I love how the religious simply do not understand that in the us majority doesn't rule with issues like this. the constitution was specifically created with the intent of not allowing the majority to control over the minority. not only that but religion does not belong in the public education system. if you want to believe in a story which tells of a man who lived in a fish's stomach or that all of the land animals on earth were within walking distance to the middle east, that's your problem.
@Arcrer It depends were you live; most places are great to live in. You have to remember that the civil rights movement for minorities and women have only been around since the 60's. I feel in the last few years the 'religious conservatives' are clumping together and trying to change the country to suit their needs; in this case the student body religious conservatives clumped together and made this decision to pray.
if ALL students wanted the prayer- fine but they didnt-so it doesnt happen-so the constitution protects one persons right not to be forced to do something they dont want to do and yes everyone else will just have to put up with not getting something they want- its real life- just cope!
twisting words and putting your words in my mouth will not win your argument because you have none! you say i don't care about the kids, i said i would stand with the victims against the bullies. the bully in this case is the atheist! no surprise there. if the christians were tormenting the atheists, or if people were hurting the gays i would stand with them. you see my side is, that i do not like bullies, nor people telling me how i have to live! i will fight for freedom every time!
@reverendloush Just so you know ( and I'm pretty sure you do ) if you want to be sure someone reads your comment you have to put the @ sign and the person's Youtube name at the start of it.
lol well good job at twisting words! i salute you lol! it is ok to vote on issues like school prayer. it is not ok to vote to hurt people! it is ok to vote on other issues like prom themes! i never said any students should be miserable nor that i was, that was you! i said i would stand with the victims which in this case are the majority, who happen to be christians! you are pathetic in your attempts but thanks for the laughs! nice try and fail again for you!
I love listening to a preist misquote the constitution, it doesn't say "congress shall make no law respecting THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ONE RELIGION OVER ANOTHER" it says "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment OF RELGION!" (that's ANY RELIGION, not one over another, that is a totaly differnet law, and one that is NOT in the constitution)
@nikflagstar and on the flip side I don't agree with this "keep religion in the churches" crap either, the same social contract, THE CONSTITUTION provides that everyone has the right to the free exercise of a religion if they choose one, and i think they should be able to do that anywhere at anytime that they want, (so long as it does not directly hinder someone elses rights)
I get upset by having to hear a prayer because it is proof that members of the species that I belong to are ignorant enough to talk to themselves while believing that something is listening. It mocks being an intelligent human being and slaps the face of everyone who understands that there is no sky daddy. Keep religion in churches!
so now the majority is subject to the whims of the minority! as a gay man her logic terrifies me! the woman is an idiot and the priest is correct! you can not make a law that prohibits my expression of religion! that is what the constitution says! so she has no legal leg to stand on. democracy is majority rule! our nation is based on this notion! freedom to vote is our right! the students voted and it should stand!
@reverendloush Many religions teach that "choosing to live a gay lifestyle" is wrong. If the majority of the students in a school believe that, should they be allowed to express that religious belief by praying that you and any other gay students be burned in hell for eternity at your school graduation in a public school?
@Smithpolly nice try but fail! there is a far cry between an opening prayer and hate speech intended to incite violence. it is also the same with yelling fire in a crowded theater! however since you asked such a question i must say yes, if the majority voted to do that they must be allowed. this is a democracy after all, or it is supposed to be anyway! it doesn't matter if i like it or agree with it. but i for one am sick an tired of atheists trying to run my life. i will die before i submit!
@reverendloush i will die before i submit to the rules laid down by atheists and agnostics! i am a gay christian american! i will not be ruled like we used to be in england. and despite all their noble sentiments that is exactly what atheists want to happen. i never want to live in a theocracy nor do i ever want to live in a completely secular society! i have seen the evils of both! like in france where children are not even allowed to wear their crosses in school!
@reverendloush or islam on the other side of the scale! no neither way is acceptable! give me liberty or give me death! i will fight to keep all my rights including my religious rights! i will never give in! it is my duty as an american citizen (even though as a gay man i am a third class citizen); to fight atheists every step of the way and rebel even to the point of violence or civil disobedience if they get their way as a matter of law! i will always rebel against such stupidity!
@reverendloush They could and would argue that it was in no way a hate speech intended to incite violence. They are simply expressing religious beliefs that their fellow graduates who are gay are going to burn in hell.
Clearly, you're prepared to accept hate speeches at graduations. But just as a matter of interest, do you draw any lines as to where we might question if majority voting is the best way to go?
@Smithpolly sure i draw lines but not at graduation ceremonies! i leave that for idiots to do! see we can't have it both ways either we believe in freedom of speech or we do not! either we believe in democracy or we do not! if we only allow those to talk that we agree with than america isn't america! i may not like what you have to say but i will fight to the death for your right to say it! some principals can not be backed down on! we will have to disagree!
@reverendloush People have plenty of opportunity to express their religious views in America. They can do it in churches. They can knock on people's doors to proselytise. They can stand on the street and shout what they believe to the skies. You say you will fight to the death so people can have free speech. Will you fight for a child to have the right to get an education without being verbally bullied?
@Smithpolly lol whatever! i was bullied. i was run out of school at gunpoint for being gay. i was also attacked by my atheist science teachers! unlike you i have seen all sides. i have lived through getting bullied by both sides! so please save it, we will not agree! atheists are some of the biggest bullies in the world! i actually had a man at ihop assault me because i wouldn't renounce my faith! where was my hero when the atheist teachers went after me? i had to be my own!
@reverendloush the school didn't stop the homophobes or the religious zealots, or the atheists and agnostic zealots! i have always had to fight for my rights! and i will continue to do so! i leave you to your own conscience!
@reverendloush So I'll take that as a No. You were miserable and bullied in school and no one helped you, so why should kids today have the chance of enjoying their school days? That's seems reasonable and fair.
@Smithpolly lol you missed my point! people must fight their own fights. we can stand with them but really we can't live their lives for them. it is the christian students getting bullied here by the atheistic minority! just like that stupid organization that is sueing a town over their right to have a nativity scene they have had for many years! so i am standing up for the victims here. the victims in this case are the christian majority!
@reverendloush i have said my piece! i have nothing more to say! we will disagree and that is that! the students voted and should have gotten their way in this matter! the bully won! cheers! ha-ra! the students probably backed down! i would not have. i would have interrupted the proceedings with civil disobedience if i had to! some people are willing to fight for what is right and some are not! such is life!
@reverendloush Well, in that case, if it makes the majority happy to beat the crap out of gay students then that's the way it should be. Majority rules after all. And if said gay student can't fight his own fight, tough.
@Smithpolly hahaha lol wtf ever! voting to say a prayer is not the same as beating the crap out of people! nice try but fail! i was the gay student! your argument is beyond stupid! but as i said to each their own! lol thanks for the laughs anyway! the majority didn't vote to beat people but to say a prayer on their special day! comparing it to beating people is ludicrous! but whatever! atheists can bully people and that is ok with you! why not! lol, thanks it is always nice to see prejudice!
@reverendloush Why would you care if it's the same or not. As long at the majority is happy that's the important thing. And I think it's safe to say that there are plenty of places where the majority would not be only happy to vote to beat the crap out of gay people but to execute them as well.
@Smithpolly hahahah lol, now you have officially entered la la land and are just trying to make me upset and prove just how stupid your own argument is! i know there places that people would vote to beat the crap out of me. i live in one! it still doesn't make students voting to say a prayer the same as beating people you daft twit fool lol! but as i said to each their own! it has been amusing! good bye oh juvenile one! honestly you can't have a serious conversation with people anymore!
@reverendloush because they are all children! the students were still in the right to have a chance to vote and participate in the democratic system like the rest of americans. though i am sure smith polly would take away their rights because they are actual children.
@reverendloush or maybe because they are christian and we christians are not afforded the same courtesies under the law as atheists! nice to see prejudice alive and well! when someone can compare prayer to beatings you know our nation has lost it way and its mind!
@reverendloush So basically, you want school prayer, so it's ok to vote for that. You had a hard time in school so other gay students should be just as miserable as you were so it's ok to vote for hate speeches at schools. Plus you're not at school so what do you care. But if people were allowed to vote to beat the crap out of gay people, that would cause you some problems. So guess where you draw the line on majority voting. There's a surprise.
I am not sure if you are intentionally trolling or you are really that stupid. Let me repeat - you can say whatever whenever. School as a government institution cannot have organized(!!!) prayer as a part of any official function. You morons for some reason cannot understand that "prohibits the federal and state governments from establishing an official religion" applies to a school. A school cannot, you can - Capish?
A Muslim prayer? That's not illustrative enough. How about a Satanic prayer? Would the preacher and that Fox News bimbo be OK with a blood sacrifice as a tribute to the glory of Lucifer if 50,1% of the students agreeded to it? My guess is no...
It amazes me how many idiots think that the 1st amendment suggests that government can't establish a religion. Of course it can't, but that's not what the amendment says. It says it cannot make a law that RESPECTS an establishment of religion. Idiots.
@Mushuukyou So you're saying that you will have no problems if a public school that was 50.01% Muslim and 49.99% Christian voted to do a Muslim prayer to Allah 5x a day during class, you would be okay with it?
The point is it cant be one thing, if everyone doesn't follow that one thing. You want to pray at graduation than pray, don't make it happen so its a speculation for everyone to watch. Felt bad for the women.
I can agree with both sides. As an atheist, If there was going to be a prayer, I just wouldnt bow my head in prayer, and the religious would be happy and not be butthurt
Why do people get offended at prayers forced on them? Here is a way that it makes it clear to christians. Imagine that the instead of a muslim prayer it was a satanic prayer praising the devil for the works of evil he has committed. Would that be offensive? Of course it would. It is easy to see the offensiveness of it, when you disagree with the content of the message.
i'm pretty sure that if i went to the south that i could get the majority to vote for slavery. why should all of us have to suffer if only a few people don't want to bring it back? why are you offended? i'm not putting you in the cotton fields, so you shouldn't be offended by this.
So if you have religion you are not allowed to practice it in public. So one athiest doesn't like it so you cannot do it. Come on now get over it. You will live so you are not being forced to pray along. WTF!
@13fanboi Okay, here's a more... moderate response. You're perfectly welcome to practice your faith wherever you want, silently. After all, didn't Jesus claim that people who went about showing off their worship in the streets were hypocrites? A silent prayer over a meal in a restaurant, or at a public school during graduation or before a game, is perfectly acceptable. Isn't it the same thing when you get right down to it?
What if the majority voted to sacrifice the valedictorian, would that be ok? Is that how "democracy works" in the US according to the Fox news? What part of the word unconstitutional is so difficult to understand?
And in a true democracy, whatever the majority vote, will pass. If there is someone in power that can say no and it doesn't pass, that's not a democracy.
@cheburashka1326 Sweetie, it's you who doesn't even know what the hell unconstitutional means. For it to be unconstitutional it would have to violate the Constitution. Praying at a high school graduation does not violate the Constitution. Preventing a girl from doing so by law does! The Constitution gives us the freedom to practice religion anywhere at anytime. That's what religious freedom means. READ THE 1ST AMENDMENT!!
@ColibriAnna08 and other religious morons - yes you have full right to perform an act of public mental masturbation you call prayer anytime and anywhere. However should you try to exclude somebody form a government sponsored event to have a conversation with you imaginary friend, or you try to force somebody to participate - that would be government sponsored establishment of a religion. My dear confused @ColibriAnna08 that is what unconstitutional, you religious idiocy is stil legal.
@cheburashka1326 The Constitution does NOT say that the government cannot "sponsor" a religion. Likewise, even if it did, the Constitution does NOT say that praying at a school event is equal to the government endorsing religion. I dare you to support that with the Constitution. You can't because it is your opinion bred our of ignorance. By the way, I'm not religious. I'm agnostic, but I also understand our Constitution. You might want to try it.
(cont.) You speak as if our constitutional rights are conditional. You speak as if we have freedom of speech an religion unless we're at a government funded public or institution. That is not what our Constitution teaches. Our rights are absolute and cannot be revoked because we're at a school function. That is a load of bullshit fabricated by easily offended people like you who don't want to hear religion.
@ColibriAnna08 Just noticed - "Our rights are absolute and cannot be revoked" - wow, wow , wow. Your right to believe whatever is pretty generic, but your religious practices are severely limited by our constitution. Even if you religion demands it You CANNOT 1. sacrifice people. 2. enslave people. 3. limit other people's right. As such the rights ARE revokable - your right to liberty is revocable if you committed a crime, so is your right to vote. US is a constitutional republic, not an anarchy
@Pooternackle5 I keep trying to figure out what that "good reason" is, and I can't. I can't recall a situation where prayer or the presence of God has had a negative result. Every time you hear something negative regarding God, it's ALWAYS perverted by man.
@whodatdere The unfalsifiable bullshit at the end of your statement is where you go wrong, whodatdere. If you were to find any good reason for the first amendment (regarding prayer in school), it would immediately go into the "perversion of man" category. Obviously this video is a testament to a negative result of prayer. If you are just going to categorize what is good or not by your own system, why even comment?
@whodatdere The unfalsifiable bullshit at the end of your statement is where you go wrong, whodatdere. If you were to find any good reason for the first amendment (regarding prayer in school), it would immediately go into the "perversion of man" category. Obviously this video is a testament to a negative result of prayer. If you are just going to categorize what is good or not by your own system, why even comment?
@whodatdere The unfalsifiable bullshit at the end of your statement is where you go wrong, whodatdere. If you were to find any good reason for the first amendment (regarding prayer in school), it would immediately go into the "perversion of man" category. Obviously this video is a testament to a negative result of prayer. If you are just going to categorize what is good or not by your own system, why even comment?
“When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I tell you the truth, that is all the reward they will ever get. But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.
Hey if these delusional fuck nuggets want to believe in a mystical sky daddy they can go celebrate the miracle of how they passed high school with their clearly failing logic in their own private gathering somewhere else. Don't do it in a fucking state funded school.
@larsattack Respect is a two way street. How about those students respecting him enough not to put their unnecessary religiosity out to where he is a captive audience to it?
@TransitionalSpecies What makes you think they weren't respectful of the valedictorian? They never said they forced him to take part and or listen to the prayer (in this video at least. I haven't personally researched this story). They didn't even force their own students to have the prayer. Of course it would be seen unnecessary to someone without faith. As would any foreign cultural trait would seem unnecessary. It doesn't mean they should be prohibited to do it.
@larsattack I didn't say that they weren't. It would be the opposite to what is true every time I learn about these stories. Without exception the other students feel since they are the majority, they are free to impose their nonsense on others despite objections. They should be prohibited from doing it at the official graduation ceremony, though. What prevents them from doing it before, after, or silently during the ceremony?
@TransitionalSpecies But what you are not understanding is that no one is imposing anything on anyone. No one is forcing the valedictorian or any other athiest/agnostic in the auditorium to take part in their prayer unless simply over-hearing a prayer is of major offense to the non-believers. If you are religious you will want to thank your God for helping you make it to graduation so of course it makes sense to do it at the ceremony. You don't thank God when the meal is done and ready.
@larsattack That's really too bad. The supreme court has ruled on this one and I think they actually got this one right. You can't do that in public school. Individual students can make the decision to give praise to their imaginary father figure in the sky, though. It adds nothing to subject others to that though.
@MrJohnnyrace I think that's debatable... It's not an endorsement of religion. Also mind you the actual wording of the Constitution only refers to laws, not ceremonial events.
I'll try to answer the priests question--"why are people offended by the prayer". For myself, it's not so much the prayer itself (although I am generally offended by ignorant superstitious beliefs). It's the fact that it is forced upon a captive audience. And worse, I am offended by the realization that that many do not recognize my right to live without their ignorant, superstitious beliefs and would go much further if they could, in forcing those beliefs upon me and my children.
@DandAinTac I couldn't have said it better myself, although I have made similar comments on other posts. It's a good job you and I live in a time and place when we can voice our opinions without fear. This has come after centuries of struggle against the bigotry and persecution of religion when it had the power to rule us. Now they no longer have that power here, they come to us with cap in hand and say "what is wrong with a prayer in school" but we have a right to hold them to account.
@boc1953 Thank you! Instead of a "National Day of Prayer", I'd like to see a "National Day of Religious Skepticism" or perhaps a "National Day of Rejecting Dogma". Hell, I'd be perfectly happy with just a "National Day of Rational Thinking". Even none of the above would be okay. Every time the government endorses religion like this, it tip toes back into the time when religion was forced upon pain of torture and death, not just ostracism, and they have no right to expect us to forget that.
Your faith should be a private relationship between you and god exercised only in public areas that have been designed for that porous eg churches etc. The churches are very quick to expel from their private schools children of homosexual parents. So they need to respect also that public state buildings are beyond their jurisdiction. The law of the country and the cannon law are not married.
@elizdeu whatever I can do to aid a fellow free thinker. Besides I frankly was bored and figured I might as well spur on some weeks old post randomly...
@GodisGreat44125 I would like to have you know that the US is not even close to 300 years old. Depending on where you consider the beginning of the US it is from 222 years old to 235 years old. The socially accepted (in the US) date is based off of our Declaration of Independence being in 1776. Simple math, 2011 - 1776= 235, 65 years off from 300.
@RegaCaska Unfortunately, most of the "pious" Americans love to claim that America began when the Puritans first landed even though they like to casually forget the Virginia colony was older and secular. Of course the Puritans in their goals had no intention of "birthing a nation".They only wanted their "City on the Hill" off on their own, since they felt soooo oppressed by the evils of sinful England (it's why they didn't go to Virginia first,in fact ironically they went to Denmark first).
@SciBishop Interesting. Much of that i was not aware of. In all the communities I've been in no-one has mentioned considering their landing as the beginning of the US. The federally accepted date would be the 4th of July seeing as it is a federal holiday celebrating when the Declaration of Independence was written and considered by all I know to be the separation from Great Britain and considering self-dependence. But I could also see other times such as those based off of the Constitution.
Really is this what America has come America has been fine and good for 300 years and now all of u atheist step in the US is turning into a hell hole. God bless u all
@GodisGreat44125 ark-of-salvation org/jews_in_diaspora.htm "This, of course, would make Zoroaster the "father of monotheism". But non-Zoroastrian academic scholars are firm in dating his ministry at about 600 BC, because the Zoroastrian scriptures themselves contain a reference to Alexander the Great..."
There are tree different traditions when it comes to dating the Old Testament (OT): the “traditionalists” who believe OT came into being about around 1000 BC, the “moderate” who think OT emerged around 600 BC and the “minimalists” who think OT is a Hellenistic work which must have been produced after 330 BC.
@GodisGreat44125 The oldest known biblical texts are the Qumran scrolls, carbon dated to between 240 BC and 100 AD. The Qumran scrolls are actually not originals but just copies of copies. The Qumran scrolls include some texts (30 %) from the Hebrew bible, but only parts of Isaiah from the Christian Bible.
@GodisGreat44125 "According to Biblical chronology the forefather Abraham lived around 1800 BC, and the Exodus happened around 1250 BC. Abraham is in the Bible riding his camel, even though this animal was not domesticated in this area until 1000 BC? And how could the Jews in Genesis chapter 42 pay for their seeds with coins when the oldest known coins are from the seventh century BC in Asia Minor?"
The Hebrews are the first people to develop the idea of one god
At first the Hebrew god, Yahweh or Jehovah, remains one god among many (though the only god deserving worship). This halfway house towards monotheism is described technically as monolatry. But by the time the Hebrews are established in Jerusalem, from about 1000 BC, Yahweh is recognized as the only god.
@GodisGreat44125 Monotraly- Monolatrism or monolatry (Greek: μόνος (monos) = single, and λατρεία (latreia) = worship) is the recognition of the existence of many gods, but with the consistent worship of only one deity
And that is how Yahweh started. By being one of the many, then becoming one (by PEOPLE)
@GodisGreat44125 To show you that indeed your religion had a beginning, and it spawned from polytheism, then monolatry, then monotheism. You did ask for proof..
@GodisGreat44125 because we are animals, smart ones at that, but all of the other animals prove that there isn't a god to worship. We are the only ones attempting to reach the divine, it is because we are intelligent and capable of asking "why" When really, it is just reality
@iliveon we are not animals we are humans. because god made us different from all of the other speices on the earth. that is why we are smarter. and if really believe we came from monkeys you my friend are a wicked fool.
I hate to inform you, well; lets be honest. I love to inform you that you are wrong! Humans actually share 96% of the same DNA a chimps! Dose that make a chimp only 4% animal? No. Why, because Humans are animals. Having intelligence dose not exclude us from the animal kingdom.
“god made us different from all of the other speices on the earth. that is why we are smarter.” You are wrong again! There are two theories on why Humans developed our intelligence. The first is we needed our intelligence to fight off predators. Think about it, you would lose in a fight with a lion, unless you were able to fashion a weapon. Our lack of built in weapons pushed us to be smarter. The less intelligent couldn’t build a spear and smarted could.
The second theory is we developed intelligence as a sexual display. I don’t agree with that theory but it holds more water than God. Oh, and by the way its spelled “species.”
“let me ask you a question were did we come from then?” Well your question is very vague. Are you asking “What did Humans evolve from?” The answer to that is chimpanzee. If you are asking “Where did the animal that Humans evolved from, evolve from?” The answer to that is Plesiadapis I think but I could be mistaken. Clarify this and I can give you a better answer or at least try.
Evidence that God made the universe, please? And nothing about how the Big Bang is impossible or anything like that. Just evidence for your viewpoint.
Um... Choosing bad music doesnt violate the constitution dumbass
RDexter17 2 weeks ago
I love how the religious simply do not understand that in the us majority doesn't rule with issues like this. the constitution was specifically created with the intent of not allowing the majority to control over the minority. not only that but religion does not belong in the public education system. if you want to believe in a story which tells of a man who lived in a fish's stomach or that all of the land animals on earth were within walking distance to the middle east, that's your problem.
asdfbobbyasdf 3 weeks ago
1:23 Oh no. Anyone think he sounds like mr Oneil from the Daria show? watch?v=SLQzpCqTnvo Goto: 8:11
MrNintoku 3 weeks ago
Ewww. 1:03 He just screams Loser, Fag (In the bad way) and Moron. I hate this guy more than Billo.
MrNintoku 3 weeks ago
Someone needs to slap that priest
MudHut67 3 weeks ago
Is it often like this in the US?
Arcrer 1 month ago
@Arcrer
More so.
MudHut67 3 weeks ago
@MudHut67 My condolences..
Arcrer 3 weeks ago
@Arcrer
Save them, I am not American :)
MudHut67 3 weeks ago
@Arcrer It depends were you live; most places are great to live in. You have to remember that the civil rights movement for minorities and women have only been around since the 60's. I feel in the last few years the 'religious conservatives' are clumping together and trying to change the country to suit their needs; in this case the student body religious conservatives clumped together and made this decision to pray.
lovenamese 3 weeks ago
all fox news women are bimbos with the educational skills of a theocratically bigoted arsewipe that prefers to hear their voice above all others.
naybobdenod 1 month ago
if ALL students wanted the prayer- fine but they didnt-so it doesnt happen-so the constitution protects one persons right not to be forced to do something they dont want to do and yes everyone else will just have to put up with not getting something they want- its real life- just cope!
dancingnancy09 1 month ago
They should do a prayer to Thor.
cavejourney 1 month ago
fuck false religous beliefs
loly1969 1 month ago
twisting words and putting your words in my mouth will not win your argument because you have none! you say i don't care about the kids, i said i would stand with the victims against the bullies. the bully in this case is the atheist! no surprise there. if the christians were tormenting the atheists, or if people were hurting the gays i would stand with them. you see my side is, that i do not like bullies, nor people telling me how i have to live! i will fight for freedom every time!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush Just so you know ( and I'm pretty sure you do ) if you want to be sure someone reads your comment you have to put the @ sign and the person's Youtube name at the start of it.
Smithpolly 1 month ago
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lol well good job at twisting words! i salute you lol! it is ok to vote on issues like school prayer. it is not ok to vote to hurt people! it is ok to vote on other issues like prom themes! i never said any students should be miserable nor that i was, that was you! i said i would stand with the victims which in this case are the majority, who happen to be christians! you are pathetic in your attempts but thanks for the laughs! nice try and fail again for you!
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reverendloush 1 month ago
I love listening to a preist misquote the constitution, it doesn't say "congress shall make no law respecting THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ONE RELIGION OVER ANOTHER" it says "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment OF RELGION!" (that's ANY RELIGION, not one over another, that is a totaly differnet law, and one that is NOT in the constitution)
nikflagstar 1 month ago
@nikflagstar and on the flip side I don't agree with this "keep religion in the churches" crap either, the same social contract, THE CONSTITUTION provides that everyone has the right to the free exercise of a religion if they choose one, and i think they should be able to do that anywhere at anytime that they want, (so long as it does not directly hinder someone elses rights)
nikflagstar 1 month ago
wow.... a smart person on fox news
patmanrox 2 months ago
On the face of it, I agreed with the students, at 2:14, she changed my mind.
pdawwwg96 2 months ago
I get upset by having to hear a prayer because it is proof that members of the species that I belong to are ignorant enough to talk to themselves while believing that something is listening. It mocks being an intelligent human being and slaps the face of everyone who understands that there is no sky daddy. Keep religion in churches!
Xwowplaya 2 months ago
so now the majority is subject to the whims of the minority! as a gay man her logic terrifies me! the woman is an idiot and the priest is correct! you can not make a law that prohibits my expression of religion! that is what the constitution says! so she has no legal leg to stand on. democracy is majority rule! our nation is based on this notion! freedom to vote is our right! the students voted and it should stand!
reverendloush 2 months ago
@reverendloush Many religions teach that "choosing to live a gay lifestyle" is wrong. If the majority of the students in a school believe that, should they be allowed to express that religious belief by praying that you and any other gay students be burned in hell for eternity at your school graduation in a public school?
Smithpolly 1 month ago
@Smithpolly nice try but fail! there is a far cry between an opening prayer and hate speech intended to incite violence. it is also the same with yelling fire in a crowded theater! however since you asked such a question i must say yes, if the majority voted to do that they must be allowed. this is a democracy after all, or it is supposed to be anyway! it doesn't matter if i like it or agree with it. but i for one am sick an tired of atheists trying to run my life. i will die before i submit!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush i will die before i submit to the rules laid down by atheists and agnostics! i am a gay christian american! i will not be ruled like we used to be in england. and despite all their noble sentiments that is exactly what atheists want to happen. i never want to live in a theocracy nor do i ever want to live in a completely secular society! i have seen the evils of both! like in france where children are not even allowed to wear their crosses in school!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush or islam on the other side of the scale! no neither way is acceptable! give me liberty or give me death! i will fight to keep all my rights including my religious rights! i will never give in! it is my duty as an american citizen (even though as a gay man i am a third class citizen); to fight atheists every step of the way and rebel even to the point of violence or civil disobedience if they get their way as a matter of law! i will always rebel against such stupidity!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush They could and would argue that it was in no way a hate speech intended to incite violence. They are simply expressing religious beliefs that their fellow graduates who are gay are going to burn in hell.
Clearly, you're prepared to accept hate speeches at graduations. But just as a matter of interest, do you draw any lines as to where we might question if majority voting is the best way to go?
Smithpolly 1 month ago
@Smithpolly sure i draw lines but not at graduation ceremonies! i leave that for idiots to do! see we can't have it both ways either we believe in freedom of speech or we do not! either we believe in democracy or we do not! if we only allow those to talk that we agree with than america isn't america! i may not like what you have to say but i will fight to the death for your right to say it! some principals can not be backed down on! we will have to disagree!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush and with that i bid you farewell!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush People have plenty of opportunity to express their religious views in America. They can do it in churches. They can knock on people's doors to proselytise. They can stand on the street and shout what they believe to the skies. You say you will fight to the death so people can have free speech. Will you fight for a child to have the right to get an education without being verbally bullied?
Smithpolly 1 month ago
@Smithpolly lol whatever! i was bullied. i was run out of school at gunpoint for being gay. i was also attacked by my atheist science teachers! unlike you i have seen all sides. i have lived through getting bullied by both sides! so please save it, we will not agree! atheists are some of the biggest bullies in the world! i actually had a man at ihop assault me because i wouldn't renounce my faith! where was my hero when the atheist teachers went after me? i had to be my own!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush the school didn't stop the homophobes or the religious zealots, or the atheists and agnostic zealots! i have always had to fight for my rights! and i will continue to do so! i leave you to your own conscience!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush So I'll take that as a No. You were miserable and bullied in school and no one helped you, so why should kids today have the chance of enjoying their school days? That's seems reasonable and fair.
Smithpolly 1 month ago
@Smithpolly lol you missed my point! people must fight their own fights. we can stand with them but really we can't live their lives for them. it is the christian students getting bullied here by the atheistic minority! just like that stupid organization that is sueing a town over their right to have a nativity scene they have had for many years! so i am standing up for the victims here. the victims in this case are the christian majority!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush i have said my piece! i have nothing more to say! we will disagree and that is that! the students voted and should have gotten their way in this matter! the bully won! cheers! ha-ra! the students probably backed down! i would not have. i would have interrupted the proceedings with civil disobedience if i had to! some people are willing to fight for what is right and some are not! such is life!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@Smithpolly so why should kids today have the chance of enjoying their school days?
lol, this is funny because the minority made the majority of students miserable and unable to enjoy their school experience! you contradict yourself!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush Well, in that case, if it makes the majority happy to beat the crap out of gay students then that's the way it should be. Majority rules after all. And if said gay student can't fight his own fight, tough.
Smithpolly 1 month ago
@Smithpolly hahaha lol wtf ever! voting to say a prayer is not the same as beating the crap out of people! nice try but fail! i was the gay student! your argument is beyond stupid! but as i said to each their own! lol thanks for the laughs anyway! the majority didn't vote to beat people but to say a prayer on their special day! comparing it to beating people is ludicrous! but whatever! atheists can bully people and that is ok with you! why not! lol, thanks it is always nice to see prejudice!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush Why would you care if it's the same or not. As long at the majority is happy that's the important thing. And I think it's safe to say that there are plenty of places where the majority would not be only happy to vote to beat the crap out of gay people but to execute them as well.
Smithpolly 1 month ago
@Smithpolly hahahah lol, now you have officially entered la la land and are just trying to make me upset and prove just how stupid your own argument is! i know there places that people would vote to beat the crap out of me. i live in one! it still doesn't make students voting to say a prayer the same as beating people you daft twit fool lol! but as i said to each their own! it has been amusing! good bye oh juvenile one! honestly you can't have a serious conversation with people anymore!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush because they are all children! the students were still in the right to have a chance to vote and participate in the democratic system like the rest of americans. though i am sure smith polly would take away their rights because they are actual children.
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush or maybe because they are christian and we christians are not afforded the same courtesies under the law as atheists! nice to see prejudice alive and well! when someone can compare prayer to beatings you know our nation has lost it way and its mind!
reverendloush 1 month ago
@reverendloush So basically, you want school prayer, so it's ok to vote for that. You had a hard time in school so other gay students should be just as miserable as you were so it's ok to vote for hate speeches at schools. Plus you're not at school so what do you care. But if people were allowed to vote to beat the crap out of gay people, that would cause you some problems. So guess where you draw the line on majority voting. There's a surprise.
Smithpolly 1 month ago
That man is precisely the problem with America today. Intolerant fucks
cstehr41 2 months ago
Does that mean if the students want to smoke pot as a majority it's okay to do so?
sol3a1 2 months ago
I am not sure if you are intentionally trolling or you are really that stupid. Let me repeat - you can say whatever whenever. School as a government institution cannot have organized(!!!) prayer as a part of any official function. You morons for some reason cannot understand that "prohibits the federal and state governments from establishing an official religion" applies to a school. A school cannot, you can - Capish?
cheburashka1326 2 months ago
And now, the opinion of Fox's in-house gay priest...
fdasherv 2 months ago
A Muslim prayer? That's not illustrative enough. How about a Satanic prayer? Would the preacher and that Fox News bimbo be OK with a blood sacrifice as a tribute to the glory of Lucifer if 50,1% of the students agreeded to it? My guess is no...
noibn2 2 months ago
This priest is a moron
nhbiker1961 3 months ago
It amazes me how many idiots think that the 1st amendment suggests that government can't establish a religion. Of course it can't, but that's not what the amendment says. It says it cannot make a law that RESPECTS an establishment of religion. Idiots.
Mushuukyou 3 months ago
@Mushuukyou So you're saying that you will have no problems if a public school that was 50.01% Muslim and 49.99% Christian voted to do a Muslim prayer to Allah 5x a day during class, you would be okay with it?
DeadFishFactory 3 months ago
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@DeadFishFactory How could you possibly, logically get that from what I've said? Do you know how to read English well?
Mushuukyou 3 months ago
Fuck you, you dumbass priest. Nice fake voice, go bugger some children.
visigrog 3 months ago
He doesn't believe in Zeppelin!? Burn him at the stake!!!
renji1558 3 months ago
the lawyer is a sexy woman. Her laugh at the end excites me.
GalaxyShift 3 months ago
The point is it cant be one thing, if everyone doesn't follow that one thing. You want to pray at graduation than pray, don't make it happen so its a speculation for everyone to watch. Felt bad for the women.
vampire0101265 4 months ago
there's a reason why she's valedictorian.. she haz brainzes
iPriestHolmes 4 months ago
I can agree with both sides. As an atheist, If there was going to be a prayer, I just wouldnt bow my head in prayer, and the religious would be happy and not be butthurt
TheHobbsicle 4 months ago
How can't you believe in led Zeppelin 0.o
DRZPRiNCESS401 4 months ago
Why do people get offended at prayers forced on them? Here is a way that it makes it clear to christians. Imagine that the instead of a muslim prayer it was a satanic prayer praising the devil for the works of evil he has committed. Would that be offensive? Of course it would. It is easy to see the offensiveness of it, when you disagree with the content of the message.
tlaloc2511 4 months ago
i'm pretty sure that if i went to the south that i could get the majority to vote for slavery. why should all of us have to suffer if only a few people don't want to bring it back? why are you offended? i'm not putting you in the cotton fields, so you shouldn't be offended by this.
PAROHO9 4 months ago
I feel sorry for that woman, she is surrounded by fucking morons.
TheKlungo 4 months ago 29
good word from the priest
nick624179 4 months ago
If the majority voted for a prayer,
There should be a prayer. Simple as that.
MrMphloI 4 months ago
easy answer: Satanic prayer
Moppy1988 4 months ago
what if the majority said black kids cant walk for graduation.
aro327 4 months ago
The way the priest talks, sounds like a pedophile. Agreed?
Asadorngasm 4 months ago
So if you have religion you are not allowed to practice it in public. So one athiest doesn't like it so you cannot do it. Come on now get over it. You will live so you are not being forced to pray along. WTF!
csincali 4 months ago
Wow! He is the most effeminate priest that I have seen for a while, is he gay or what? Save your prayers for church where religious BS belongs.
ACCSESS247 4 months ago
@ACCSESS247 Oh,so we can practice our faith where folks like you say we can? Somehow I do not think that is what the founding fathers had in mind.
13fanboi 4 months ago
@13fanboi Okay, here's a more... moderate response. You're perfectly welcome to practice your faith wherever you want, silently. After all, didn't Jesus claim that people who went about showing off their worship in the streets were hypocrites? A silent prayer over a meal in a restaurant, or at a public school during graduation or before a game, is perfectly acceptable. Isn't it the same thing when you get right down to it?
shinobi67 4 months ago
@ACCSESS247 --We wont hide our faith no matter how loud the faggot-worshipping atheist MINORITY crowd screams.
RepentAmerica454 4 months ago
What if the majority voted to sacrifice the valedictorian, would that be ok? Is that how "democracy works" in the US according to the Fox news? What part of the word unconstitutional is so difficult to understand?
cheburashka1326 4 months ago 20
@cheburashka1326 prayer is not unconstitutional
And in a true democracy, whatever the majority vote, will pass. If there is someone in power that can say no and it doesn't pass, that's not a democracy.
lamisol 4 months ago
@cheburashka1326 Sweetie, it's you who doesn't even know what the hell unconstitutional means. For it to be unconstitutional it would have to violate the Constitution. Praying at a high school graduation does not violate the Constitution. Preventing a girl from doing so by law does! The Constitution gives us the freedom to practice religion anywhere at anytime. That's what religious freedom means. READ THE 1ST AMENDMENT!!
ColibriAnna08 2 months ago
@ColibriAnna08 and other religious morons - yes you have full right to perform an act of public mental masturbation you call prayer anytime and anywhere. However should you try to exclude somebody form a government sponsored event to have a conversation with you imaginary friend, or you try to force somebody to participate - that would be government sponsored establishment of a religion. My dear confused @ColibriAnna08 that is what unconstitutional, you religious idiocy is stil legal.
cheburashka1326 2 months ago
@cheburashka1326 The Constitution does NOT say that the government cannot "sponsor" a religion. Likewise, even if it did, the Constitution does NOT say that praying at a school event is equal to the government endorsing religion. I dare you to support that with the Constitution. You can't because it is your opinion bred our of ignorance. By the way, I'm not religious. I'm agnostic, but I also understand our Constitution. You might want to try it.
ColibriAnna08 2 months ago
(cont.) You speak as if our constitutional rights are conditional. You speak as if we have freedom of speech an religion unless we're at a government funded public or institution. That is not what our Constitution teaches. Our rights are absolute and cannot be revoked because we're at a school function. That is a load of bullshit fabricated by easily offended people like you who don't want to hear religion.
ColibriAnna08 2 months ago
@ColibriAnna08 Just noticed - "Our rights are absolute and cannot be revoked" - wow, wow , wow. Your right to believe whatever is pretty generic, but your religious practices are severely limited by our constitution. Even if you religion demands it You CANNOT 1. sacrifice people. 2. enslave people. 3. limit other people's right. As such the rights ARE revokable - your right to liberty is revocable if you committed a crime, so is your right to vote. US is a constitutional republic, not an anarchy
cheburashka1326 2 months ago
They "vote" on whether or not to pray?? Great way to teach them about how true democracy works (NOT!).
jerico641 4 months ago
This Morris dude should know that his god told Christians NOT to pray in public. So he should be against, actually...
grozde 4 months ago
@grozde --Jesus said not to pray publicly "in order to be seen by men"; remember that Church is a public place.
RepentAmerica454 4 months ago
@RepentAmerica454 That's right!
That's why praying in churches is also against Jesus 's teaching! ;-)
grozde 4 months ago
@Pooternackle5 I keep trying to figure out what that "good reason" is, and I can't. I can't recall a situation where prayer or the presence of God has had a negative result. Every time you hear something negative regarding God, it's ALWAYS perverted by man.
whodatdere 4 months ago
@whodatdere The unfalsifiable bullshit at the end of your statement is where you go wrong, whodatdere. If you were to find any good reason for the first amendment (regarding prayer in school), it would immediately go into the "perversion of man" category. Obviously this video is a testament to a negative result of prayer. If you are just going to categorize what is good or not by your own system, why even comment?
Arcexey 4 months ago
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@whodatdere The unfalsifiable bullshit at the end of your statement is where you go wrong, whodatdere. If you were to find any good reason for the first amendment (regarding prayer in school), it would immediately go into the "perversion of man" category. Obviously this video is a testament to a negative result of prayer. If you are just going to categorize what is good or not by your own system, why even comment?
Arcexey 4 months ago
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@whodatdere The unfalsifiable bullshit at the end of your statement is where you go wrong, whodatdere. If you were to find any good reason for the first amendment (regarding prayer in school), it would immediately go into the "perversion of man" category. Obviously this video is a testament to a negative result of prayer. If you are just going to categorize what is good or not by your own system, why even comment?
Arcexey 4 months ago
Father Morris doesn't like Led Zeppelin, big surprise
Jellogel 5 months ago
A majority of people wanted to keep slaves. They oppressed a minority. Should we have gone with the popular vote on that topic?
Davin404 5 months ago 2
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If you're gonna follow a religion, at least RTFM.
Matthew 6: 5-6
“When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I tell you the truth, that is all the reward they will ever get. But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.
Demon666Evil 5 months ago
FUCKING DAMNIT. I KNEW THAT WAS AGAINST THE LAW AND THEY DID IT ANYWAYS AT MY MOTHER FUCKING SCHOOL. SON OF A FUCKING WHORE FACE.-.-
DiLeMaFabrications 5 months ago
Hey if these delusional fuck nuggets want to believe in a mystical sky daddy they can go celebrate the miracle of how they passed high school with their clearly failing logic in their own private gathering somewhere else. Don't do it in a fucking state funded school.
cra2ymofo 5 months ago
@Pooternackle5 youre just concerned with the enforcement of law? lol get a life
egeek10 5 months ago
THIS FATHER .... IS A MORON
AD6043 5 months ago
His voice is so fucking annoying.
drjx93 6 months ago
Dear Fox news the majority of Americans want to legalize marijuana why do you have a problem with it? It should be recalled hypocrisy news
youbetzler 6 months ago
During the Holocaust, the Nazis were the majority. Does that mean they were right??
rockrulles3456 6 months ago
"The majority doesn't make it right. Just a whole lot of people wrong."
Wraithldr13 6 months ago
People with 'faith' are just morons, and the rest of us are done being polite about it. Kudos for the Valedictorian.
volvoamsel 6 months ago
The valedictorian should have enough respect to let the others have their prayer as long as no one is forcing him/her to take part.
larsattack 6 months ago
@larsattack Respect is a two way street. How about those students respecting him enough not to put their unnecessary religiosity out to where he is a captive audience to it?
TransitionalSpecies 6 months ago
@TransitionalSpecies What makes you think they weren't respectful of the valedictorian? They never said they forced him to take part and or listen to the prayer (in this video at least. I haven't personally researched this story). They didn't even force their own students to have the prayer. Of course it would be seen unnecessary to someone without faith. As would any foreign cultural trait would seem unnecessary. It doesn't mean they should be prohibited to do it.
larsattack 6 months ago
@larsattack I didn't say that they weren't. It would be the opposite to what is true every time I learn about these stories. Without exception the other students feel since they are the majority, they are free to impose their nonsense on others despite objections. They should be prohibited from doing it at the official graduation ceremony, though. What prevents them from doing it before, after, or silently during the ceremony?
TransitionalSpecies 6 months ago
@TransitionalSpecies But what you are not understanding is that no one is imposing anything on anyone. No one is forcing the valedictorian or any other athiest/agnostic in the auditorium to take part in their prayer unless simply over-hearing a prayer is of major offense to the non-believers. If you are religious you will want to thank your God for helping you make it to graduation so of course it makes sense to do it at the ceremony. You don't thank God when the meal is done and ready.
larsattack 6 months ago
@larsattack The last line was meant to be: You thank God when the meal is done and ready, not during preperation.
larsattack 6 months ago
@larsattack That's really too bad. The supreme court has ruled on this one and I think they actually got this one right. You can't do that in public school. Individual students can make the decision to give praise to their imaginary father figure in the sky, though. It adds nothing to subject others to that though.
TransitionalSpecies 6 months ago
This clearly shows she was smarter than the rest.
MrJohnnyrace 6 months ago
What a fucking dope. So what if they said a prayer? Did it break his leg? Did it pick his pocket?
smiledammit24 6 months ago
@smiledammit24 It isnt legal.
MrJohnnyrace 6 months ago
@MrJohnnyrace I think that's debatable... It's not an endorsement of religion. Also mind you the actual wording of the Constitution only refers to laws, not ceremonial events.
smiledammit24 6 months ago
typical christian response, let us do what we want and you can be forced to just sit there.....
BlueShreveport 6 months ago
I thought intelligent people where open minded?
njs811271 6 months ago
I'll try to answer the priests question--"why are people offended by the prayer". For myself, it's not so much the prayer itself (although I am generally offended by ignorant superstitious beliefs). It's the fact that it is forced upon a captive audience. And worse, I am offended by the realization that that many do not recognize my right to live without their ignorant, superstitious beliefs and would go much further if they could, in forcing those beliefs upon me and my children.
DandAinTac 6 months ago 2
@DandAinTac I couldn't have said it better myself, although I have made similar comments on other posts. It's a good job you and I live in a time and place when we can voice our opinions without fear. This has come after centuries of struggle against the bigotry and persecution of religion when it had the power to rule us. Now they no longer have that power here, they come to us with cap in hand and say "what is wrong with a prayer in school" but we have a right to hold them to account.
boc1953 6 months ago
@boc1953 Thank you! Instead of a "National Day of Prayer", I'd like to see a "National Day of Religious Skepticism" or perhaps a "National Day of Rejecting Dogma". Hell, I'd be perfectly happy with just a "National Day of Rational Thinking". Even none of the above would be okay. Every time the government endorses religion like this, it tip toes back into the time when religion was forced upon pain of torture and death, not just ostracism, and they have no right to expect us to forget that.
DandAinTac 6 months ago 7
@DandAinTac Yes! I couldn't agree more! You and I are definitely on the same page!
boc1953 6 months ago
Your faith should be a private relationship between you and god exercised only in public areas that have been designed for that porous eg churches etc. The churches are very quick to expel from their private schools children of homosexual parents. So they need to respect also that public state buildings are beyond their jurisdiction. The law of the country and the cannon law are not married.
elizdeu 6 months ago 14
@elizdeu just a minor point, its canon not cannon :). Although perhaps you intended that to be cannon due to their loud damaging barrages.
SciBishop 6 months ago
@SciBishop thank you for the precision
elizdeu 5 months ago
@elizdeu whatever I can do to aid a fellow free thinker. Besides I frankly was bored and figured I might as well spur on some weeks old post randomly...
SciBishop 5 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 I would like to have you know that the US is not even close to 300 years old. Depending on where you consider the beginning of the US it is from 222 years old to 235 years old. The socially accepted (in the US) date is based off of our Declaration of Independence being in 1776. Simple math, 2011 - 1776= 235, 65 years off from 300.
RegaCaska 7 months ago
@RegaCaska Unfortunately, most of the "pious" Americans love to claim that America began when the Puritans first landed even though they like to casually forget the Virginia colony was older and secular. Of course the Puritans in their goals had no intention of "birthing a nation".They only wanted their "City on the Hill" off on their own, since they felt soooo oppressed by the evils of sinful England (it's why they didn't go to Virginia first,in fact ironically they went to Denmark first).
SciBishop 5 months ago
@SciBishop Interesting. Much of that i was not aware of. In all the communities I've been in no-one has mentioned considering their landing as the beginning of the US. The federally accepted date would be the 4th of July seeing as it is a federal holiday celebrating when the Declaration of Independence was written and considered by all I know to be the separation from Great Britain and considering self-dependence. But I could also see other times such as those based off of the Constitution.
RegaCaska 5 months ago
Really is this what America has come America has been fine and good for 300 years and now all of u atheist step in the US is turning into a hell hole. God bless u all
GodisGreat44125 7 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 hell hole lol. Sorry atheism has been around far longer than judaism or christianity
iliveon 6 months ago
@iliveon you my friend are wrong god bless
GodisGreat44125 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 you wish I was wrong. Too bad judaism started 600 bc
iliveon 6 months ago
@iliveon prove it
GodisGreat44125 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 ark-of-salvation org/jews_in_diaspora.htm "This, of course, would make Zoroaster the "father of monotheism". But non-Zoroastrian academic scholars are firm in dating his ministry at about 600 BC, because the Zoroastrian scriptures themselves contain a reference to Alexander the Great..."
iliveon 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 bandoli.no/archaeology.htm
There are tree different traditions when it comes to dating the Old Testament (OT): the “traditionalists” who believe OT came into being about around 1000 BC, the “moderate” who think OT emerged around 600 BC and the “minimalists” who think OT is a Hellenistic work which must have been produced after 330 BC.
iliveon 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 The oldest known biblical texts are the Qumran scrolls, carbon dated to between 240 BC and 100 AD. The Qumran scrolls are actually not originals but just copies of copies. The Qumran scrolls include some texts (30 %) from the Hebrew bible, but only parts of Isaiah from the Christian Bible.
bandoli.no/archaeology.htm
iliveon 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 "According to Biblical chronology the forefather Abraham lived around 1800 BC, and the Exodus happened around 1250 BC. Abraham is in the Bible riding his camel, even though this animal was not domesticated in this area until 1000 BC? And how could the Jews in Genesis chapter 42 pay for their seeds with coins when the oldest known coins are from the seventh century BC in Asia Minor?"
bandoli.no/archaeology.htm
iliveon 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 "The Yahweh religion as a monotheistic religion can really be dated no earlier than the prophetic revolution."
The Birth and Evolution of Judaism:
The Prophetic Revolution
(~800-600 BC)
jewishvirtuallibrary org/jsource/Judaism/Prophetic.html
From a JEWISH history site. I proved it. Now what?
iliveon 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125
The Hebrews are the first people to develop the idea of one god
At first the Hebrew god, Yahweh or Jehovah, remains one god among many (though the only god deserving worship). This halfway house towards monotheism is described technically as monolatry. But by the time the Hebrews are established in Jerusalem, from about 1000 BC, Yahweh is recognized as the only god.
This one says 1,000 BC. close enuf
historyworld net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?ParagraphID=bdk#ixzz1UTjl3eA4
iliveon 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 Monotraly- Monolatrism or monolatry (Greek: μόνος (monos) = single, and λατρεία (latreia) = worship) is the recognition of the existence of many gods, but with the consistent worship of only one deity
And that is how Yahweh started. By being one of the many, then becoming one (by PEOPLE)
iliveon 6 months ago
@iliveon why to copy and paste
GodisGreat44125 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 To show you that indeed your religion had a beginning, and it spawned from polytheism, then monolatry, then monotheism. You did ask for proof..
iliveon 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 atheism has been around longer than christianity, judaism, or any other religion. other animals prove it.
iliveon 6 months ago
@iliveon how do other animals prove atheism been around before christianity or other religions.
GodisGreat44125 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 because we are animals, smart ones at that, but all of the other animals prove that there isn't a god to worship. We are the only ones attempting to reach the divine, it is because we are intelligent and capable of asking "why" When really, it is just reality
iliveon 6 months ago
@iliveon we are not animals we are humans. because god made us different from all of the other speices on the earth. that is why we are smarter. and if really believe we came from monkeys you my friend are a wicked fool.
GodisGreat44125 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 haha you are so wrong and you are a wicked fool. You believe in that superstitious nonsense. You heathen.
iliveon 6 months ago
@iliveon let me ask you a question were did we come from then?
GodisGreat44125 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125
I hate to inform you, well; lets be honest. I love to inform you that you are wrong! Humans actually share 96% of the same DNA a chimps! Dose that make a chimp only 4% animal? No. Why, because Humans are animals. Having intelligence dose not exclude us from the animal kingdom.
darkseed1010 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125
“god made us different from all of the other speices on the earth. that is why we are smarter.” You are wrong again! There are two theories on why Humans developed our intelligence. The first is we needed our intelligence to fight off predators. Think about it, you would lose in a fight with a lion, unless you were able to fashion a weapon. Our lack of built in weapons pushed us to be smarter. The less intelligent couldn’t build a spear and smarted could.
darkseed1010 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125
The second theory is we developed intelligence as a sexual display. I don’t agree with that theory but it holds more water than God. Oh, and by the way its spelled “species.”
darkseed1010 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125
“let me ask you a question were did we come from then?” Well your question is very vague. Are you asking “What did Humans evolve from?” The answer to that is chimpanzee. If you are asking “Where did the animal that Humans evolved from, evolve from?” The answer to that is Plesiadapis I think but I could be mistaken. Clarify this and I can give you a better answer or at least try.
darkseed1010 6 months ago
@darkseed1010 we did not evolve from chimpanzees.. we evolved from homo erectus. chimpanzees are our closest cousin species
iliveon 6 months ago
@iliveon
I stand corrected. Thank you!
darkseed1010 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 not from your false idol god
iliveon 6 months ago
@iliveon ok thats what u think. but were u do u think we came from.
GodisGreat44125 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 We came from ultimatlely self-replicating proteins.
atheistram 6 months ago
@atheistram were did those proteins come from then
GodisGreat44125 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 amino acids.
atheistram 6 months ago
@atheistram were did those amino acids come form then
GodisGreat44125 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 From non-living materials.
atheistram 6 months ago
@atheistram then were did those non- living materials come from
GodisGreat44125 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 From the accretion discs.
atheistram 6 months ago
@atheistram where did those come from
GodisGreat44125 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 From Stardust. Look if you're trying to get back to what caused the Big Bang, no scientist knows... and neither do you.
atheistram 6 months ago
@atheistram yes i do god made the universe. well it was nice taking to you. god bless
GodisGreat44125 6 months ago
@GodisGreat44125 You THINK you know. You don't actually know.
Evidence that God made the universe, please? And nothing about how the Big Bang is impossible or anything like that. Just evidence for your viewpoint.
atheistram 5 months ago
@atheistram well i do know god made the universe. im 110% positive.
GodisGreat44125 5 months ago