i was interested about what you would get it you put "Mystery Babylon The Great, The Mother of Harlots and of the Filth of The Earth" from aramaic Peshitto through atbash. maybe you could try it :)
I would love for a Scholar to confirm for me. There's a lot of Articles stating the PISO/Flavius family wrote the NT, using a coptic numbering, because they were Descendants of King Herod, & his father which were Edomite & Greek.They apparently had the Jewish writings through Herods priests & invented the messiah, & forced Jews to write their Greek versions in Hebrew. as well as these same people were revolting against Rome. Josephus & pliny were brothers & the authors of NT. Is this true
@MistyMarie1970 These Articles state Josephus and pliny the younger were Piso flavius, Family members from King Herod's side.they created Christianity as an attack on Rome. I totally believed every word in the bible until i seen these articles, which show the astrocrats as the Deciples (12 ceasers) which were involved in the stabbing of Julius ceaser who was friendly with the Jews. I would like to know if this has been investigated as these articles seem to point to evidence.
Contractions are part of colloquial speech, but aren't the whole. Contractions can be found in more formal speech/writing,e.g. "I'm" in a business email. Other contractions may be colloquial & informal e.g. y'all, ain't. I learnt English contractions when I was learning it(French is my first language), and yet I didn't speak it. Also, just because the coins are in Hebrew, doesn't mean they spoke it, e.g. in Canada/US parts of our coins are in Latin. I don't disagree with point but the argument.
@phreakazoas You bring up some very good arguments, but while these contractions are used in our writing today, and we use Latin on our coins today, is there evidence that the same things occurred in Ancient times, not that I have seen so far.
So in your view, did most Jews living outside of Palestine in the 1st Cent. C.E. still know how to speak Hebrew? I realize that Hebrew was still a living language in Palestine, but do not most scholars seem to suggest that the Septuagint was originally undertaken for Greek-speaking Jews outside of Palestine who no longer could speak Hebrew?
@mrd6376 Historically, Jews who remain orthodox in their view of Torah have always retained the Hebrew language, even to this day. But there are the non-Orthodox Jews, who still study Torah, but do not retain the Hebrew language. I am sure this was the case in the first century and the reason for the LXX.
@mrd6376 I read an anthropology of the Eastern European Jews in the era before WWI, & throughout Eastern Europe the Jews were sending their young sons to Hebrew school. Yiddish or any other lang. was considered profane when it came to the Torah. And in their synagogues they had someone to read the Hebrew scroll. So obviously Hebrew was a tradition that was passed on to Jews from 1 generation to the next even when exiled throughout the world. Like the Passover, it was something they maintained.
So let's see if I understand this clearly: Basically what you are saying is that when Paul and other NT writers penned a letter in Hebrew, they would send it to Hebrew-speaking overseers and those overseers would read the letter in the local language that the congregation would understand....Is this what was going on?
@mrd6376 First of all, I believe that most of the people in the Synagogue spoke Hebrew. There may have been a few non-Hebrew speakers, and it would have been translated for them.
wait a minute, doesn't Jesus was speaking Aramaic language in the time of "Israel" role by Roman Emp.? How did they write down hebrews language instead of Aramaic language? I get confused.
But I do bet that only "Rabbi & Scripts" do know the text.
@melbourneopera The Jews spoke Hebrew in Israel at the time of Jesus, but also Aramaic. It is highly doubtful that many of them even knew Greek as Josephus tells us that the Jews discouraged learning anything Greek.
On a different note, if there is so much evidence that Hebrew was still a popular language in 1st cent Palestine, then why do you think so many scholars still claim that aramaic was the language Jesus and his disciples spoke? Was it perhaps a very aramaic-influenced form of Hebrew?
@mrd6376 I deal with this on my website, go to my home page, scroll down to "New Testament" on the left site and click on Semitic origins, then click on Hebrew in the 1st Century.
I read somewhere that the fragments range from 2nd cent B.C.E to well after the 1st cent C.E.. So even after substitutes began to be used, apparently some copies still used YHWH in either Hebrew or Greek letters. What remains to be discovered is a NT greek document w/ YHWH. That may or may not ever happened, but I'm still convinced that the originals would have some form of YHWH, at least when quoting the Hebrew text.
@mrd6376 I agree, the original LXX, written by Jews, would have used יהוה, and probably in the paleo Hebrew script such as we see in the Job fragment.
But didn't the LXX during this time (1st cent), at least according to some of the oldest fragments available, still contain the tetragram? My thought is that in the late 1st/early 2nd century a then largely gentile church probably did not share the same enthusiasm for the "Jewish" name of God, preferring substitutes that would appeal to a largely gentile/hellenized population. It could have been some other reason, just food for thought........
@mrd6376 Actually, you are right, I forgot about that. Very old fragments of the LXX did have the יהוה in paleo Hebrew. Now I'm stumped LOL. When did the יהוה get replaced with the kyrios?
Yes, I believe that too. I just wonder why the copyists (apparently at a rather early point) decided to go to such lenghts to replace the name with Kyrios/Theos.
@mrd6376 That is a good question and I was thinking about this other day. If the New Testament was translated into Greek by Jewish scribes, which I believe it was, they would use the Greek words kyrios and theos just as they did in the LXX.
Interesting. Regardless of the original language the NT was written in, do you believe that the NT writers used some form of the Tetragram, or do you think that they used only surrogates/nomina sacra?
Even if you were to establish that all these Greek text were originally penned in Hebrew at some point, it still doesn't erase the inconsistencies with Tanach, not to mention the different genealogies of jesus, and the fact that he claims John is EliYah.
You make a good case for Matthew and Hebrews as having been written in Hebrew, but do you believe that the ENTIRE NT was originally in Hebrew? Is there any internal/external evidence for a Hebrew Romans or Galatians, for example?
@mrd6376 Yes, there is evidence that the entire NT was originally written in Hebrew and one day I hope to do a video on that as well. Manu assume that Paul's letters were written to Greeks who would not know Hebrew. However, this is not the case, the Greek word translated as "Greek" is Hellenisti which means "Hellenized Jew," a Jew (who would speak Hebrew) who had adopted some aspects of Greek culture and thought.
I instinctively believed the NT was atleast aramaic because the hebraic nature of the teaching demands it logically. What you show hear is awesome. A totally confirmation of my belief. I have said for years in my teaching if you can't build your theology out of the OT you shouldn't be teaching out of the NT.
Acts 21:40 Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue.Acts 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence..)
Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a [Christ's] voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Acts 21:37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?
Would the chief captain need to ask this if Greek was as universal in Jerusalem or Israel as we suppose?
Paul of course goes on to speak Hebrew to the various Jews joined in Jerusalem as shown above. Would he do this if Hebrew wasn't well understood among Israelites? or am I missing something?
The coin example is not the most persuasive, even today we have Latin on our money "e pluribus unam" "novus ordo secula.."
There is much archaelogical evidence for Jews using Greek as their normal language too, even for their tombs in places. Also the LXX. The Hebrew manuscripts of everyday tasks is more convincing, though not proof necessarily.
The Only books the Church Fathers said were in "Hebrew" or "aramaic" were MAtthew's "logoi" of Jesus, and Hebrews. Papias lived til AD105 not 150
I think I mention this in the video, but just in case I didn't. It is a known fact that any new breakthroughs in Biblical archeology takes about 50 years to become mainstream knowledge in America. Over the past few decades it has become common knowledge in Israel that hebrew was the language of the Jews up until the Byzantine period. This means that it will be a few more decades before this becomes mainstream knowledge in America.
well Jeff what do you think of the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew by George Howard. I heard his Matthew Gospel was made from many manuscripts. Do you think its trustworthy?
Howard uses the Shem Tov Matthew for the Hebrew text, but includes footnotes for variations found in 8 other Hebrew manuscripts. Yes, I do believe it is trustworthy, but this doesn't mean that I think it is 100% accurate. It is trustworthy as a 14th century Hebrew version of the original. I do believe that it is a copy of a copy of a copy of a etc. of an original Hebrew manuscript.
You said that we would write our daily task in our own native language, and that we wouldn't want to write it in another language. But even though Hebrew wasn't the native language of many Jews in the diaspora, they still wrote different things in Hebrew and studied bible in Hebrew. Couldn't writing recipes and tasks and stuff can be considered the same? Americans don't have a religious language like Muslims, Jews, and other various religions do.
The point is that in the diaspora Hebrew existed only as a language of religious study. The language of the day to day business becomes your foundation to your world view (philosophy). I will be doing a video on this very subject in my "A History of Hebrew" series as this is a very important issue.
great videos I learned alot. I think a really big proof for the Semitic NT would simply be found in Matthew 27:46 because Yeshua is speaking Hebrew. Its pretty obvious anyone in that type of pain and circumstance would only speak their native dialect. Then the scripture goes on to say some heard him and thought he was talking about Eliyahu who has a Hebrew name; so they understood Hebrew which was alive and well during that time.
Hello Jeff, I just love the way you present your lectures; you make the context in which Hebrew is written attractive and easy to be understood :-). You strike me as a ppl's person and are blessed with an accessible communication style. Shalom & Yah Bless
Well, I am certainly a beginning student, so it is somewhat presumptuous of me to fly off trying to teach Hebrew already, but I do need to pick it back up. I shall be purchasing your texts with my next payday also. I browsed the bookstore and it is absolutely TERRIFIC! ARGH! Yer gonna cost me lots of money mi amigo! LOL! Well spent money atthat.
it's in Revelation 17: 5, btw
urLovedbyGod 2 weeks ago
@ancienthebreworg
i was interested about what you would get it you put "Mystery Babylon The Great, The Mother of Harlots and of the Filth of The Earth" from aramaic Peshitto through atbash. maybe you could try it :)
urLovedbyGod 2 weeks ago
I would love for a Scholar to confirm for me. There's a lot of Articles stating the PISO/Flavius family wrote the NT, using a coptic numbering, because they were Descendants of King Herod, & his father which were Edomite & Greek.They apparently had the Jewish writings through Herods priests & invented the messiah, & forced Jews to write their Greek versions in Hebrew. as well as these same people were revolting against Rome. Josephus & pliny were brothers & the authors of NT. Is this true
MistyMarie1970 3 weeks ago
@MistyMarie1970 These Articles state Josephus and pliny the younger were Piso flavius, Family members from King Herod's side.they created Christianity as an attack on Rome. I totally believed every word in the bible until i seen these articles, which show the astrocrats as the Deciples (12 ceasers) which were involved in the stabbing of Julius ceaser who was friendly with the Jews. I would like to know if this has been investigated as these articles seem to point to evidence.
MistyMarie1970 3 weeks ago
biblical archeology is loaded with fraud, period.
albertsneijMD 6 months ago
Contractions are part of colloquial speech, but aren't the whole. Contractions can be found in more formal speech/writing,e.g. "I'm" in a business email. Other contractions may be colloquial & informal e.g. y'all, ain't. I learnt English contractions when I was learning it(French is my first language), and yet I didn't speak it. Also, just because the coins are in Hebrew, doesn't mean they spoke it, e.g. in Canada/US parts of our coins are in Latin. I don't disagree with point but the argument.
phreakazoas 7 months ago
@phreakazoas You bring up some very good arguments, but while these contractions are used in our writing today, and we use Latin on our coins today, is there evidence that the same things occurred in Ancient times, not that I have seen so far.
ancienthebreworg 7 months ago
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MrViTopol 8 months ago
The best way to make some one believe a lie, attache it to the TRUTH. We were warned by GOD. Read DANIEL 12. Christ is a LIE.
bbadweb 10 months ago
So in your view, did most Jews living outside of Palestine in the 1st Cent. C.E. still know how to speak Hebrew? I realize that Hebrew was still a living language in Palestine, but do not most scholars seem to suggest that the Septuagint was originally undertaken for Greek-speaking Jews outside of Palestine who no longer could speak Hebrew?
mrd6376 11 months ago
@mrd6376 Historically, Jews who remain orthodox in their view of Torah have always retained the Hebrew language, even to this day. But there are the non-Orthodox Jews, who still study Torah, but do not retain the Hebrew language. I am sure this was the case in the first century and the reason for the LXX.
ancienthebreworg 11 months ago
@mrd6376 I read an anthropology of the Eastern European Jews in the era before WWI, & throughout Eastern Europe the Jews were sending their young sons to Hebrew school. Yiddish or any other lang. was considered profane when it came to the Torah. And in their synagogues they had someone to read the Hebrew scroll. So obviously Hebrew was a tradition that was passed on to Jews from 1 generation to the next even when exiled throughout the world. Like the Passover, it was something they maintained.
paisleyyama 1 month ago
So let's see if I understand this clearly: Basically what you are saying is that when Paul and other NT writers penned a letter in Hebrew, they would send it to Hebrew-speaking overseers and those overseers would read the letter in the local language that the congregation would understand....Is this what was going on?
mrd6376 1 year ago
@mrd6376 First of all, I believe that most of the people in the Synagogue spoke Hebrew. There may have been a few non-Hebrew speakers, and it would have been translated for them.
ancienthebreworg 11 months ago
If you're Christian, don't worry. The Greek translation of the New Testament was divinely inspired, even if it wasn't the first edition.
LVCIVSTVLLIVSATELLVS 1 year ago
@LVCIVSTVLLIVSATELLVS What evidence do you use to support your opinion that the Greek is the inspired word of God?
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
@ancienthebreworg that depends on if you are Greek, and if you believed in the Greek Gods and Goddesses.
Religion(s) is partial and political.
albertsneijMD 6 months ago
wait a minute, doesn't Jesus was speaking Aramaic language in the time of "Israel" role by Roman Emp.? How did they write down hebrews language instead of Aramaic language? I get confused.
But I do bet that only "Rabbi & Scripts" do know the text.
melbourneopera 1 year ago
@melbourneopera The Jews spoke Hebrew in Israel at the time of Jesus, but also Aramaic. It is highly doubtful that many of them even knew Greek as Josephus tells us that the Jews discouraged learning anything Greek.
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago 6
@melbourneopera
aramaic hebrew and arabic are so close to eachothers
and it was not langauges they all were semitic dilects
arabiannight100 1 year ago
This month's Biblical Archaeology magazine has a feature on the Nash Papyrus.
LovingScrubbies 1 year ago
Dude, I love your videos. :) How do you type in Hebrew?
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
?אתה יודע מה פרוש הבטוי תחינת מים
SilverRedIndigo 1 year ago
@SilverRedIndigo שלום - אני לא יודע המילה הבטוי, עברית מודרנית שלי לא טוב, תודה
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
On a different note, if there is so much evidence that Hebrew was still a popular language in 1st cent Palestine, then why do you think so many scholars still claim that aramaic was the language Jesus and his disciples spoke? Was it perhaps a very aramaic-influenced form of Hebrew?
mrd6376 1 year ago
@mrd6376 I deal with this on my website, go to my home page, scroll down to "New Testament" on the left site and click on Semitic origins, then click on Hebrew in the 1st Century.
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
I read somewhere that the fragments range from 2nd cent B.C.E to well after the 1st cent C.E.. So even after substitutes began to be used, apparently some copies still used YHWH in either Hebrew or Greek letters. What remains to be discovered is a NT greek document w/ YHWH. That may or may not ever happened, but I'm still convinced that the originals would have some form of YHWH, at least when quoting the Hebrew text.
mrd6376 1 year ago
@mrd6376 I agree, the original LXX, written by Jews, would have used יהוה, and probably in the paleo Hebrew script such as we see in the Job fragment.
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
But didn't the LXX during this time (1st cent), at least according to some of the oldest fragments available, still contain the tetragram? My thought is that in the late 1st/early 2nd century a then largely gentile church probably did not share the same enthusiasm for the "Jewish" name of God, preferring substitutes that would appeal to a largely gentile/hellenized population. It could have been some other reason, just food for thought........
mrd6376 1 year ago
@mrd6376 Actually, you are right, I forgot about that. Very old fragments of the LXX did have the יהוה in paleo Hebrew. Now I'm stumped LOL. When did the יהוה get replaced with the kyrios?
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
good work you seem to know your hebrew
modernrocks 1 year ago
@modernrocks Thanks modernrocks :-)
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
Yes, I believe that too. I just wonder why the copyists (apparently at a rather early point) decided to go to such lenghts to replace the name with Kyrios/Theos.
mrd6376 1 year ago
@mrd6376 That is a good question and I was thinking about this other day. If the New Testament was translated into Greek by Jewish scribes, which I believe it was, they would use the Greek words kyrios and theos just as they did in the LXX.
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
Interesting. Regardless of the original language the NT was written in, do you believe that the NT writers used some form of the Tetragram, or do you think that they used only surrogates/nomina sacra?
mrd6376 1 year ago
@mrd6376 I believe that they used the name itself when speaking and when it was originally written they used the Tetragramaton.
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
If anything it goes to prove that there were Jews who disobeyed God, and learned the way of the Greeks, and turned to follow after their gods;
And ultimately write scrolls/books trying to give their new found god, meaning in the religion from which they came.
This takes place even today;
How many religions do you know of that have some roots in christianity, but differ both in literature, and beliefs;
Do they now establish truth in the context of christianity?
1daewoo888 1 year ago
Regardless if there is a surviving book of Mat in Hebrew; How about the rest; What of the other 196 Gospels?
I do not believe this establishes it as truth.
What about Isaiah 43:10-13, or
Deut. 11:27-28, and 4:15-19, and
Exodus 3:14-15.
Even if you were to establish that all these Greek text were originally penned in Hebrew at some point, it still doesn't erase the inconsistencies with Tanach, not to mention the different genealogies of jesus, and the fact that he claims John is EliYah.
1daewoo888 1 year ago
You make a good case for Matthew and Hebrews as having been written in Hebrew, but do you believe that the ENTIRE NT was originally in Hebrew? Is there any internal/external evidence for a Hebrew Romans or Galatians, for example?
mrd6376 1 year ago
@mrd6376 Yes, there is evidence that the entire NT was originally written in Hebrew and one day I hope to do a video on that as well. Manu assume that Paul's letters were written to Greeks who would not know Hebrew. However, this is not the case, the Greek word translated as "Greek" is Hellenisti which means "Hellenized Jew," a Jew (who would speak Hebrew) who had adopted some aspects of Greek culture and thought.
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
I instinctively believed the NT was atleast aramaic because the hebraic nature of the teaching demands it logically. What you show hear is awesome. A totally confirmation of my belief. I have said for years in my teaching if you can't build your theology out of the OT you shouldn't be teaching out of the NT.
Jemoh66 1 year ago
What ever language they spoke in Israel
at that time there might have been some very good reasons why they wrote the gospels directly in greek. This is how I find it.
04220H 1 year ago
Acts 21:40 Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue.Acts 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence..)
Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a [Christ's] voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
AllOtherNamesUsed 2 years ago
Exactly AllOther, it is so simple :-)
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
Acts 21:37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?
Would the chief captain need to ask this if Greek was as universal in Jerusalem or Israel as we suppose?
Paul of course goes on to speak Hebrew to the various Jews joined in Jerusalem as shown above. Would he do this if Hebrew wasn't well understood among Israelites? or am I missing something?
AllOtherNamesUsed 2 years ago
The coin example is not the most persuasive, even today we have Latin on our money "e pluribus unam" "novus ordo secula.."
There is much archaelogical evidence for Jews using Greek as their normal language too, even for their tombs in places. Also the LXX. The Hebrew manuscripts of everyday tasks is more convincing, though not proof necessarily.
The Only books the Church Fathers said were in "Hebrew" or "aramaic" were MAtthew's "logoi" of Jesus, and Hebrews. Papias lived til AD105 not 150
theruteger 2 years ago
I think I mention this in the video, but just in case I didn't. It is a known fact that any new breakthroughs in Biblical archeology takes about 50 years to become mainstream knowledge in America. Over the past few decades it has become common knowledge in Israel that hebrew was the language of the Jews up until the Byzantine period. This means that it will be a few more decades before this becomes mainstream knowledge in America.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
I guess i was wrong, it seems Papias could have lived as late as 150
theruteger 2 years ago
well Jeff what do you think of the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew by George Howard. I heard his Matthew Gospel was made from many manuscripts. Do you think its trustworthy?
Yirmeyahu23 2 years ago
Shalom Yirmeyahu:
Howard uses the Shem Tov Matthew for the Hebrew text, but includes footnotes for variations found in 8 other Hebrew manuscripts. Yes, I do believe it is trustworthy, but this doesn't mean that I think it is 100% accurate. It is trustworthy as a 14th century Hebrew version of the original. I do believe that it is a copy of a copy of a copy of a etc. of an original Hebrew manuscript.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
You said that we would write our daily task in our own native language, and that we wouldn't want to write it in another language. But even though Hebrew wasn't the native language of many Jews in the diaspora, they still wrote different things in Hebrew and studied bible in Hebrew. Couldn't writing recipes and tasks and stuff can be considered the same? Americans don't have a religious language like Muslims, Jews, and other various religions do.
zipcodeness 2 years ago
The point is that in the diaspora Hebrew existed only as a language of religious study. The language of the day to day business becomes your foundation to your world view (philosophy). I will be doing a video on this very subject in my "A History of Hebrew" series as this is a very important issue.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
great videos I learned alot. I think a really big proof for the Semitic NT would simply be found in Matthew 27:46 because Yeshua is speaking Hebrew. Its pretty obvious anyone in that type of pain and circumstance would only speak their native dialect. Then the scripture goes on to say some heard him and thought he was talking about Eliyahu who has a Hebrew name; so they understood Hebrew which was alive and well during that time.
Yirmeyahu23 2 years ago
Wow, excellent point, never thought of that before. Thank you very much for sharing that.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
Yirmeyahu23 comments reminded me of another connection. See Ps 22:1.
dunklaw 2 years ago
Hello Jeff, I just love the way you present your lectures; you make the context in which Hebrew is written attractive and easy to be understood :-). You strike me as a ppl's person and are blessed with an accessible communication style. Shalom & Yah Bless
deborahbetty58 2 years ago
Thank you deborah, I appreciate the encouragement. I love to study and teach and I like people, I guess that is a good combination.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
Thank you for refuting the Aramaic primacy theory. -Gabriel
Gabeedmann 2 years ago
I am enjoying your presentations Jeff. Being a student of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, I find your teaching and intelligence to be very encouraging.
TheBackyardProfessor 3 years ago
Thank you Professor, and I can say the same things about your instructional videos on Hebrew, just love'm.
ancienthebreworg 3 years ago
Well, I am certainly a beginning student, so it is somewhat presumptuous of me to fly off trying to teach Hebrew already, but I do need to pick it back up. I shall be purchasing your texts with my next payday also. I browsed the bookstore and it is absolutely TERRIFIC! ARGH! Yer gonna cost me lots of money mi amigo! LOL! Well spent money atthat.
TheBackyardProfessor 3 years ago
More important than who wrote the words is the meaning of the words and who practiced & developed the meaning of the words.
Thoukudides 3 years ago