider les lois nous memes, c'est a l'ensemble des citoyens de l'état de le faire. C'est comme ça que functione la démocracie.

[CHEMUZO]

que pesaos

[BKBOI77]

The Basque Country should be given the opportunity to vote for what they want. People have the right under a democratic state to self-determination. The referendum will either prove the Basque want to stay part of Spain or independence. But it will also create dialogue which will hopefully end the violence ETA has inflicted on behalf of the Basque Country and hopfully create change.

[guiris77]

Before you give your opinion about something you should know about that something. The Basque Nazionalism is a little bit more complicated. Did you know that there are thousands of people who are living somewhere else in Spain because there are afraid of being killed?, Did u know you can not express your political opinion freely in the BC?. I am Spanish and, believe me, we more than Basques want them to be independent, but it is not so easy.

[saturdayboy]

Politics and history are actually more complicated than "Braveheart" and "The patriot". I won't discuss the political debate in a 8 line post, let's just touch the referendum thing: Do you think California has the RIGHT to celebrate an independence referendum? Same for Basque country. Doing it would be ANTIDEMOCRATIC and the rights of 45 million spaniards would be denied. In addition, the territory claimed by basque nationalists is not only the autonomous comunity of the basque country

[antonioeyecandy]

OMG, seriously poor example. CALIFORNIA? The Basques (which is in my blood) are a people of their own heritage and culture. They were once their own sovereigns at one time. They hold the oldest language of europe which is being taken away from the world by over-domineering countries and political leaders. Sad. California is NOTHING like the Basque country. It makes me sick to hear you even compare the two. What's happening to the Basques is disgusting, I feel like I'm losing my heritage each day

[saturdayboy]

(part 2) not only the basque autonomous comunity, there's also the historic kingdom of Navarre and 3 provinces in the south of france. Do you seriously think such referendum would be possible in stable democracies such as the spanish and french? I think the only priority now is to speak loud and fearless against the violence and extortion of radical nationalism. Socialists might win the basque elections in 1 month. Maybe then we start calling murderers (instead of patriots) those ETA bastards.

[saturdayboy]

That sentence "people have the right under a democratic state to self determination" is not true. I don't have the right to self-determinate myself. Im not sovereing in a territory its all the spanish people who is. All the spanish people decide not only 1 or 2. And even if they did that referendum which they would loose for sure(if they include nevarre and the french provinces on the election) they would keep killing and celebrating referendums until they'd won.

[WHITEVOLK8814]

Basque= Spanish.