Another Reason To Say No To Ethanol

[Rusty1220]

Have a 14 year old ridding lawn mover always used 10% ethanol gasoline in it.  Never ever had to work on engine or fuel system. Never had any fuel leaks. Engine still runs like new.

[Rusty1220]

While I am thinking about it, I also have a walk behind brush hog that I have used for 16 years. I have always used the 10% ethanol gasoline in it. I had it running yesterday also. And I have never had to do anything to its carbrator or fuel lines and never had any fuel leaks.

[Rusty1220]

I have 2005 Arctic Cat ATV been using the 10% ethanol gasoline in it for almost 6 years. No carbrator trouble or gaskets leaks. It still runs great. 10% ethanol Gas does set in then tank all winter when not in use. I do not understand why these other people are claiming to have problems.

[mikehanoo33]

The real ecological nightmare is industrial agriculture. Switching to organic-style crop rotation will cut energy use on farms by a third or more: no more petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides, or chemical fertilizers. Fertilizer needs can be served either by applying the byproducts left over from the alcohol manufacturing process directly to the soil, or by first running the byproducts through animals as feed.

[switchgrassfuel]

quit blaming Ethanol for all of your problems. you act like the corn just disappear when you make fuel out of it, it doesn't they can still use it in livestock food. none of it goes to wast at all. so quit crying like a baby. and further more ethanol is cheaper than gas if you look at production prices only with no subsidy going to Ethanol or gas companies. I am sick of Idiots like you that don't have a clue. read my user name if you wonder how much i follow the the ethanol industry.

[Rusty1220]

Ethanol is a great fuel.  I use ethanol fuel all the time.

[johnathonmelby]

@Rusty1220 ok the only thing ethenol is good for is cars any other engine no cause you will literaly burn up fuel lines in your atv snowmobile ect. small engine. then your floats in the carbs get eaten away then the carb is leaken all over the place remember you still have 90% gas so if your leaking everywhere how is that good??? ethenol also make 20% less gas millage so if you average it out you have to spend more to get less milage

[Rusty1220]

@johnathonmelby I been using E 85 evey day in my truck for around 5 years no problem at all. Using ethanol conversion box so I am getting same mileage as plane old gasoline. Also have old cub cadet tractor with carburator that had been setting unstarted for at least 1 1/2 years with 10% ethanol, 90% gasoline in the tank. Tractor also had fuel stablizer in it when last parked. Yesterday it started on the second crank of the starter and ran fine. No leaks in lines or carb, ran like new.

[Rusty1220]

@Rusty1220 Dad was mechanic in days before ethanol was used in gasoilne. Every Spring he had about 40 or 50 lawn movers brought to him that would not start because old gasoline has sat in them all winter or longer and had caused varnish to clog floats, or needle valves. Also some carbs would have corosion in them due to water in fuel. Again this was before 10% ethanol used in gas supplies. I would recommed that all mowers use fuel stabilizer in gas prior to storing for winter.

[johnathonmelby]

@Rusty1220 you have to do much more than just that box such as the fuel pump beacuse e85 burns faster, fuel rail cause it has to be stainless steal ethenol erodes them away,the enjectors have to be changed,fuel identifyer,all your intake and exaust valves need to be changed cause normal gas doesnt corrode away, plus the cylinder heads too!!! it takes more than 5 years to blow an engine one day you will be driving and there she goes!!blown up

[Rusty1220]

@johnathonmelby Wow I have 165,000 miles on engine with original fuel pump, original injectors, no work done on engine other than replaced plugs at 100,000 miles athough the old plugs looked fine. Checked cyclinder compression when I changed plugs, compression was still good as new engine. Engine does not use any extra oil. If it goes another 5 years then I will have 330,000 miles on engine and I will most likely buy new truck by then just because I have gotten tired of the old one. 

[circutracer150]

OMFG! You are a FOOL!

Ethanol is NOT made from ONLY CORN! It can be made from wood chips fror Christ sake! And ANY sugars!

PLUS, corn is INFINITELY renewable, unlike fossil fuels.

So food prices go up, BIG FUCKING DEAL!

Inflation causes that anyways! As well as supply and demand!

Get your facts STRAIGHT.

[magprob]

Goose, before you go on spreading the big oil companies bullshit, read Alcohol Can Be A Gas by David Blume. Then talk to me.

[goose1077]

It's economics. I haven't read anything put out by oil companies.

[magprob]

Goose, may I slap the shit out of you? You are the dumbest bastard I have ever had the misfortune of stumbling upon.

[goose1077]

Your comment lacks any substance. Explain what view you disagree with and why.

[Onemore18]

Goose.. your an idiot

[Sojaofdapepo]

what if there was a plant that was more efficient in every aspect in the making of ethanol than any plant on the market? they would make it illegal, and they have... it's called cannabis

[Juliusno1776]

Hemp cannot be made directly into ethanol. It can be made via cellulosic. Yields could be 1200 gallons per acre. A better crop is cattails on treated sewage water. 2500 GPA Ethanol and 5000 GPA as methane. Corn is about 325 GPA. tinyurl com/56rrda or Google "Mister, Can You Spare A Paradigm?"

Corn can replace 1/3 our motor fuel and feed 307 million people 4 ounces of protein 6 days a week, using 120 million acres. Over a billion acres left over. Big Oil Lies.

[frankodelic]

keep postin' vids, my friend. keep up the good work!

[BJJ415N]

Hey goose! You havent explained me hows it fell payin 5 bucks a gallon of gasoline... does it hurt your pocket? HAHAHAHA! goose, youre pathetic... if this sh*t is not enough to you to say yes to ethanol then STFU and pay the f*ckin price without complainin u dumbass!

[goose1077]

Ethanol uses more oil than it replaces. How can it bring down the cost of gas?

[BJJ415N]

What? Stop sayin nonsenses goose!

[goose1077]

Think about it. It takes a tremendous amount of oil to make the fertilizer (natural gas really) it takes a lot of oil to run the diesel tractors that plow the fields. It takes a lot of oil to truck all the corn around. It takes a lot of energy to turn the corn into concentrated ethanol. It takes a lot of oil to truck the ethanol around since there are not pipelines. When they put the ethanol in your tank it burns less efficiently than gas.

[goose1077]

See the link to the link in my info section from UC Berkeley for the numbers that go with what I am saying.

[BJJ415N]

according to your logics, we will use energy to remove all the CO2 out of the atmosphere if we remain burning oil to move cars and trucks... but using ethanol we dont have to. Again, youre wrong goose.... wrong.

[goose1077]

If you are concerned about CO2, solar and wind are the way to go. Geothermal, or waves too. They can be turned into hydrogen or into electricity for batteries. They could also build an electric rail in main roads powered by alternative energy. Ethanol will never be a way to supply significant amounts of energy and it will definitely not limit CO. The only exception is waste to ethanol.

[BJJ415N]

Solar, waves, hydrogen, geothermal energies are simply not sufficient to supply the amount necessary to move cars trucks ships, heat houses, buildings, run industries etc... hydrogen is laughable... electric cars too... and ethanol from sugar cane is CO2 balanced just because all the energy used in the process comes from the cane itself, for example: the tractors run with ethanol and biodiesel!! So, bring another excuse goose. These ones are really weak.

[Juliusno1776]

UC Berkley took Big Oil money and I would not trust a thing they say about Ethanol. Fact is, I can buy ethanol at times for under a buck a gallon cheaper than pump gas. You need to read "Alcohol can be a Gas" by Blume

[goose1077]

What you can buy it for is irrelevant. Taxes are paying the part you are not paying. If ethanol was really cheaper, it would be taking over. Ethanol is not profitable in the U.S. without tax subsidies. Oil on the other hand is profitable without subsidies. In fact, oil pays royalties and huge taxes. Then the goverment is kind enough to give some back in tax credits for exploration.

[Juliusno1776]

Big Oil gets $5.60 in subsidy per gallon.

Ethanol gets 62 cents.

How come Stossel never mentions how Big Oil gets more subsidy than the cost of gasoline?

That's right, Stossel came up via the Foundations that Big Oil owns. Reason, CATO, CEI...

If there were a true free market, methane and ethanol would be King.

[germandeerslayer]

The funny thing is the oil companies get the tax subsidies not the ethanol companies. The Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (VEETC) provides oil companies with an incentive to blend ethanol with gasoline. This tax credit earned oil companies 3.3 billion dollars in 2007.

[goose1077]

If oil companies get sax subsidies for buying ethanol, this makes it possible for them to pay a higher price for ethanol. This is a tax for ethanol companies, not oil companies. Am economist will tell you that it doesn't matter who cashes or writes a check, what matters is where does the economic impact fall. For example, who pays sales tax--you or the store? You pay nominally but the store shares the burden because they have to charge less and/or sell less.

[germandeerslayer]

They do not pay higher prices for ethanol. Ethanol prices are based on the Chicago Board of Trade. What happens is oil companies blend a cheaper product and sell it for the same price, depending on the blend. This benefits the oil companies not ethanol companies.

[goose1077]

The CBT does not determine the price of anything--the market does. If the price of ethanol is more than the price of gasoline, oil companies won't buy it. This would force the price of ethanol down. When you add in a subsidy it makes it possible to pay more for the ethanol. Since it usually costs more than a gallon of gas to make ethanol, producers would stop making it without the subsidy propping up the price. Corn is subsidized too.

[germandeerslayer]

Yes I understand the markets determine the price but you are not understanding the VEETC. This tax credit is awarded to the blenders not ethanol companies. If the oil company uses ethanol they (oil company) get the subsidy. The ethanol producer simply sells the ethanol to the blender at the price determined by the market.

[goose1077]

Go back and read what I wrote above. You clearly missed it. I addressed the issue of how ethanol producers get money that is given to oil blenders. I explained it twice.

[TDEADE]

Basically what I'm telling you is, 'YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT!' Get a life you dumb SOB! Why don't you go to your local Wal-Mart, buy a case of Middle Eastern/Bush 10W-30 oil and drink that instead of buying food to feed your stupid ass. Do your part and the rest of the world a favor at the same time.

[goose1077]

That's basicaly what we do when we eat corn or any of the millios of foods that has corn built into them.

[goose1077]

Watch the video I just posted mine as a reply to.  Now keep in mind, my video is over a year old.

[mrhjoker21]

wow

1.people having to not drive cars anymore would be great.

2 people not eating as much, would be great.

obesity in children is rising cus every day they ask ther momys to go get a happy meal and a large diet coke( idont think the diet part would help fatshits that eat at mcdonalds anyways)having fat kids eat less and walk more would make my day

3ethenol can be made from more than just corn. Ever heard of cellulosic ethenol. they take theshit parts of any organic material,and make it into fuel

[goose1077]

nobody who is obese today will starve. Nobody who can afford happy meals will starve. The people who will starve are those who by their food in the form of raw ingredients. There is nothing wrong with turning waste into ethanol. I'm against turning crops into it.

[mrhjoker21]

ok....maby you should have made a better video that involved you saying somthing like...."CORN ethenol is a dill pickle in you fruit salad" not just singling out ethenol in itself. and yes ill give you that CORN ethenol is a very inefficiant procees. but there are other organic materials that you can make into ethenol....like the co2 eating algea that gives off oxygen. you can also make paper,plastic and cattle feed from it to

[goose1077]

I learned of the algae ethanol after making this video. It is an interesting idea. I'm against any ethanol that takes up land though. It is completely ineffective.

[mrhjoker21]

i agree, brazil seems to be doing good with there sugar cane ethenol. the only down side is that they cleared lots of forest to do so

[goose1077]

Lots of people will argue with you on that. I know because they have done so with me. Here is the counter argument. They often don't clear rain forest to plant sugarcane. Whatever was on the land that they do plant sugarcane on gets moved to the forest.

[mrhjoker21]

ohhh...thats rediculous. they can say they dont clear land for the surgar cane but they do so for the other crops. that way the brazilian government can make a better for apeal for there ethenol!

[BJJ415N]

not right mrhjoker21... sugar cane in Brazil is raised in the south and central areas of the country. No forests over there. And it takes only 1% of its agricultural lands to make Brazil the second ethanol producer and the largest sugar producer of the world.

Cattle and wood industries are destroyin the rain forest.

[thegraphicman]

You are very stupid the ethanol can comes from any tip of carbohydrate o "sugar"

Y makes e distiller in my class o chemistry 101 in the university we distil ethanol in one class

Place the chemistry 101 before you post other video.

[barknspyder]

corn is what were using. the united states seem to have a fetish for corn.

[goose1077]

The first presidential caucus is in Iowa, and there is campaign money in corn. There is also the misconception that the farm bill helps most farmers.

[goose1077]

What difference does it make if the land is full of corn, switch grass, or soy beans (diesel)? Land is still taken up and unable to grow food. Sure some of these things might be able to grow in places food isn't grown but we have to consider the idea that it takes thousand of square miles of crops to make a tiny dent in fuel consumption. Surly that will take up food crop land.

[richrod007]

Recent studies have concluded that ethanol is more energy efficient than gasoline. Corn ethanol is the beginning there are more alternative processing plants being brought online that use the ENTIRE corn which will boost efficiency dramatically.

[goose1077]

The vehicals got 1.5% worse fuel economy with 10% ethanol, 2.2 worse with E-20, 5.1 worse with E30. The decided it was more efficient because ethanol is cheaper than gas so it costs you less to run it. What they didn't consider was that you also pay for ethanol with your taxes. Remove the subsidies and it is not more efficient.

[goose1077]

On average oil is not subsidised, it's just the opposite. Oil pays royalties. That further separates oil from ethanol. If ethanol were really more efficient, you wouldn't need a paper to tell you it is.

[phileeep]

With more mexicans starving even more of them will want to (in reality, have no choice BUT to) find some kind of way to come to American illegaly. (not a racist comment, a realistic comment)

[Whip87]

watched your first video and have nothing good to say about this one either except that you prove how dumb you truly are.

[goose1077]

I can't really reply to comments like these with anything useful. Do you have a particular point you'd like to debate?

[ilciddy]

im doing a speech about ethanol thanks for the info it should not replace fossil fuels

[goose1077]

john stossel has info on this too

[Geiger1976]

You are a fucking joke asshole joe No farmes no food.

[goose1077]

Who said anything against growing food?

[cheaphardwarez]

Take what america is good at producing, $#it. Thats right, grow cat-tails (65% starch) in sewer. With its rapid growth you can get uo to 10,000 gallons per year ethanol from cat tails. NO $#IT!

[goose1077]

Interesting.

[JPNissen]

What a dope. The major meat packers, chicken farms and dairies want you to believe this crap just so they can raise their prices. The average American eats the equivalent of 25 bushels of corn a year. That's just under a hundred bucks worth of corn - even at today's prices. There is less than 4/10ths of a cent worth of corn in a tortilla today. Corn flakes have 4 cents worth of corn in them. But you would be paying $800 more per year for gas if ethanol wasn't around.

[PaganEgyptian]

17 pounds of grain feed is made from each 50 lb. bushel of corn after ethanol production. plus we get 60% more energy back from ethanol vs losing 30% for making gas. Plus we get to skip adding Ketone, Benzene, and other toxic chemical "aromatics".

[PaganEgyptian]

Ever shipped anything UPS, or by mail. Delivery cost go up because Gasoline goes up. Not because corn went up. Delivery is the major growth expense in consumer goods, not just food, but everything has went up because of gas and oil prices. The proof is all around.

[baldyksu]

the cost of grain has little to do with the cost of consumer goods. The cost of consumer goods is factories, packaging, shipping, marketing, and labor. Corn right now at $3.50/bu cost $.06/lb. It was $2.00/bu or So corn has went up about $.02/lb. But strangley cost go up more than margin. Basically if food cost are going up it is a result of transportation costs, or the seller is just using it as an excuse to raise prices.

[goose1077]

That's true in the U.S. but those people in mexico I was talking about wern't paying for brand name or mutch packaging. You also have to keep in mind that markups are to some degree a percentage of cost. If it costs 2 cents you and sell it for 4, if it costs 4 you sell for eight.

[pilotclan9404]

we are not corn !!!!!!!!

First of all CORN is not a good food source! Eat greens instead!

Second, Corn is NOT a good source of oil or ethanol!

Ethanol can be made from ANY cellulose! even grass!

Fungus and bacteria are being used in labs around the world to convert cellulose to ethanlol from hemp) VERY LITTLE ENERGY!

think about that CORN boy!

[goose1077]

So the study that found that we (most of us in America) are made of the carbon that is found in corn is wrong then? I'm all for the market bringing any fuel into use that is cheaper than what we have now or might have in the future. If that cellulose thing is cheaper, lets do it.

[the486kid]

one more thing, LEGALIZE INDUSTRIAL HEMP!

visit votehemp dot comm

[goose1077]

I bought hemp lotion at wal-mart. It has hemp oil in it.

[the486kid]

First of all CORN is not a good food source! Eat greens instead!

Second, Corn is NOT a good source of oil or ethanol!

Ethanol can be made from ANY cellulose! even grass!

Fungus and bacteria are being used in labs around the world to convert cellulose to ethanlol from hemp) VERY LITTLE ENERGY!

think about that CORN boy!

[goose1077]

If it works and it is cheap, then It would be OK to to get some ethanol that way. I'm not against working on it but lets not ramp up production of something that is unproductive.

[dewpep]

Corn is not best but better than Iran and Saudi Oil = finances terrorism. So - reduce meat consumption to save corn for ethanol - I am willing to make that sacrifice. When price of meat goes up 70% of that is meat Packers - 20% is Grocery Stores - 10% farmers.

I agree - we need to conserve by drive less

in 10 years we will have better innovation that makes the process cheaper

[vdae98]

You make some good points that corn is not the best way to make ethanol, but we have to start somewhere, and any one that is worried about food prices does not know the system that well, less then 5% of the cost of foods are from the raw product like corn or wheat. When you buy a box of corn flakes more money was spent on advertising, and packaging then on the corn.

[HeadTater]

1) Mexico can grow its own corn 2) the oil market is unstable, not the fuel market in general 3) ethanol can be made out of more than just corn. Switchgrass is a common prarie grass in the Midwest that can make 1150 gal per acre (corn=370) at only $40 per metric to (corn=$142) do more reasearch nex time.

[goose1077]

The fuel market is unstable because both the supply and demand curves are steep. It is actually less efficient to make ethanol from switch-grass than corn. It take more fuel to make ethanol from corn than you get from it. That doesn't bode well for switch-grass.

[yuio123321]

Mexico can grow its own corn but it is still the second largest customer of U.S. corn. (Japan is the largest importer of U.S. corn.)

I agree with goose... whoever decided it was a brilliant idea to subsidize the ethanol industry (yes, with your $) didn't analyze the costs and benefits.

[goose1077]

we need more people with Finance degrees in congress

[GrooveMediaGroupInc]

again your a fucking idiot.

[goose1077]

Again, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong.

[arkivx1]

What a retard your A dumbass, ethanol is also made from the corn stalks and grasses last I checked the mexicans weren't eating grass or corn stalks. and at least it isn't coming from some-tin pot dictator, stop listening to NPR, cause they are stupid.

[goose1077]

non of this matters. Ethanol is made from corn kernels and that is driving the price of them up. More recently the price came down some as farmers planted more land with corn and less land with other foods. This will drive up the cost of other foods. Just because you don't understand or like something doesn't make it stupid. The fact is, it takes a great deal of oil from tin pot dictators to grow corn.

[arkivx1]

Rigghhhtttt.

[bikesbridges]

you're such a drag, man! have you seen any renewable energy methods that could potentially work? aside from the obvious solar, hydro, wind.

[goose1077]

The only other one I can think of is wave energy. I think it will be possible to make wind turbines cheaper though.  If they get cheaper there will be a lot more of them. We have hardly scratched the surface on wind.

[rubencompro]

You are a Douche bag.. Nice video I can't even stop laughing to insult you.. Free speach at work.

[sdmtss]

haha, are you serious. i guess not. ethanol is going to be around for a long time. atleast you are thinking though, i'll give you credit for that.

[goose1077]

I suppose ethanol will be around as long as there is oil to support it. I'll give you that. It takes oil to grow corn and it takes oil or coal to turn corn into ethanol

[istvanszabados]

Ethanol is not made exclusively from corn. You ever hear of booze? Most is made from wheat. Any fruit will produce ethanol when added to water with a little yeast after 2 weeks. Compost from your kitchen can be made into ethanol with some sugar added.

I don't buy your "the poor Mexicans will starve" argument. You may have other issues....

[goose1077]

Can you imagine the expense of making ethanol from fruit? We make it from corn only in the US because it is our cheapest method. The new corn prices are already having an impact in Mexico. It's not a prediction.

[Juliusno1776]

Corn prices have dropped since OPEC and big oil failed at driving up prices long term. Corn for human food is only one percent of the corn crop. The rest is cattle feed junk food additives and ethanol.

However, corn is NOT the cheapest source of ethanol in America. Fodder Beets can make 3x the ethanol per acre and cattails can do about 10x the ethanol per acre. All the truth the API and Big Oil won't share with You is in "Alcohol can be a gas" by Blume. Check Your Library...

[cinnamontwistt]

Um goose what exactly is ethanol?

[goose1077]

Are you serious?