Who on earth will attack you with oi-tsuki in a real fight?Nobody.All the Kata were designed for real self defence not for Karate vs Karate moves!Man sport karate sucks big time!!!
I would. It's a great self-defense technique that nobody but shotokan does and therefore are not prepared to defend against. It can easily be done from close in. Make the step as small as you want - the point is to have your body weight moving into the target.
I do agree that sport karate sucks and has killed the value karate has as self-defense. You can train for sport or you can train for self defense, but not both.
Acerwk - No joke. You think that kumite long range shit is the only way it's done - as do most shotokan people, unfortunately. Oi-zuki can be done from lapel-grasping distance or closer. With weight dropping, legs driving into the target and draw back hand pulling him into the punch, it happens very quickly and hits like a freight train.
im talking about the bunkai.defenses against oitsuki and only that!whera are the rela attacks?takedowns,low kicks with the shin,roundhouse punches etc
you see this kind of bunkai,to train only against oi tsuki a move that only karateka do is not gonna help you against real fight.and kata are designed against real life attacks,for self defenses not against punches only karateka do but against common street attacks
You asked who would do this. I told you who, why and how. i agreed that kata should not be karate vs karate and so these apps are not useful. What else do you want?
You have been going all over youtube that all shotokan is shit, but now you say only sport shotokan is shit. I guess that's getting somewhere, anyhow.
alla shotokan is shit because deosnt have in official material defenses against takedowns as grapplers do,low kicks with the shin and roundhouse punches.only ippon gohon kumite that sucks
@MeanEyedCats If you think this shit is the real deal then you are stupid.Im sorry for you.nobody will attack you with oi tsuki in the streets mate.I dont see applications to real life attacks.what waste of time
@acerwk Strawman. Followed by a false statement. So that makes you 4/5 on "Wrong", with the last one being filed under "correct, but strawman."
Pretty impressive record you're working on. Impressive indeed. Have you considered going pro? You could give Katherine Jefferts Schori a run for her money.
@acerwk Ahaha! You're going to have to work on your argument-forming skills first. I'd recommend a first year university philosophy course on formal logic, but if you don't have the prereq.s to get into a university, I'm sure you can find some easier stuff online if you look hard enough.
@MeanEyedCats Fisrt of all English is not my native language.Lets talk in Greek then or in Italiano.Is English the only language you speak?if yes then you must be stupid.PS.You didnt prove me where Im wrong faggot,sorry
@acerwk Lucky for you logic is not intrinsically related to the English language- there still may be hope for you. Take logic courses in Greek or Italian then. It would do you a world of good.
Polyglots are pretty cool, IMO. At least usually. Personally I'd love to learn Japanese. Also Latin, and Italian is right up there as well.
I'll give you a hint, just while we're still on the subject. Arguments must be valid and sound. Yours is neither. Go from there.
@acerwk Only if you can first rework your "points" (if you can even call them that) so as to remove all ad hominem, strawman, non sequitur, etc., fallacies, then arrange them in some sort of coherent manner with premises and conclusions (valid arguments). Finally, address the lack of soundness inherent within, although that would be partially my job too.
O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
@acerwk Oh come on- is a properly constructed argument too much to ask for? I bet someone as smart as your august person could do it in....... five minutes. Maybe I'm being too generous. Ten for sure. Remember: you need at least one premise, and at least one conclusion, and the conclusion must logically follow from the premise. If you really want to feel good about yourself, slap a Q.E.D. on at the end. It makes you feel like a real scholar.
@MeanEyedCats still cant prove anything mate?Talking talking talking and cant prove shit...hide behind all that talk if this make you feel good.but the truth deep inside is that you know Im right...sorry...
@acerwk Yea, good try. Again. You forgot the Q.E.D. at the end. Again.
I'm getting kinda bored with you. Actually, that's misleading. I was bored from the start. Now I'm bored and starting to feel like you're a waste of bandwidth.
@acerwk That would be out of turn. You made an ontologically positive claim, which means that the burden of proof rests (far) more heavily on you. You are required to present at least one logically sound argument which supports your claim. Remember: an argument requires at least one premise, and a conclusion which logically follows from the premise(s).
@MeanEyedCats stop the shit and answer like a man.well thats hard because you are a faggot but anyway.You think this video show you real life self defense?that you will attack like that in the streets?This is crap just like shotokan is.A style dont have in the official material drills and defenses against takedowns,low kicks with the shin,roundhouse punches and only focus in defenses against ONLY straight punches like oi-tsuki gyaku tsuki is waste of time.Period
@acerwk I said you were wrong. I never had a chance to tell you to what I was referring. If you had said "this video isn't a realistic depiction of a fight", then I would have agreed and said nothing.
@MeanEyedCats My dude, why are wasting time arguing with this guy? All he does is troll around every Shotokan vide he can find and talk smack like he is in a position to judge. But when someone asks him what or if he studies any art, he never responds. It's alright to have an opinion about something as long you explain it with some class dignity, which he never does. Please don't waste your time with cats like him. If Shotokan is working for you, then do your thing, and do it proudly. OSU!!
seems like the bunkai is getting out of hand in these tournaments. we're seeing more and more teams adding techniques that are clearly not in the kata--e.g., spinning back kick in this particular performance, just to give one example. or highly improbable throws, to give another.
he stuffed it up, at 3:10 the guy falls accidently, you can tell by the way his legs slip, thats unfortunate but i still think Egypt would have won regardless of the slip.
very nice rythm congratulations from gr!!!
goemon682 4 months ago
Lethal v impressive indeed
mechanix5 1 year ago
buy a gun if you want real self defense.. bwahahahaha
zhaorah 1 year ago
"karate isnt about killing each other" rephrased from manny pacquiao.. :)
zhaorah 1 year ago
@MeanEyed Cats - Really !?? You are still arguing with such a Powerfull brain ?!?!?! That guy is obviously something else... don't botter !!!
Great Video, Egypt is, and will be a Team to look out for over the next years.
Thanks for the Video
Sousamoz 1 year ago
yoko geri goss fine on this film i think^^
chanfall 1 year ago
good work. only not snap in the yoko geri keage .keep on pract. d.y. oss.
fredkarat 1 year ago
OSSS !!!!!
Kenichibushi 2 years ago
Excelente! Me enorgullece practicar este arte. Mi saludo y respeto a todos los que lo practican. Os..
oswaldopp 2 years ago
pfffff impresionante, me encanta
albertokarate1 2 years ago
??
the 2nd part is a repeat
boringgrass 2 years ago
Who on earth will attack you with oi-tsuki in a real fight?Nobody.All the Kata were designed for real self defence not for Karate vs Karate moves!Man sport karate sucks big time!!!
acerwk 2 years ago
I would. It's a great self-defense technique that nobody but shotokan does and therefore are not prepared to defend against. It can easily be done from close in. Make the step as small as you want - the point is to have your body weight moving into the target.
I do agree that sport karate sucks and has killed the value karate has as self-defense. You can train for sport or you can train for self defense, but not both.
ptboyindenver 2 years ago
you are jocking right?
acerwk 2 years ago
Acerwk - No joke. You think that kumite long range shit is the only way it's done - as do most shotokan people, unfortunately. Oi-zuki can be done from lapel-grasping distance or closer. With weight dropping, legs driving into the target and draw back hand pulling him into the punch, it happens very quickly and hits like a freight train.
Kihon = theoretic karate perfection
Kumite = karate vs karate
kata = karate vs everything else.
Yes, these apps suck.
Yes, oi-zuki is a good attack.
ptboyindenver 2 years ago
im talking about the bunkai.defenses against oitsuki and only that!whera are the rela attacks?takedowns,low kicks with the shin,roundhouse punches etc
acerwk 2 years ago
you see this kind of bunkai,to train only against oi tsuki a move that only karateka do is not gonna help you against real fight.and kata are designed against real life attacks,for self defenses not against punches only karateka do but against common street attacks
acerwk 2 years ago
You asked who would do this. I told you who, why and how. i agreed that kata should not be karate vs karate and so these apps are not useful. What else do you want?
You have been going all over youtube that all shotokan is shit, but now you say only sport shotokan is shit. I guess that's getting somewhere, anyhow.
ptboyindenver 2 years ago
alla shotokan is shit because deosnt have in official material defenses against takedowns as grapplers do,low kicks with the shin and roundhouse punches.only ippon gohon kumite that sucks
acerwk 2 years ago
@acerwk Wrong.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats Then you must be an amateur
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Wrong again. You're two for two, which is generally a good thing, but in this case it's just sad.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats Then you are just stupid..Im sorry mate
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Hey hey hey, three for three! What are you, some kind of savant? Please allow me to indulge in a derisive laugh at your expense.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats If you think this shit is the real deal then you are stupid.Im sorry for you.nobody will attack you with oi tsuki in the streets mate.I dont see applications to real life attacks.what waste of time
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Strawman. Followed by a false statement. So that makes you 4/5 on "Wrong", with the last one being filed under "correct, but strawman."
Pretty impressive record you're working on. Impressive indeed. Have you considered going pro? You could give Katherine Jefferts Schori a run for her money.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats false statement?prove Im wrong or shut up faggot
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Ahaha! You're going to have to work on your argument-forming skills first. I'd recommend a first year university philosophy course on formal logic, but if you don't have the prereq.s to get into a university, I'm sure you can find some easier stuff online if you look hard enough.
All the best.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats Fisrt of all English is not my native language.Lets talk in Greek then or in Italiano.Is English the only language you speak?if yes then you must be stupid.PS.You didnt prove me where Im wrong faggot,sorry
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Lucky for you logic is not intrinsically related to the English language- there still may be hope for you. Take logic courses in Greek or Italian then. It would do you a world of good.
Polyglots are pretty cool, IMO. At least usually. Personally I'd love to learn Japanese. Also Latin, and Italian is right up there as well.
I'll give you a hint, just while we're still on the subject. Arguments must be valid and sound. Yours is neither. Go from there.
All the best.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats Bla bla bla.You didnt prove anything faggot.
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk As the Melkites like to say, "May God grant you many joyful years." ^_^
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats Still cant prove nothing?give a try man
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Only if you can first rework your "points" (if you can even call them that) so as to remove all ad hominem, strawman, non sequitur, etc., fallacies, then arrange them in some sort of coherent manner with premises and conclusions (valid arguments). Finally, address the lack of soundness inherent within, although that would be partially my job too.
O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats You dont have answer.you cant prove nothing..Shotokan is shit period
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Rats, and I thought I was starting to get through to you. Oh well. I guess ignorance is a choice.
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Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum!
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats you cant prove Im wrong mate.I m sorry but you dont have answer.apla eisai ena poustraki tou eleous!
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Oh come on- is a properly constructed argument too much to ask for? I bet someone as smart as your august person could do it in....... five minutes. Maybe I'm being too generous. Ten for sure. Remember: you need at least one premise, and at least one conclusion, and the conclusion must logically follow from the premise. If you really want to feel good about yourself, slap a Q.E.D. on at the end. It makes you feel like a real scholar.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats still cant prove anything mate?Talking talking talking and cant prove shit...hide behind all that talk if this make you feel good.but the truth deep inside is that you know Im right...sorry...
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk You forgot the Q.E.D. at the end. Good try though.
Not really, but I'm hoping that by boosting your self-esteem you'll be motivated to try harder next time.
Cheers.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats still cant prove nothing?Well you did,you prove Im right!Sucker
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Yea, good try. Again. You forgot the Q.E.D. at the end. Again.
I'm getting kinda bored with you. Actually, that's misleading. I was bored from the start. Now I'm bored and starting to feel like you're a waste of bandwidth.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats Still cant prove nothing?Try again you cant be so stupid mate..Can you?Oh well....
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Wrong.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats Cant prove it mate.Sorry
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Wrong.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats Cant prove it faggot
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Wrong.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats Prove it
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk That would be out of turn. You made an ontologically positive claim, which means that the burden of proof rests (far) more heavily on you. You are required to present at least one logically sound argument which supports your claim. Remember: an argument requires at least one premise, and a conclusion which logically follows from the premise(s).
In other words, ball is in your court. God bless.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats stop the shit and answer like a man.well thats hard because you are a faggot but anyway.You think this video show you real life self defense?that you will attack like that in the streets?This is crap just like shotokan is.A style dont have in the official material drills and defenses against takedowns,low kicks with the shin,roundhouse punches and only focus in defenses against ONLY straight punches like oi-tsuki gyaku tsuki is waste of time.Period
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk When did I ever even come near implying that this video portrays realistic self defense? Please answer that.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats When you wrote under my comment that this isnt realistic that Im wrong'
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk I said you were wrong. I never had a chance to tell you to what I was referring. If you had said "this video isn't a realistic depiction of a fight", then I would have agreed and said nothing.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats you wrote under my comment what chance to tell and bla bla.It was crystal.
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Your (heretofore) solid English has failed you, my friend.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats right and your believes that this is for real will f@ck your life
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk You aren't even trying anymore. Come back when you can talk like a grown up.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats Keep believing that this is real and in the streets will attack you with oi-tsuki type of attacks.faggot
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Strawman arguments are considered a logical fallacy.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats you think this is for real and in the streets they will attack you with oi-tsuki.you are stupid,period
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Strawman. Learn what it means.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats dont take it back faggot.Yuo believe this is for real.you are stupid,period
acerwk 1 year ago
@acerwk Strawman. Fix it or I have nothing to say to you.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats My dude, why are wasting time arguing with this guy? All he does is troll around every Shotokan vide he can find and talk smack like he is in a position to judge. But when someone asks him what or if he studies any art, he never responds. It's alright to have an opinion about something as long you explain it with some class dignity, which he never does. Please don't waste your time with cats like him. If Shotokan is working for you, then do your thing, and do it proudly. OSU!!
deek77 1 year ago
@deek77 Just felt like I wanted the last word, to be honest with you. :D
It's like competing in a math contest against a six year old.
MeanEyedCats 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats LOL, yeah, I know what you mean.
deek77 1 year ago
@MeanEyedCats Prove it
acerwk 1 year ago
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seirDismo 2 years ago
hi karadota
my name is ahmed el-nagdy from egypt
do you have more karate video about egypt
thank you
nagdy83 3 years ago
seems like the bunkai is getting out of hand in these tournaments. we're seeing more and more teams adding techniques that are clearly not in the kata--e.g., spinning back kick in this particular performance, just to give one example. or highly improbable throws, to give another.
Philmoscowitz 3 years ago 2
nelle tecniche c'è troppa scena. cercate di essere più realisti, si vede ke è tutto finto
liegerspeedy 3 years ago
I like it like that;-))
senseiince 3 years ago
se questa è la fututra nazionali...siamo messi male
ho cono sciuto atlenti estramente superiori ad erik torre ma dato che venivano fatte ingiustizie arbitrarie non gareggiano più...:-(
marcotoscano88 3 years ago
egypt would have won anyway even if italy did flop egypt's bumkai was unstoppable
samj633 3 years ago
bel kata...comunque sono capaci tutti a copiare...io sarei stato piu soddisfatto per una cosa fatta insieme con la mia squadra..
morettonehouse 4 years ago
ta3banen mola egyption team was awesome
hossam333 4 years ago
he stuffed it up, at 3:10 the guy falls accidently, you can tell by the way his legs slip, thats unfortunate but i still think Egypt would have won regardless of the slip.
dynamic53 4 years ago
Yeah i agree, they would have won regardless. The bunkai of the egypt team seemed to be more....uhhh....do-able.....and practical.
mogulkahn08 3 years ago
awesome videos!!! but i prefer the egypt team kata's
oscalung 4 years ago
Thank you..karadota!!
lucainternational 4 years ago