this is such bullshit. blacks have been doing this type of dance for centiuries capoiera , swing dance and tribal dances from africa ..potty ricans and whites copied the moves as they always copy black culture in music dance and dress. this video pisses me off.
No need to get emotional. I "play" Capoeira and "b-boy" as well. You ask the Capoeristas and the b-boys, they're not the same. You have to place the movement (b-boying) in the context of Hip Hop Culture (breakbeats). You cannot play Capoeira to b-boy breaks. Also, our so-called Latino or Puerto Rican brothers are black. White brothers like Mr. Freeze elevated his nature to vibe with the Black brothers. It's just a fact.
@8ringsofshaolin you have to give respect to the blacks for inventing breaking BUT if it was not for the puerto ricans it would have died into oblivion. they re-energised it and if it was not for them breaking would not have had the global exposure in the early 80s. there were bboys in pakistan, israel, the old yugoslavia, australia, etc. i am from the uk and we had white, pakistani, jamaican and chinese breakers in our crew - that covers all colours. and we got into it thanks to the nuyoricans
@8ringsofshaolin for me the puerto ricans of the early 80s had the style, the class and the excellence of execution in their moves that no one else had or has up to this date. i dont know what it is but they have it in abundance and it was because of them we got into breaking - they have the x factor. so u have to give credit where it is due. if they never reinvigorated the breaking scene we would not be talking about it now and it would have faded away once disco arrived.
My Friend, Capoeira was created in Brazil by slaves. IT is a mix of a African and natives indians movements. The Slaves were born in Africa, But Capoeira was born in Brazil. It's a brazilian martial art indeed ! Peace!
It's very curious because 200 years ago in Brazil the slaves created a kind of dance with the same moves used in the breakdance and later this dance became the martial art named Capoeira !!
actually no. Brazilians didn't invent Capoeira. Capoeira was invented in Africa. The slaves from Africa that were shipped to Brazil brought the martial art there. it looks like a dance so the slave owners would mistake they're fighting for dancing when they practiced it.
i spoke 2 trac @ tha redbull battle 2 weeks ago and boy did he bless me wit knowledge if u see him holla @ him cuz hes a kool ass dude plus hes 1 of tha master teachers of this shyt.
It would have been nice if they had a bonus interview with Spy in the DVD extras.I could imagine the stories he could tell back when he was feared in the bronx. If Trac 2 says he was the best breaker he had ever seen,Known as the man with 1000 moves...Wow! Just imagine if there was taped footage of him back then,the new generation has to show respect to these true "Godfathers".
Anyone remembers Crazy KId? 1980, Puertorican. To me he was the best b boy.. Black Cheo (Puertorican) best at Electro Boogie (poping and waving).. I just need to put out his name. they are problally dead who knows..
why are we still arguing over who created windmills? all that is answered in this whole documentary!!! there should be no ?'s on who created what on the comment boxes
all this talk about black and latinos...it doesn't mattter this is hip hop motherfuckers. HIP HOP , a open field of expression...so get out there and create !!
Go tell dat kool herc sh*t to da cocolos. I't's a source mag bull sh*t lie. Hip hop evolved from Brooklyn, Bronx and Harlem. From Boricuas and African Americans. Kool herc did not break dance or bomb or flow on da mic he was a dj dats it get over it Dah?
He did bomb, in the documentary The Freshest Kids they show a throw up he did in the Bronx, it was really simple, he write "Herc", that was he graffiti tag, I think it was from 1981 the footage, but they say that he been doing it since the '70s
There is no mastering. Everything had been basically already done back in the 80s with African Americans first, then Hispanics added their spice. The rest are just additions to the craft.
crazylegs did not event windmills. Further more Chino and brian and float where the best in da world. you guys are so full of shit. Brooklyn uprock and floor rock was first. See the history of uprock. they had the lee's bvd's and pumas before da BX. Y legs and none of these tv radio breakdancers eva go to funhouse and battle chino. oh cause they would have got burned.The expression yo B! is from Brooklyn. Hence da "B.Boy" Chino and brian r from da bx but they came from Brookly.
I always have this question, in planet bboys, someone said that bboy stands for beat boy, they both make sense though.And when did they start calling us bboys instead of breaker or break dancer? Sorry for being like a nerd for linguistic
Don't apologize for wanting to know your culture, it's all good. I think that the original name for the dancers was b-boys, but then in the 80's the media got a hold of our culture and rename us break dancers without asking no one about it. I heard this from Mr. Wiggles, he is one of the original Rock Steady Crew members, so now all we are doing is take back our name, not the one the media wanted to call us. Peace bro.
We're not called breakers because we do more then that. You can only call yourself a bboy if you can pop, lock, and break. If you can only break, you're a breaker. Likewise for popping and locking.
Break dance is a commercial term to make bboying sound more acceptable and marketable.
I disagree sir. The original b-boys did not lock or pop. They were breakers. Funk styles (locking, popping, hitting and boogie) were added later. Uprocking was added later as well. The original b-boys used to dress up and would go down on the floor and come back up without getting their clothes dirty. No backspins. Again, all that was added later. Just the facts. If you can do it all and be a b-boy, cool. But, don't take away from the b-boys who only break.
i am the true inventor of the back spin. i put crisco oil on the floor and my cousin spun me like wheel of fortune. everlasting spin crew! on the kitchen floor
Awesome video...reminds me of back in da days...I'm still reppin' the real old school hip hop culture...Props to all who appreciates true hip-hop. Peace.
Top rock at 00:29!!! Some of the illest I've ever seen. I'm feelin' that shit there. That is the epitome of B-boy!!! No one does that anymore. Who was that BTW?
Thanx man! Circa '75 sounds right. I've always heard of track 2 but never knew what he looked like. That's my idol for uprockin' right there. Dayummm!
You don't see a lot of blacks in America bboying like they used to and I think for several reasons. You had the introduction of crack in the 80's which hit a lot of inner city ghettos hard. This along with mass marketing helped deviate the hip-hop culture from an original artform that celebrated style, dance, and innovation to a culture centered around drugs and violence. This impacted black inner city youths the most. The Latino community picked up on were many blacks left off or just...
weren't being represented. Not saying blacks gave up bboying altogether, but much of the focus was redirected to the thug/gangsta aspects of the subculture on the rise during that era. And if you want to go further, you can even say that our neo-socialist media controllers wanted that aspect of the culture celebrated above a movement that had great potential as a social and political catalyst for change.
Now this sub-culture has mutated into an ugly troll that celebrates everything antithetical to life or style. Mostly with the influx of the southern influence hip-hop (or rap) is not innovative, everyone is bitting. The sound is has lost its rhythm, which initially was influenced by jazz, soul, and funk. Although we are saturated with party and dance anthems, its usually a childlike repetition of uninspiring lyrics whose major demographic consists of adolescents.
Most of the youth has accepted this mutilated art form as hip hop without question, and the propaganda is alway echoed from the next up and coming one hit wonder. It's original form is always kept alive by the old heads and people who can see past the brainwashed content on the radio. So this video is crucial in that aspect
That's some deep shit yo! You really hit the nail on the head. Good to have you on our side reppin' real hip-hop with real intelligence. Then again, most peeps who appreciate true hip-hop ARE intelligent, that's what drives them to appreciate it in the first place. Good stuff man. Thanx 4 the input.
@FreshD2007 sub culture of bboying or rap music, cause if you're talking about bboying, you should check you're nearest underground scene and check the music that's being spinned over there before making these statements.
I know that being puerto rican and black that they kept it real in this video. It's the media that broke up the B-Boys and the crews by only marketing the latinos instead of the blacks.
Thats a point but what really happened was that the puerto ricans started after the blacks, and the puerto ricans were like the new kids from the block, so every one was paying attention to them but anyways...We have to give the credit to the black and puerto ricans (I mean New yoricans)that started the b-boyz!!! Legends on the Hip-Hop culture
Some younger heads don't know this though. It was all love in Queens in the 80s. My crew had jamaicans, perivians, PRs, hatians, dominicans, and 1 white boy! LOL
Are you the white boy??? jejeje LOL I'm playing with you! But I like that Caribbean connection , jamaican, dominican, haitian, boricua(PR)... thats hip-hop love between brothers>>>Peace Out!
I was at that Lincoln Center joint in the summer of '81. It was incredible. That was a SERIOUS battle. I was about 14 or 15 and the energy had me hypnotized. They did not care about the cameras or the newspapers being there. It was about winning that battle period. Crazy Legs did his thing that day.
Crazy Legs kept it real by saying the Moreno style. Rock Steady Crew's moves were all by African Americans. I know for a fact that the Blacks that were in the Rock Steady Crew like: Frosty Freeze and Top Rock and Lil Crazy Legs did not get to be a part of the (New Rock Steady Crew) that got in videos and got to travel.
TRUE WORDS! Just like many white and black rock musicians don't know Blacks invented rock and roll, many Black and Latino B-boys don't know "b-boying" was a Black think first. Crazy Legs always gives props to them on the Rock Steady Anniversary each summer on WBAI 99.5 FM in NYC when he's on the Underground Railroad show with J Smooth
Micheal Holman only wanted Latinos to Break at his club. He chose The Floor Masters(latino only) crew to be on his tv show. He could have brought in the African Americans, but he didn't and he (micheal Holman) is black himself.
@ETERNALLYHANDSOME sorry to pee in your bonfire but nycb had 2 blacks in their crew so your point is null and void. this was the crew he handpicked and managed.
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lattinah312 3 months ago
Now this is the real spy he's speaking of. All the rest are toys.
BboyBlackout 6 months ago
peace la famille !!
cagool2fray 7 months ago
True headz fight for the presevation of HiP HoP, its the essence!
bboyJIZ1 9 months ago
dAYUM, FreshD2007 ur right on the money with that. U just put wrote exactly what I was thinking...
bboyJIZ1 9 months ago
this is such bullshit. blacks have been doing this type of dance for centiuries capoiera , swing dance and tribal dances from africa ..potty ricans and whites copied the moves as they always copy black culture in music dance and dress. this video pisses me off.
8ringsofshaolin 11 months ago
@8ringsofshaolin
No need to get emotional. I "play" Capoeira and "b-boy" as well. You ask the Capoeristas and the b-boys, they're not the same. You have to place the movement (b-boying) in the context of Hip Hop Culture (breakbeats). You cannot play Capoeira to b-boy breaks. Also, our so-called Latino or Puerto Rican brothers are black. White brothers like Mr. Freeze elevated his nature to vibe with the Black brothers. It's just a fact.
AtoneMuhammad 10 months ago
@8ringsofshaolin you have to give respect to the blacks for inventing breaking BUT if it was not for the puerto ricans it would have died into oblivion. they re-energised it and if it was not for them breaking would not have had the global exposure in the early 80s. there were bboys in pakistan, israel, the old yugoslavia, australia, etc. i am from the uk and we had white, pakistani, jamaican and chinese breakers in our crew - that covers all colours. and we got into it thanks to the nuyoricans
Jay1898 9 months ago
@8ringsofshaolin for me the puerto ricans of the early 80s had the style, the class and the excellence of execution in their moves that no one else had or has up to this date. i dont know what it is but they have it in abundance and it was because of them we got into breaking - they have the x factor. so u have to give credit where it is due. if they never reinvigorated the breaking scene we would not be talking about it now and it would have faded away once disco arrived.
Jay1898 9 months ago
bboy for life
realkef 1 year ago
yo eddie ed rockin at 0:28-0:30. i wonder who has the full clip of him rockin
spookynegro 1 year ago
My Friend, Capoeira was created in Brazil by slaves. IT is a mix of a African and natives indians movements. The Slaves were born in Africa, But Capoeira was born in Brazil. It's a brazilian martial art indeed ! Peace!
hilfrazao 1 year ago
It's very curious because 200 years ago in Brazil the slaves created a kind of dance with the same moves used in the breakdance and later this dance became the martial art named Capoeira !!
hilfrazao 2 years ago
actually no. Brazilians didn't invent Capoeira. Capoeira was invented in Africa. The slaves from Africa that were shipped to Brazil brought the martial art there. it looks like a dance so the slave owners would mistake they're fighting for dancing when they practiced it.
VIZION2040 2 years ago
@hilfrazao true, bboying does have a capoeira influence in it, which is a major influence, we thank brazil for its inspiring art
RenegadeKira23 1 year ago
before it was out in the open, it was in the underground. now and forever, its going to stay in the underground.
youngjedi08 2 years ago
i spoke 2 trac @ tha redbull battle 2 weeks ago and boy did he bless me wit knowledge if u see him holla @ him cuz hes a kool ass dude plus hes 1 of tha master teachers of this shyt.
spotville73 2 years ago
It would have been nice if they had a bonus interview with Spy in the DVD extras.I could imagine the stories he could tell back when he was feared in the bronx. If Trac 2 says he was the best breaker he had ever seen,Known as the man with 1000 moves...Wow! Just imagine if there was taped footage of him back then,the new generation has to show respect to these true "Godfathers".
funkman70 2 years ago
Finally a good documentary that tells the truth.
It was started by African Americans, than spread to the latinos, and then everyone else.
Good movie
zerohero35 2 years ago 2
a classic ! a perfect companion piece to "STYLE WARS" big ups to all the pioneers!!!
dfuzz1114 2 years ago
the thing is underground still happening now in NYC. from poppin, locking, house/house, breaking, - Apt , Sin Sin, Shelter, and Katra.
jologs21 2 years ago
nice video.
cool el video, quiero el dvd aaaaaaa lo quierooooo.
bless
eurix16 2 years ago
I luv this
babyp003 2 years ago
Anyone remembers Crazy KId? 1980, Puertorican. To me he was the best b boy.. Black Cheo (Puertorican) best at Electro Boogie (poping and waving).. I just need to put out his name. they are problally dead who knows..
rdecaserio 2 years ago
why are we still arguing over who created windmills? all that is answered in this whole documentary!!! there should be no ?'s on who created what on the comment boxes
trmble6 2 years ago
all this talk about black and latinos...it doesn't mattter this is hip hop motherfuckers. HIP HOP , a open field of expression...so get out there and create !!
zombietooth 2 years ago 2
Go tell dat kool herc sh*t to da cocolos. I't's a source mag bull sh*t lie. Hip hop evolved from Brooklyn, Bronx and Harlem. From Boricuas and African Americans. Kool herc did not break dance or bomb or flow on da mic he was a dj dats it get over it Dah?
bomberzwiz 2 years ago
He did bomb, in the documentary The Freshest Kids they show a throw up he did in the Bronx, it was really simple, he write "Herc", that was he graffiti tag, I think it was from 1981 the footage, but they say that he been doing it since the '70s
bboyvlade 2 years ago 3
Started out with African Americans, then spread to the Latino's, then everyone else.
zerohero35 2 years ago
so first the Blacks come out then the so call hispanics evolve things
then White bboys continue it & now we got the Asian mastering.this art.cool... must be a natural selection thing'
Goldskool 2 years ago
There is no mastering. Everything had been basically already done back in the 80s with African Americans first, then Hispanics added their spice. The rest are just additions to the craft.
zerohero35 2 years ago
@Goldskool
Natural selection?
thirdshift47 1 year ago
Thz,I am a bboy .And I know more of what I am doing.
hkbboykevin 2 years ago
frosty was nasty too.
springmasskid92 3 years ago
what i mean to say is that spy AKA the man with 1000 moves is my dad and i am proud of it
LeinAKAJAY1 3 years ago
Soooo lucky. Tell your dad I said, "Thank you," for his contribution to bboying culture.
DirrrtyVanillaRice 3 years ago 2
@LeinAKAJAY1 respect you and your dad because your the son of legend. thats real talk
kingojugo 1 year ago
Spy AKA the man with 1000 moves and i am proud of that
LeinAKAJAY1 3 years ago
this is the truth!
bboymug 3 years ago
heyy ur from now or never crew
bboycreepa 3 years ago
yep
bboymug 3 years ago
spy has got some fuckin clean footwork
kingojugo 3 years ago
@kingojugo He event most of the moves and footwork like 3, 4 and 6 steps.
willardrjb 1 year ago
disco killed rock and hiphop, lol. both of them grassroots culture.
maxten 3 years ago
crazylegs did not event windmills. Further more Chino and brian and float where the best in da world. you guys are so full of shit. Brooklyn uprock and floor rock was first. See the history of uprock. they had the lee's bvd's and pumas before da BX. Y legs and none of these tv radio breakdancers eva go to funhouse and battle chino. oh cause they would have got burned.The expression yo B! is from Brooklyn. Hence da "B.Boy" Chino and brian r from da bx but they came from Brookly.
yuccayequez 3 years ago
son chino wasnt that good. i think kenny in his prime couldve beaten him.
springmasskid92 3 years ago
I think that bboy stands for break boy, that's what Dj Kool Herc tells in this documentary. By the way, he is the inventor of hip hop.
bboyvlade 2 years ago
I always have this question, in planet bboys, someone said that bboy stands for beat boy, they both make sense though.And when did they start calling us bboys instead of breaker or break dancer? Sorry for being like a nerd for linguistic
colyheaven 2 years ago
Don't apologize for wanting to know your culture, it's all good. I think that the original name for the dancers was b-boys, but then in the 80's the media got a hold of our culture and rename us break dancers without asking no one about it. I heard this from Mr. Wiggles, he is one of the original Rock Steady Crew members, so now all we are doing is take back our name, not the one the media wanted to call us. Peace bro.
bboyvlade 2 years ago
Thanks bro, Peace!
colyheaven 2 years ago
We're not called breakers because we do more then that. You can only call yourself a bboy if you can pop, lock, and break. If you can only break, you're a breaker. Likewise for popping and locking.
Break dance is a commercial term to make bboying sound more acceptable and marketable.
sasansan1 2 years ago
@sasansan1
I disagree sir. The original b-boys did not lock or pop. They were breakers. Funk styles (locking, popping, hitting and boogie) were added later. Uprocking was added later as well. The original b-boys used to dress up and would go down on the floor and come back up without getting their clothes dirty. No backspins. Again, all that was added later. Just the facts. If you can do it all and be a b-boy, cool. But, don't take away from the b-boys who only break.
AtoneMuhammad 10 months ago
and look where hip hop is now
Glow955 3 years ago 5
great memories watching this, i miss those days and the breakers, keep real hip hop alive.. nice video :)
chinita41 3 years ago
i heard crazy legs and some other dude invented the windmill together
markesco 3 years ago
does anyone know the name of the track playing in the background? shit is hot.
Bizzlefrits 3 years ago
Yeah "The Man with a 1000 Moves" Kid is still clean.
mikecee907 3 years ago
do where can get footage of spy breakin
kingojugo 3 years ago
The Freshest Kids is the only known footage of Spy...
iamhiphopshows 3 years ago
i am the true inventor of the back spin. i put crisco oil on the floor and my cousin spun me like wheel of fortune. everlasting spin crew! on the kitchen floor
georgebrazil420 3 years ago
respect to the originators
kingojugo 3 years ago
Awesome video...reminds me of back in da days...I'm still reppin' the real old school hip hop culture...Props to all who appreciates true hip-hop. Peace.
GiselaNYC1 3 years ago 2
How can I get this video? Freshest Kids right?
Breaking Habits Crew (Arkansas)
BreakingHabitz 3 years ago
amazon - search for "the freshest kids."
iamhiphopshows 3 years ago
what a lot of people don't know is that jojo invented the backspin
javy125 3 years ago
Top rock at 00:29!!! Some of the illest I've ever seen. I'm feelin' that shit there. That is the epitome of B-boy!!! No one does that anymore. Who was that BTW?
accountsuck2 3 years ago
That's track 2 doin the uprock at 0.29 , this has to be around 1975
javy125 3 years ago
Thanx man! Circa '75 sounds right. I've always heard of track 2 but never knew what he looked like. That's my idol for uprockin' right there. Dayummm!
accountsuck2 3 years ago
You don't see a lot of blacks in America bboying like they used to and I think for several reasons. You had the introduction of crack in the 80's which hit a lot of inner city ghettos hard. This along with mass marketing helped deviate the hip-hop culture from an original artform that celebrated style, dance, and innovation to a culture centered around drugs and violence. This impacted black inner city youths the most. The Latino community picked up on were many blacks left off or just...
FreshD2007 3 years ago 6
weren't being represented. Not saying blacks gave up bboying altogether, but much of the focus was redirected to the thug/gangsta aspects of the subculture on the rise during that era. And if you want to go further, you can even say that our neo-socialist media controllers wanted that aspect of the culture celebrated above a movement that had great potential as a social and political catalyst for change.
FreshD2007 3 years ago 6
Now this sub-culture has mutated into an ugly troll that celebrates everything antithetical to life or style. Mostly with the influx of the southern influence hip-hop (or rap) is not innovative, everyone is bitting. The sound is has lost its rhythm, which initially was influenced by jazz, soul, and funk. Although we are saturated with party and dance anthems, its usually a childlike repetition of uninspiring lyrics whose major demographic consists of adolescents.
FreshD2007 3 years ago 19
Most of the youth has accepted this mutilated art form as hip hop without question, and the propaganda is alway echoed from the next up and coming one hit wonder. It's original form is always kept alive by the old heads and people who can see past the brainwashed content on the radio. So this video is crucial in that aspect
FreshD2007 3 years ago 20
That's some deep shit yo! You really hit the nail on the head. Good to have you on our side reppin' real hip-hop with real intelligence. Then again, most peeps who appreciate true hip-hop ARE intelligent, that's what drives them to appreciate it in the first place. Good stuff man. Thanx 4 the input.
accountsuck2 3 years ago 3
blame corporations.
georgebrazil420 3 years ago 2
@FreshD2007 sub culture of bboying or rap music, cause if you're talking about bboying, you should check you're nearest underground scene and check the music that's being spinned over there before making these statements.
smurk143 1 year ago
Spanish heads definitely invented windmills. Windmills were not really perfected until about late 1982.
zulubeat 3 years ago
Crazy Legs = Puertorican = Inventor of Windmill
leoris87 3 years ago
Frosty Freeze & Crazy Legs got that original style of B-Boy'n
theskavenjas 3 years ago
Crazy Legs style is sick. Frosty Freeze is sick too.
theskavenjas 3 years ago
Blacks and Puertoricans (Boricuas) are always united... Hip-Hop 4 life
CantyFly 4 years ago
I know that being puerto rican and black that they kept it real in this video. It's the media that broke up the B-Boys and the crews by only marketing the latinos instead of the blacks.
ETERNALLYHANDSOME 4 years ago
Thats a point but what really happened was that the puerto ricans started after the blacks, and the puerto ricans were like the new kids from the block, so every one was paying attention to them but anyways...We have to give the credit to the black and puerto ricans (I mean New yoricans)that started the b-boyz!!! Legends on the Hip-Hop culture
CantyFly 3 years ago
Some younger heads don't know this though. It was all love in Queens in the 80s. My crew had jamaicans, perivians, PRs, hatians, dominicans, and 1 white boy! LOL
zulubeat 3 years ago
Are you the white boy??? jejeje LOL I'm playing with you! But I like that Caribbean connection , jamaican, dominican, haitian, boricua(PR)... thats hip-hop love between brothers>>>Peace Out!
CantyFly 3 years ago 2
I was at that Lincoln Center joint in the summer of '81. It was incredible. That was a SERIOUS battle. I was about 14 or 15 and the energy had me hypnotized. They did not care about the cameras or the newspapers being there. It was about winning that battle period. Crazy Legs did his thing that day.
zulubeat 4 years ago
Crazy Legs kept it real by saying the Moreno style. Rock Steady Crew's moves were all by African Americans. I know for a fact that the Blacks that were in the Rock Steady Crew like: Frosty Freeze and Top Rock and Lil Crazy Legs did not get to be a part of the (New Rock Steady Crew) that got in videos and got to travel.
ETERNALLYHANDSOME 4 years ago 3
TRUE WORDS! Just like many white and black rock musicians don't know Blacks invented rock and roll, many Black and Latino B-boys don't know "b-boying" was a Black think first. Crazy Legs always gives props to them on the Rock Steady Anniversary each summer on WBAI 99.5 FM in NYC when he's on the Underground Railroad show with J Smooth
zulubeat 3 years ago
5 stars .Real hip hop right there !!
megadirt 4 years ago
Micheal Holman only wanted Latinos to Break at his club. He chose The Floor Masters(latino only) crew to be on his tv show. He could have brought in the African Americans, but he didn't and he (micheal Holman) is black himself.
ETERNALLYHANDSOME 4 years ago
He was host of Graffitti Rock right? 1984? We were snapping on him big time!! LOL
zulubeat 3 years ago
You might wanna check your facts on that one..
The NEW YORK CITY BREAKERS (from beat street) were the b boys on Graffiti Rock. They were black, white and latino.
Reverend RUN ripped shit on the mic and bitchwhippped a young Kool Moe Dee in the battle.
BlazeGreenwood 3 years ago
@ETERNALLYHANDSOME sorry to pee in your bonfire but nycb had 2 blacks in their crew so your point is null and void. this was the crew he handpicked and managed.
Jay1898 9 months ago