THE CIA, THE TRAVEL AGENTS AND TORTURE TOURISM

[stanley03061973]

look at might sight im being tortured

[bvongrabe]

say again ?

[LisaAv0n]

whose this herr gerrman guy?

he sounds like colonel klink? ;)

why is a foreigner commenting on US matters?

[bvongrabe]

Sounds like Xenophobia to me.

As to my German accent, I have an accent wherever I go, in Italy, Spain, French or Switzerland. If this is a consolation to you, I came here on a little known sistership to the Mayflower, called the Hindenburg. That was LONG before you were born. - Finally, el-Masri was a German citizen when he was kidnapped and tortured in Bagram. Interestingly, he cannot get compensation for his loss: state secrets!

[bvongrabe]

Oh, and el-Masri lost EVERYTHING. Since no remedy is available for ANY vistim befire U.S. Courts I filed a criminal complaint against Bush, Cheney et al before the International Criminal Court in the Hague which accepted my complaint and gave the evidence to Spanish Investigative Judge Garcon who promptly added Cheney as defendant. Sorry, had to do that since you don't do ANYthing. Torturing foreigners is NOT a U.S. matter.

[LisaAv0n]

ok wait...

ur trying to tell me that ur the guy in the vid? :D

hmmmmmmmm? ;)

[bvongrabe]

I am indeed :)

[TheloanWolf1]

Bottom line , They always have A answer for everything !

[Abuzete]

My husband is spetsnaz. Yes, I've seen them.

Nope never been locked up- I was shoved under a stairwell and beat by my own officers for NOT GOING ALONG WITH THE BUSHEVIK's COMPLICIT WAR.

Why question things you know nothing of?

[bvongrabe]

Becaus we don't torture people. Those who do should be in jail.

By the way, the International Criminal Court agreed, accepted my complaint, has forwarded the evidence to the Spanish Judge who investigated torture, who also agreed with me, and added Dick Cheney to the list of defendants.

You may have no problem with torture, I - and many here - have a helluva problem with it.

[Auggie56]

I have read the opposite in other investigations. Who really knows what goes on in locked rooms. Ask Danial Pearl if he agrees with the ban on water boarding.

[blupheonix44]

Didn't save his life. (Pearls)

Did it save any POW's lives?

[Auggie56]

Not the point. If water boarding does no harm. The use it.

My other point is that they out right executed Danial Pearl on camera.

It's war and we should do all we can to win. Not use meaningless laws, while the other side gets treated like guests at Club Med.

[Numinous123]

"Not the point. If water boarding does no harm. "

During WWII, people were executed for water boarding.

Also, people have died under questioning. The fact that you can't understand what torture is, or the fact that many of the people incarcerated were innocent.

[Abuzete]

Then you have been misinformed. If the military can throw their own people under a stairwell, hit, kick and sleep deprive them (myself)

I know what they did with criminals. I've seen photo's you won't find everywhere.

[Auggie56]

Ever see photos of the purges in Russia ?

Sounds like you were maybe locked up at one time. Why mead-ed out the alledged punishment ?

[Auggie56]

If it saves lives, then by god turn the screw on them.

[bvongrabe]

The reality is that those who were close to the Sheikh Mohamed investigation say that they did not get one single usable lead from him. Moreover, according to reports we released nearly 100 Guantanamo detainees without charging them, so obviously the torture didn't work. Finally, al-Qhatani will not be charged because his "confession" was obtained by torture. Trust me, there are other means to get the information without waterboarding.

[Numinous123]

"If it saves lives, then by god turn the screw on them."

It didn't save lives. If anything it created more people who hated America.

Also, it's been proven... PROVEN... that many of the people incarcerated gave false information because... get this... they were tortured.

The Bush plan of torturing people put American's at greater risk. It didn't lessen it.

Auggie.... I'm guessing you're a sociopath.

[Auggie56]

Sure about that ? Maybe your laboring under your own set of values. Maybe you have no experience on the subject. Maybe, no you did stoop to childish name calling. Go back to writing on bathroom walls little one.