I hope you carry this as your personal defence firearm. You could just whip this out, and you can just point it at something, and bigass holes will appear - no need to pull the trigger. This pistol is that badass.
Its a stretch to compare this to a 45acp. Most manufactures make nothing less than 165 grain bullets for the .45acp. There are certainly loads that produce less than 390 pounds of energy... but there aren't any Colt Dragoon loads that will get you 475... 573... or even 700... all of which can be had in manufactured cartridges for the .45 acp. We handloaders even top that.
@trailor73 1 of 2 I was comparing the standard loads of each firearm; standard military loads. The .45 with standard ball ammo, which is roughly 329 foot-pounds, and the standard load (in 1847 with black powder) of 390 foot pounds. I’m aware both firearms can be increased significantly, including charges well over 600 foot-pounds for the Colt.
2 of 3 High quality modern manufactured Dragoon replicas I read have produced as much as 540 foot-pounds of energy with custom loads of 10 gr. FFFgcyl. full of Pyrodex P. I would have included the hotter load data, but after an individual reloading for his 91.30 recently attempted to place blame on me for the destruction of his rifle, (I had included load data in an earlier 91.30 video) I feel I have to stick with the standard load info to avoid another scenario like the recent one.
@trailor73 "The Walker Colt was quite powerful, with modern replicas firing modern FFFg black powder producing energy levels in excess of 500 foot pounds with both picket bullets and 0.454-inch-diameter (11.5 mm), 141-grain (9.1 g) round ball bullets. The black powder Walker Colt is regarded as the most powerful commercially manufactured repeating handgun from 1847 until the introduction of the .357 Magnum in 1935."
my uncle has a 2 brown bess muckets one is a flintlock one the other one has been changed to precaution caps. the flintlock one hase a date printed on it its something like 1734. and the precaution cap one is a navy pattern and that date is 1838
@52flipflop By the late 1850's combustible cartridges were available so that C&B revolvers could be loaded fairly rapidly. The combustible cartridge consisted of a paper powder envelope glued to the base of a conical bullet, and the entire unit was rammed into the chamber.
Takes about 2-3 minutes to load, cap and fire with my home-made combustibles. The 216 grain conical I use makes about 940 fps using original 23 gr charge levels of very-fine-grain black powder. A bit above 45 ACP power.
I read somewhere that the old black powder cartridges used to corrode the guns inner mechanisms really quickly. This was one of the reasons there was such a push to smokeless cartridges, right?
@Condeycon It was the mercury fulminate priming mixture in original percussion caps and primers that was so corrosive if not cleaned the same day after shooting. A simple hot water cleaning removed the corrosive salts, which, If followed by greasing, would prevent corrosion and rusting.
The corrosive priming problem continued on into the early 20th century particularly with early military smokeless powder cartridges
@joseph299 Real black powder is not corrosive. The fired residues are "hygroscopic" meaning the residues absorb moisture from the air and can slowly cause rusting that way. However a damp patch will easily clean away those residues, using nothing more than water as a solvent, and prevent that problem.
The black powder substitutes Pyrodex and "777" ARE corrosive, and will damage bores if not cleaned soon after firing, using the same water-cleanup as BP. Pyrodex is more corrosive than 777.
I had an 1858 remington 44 revolver chain fire all 6 cyclinders TWICE in a row! I was young and dumb and did not use over powder wads or grease outside the round balls.I was very lucky not to hv been injured! Be careful ! Chainfires do happen and can ruin your day!
In what way? True, they are not as valuable, but you can shoot them and they are much safer than shooting an original. I have many originals and reproductions, my nerves get fried each time an original firearm fires, even when it is a light load. On the other hand, I love to teach history, and when I can allow other to shoot high quality reproductions with the full original loads, it gives them a great perspective that couldnt have been achieved with shooting an original.
You can shoot them (which is kind of the point of firearms) without worrying about blowing up a $200,000 piece of history. They certainly are "as good" as the originals when it comes to performance, handling, firing, etc.
@MackinacIs Disagree 100% with that. Uberti's reproductions are every bit as good as original Colts and Remingtons. Originals did come from the factory with the actions finely smoothed and tuned, and Uberti leaves that to the individual owner, which keeps the cost lower. Tuning takes a bit of time but will have the Uberti working as smoothly as an original.
Uberti percussion revolvers are as superbly accurate as fine condition originals and will regularly out-group modern handguns.
On the later Remingtons yes, they used spare cylinders, but on these they created small paper cartridges similar to the muzzle loaders, they had the projectile and the powder, and were loaded individually into each cylinder. It was also very time consuming.
I can see that it is time consuming, I also learned recently about the possibility of all the chambers going off at once from a stray spark if you don't lube/grease them... they are still very intriguing and I want one myself
They did not reload these things in a fight, they would go to the second revolver as they carried two on pommel holsters. When the second Dragoon revolver was used up, they would go to a sabre.
If i had a horse pistol like that I wouldn't be afraid of no boogerman
AkimboNinjaPWN 3 months ago
Great job on the Video! Wonderful Gun very Impressive!
aubscene1 8 months ago
Noticed the loading level falling as you were shooting the Dragoon. It this a common problem ? Is it a Uberti revolver ?
sethdesade 9 months ago
Easily comparable to a .45 ACP.
davids11131113 11 months ago
@Reloading process
Hard-to-the-fucking-core
BrUSomania 1 year ago
I hope you carry this as your personal defence firearm. You could just whip this out, and you can just point it at something, and bigass holes will appear - no need to pull the trigger. This pistol is that badass.
TheEnglishRedneck45 1 year ago
That sound
kazetehskylord 1 year ago
Its a stretch to compare this to a 45acp. Most manufactures make nothing less than 165 grain bullets for the .45acp. There are certainly loads that produce less than 390 pounds of energy... but there aren't any Colt Dragoon loads that will get you 475... 573... or even 700... all of which can be had in manufactured cartridges for the .45 acp. We handloaders even top that.
trailor73 1 year ago
@trailor73 1 of 2 I was comparing the standard loads of each firearm; standard military loads. The .45 with standard ball ammo, which is roughly 329 foot-pounds, and the standard load (in 1847 with black powder) of 390 foot pounds. I’m aware both firearms can be increased significantly, including charges well over 600 foot-pounds for the Colt.
mag30th 1 year ago
2 of 3 High quality modern manufactured Dragoon replicas I read have produced as much as 540 foot-pounds of energy with custom loads of 10 gr. FFFgcyl. full of Pyrodex P. I would have included the hotter load data, but after an individual reloading for his 91.30 recently attempted to place blame on me for the destruction of his rifle, (I had included load data in an earlier 91.30 video) I feel I have to stick with the standard load info to avoid another scenario like the recent one.
mag30th 1 year ago
@trailor73 "The Walker Colt was quite powerful, with modern replicas firing modern FFFg black powder producing energy levels in excess of 500 foot pounds with both picket bullets and 0.454-inch-diameter (11.5 mm), 141-grain (9.1 g) round ball bullets. The black powder Walker Colt is regarded as the most powerful commercially manufactured repeating handgun from 1847 until the introduction of the .357 Magnum in 1935."
matthewjdenn 11 months ago
my uncle has a 2 brown bess muckets one is a flintlock one the other one has been changed to precaution caps. the flintlock one hase a date printed on it its something like 1734. and the precaution cap one is a navy pattern and that date is 1838
andrewceg 1 year ago
I have not seen the recent version of True Grit but I have wondered if the girl has her daddies Colt's Dragoon 'horse pistol'.
salinagrrrl69 1 year ago
@salinagrrrl69 Yes she does! although the one she is using is the 2nd model, mine is a copy of the 3rd.
mag30th 1 year ago
@mag30th OBTW I was appauled by what happened in Tus.Az. But you knew they were going to pounch for bans of all sorts. They are.
salinagrrrl69 1 year ago
It must have taken a long time to die and fight the war with guns like these.......whew!
52flipflop 1 year ago
@52flipflop By the late 1850's combustible cartridges were available so that C&B revolvers could be loaded fairly rapidly. The combustible cartridge consisted of a paper powder envelope glued to the base of a conical bullet, and the entire unit was rammed into the chamber.
Takes about 2-3 minutes to load, cap and fire with my home-made combustibles. The 216 grain conical I use makes about 940 fps using original 23 gr charge levels of very-fine-grain black powder. A bit above 45 ACP power.
coltperc 1 year ago
That there gun will tear a hole in somebody the size of talahasse
mrthebedbugs 1 year ago
is the 1851 navy the same power as a 45? Because i believe they are in 44 caliber also.
taco1030 1 year ago
So I see the loading lever falls on that just like on walkers despite the latch?
SuperR3volver 1 year ago
Are those Buffalo Bullets? Tried to get some of those from Dixie but they were out of stock.
AwakeAndDangerous 1 year ago
I read somewhere that the old black powder cartridges used to corrode the guns inner mechanisms really quickly. This was one of the reasons there was such a push to smokeless cartridges, right?
Condeycon 2 years ago
@Condeycon It was the mercury fulminate priming mixture in original percussion caps and primers that was so corrosive if not cleaned the same day after shooting. A simple hot water cleaning removed the corrosive salts, which, If followed by greasing, would prevent corrosion and rusting.
The corrosive priming problem continued on into the early 20th century particularly with early military smokeless powder cartridges
coltperc 1 year ago
@coltperc Black powder is also super corrosive buddy
joseph299 1 year ago
@joseph299 Real black powder is not corrosive. The fired residues are "hygroscopic" meaning the residues absorb moisture from the air and can slowly cause rusting that way. However a damp patch will easily clean away those residues, using nothing more than water as a solvent, and prevent that problem.
The black powder substitutes Pyrodex and "777" ARE corrosive, and will damage bores if not cleaned soon after firing, using the same water-cleanup as BP. Pyrodex is more corrosive than 777.
coltperc 1 year ago
I had an 1858 remington 44 revolver chain fire all 6 cyclinders TWICE in a row! I was young and dumb and did not use over powder wads or grease outside the round balls.I was very lucky not to hv been injured! Be careful ! Chainfires do happen and can ruin your day!
dbrinkm1 2 years ago
i want one;)i got a 1851 navy its a 44 and so much fun to shoot
HYPOspeed 2 years ago
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MackinacIs 2 years ago
In what way? True, they are not as valuable, but you can shoot them and they are much safer than shooting an original. I have many originals and reproductions, my nerves get fried each time an original firearm fires, even when it is a light load. On the other hand, I love to teach history, and when I can allow other to shoot high quality reproductions with the full original loads, it gives them a great perspective that couldnt have been achieved with shooting an original.
mag30th 2 years ago
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MackinacIs 1 year ago
You can shoot them (which is kind of the point of firearms) without worrying about blowing up a $200,000 piece of history. They certainly are "as good" as the originals when it comes to performance, handling, firing, etc.
jeffshootsstuff 2 years ago
@MackinacIs Disagree 100% with that. Uberti's reproductions are every bit as good as original Colts and Remingtons. Originals did come from the factory with the actions finely smoothed and tuned, and Uberti leaves that to the individual owner, which keeps the cost lower. Tuning takes a bit of time but will have the Uberti working as smoothly as an original.
Uberti percussion revolvers are as superbly accurate as fine condition originals and will regularly out-group modern handguns.
coltperc 1 year ago
NICE! Thanks for posting. I own a CVA copy & enjoy blasting away with it.
BoldReiver 2 years ago
i have a thing in my mined how did they reload that handgun in a firefight
nice video mr.mag30th
2967575 2 years ago
spare cylinders
IhateSatan333 2 years ago
On the later Remingtons yes, they used spare cylinders, but on these they created small paper cartridges similar to the muzzle loaders, they had the projectile and the powder, and were loaded individually into each cylinder. It was also very time consuming.
mag30th 2 years ago
I can see that it is time consuming, I also learned recently about the possibility of all the chambers going off at once from a stray spark if you don't lube/grease them... they are still very intriguing and I want one myself
IhateSatan333 2 years ago
"how did they reload that handgun in a firefight "
They didn't. :)
1kperday 2 years ago
COOL VIDEO!
arridedry 2 years ago
Cool puppy.
TheHiddenPart 2 years ago
wow wouldn't wanna have to reload that thing in the middle of a firefight.
ramsy66 2 years ago 2
They did not reload these things in a fight, they would go to the second revolver as they carried two on pommel holsters. When the second Dragoon revolver was used up, they would go to a sabre.
Sixguns4fighting 2 years ago
Beautiful! I have a Ruger Old Army I need to fire it. Looks like fun. Thanks.5*s
bill13442 2 years ago 2
mm yummmm i love the smell of gunpowder
kingofheartsxyz 2 years ago 2
Very nice revolver, you gotta love the smell of that blackpowder :D
pukkepop 2 years ago
"I said I never had much use for one; didn't say I didn't know how to use one."
caspiansm 2 years ago