Proposition 8 wrote discrimination into California's constitution. It should be repealed as soon as possible, so that same sex couples have exactly the same rights as opposite sex couples are granted in California.
Gays didn't have the right to marry before and there wasn't much complaining. It was only after they got it, and then lost it that they started to think they deserved it.
This is the one issue that really irks me about the right. On pretty much every other issue, the war in Iraq, abortion, gambling, prostitution, prayer in school, etc, they almost always have a valid point of view and rational basis for their opinions. But they have yet to produce any reason against gay marriage except: "the bible says it's wrong" or "gay marriage will destroy America" They have no legitimate reason to be against gay marriage except for their own backward beliefs.
Are gays like a different species? It's like, prop 8 defines marriage for ALL people. No matter what your love interests are. If it were discrimination it would say, hey, since you are gay, you don't have the right to marry even if you chose to marry the opposite sex. They still have the right to marry like everyone else--they choose not to.
Prop 8 does not prevent love or commitment- it defines marriage as it has ALWAYS been...between a man and a woman.
It would be equally irrelevant to say I support heterosexuals' right to marry a partner of the same sex. Both conjectures involve things that people just don't do.
Anyone who believes marriage is an unevolving tradition would be wise to avoid dating wealthy and powerful 16th century bachelors. A gal could really lose her head that way.
"Prop 8 does not prevent love or commitment- it defines marriage as it has ALWAYS been...between a man and a woman."
That's pretty absurd claim. For thousands of years marraige was a man OWNING one or more women.
Just 50 years ago women weren't legally property but were still treated as such, and interacial marraiges were illegal and it's interesting to note that they used the EXACT same arguments against that as they do against gay marraige.
A few should not rule over the many. 7 people should not determine whats right or wrong for millions of citizens. Californians said yes for the second time now, and that's how it should remain.
Tavis, I'm not a big fan of you, but this video was well edited with well spoken individuals. It would have been easy to find the most extreme individuals from both sides.
First Comment> Voting is over but i have to say this anyways, Marriage is Religious Ritual. Anyone that is no for prop 8, for what ever their reasons, that wants to participate in same-sex marriage are most likely Not truly religious. So i ask, Why does the no-on-8 community want to participate in a Religious ritual when they themselfs quite possibly do not truly believe in religion.
so then should we take away the right to marry to those "straight" people that are not truly religious?
Marriage is more then just some religious ritual.
People who are fighting for NO on prop 8 are people who understand the benefits that are being taken from a gay couple want to get married which are are not recognized or given in a domestic partnership. Gay couples want to be given the right to marry because they want to be given the same benefits as any other loving married couple.
If marriage were just a religious ritual, why does the federal government recognize marriages and state governments issue marriage licenses? If you want it to merely be a religious ritual, then we should ban all state recognition of this institution, right?
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MyNameNoLongerExists 1 year ago
Proposition 8 wrote discrimination into California's constitution. It should be repealed as soon as possible, so that same sex couples have exactly the same rights as opposite sex couples are granted in California.
WillBmmm89 2 years ago 2
Gays didn't have the right to marry before and there wasn't much complaining. It was only after they got it, and then lost it that they started to think they deserved it.
prestda1 2 years ago
This is the one issue that really irks me about the right. On pretty much every other issue, the war in Iraq, abortion, gambling, prostitution, prayer in school, etc, they almost always have a valid point of view and rational basis for their opinions. But they have yet to produce any reason against gay marriage except: "the bible says it's wrong" or "gay marriage will destroy America" They have no legitimate reason to be against gay marriage except for their own backward beliefs.
olivemike81 2 years ago 2
Are gays like a different species? It's like, prop 8 defines marriage for ALL people. No matter what your love interests are. If it were discrimination it would say, hey, since you are gay, you don't have the right to marry even if you chose to marry the opposite sex. They still have the right to marry like everyone else--they choose not to.
Prop 8 does not prevent love or commitment- it defines marriage as it has ALWAYS been...between a man and a woman.
mockingyouingeneral 3 years ago
It would be equally irrelevant to say I support heterosexuals' right to marry a partner of the same sex. Both conjectures involve things that people just don't do.
Anyone who believes marriage is an unevolving tradition would be wise to avoid dating wealthy and powerful 16th century bachelors. A gal could really lose her head that way.
robopaladin 2 years ago
"Prop 8 does not prevent love or commitment- it defines marriage as it has ALWAYS been...between a man and a woman."
That's pretty absurd claim. For thousands of years marraige was a man OWNING one or more women.
Just 50 years ago women weren't legally property but were still treated as such, and interacial marraiges were illegal and it's interesting to note that they used the EXACT same arguments against that as they do against gay marraige.
dlandon2000 2 years ago
We did it baby 52-48!!!!!!
dropthepucknow 3 years ago
dropthepucknow -
Enjoy it while it lasts. 2000: 61-39%, 2008: 52-48% . That's a gap-closing of 18 percentage points. Give us a few more years and we'll have you beat!
buddy51 2 years ago 2
A few should not rule over the many. 7 people should not determine whats right or wrong for millions of citizens. Californians said yes for the second time now, and that's how it should remain.
esf125 3 years ago
how sad to see people put so much energy into making sure everyone is NOT equal :(
MaxDMovies 3 years ago 8
I completely agree, MaxDMovies. We have the right to vote for our leaders and laws. We shouldn't have the right to vote for discrimination.
TechnologyWitch 3 years ago 4
The "hetro-way"=Going to the gas station and sticking the fuel nozzle into fuel tank opening.
The "homo-way"=Going to the gas station and sticking the fuel nozzle into the exhaust pipe
The homo-way makes the most sense
zigbone 2 years ago
Finally... Maybe this time the Yes vote will stick. CA has spoken for the 2nd time, and the world is listening.
rboyan 3 years ago
The world is not only listening, but are also disgusted.
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago
Tavis, I'm not a big fan of you, but this video was well edited with well spoken individuals. It would have been easy to find the most extreme individuals from both sides.
Thanks for taking the high road.
~ a new fan!
YouShouldVoteYesOn8 3 years ago
wow!
LaSunset 3 years ago
I voted yes. :3
kairi917 3 years ago
First Comment> Voting is over but i have to say this anyways, Marriage is Religious Ritual. Anyone that is no for prop 8, for what ever their reasons, that wants to participate in same-sex marriage are most likely Not truly religious. So i ask, Why does the no-on-8 community want to participate in a Religious ritual when they themselfs quite possibly do not truly believe in religion.
crossc1988 3 years ago
so then should we take away the right to marry to those "straight" people that are not truly religious?
Marriage is more then just some religious ritual.
People who are fighting for NO on prop 8 are people who understand the benefits that are being taken from a gay couple want to get married which are are not recognized or given in a domestic partnership. Gay couples want to be given the right to marry because they want to be given the same benefits as any other loving married couple.
chickenkarma 3 years ago 3
If marriage were just a religious ritual, why does the federal government recognize marriages and state governments issue marriage licenses? If you want it to merely be a religious ritual, then we should ban all state recognition of this institution, right?
ishiiman0 3 years ago 5
Prop 8 is over 5 points up with over 50% reporting!!!
HiveRadical 3 years ago