With the creationist latter, you just have to draw a stippled line with a new step above the human one, and put a question mark. That step will be humanity 10k years from now.
Humans created God in their own image. Vengeful, bigoted and 'oddly' enough prefer men in power.
Everyone look up the following video title: "Protect IP Bill is WORSE than S.978 and being RUSHED". It's a matter of saving or losing good videos like this.
If we could embrace religion as a philosophy and look at the bible as having metaphoric content (instead of literal truths), there would be no problem being both religious and scientific. Some people feel that religion without science is just superstition. Evolution is a fact but you can still be impressed with how miraculous it is. Creationists are more politically motivated than they are philosophical. Their agenda is a dangerous one - it's all about control.
Yea thats why this guy isnt ever challenged! This makes sense. He doesnt back up what he says he just says its true Wow I really dont feel sorry for the people that believe this guy how hypocritical for sceptics to not say for them not to be sceptical. Hahahahaha I love people who show the obvious.
I really dont know what to believe, and this is because I am a skeptic! I dont really trust anyone, including the skeptics. Hang around in a hospital for a while and see how much faith you have in science! Or read the Bible and see how much faith you have in that! IDK That much I do trust! IDK
@BobsAmazingAdventure I AGREE. It would be hypocritical to say you do not speculate the so called "Sceptics" I believe in the bible where logic is only consistent with life as we know it. I am even sceptic of my own beliefs but I cant find fault or error within it so I can only agree to believe in it.
@The86cali. well said mr idiot. the religious community is proud of you. like billy joe once said, dont want to be an american idiot. only in america can such idiots truly bloom. take a bow champ.
@The86cali hypocrite . dont use words you dont understand kid. evolution a religion!. oh dear, the toys are being thrown out the pram now. your an idiot that wont except the truth. now get back to your day care centre. your forgiven.
@The86cali were you listening (both here and in biology or earth science classes in high school)? You have issues; you cherry pick what is comfortable for you in science (this is not honest..) so . your pick; hypocrite or ignoramus ..
When I was just a kid in second grade, the teacher humiliated me in front of the class by casting doubt on my comment about dinosaur eggs. She giggled at me and the ignorant class followed suit. I dont see any of those people now but I am quite sure they have all seen the movie "Jurassic Park" where dinosaur eggs feature quite prominently. I wonder if I flashed through their memories during that scene...
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"I don't believe in what I cannot see" has be cited as one of the reasons many prefer to believe in the theory of evolution. But consider the humble paperclip none of us have ever met the man who designed it, yet that does not stop us from reconizing that an intelligent mind must have made it. It wasn't found on an island where it evolved. Now consider a single cell in our bodies much more complex than a paperclip proof of intelligent design
@TeDyBearWantsCuddles .. and you forgot the magic word (along with all sorts of elemental biology) ... abracadabra! a cell.. proof of magic.. by the by, be humble enough to recognize your ignorance.. (hint; this is not a good place to demonstrate it..) go back to school.. less time in church...
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Example- power of reason vs blind faith in science, albert Einstein was considered during his time, to be one of the greatest scientific minds of his time, why? Because of the mathamatical formular that he DISCOVERED. Notice he discovered, not created. So logical reason would argue mathmatics= intelligent mind ,our earth, the world around us as well as the universe is full of mathamatical principle's proof that a great mind, ie intelligence is behind it, God does exist.
@TeDyBearWantsCuddles Science is the best tool ever developed to unlock the mysteries of how the cosmos works. Yes, Einstein discovered special relativity, but no one has discovered any evidence of any deity yet . There is no evidence for any intelligent design. ID is simply a religious belief system to give religious people a false pseudoscientific reason to justify their belief in God.
You are funny. Stupid but funny. The Science you talk about REQUIRES one to be able to duplicate & predict a given theory. It MUST be repeatable by any other person testing the given theory.
Macro Evolution FAILS the scientific method and cannot be duplicated or predicted.
Macro Evolution is a FAITH based belief system based on TIME. These faith based idiots BELIEVE that give enough time, 1 species can turn into another species. lmao! Fools and dupes
@parasitesarefunny Ironic how you realize that faith and belief are the linchpins for a unsupported belief system, yet you do not see the irony that all religion is based on nothing more than faith and belief. Since science is an evidence based system of inquiry to determine how the universe works, and religion is nothing more than empty belief with no evidence, your argument basically disproves itself.
@parasitesarefunny To bring this back to the practical, If one species does not evolve into another, Creationists would have to explain why there are no bunnies, dogs, people, rats, horses, cats, bats, birds, platypus, elephant, zebra, or a single mammal of any kind in the cretaceous period. Not one. Why? Answer: They didn't exist yet because they had not evolved yet. What is your answer?
They simply have not been found or they are discarded. There are fossilized humans & even pictures of dinosaurs from thousands of years ago drawn by humans.
Furthermore, there are PLENTY of things alive today that have been alive for what Evolutionists claim is millions of years.
I used to be an Atheist/Evolutionist until I woke up to the lies & deceptions. Funny how Macro Evolution cannot even pass as SCIENCE yet idiots claim it is scientific. lmao!
@parasitesarefunny Wrong. Mammals did not exist during the cretaceous period. To believe that not a single mammal was ever found because they "haven't been found or were discarded" is such a classic case of science denial that you hold no credibility. Your education is embarrassingly lacking. A bit like criticizing Calculus by someone who has not learned arithmetic yet. The "idiots" are not the scientists, but those with religious convictions that make them blind to contradictory evidence.
ROFLAMO! Your logic is hilarious! According to your LOGIC, since so-called Dinosaurs were not found until the mid 1800's the DID NOT exist prior. ROFLMAO!
I graduated Summa Cum Laude & used to BELIEVE in this Macro Evolution bullshit until I realized its not science but faith based bullshit.
Good luck with your ignorance. It's funny to me now, since I used to use this Macro Evolution bullshit to beat religious people over the head. The joke was on me.
@parasitesarefunny Wrong again Bible boy. Just to prove your thinking is as straight as a slinky, When something is discovered in modern times is not the same thing as the geologic time period something was discovered to have lived. Therefore Dinosaurs discovered in the 1800s existed in the Jurassic. Summa cum stupid. Mammals did not exist in the Cretaceous period. Just look it up. It is spelled CRETACEOUS.
@parasitesarefunny You Creationists are a funny lot. Accept science as long as it does not contradict your magic man in the sky creation myths. Next question after your fail on mammals: If the God created the universe as the Bible said and the Galaxy of Andromeda is millions of light years away, (you can look that factoid up yourself) How can you see it with a simple backyard telescope? If the Bible account was correct, the light would not be here yet. DOH! and on and on.
What is exactly is macroevolution? What is the difference between macroevolution and microevolution? What makes micro true and macro not? Only people not familiar with biology use these terms, when they really the same exact thing. What is your science education? What evidence do you have to disprove a theory with enormous amounts of evidence and in which EVERY scientist accepts? Looks like you got your scientific knowledge from Ray Comfort.
"They simply have not been found or they are discarded. There are fossilized humans & even pictures of dinosaurs from thousands of years ago drawn by humans.
Furthermore, there are PLENTY of things alive today that have been alive for what Evolutionists claim is millions of years."
Where have you studied science? How do you explain vestigial traits like our tailbone, wisdom teeth, appendix(which used to kill 10% of people before 20th century), childhood cancer? How does a creator explain that? How does the simple fact that we have many fossils of different ages spanning billions of years that appear only is in certain times? Weren't all species created on the same day?
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Question- how many people who believe in THE THEORY of evolution, have actually investigated by HONEST research to prove to themselves weither this THEORY is correct ( it's like so many people who belong to a particular religion, they are taught never to question it , just accept it
@TeDyBearWantsCuddles you do... every time you fill your gas tank.. evolution (and paleontology ) predicts where hydrocarbon deposit are.. ref: USING MICROFOSSILS IN PETROLEUM EXPLORATION by BRIAN J. O'NEILL U of Calif Berkeley. .. hey.. you don't believe... then don't fill up.. I believe in evolution.. Hallelujah! (it works.. stop being an idiot)..
I highly recommend Prothero's 2007 book on this subject: Evolution: What The Fossils Say And Why It Matters. Scientists are generally poor at communicating science to the public; that is why pseudoscientific garbage like ID is able to get a hold. We need more scientists like Prothero.
@chansetwo I second the endorsement for Prothero's book; it is probably the single best reource for understanding the case for evolution as it is attested in the fossil record. For the case from molecular biology, I recommend "The Making of the Fittest: DNA and the Ultimate Forensic Evidence for Evolution" by Sean B. Carroll.
Fossil layers in the earth are not found in the sequence taught by evolutionists in textbooks, and there are no indisputable transitional forms in the fossil record. Read my Internet article: ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD?
@Mogley52 Just like Prothero said you creationist will deny faunal succession, in spite of the fact that it is confirmed by geologist, including creationist geologist, and is the main tool used in determining how old the rocks are in order to drill for gas and oil. So stop driving your car mogley. I you want to live in the dark ages do it on your own.
Dawkins won't debate with creationists who are scientists, such as the scientists at ICR, The Institure for Creation Research. Ask him why? Read my Internet article: ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH.
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible in nature (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). Besides, species couldn't have survived with vital tissues, organs, biological systems still evolving? I discuss Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA." Read Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
Hitlerian-styled eugenics was about improving the populace thru racial hygiene. The sermons of Darwin, Dawkins, Cousteau, Ted Turner, Margaret Sanger, Jane Goodall, Paul Ehrlich, the Huxleys, H.G. Wells, Elizabeth Regina's husband, Buffet, Bill Gates etc. humanely stress the reduction of humanity thru weaponized serums, laboratory-fabricated viruses (pathogens), perpetual war, food & water shortages/rationing, deindustrialization & aborticides. Eugenics is now "bio-ethics" & "sustainability."
Right, pour Hydrogen into space, wait, and soon godless zombies will abound. Pathetic.
Darwin himself would call you morons to your own face for how you've perverted his ideas. Apeshit science fans, benzodiazepine pushers which have caused countless horrific murders. Go idiots. Huddle here and congratulate yourselves.
Oh my god that intro music, I fully expected the first scene to be a blonde with big boobs answering the door to a man with a dodgy mustache who says "Hi, I'm here to fix your plumbing" bow chicka wow wow.
@fiesta181 This argument is so stupid it hurts my brain! Only a small percentage of our ape ancestors evolved into modern day humans. We know all dogs share a common ancestor with the wolf. There are still wolves around, how can this be?? I guess all breeds of dogs were all along...
@fiesta181 Firstly, man did not evolve from modern apes. Man and modern apes share a common ancestor, which is extinct. However, you also have a flawed understanding of how evolution works. Perhaps you shoul dhave paid closer attention to the video.
@fiesta181 Evolution is not a straight line, where entire populations change into new species all at the same time. In many instances a small group breaks away from a population and begins to evolve independently of the source group. The source group does not need to go extinct, and is generally unaffected by the development of the smaller group.
@fiesta181 This is called "Allopatric Speciation," and it is just one of many ways that new species can evolve. There is nothing in evolutionary theory which states a source population must go extinct in order for new species to evolve.
@sambricky I know! The vast majority of people who think evolution is BS haven't taken the time to actually know what it means or how it works. I just asked if it makes you mad when you hear somebody say that the theory of evolution is stupid on yahoo answers and the 3 people that answered said no and that evolution was BS. I asked this in the biology section where I thought intelligent people would be...apparently I was wrong
That intro is straight out of the eighties...lol...worse than some tacky creationist (bullshit) vids ...please skeptics, lets have the edge aesthetically as well as intellectually!!
at this point matt i think you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. If you dont understand the science, and you dont like the lecture, then dont watch it.
@moh490234890238490 Then why the joke about Christmas? And why does apologizes for errors that science makes, but castigates for errors creationists make. Isn't that wrongly taking sides when he should just present the science? I mean, it's okay if hates religion, we permit hate speech here in America. It's just that he needs to be honest about it.
@matt605 creationist's don't make mistakes, everything they say is calculated. They Quote mine, put words in the mouth of dead ppl and much more. They're repeat the same nonsense in there lectures and dvd's, but will never appear in a court of law and say them. Creationist are liars plain and simple. As for the Christmas joke, he doesn't care/like religion. BTW don't equate religion with ethnicity or gender. Those things are not choices. Is someone hateful for criticizing your political belief?
@moh490234890238490 Yes, religion is very much like ethnicity, race, and gender. It's okay if they are practicioners of hate-- hate speech is permitted in America. We just are certain to identify them as such. For example, people who hold religious beliefs would likely be mistreated by these professors were their religious affiliations made when testing. Title VII of the 65 CRA prohibits discrimination on the the basis of race, creed, religion, and other factors.
@matt605 Somone make fun of a belief system is not hate speech, just like someone making fun of your political belief isn't. If he made a joke you didn't like suck it up, you live in a country with free speech and your gonna hear things you don't like.BTW who decides what is hateful speech? The claims of religion are very offensive to me. When i hear how i'm going to hell because i don't believe like they do i'm very offended, but i brush it aside and don't cry hate speech.
@moh490234890238490 And I support your right to not pay attention to hate speech. However, when the hate is coming from a professor, such as these men are, then it creates a hostile academic environment that is prejudicial to those who hold relligious beliefs. Title 7 of the 64 CRA prohibits discrimination on the basis of, "race, color, religion, sex, or national origin." Your belief that religion isn't protected legally is bogus and should not be repeated. Thanks.
@matt605 Yes it protects you from being discriminated against, but it doesn't prevent ppl from making fun of what you BELIEVE. It's just a way to silence criticism. If you believe in silly things then your gonna deal with some ridicule. You can't legislate ''hate speech'' because who is gonna decide what is hateful and who is the harmful speaker. if you can't take a joke that just show's that your not strong in your ''faith''. Jokes are not hate speech and nothing can be ''hate speech''.
@moh490234890238490 It surprises me how many people believe that jokes don't count as hate speech, when we all know that racist and sexist jokes are exactly that. A student who is there to learn science should have the opportunity to do just that without feeling that their race, color, religion, sex, or national origin is treated with hostility by the university through its employee, the professor.
@matt605 Nothing is more hateful than threatening people with eternal torture for not believing. Based on this one point alone, Christianity is the most disrespectful and offensive belief system ever to exist. Religon's are ideas, and just like any idea are not immune from criticism or ridicule. Srry but the says of religion being shielded, immune are over. Religion has had it it's way for far to long and now that ppl are fighting back you cry hate speech and its just pathetic.
''Nothing is more hateful than threatening people with eternal torture for not believing. Based on this one point alone, Christianity is the most disrespectful and offensive belief system ever to exist.''
So should my teacher be fired because he has this belief? Should the bible be censored or banned form campuses? If you have the truth nothing should be able to faze you. Your going to heaven after all. Srry u cant have it ur way.
@moh490234890238490 Well you do have a free right to hate and to speak, but you don't have a free right to practice your hatred at the work place. And a professor's work place is in the lecture hall. So they need to park their religious hatred outside before they enter a lecture hall in America. Maybe you should see a medical professional to determine if your hatred is pathological or can be treated.
@matt605 If a highschool teacher mentioned that santa isn't real and somebody claimed that they were offended, do you think that it would be justified for the teacher to apologize to all his students by mandate of the school? NO, because rational person would understand that somebody ignoring the available resources to lower the potentiality of santa, should not be offended when a claim based on that evidence is made. I've been laughed at for thinking santa is real. I got pissed. I was wrong.
@matt605 I got made fun of by my friends, that teacher-student story never happened to me. I just saying, if somebody believes that gravity isn't real but refuses to see the evidence I have supporting it, then I believe that I would have every right to use a university (a place that teaches REALITY) to downplay the unrealistic beliefs.
@PlayLikeAnimal Oh yes, the gravity thing. I experience gravity all the time. I've dug many holes in the ground and never uncovered a fossil. Since I have experienced gravity every day but never dug up a fossil, would I be justified in saying gravity exists but fossils do not?
@matt605 You don't want to watch cause it will expose you as the idiot you are. This vid clearly shows that religion itself is hate speech and ppl mocking it is perfectly ok. I guess you have nothing more to say. You've been thoroughly shown as a self righteous whiner.
@moh490234890238490 I'll take your word for it that the clip shows religious people acting ugly. You should be sure that you check your hatred at the door before entering the workplace. To discriminate on the basis of religion is a violation of federal law. The professors above should not have used public university space and time to advance their hatred of religion. Take care. I enjoyed exchanging ideas with you.
Unfortunately for you, the religious community does such a good job of lying to their children that the first job of teaching science has to be unteaching bronze age myths. Its not that religion is hated, it's that on this count it's wrong and common, and as such needs to be thoroughly refuted before learning can continue. If teaching the literal history of a religion is hateful, it's the religion that's full of hate, not the teacher.
@rkyeun How exactly does that work? I see Shermer's joke about Xmas as inappropriate hate speech and Prothero's apologizing for evolution and castigating creationists as hate speech directed at religious believers. How does that harm me? Were you about to give me a prize because I agreed with them?
@matt605 Fuck you, fuck your irrationality, fuck your god, fuck religion, fuck stupidity, fuck the fact that you can't objectify yourself enough to understand that the concept of evolution, fuck the idea that just because somebody can't explain a few things right now that it warrants a supernatural explanation with no evidence behind it. THAT IS HATE SPEECH. I HATE YOU AND EVERYBODY LIKE YOU. That doesn't change the fact that my argument holds the most scientific and realistic grounding. WIN.
@PlayLikeAnimal I haven't said anything about my beliefs or even if I have any. Title 7 of CRA 64 clearly states that discrimination on the basis of "race, color, religion, sex, or national origin" in violation of federal law. How you act matters. What you believe and how you feel are different from how you act. But if a student at a university feels a professor is acting with hostility because of his or her race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; then that should be reported.
@matt605 When did making fun of somebody become a crime? Many people make fun of the quacks that predict the end of the world, even before it can be proven wrong, but nobody but them bitches about that. These statements he makes in jest are based on an understanding of how ridiculous certain beliefs are. He is not saying he hates anybody, and if he did, he never acts physically hostile. The first amendment declares the right for freedom of speech, no law can say otherwise.
@PlayLikeAnimal Making fun of people became a crime when those who were made fun of eventually were killed for their religious beliefs. In America, we've had freedom from religious persecution for quite some time. In Europe, they've experienced what unbridled religious hatred morphs into-- mass genocide. It always surprises me when science students fail to realize that disrespect for religious beliefs and indifference to it are where the Holocaust began.
@matt605 ''religious people acting ugly.'' wow u din watch the clip, maybe cause ur scared of the truth. Religion is the true sorce of hatred and IT is hate speech itself.
''check your hatred at the door before entering the workplace.'' Criticism/ridicule of ideas is not hate. You'll never get that point. If socialism was god ordained would it be taboo to mock? Your problem is that you can't separate believers from belief. Hmmm seems like i'm repeating myself.
Also, I could not care less if my reasonable hatred for religious dogma violates federal law, even though it doesn't. Religious people can't reasonably think it's moral to preach to a man on his death bed, or kill any unbelievers, or condemn those with different lifestyles, or even persisting they have the truth when it breaches all sensibility! The list goes on and on. Religion is an insult to every human's intellect, and if getting offended is against federal law, then I can sue your ass.
@PlayLikeAnimal Be sure to check federal law before making conclusions on what is reasonable. Yesterday, a person wrote that discrimination on the basis of religion was not illegal. As I posted elsewhere, I haven't said anything of what I believe or even if I have any beliefs. I am saying that it is illegal to treat people wrongly because of their religious beliefs.
@matt605 And my point remains. Who gives a fuck what the mentally inept say or how they feel based on religious claims? If I beat them because they're stupid, fine, that's obviously wrong, but how most religious define abuse is ridiculous. Whether you're one of them or not, it's retarded. Rational people wouldn't defend such retardation.
@PlayLikeAnimal "Retarded"?? Let's not saddle the mentally retarded with my unpopular beliefs. They have enough challenges as it is. And many rational people do defend the right for others to believe as they choose.
@matt605 Others have witnessed fossils and can show you them. In fact, if you cared enough, you would likely even be able to travel with archaeologists to a dig site and maybe help uncover one, depending on the magnitude of the dig and how nice the scientists are. Gravity is one of a countless number of things that are just as real as evolution, the evidence is just harder to understand, likely because of the vast array of knowledge that is available. I'm ashamed you couldn't grasp what I meant.
@PlayLikeAnimal I understood what you meant. I experience gravity every moment of every day. I accept that gravity is real. I have dug numerous holes in the earth to plant things, and I've never uncovered a fossil. Why should I believe fossils are real? I don't believe that gravity is easier to understand. The merry-go-round spins in a circle and throws things outward, but when the earth spins it pulls things inward. I believe gravity is real, but it isnt obvious.
@matt605 Nonetheless, the evidence IS there, the knowledge IS available. Just because something isn't obvious doesn't mean there is no evidence behind it to determine its likely existence and influence. And no, God does not fall into this category because the evidence is not conclusive or abundant. If nature was explained through science in public and private schooling, we would not have problems like this.
@PlayLikeAnimal "problems like this" What is the problem that you see? Is the problem that you live in a world where all people do not think exactly like you do?
@matt605 From a few of your comments I gathered that you felt the need to impose your opinions on people who watch this video in agreement. "...problems like this." - All that I require of my fellow humans is the ability to separate their personal thoughts, opinions, hopes and dreams from other people's. I don't even care if they subscribe to one of the many religions offered today, but keep your theology to yourself, and defending a "right" contradictory to this, I view it as irrational.
Their claims of god are not supported rationally, and therefore they're holidays and activities that impose on unbelievers can be viewed as intrinsically unethical. Look, I think I'm missing your point. If I don't know WHY you're responding then I'm debating aporia. Can you specify what you think is wrong about this video?
one early proponent, not even mentioned in this lecture, dosent mean anything. Take a look at ontongeny recapitulates phylogony. Otherwise known as Heakles law. In "icons of evolution" it is claimed that Heakles law is mainstream biology. Dosent mention the fact that Heakles law hasnt appeared in a biology text book for 97 years now, but it sure tries to use it as proof that evolution isnt real
@matt. Listen carefully to the lecture. Bushes not ladders. He is not explaining away anything other then the fact that this very lineal representation of evolution, the icon of monkey to man, is incorrect. Man did not evolve from ape, man and ape evolved from a common ancestor. Humor is not hatred and shouldnt be taken as such. Micheals joke about xmas does not suggest anything. Sounds to me like he is trying to plug the skeptics societies books at a lecture that took place just before xmas
@ateroadkill Yes, humor can be hatred. The most common form of hatred in society is the religious, ethnic, or race joke. Where on earth did you ever get the notion that humor is not used by hate groups to denigrate others? If he's plugging books, why must he make a cruel joke about Xmas? Evolutionists have been saying man evolved from apes for more than a century. Why teach a lie?
@matt605 Dude ok the guy was a little rude, and he sounded arrogant and a bit offensive (I think he felt comfortable with the audience) but do not deny the facts that are backed up by tons of documentation and research from millions researchers. Put your emotion aside and listen to what he is saying about the topic itself.
@djlowtek It's not emotion. It's just a recognition that the speaker and event host are hostile toward religious beilevers. In that regard, they are practicioners of hate, in the same category as Hitler and David Duke. Would you learn science from Hitler? Then why would you learn science from someone whose world view is as contaminated as Hitler's was? You should not open your mind to someone that you would not open your home to.
@matt605 Sorry to break it to you, but we learned a lot from the Nazi's and their fucked up experiments, immoral but beneficial to our knowledge. And that knowledge and the products of that knowledge is used in our daily lives, so that kinda nullifies your argument as we use the products and learn from the Nazi's brutality, almost completely unwittingly. Grim truth, man.
@dronatar Nazi scientists who our government protected were beneficial. However, medical experiments conducted on concentration camp internees were still controversial last time I checked. Usually, and this goes for dangerous CIA experiments with LSD and such, the unethical testers are nowhere near the leading edge of science. The notion that ethical testing slows progress is just like those who say energy conservation harms productivity.
@dronatar That's not true though. There's nothing that came out of the weird stuff they did in concentration camps which was of any real use beyond their experimentation with freezing. All the other stuff they did -- mustard gas bullets and other weapons testing, vivisection of twins and such -- was irrelevant.
@BigMikeMcBastard Just a quick example because I can't be arsed providing citations and such. But did you know Hitler was the first person to ever be recorded on a magnetic tape recorder, created the autobahns, computer, invented by Konrad Zuse 1941, Jet plane in 1939 by Heinkel Flugzeugwerke, The first manned rocket flight in 1945, Invented first effective automatic rifle, single person anti-tank weapons (precursors to RPGs), perfected television, there's about a list of 300,000 shall I go on.
@dronatar You were talking about "Nazis and their fucked up experiments" though. Inventing jet aircraft and automatic rifles and stuff didn't have anything to do with the concentration camp stuff. Otherwise, yeah, Germans invented a ton of stuff during WW2. Allies invented some great stuff also. Total war really pushes technology forward.
@BigMikeMcBastard "Then why would you learn science from someone whose world view is as contaminated as Hitler's was" That's what I was addressing. I agreed he was fucked up, but then I also shown the amount of scientific advances that came under his rule of Germany, the ones in which we have borrowed, copyrighted and incorporated into daily life. This is contradictory to the statement and points the individual out as a unwilling/unknowing hypocrite by using this tec, right?
@BigMikeMcBastard P.S as with today, most experiments was done in labs not the CCs. You're right about nothing of intellectual jurisdictions arose from killing people with gas though.... Just sayin'.
@matt605 Just wondering one thing. You have listed in your favorites ''Hitchens tears religion a new one''. So you seem to like that video, but think what Dr. Donald says as hate speech? As for your question would i learn science form Hitler, yes if what he said was true. Many scientist had weird beliefs. Newton believed in alchemy,Joseph Priestley(discoverer of oxygen) believed in phlogiston. Just because your a scientist doesn't mean you can't be a crackpot.
@moh490234890238490 Favorites work like bookmarks, not neccesarily endorsements. How would you know if Hitler was speaking the truth if you didn't know the subject? And it never fails that a student learning science will encounter places that seeemingly conflict with their religious beliefs. When that happens for students of the two professors shown above, they will hit a buzzsaw of hostility that will doom their enthusiasm for the subject, if not their final grade too, and that's illegal.
@matt605 ''How would you know if Hitler was speaking the truth'' Test his ideas, duh. It doesn't matter of he was a terrible person, If it's true it's true. Brilliant ppl have believed in stupid things. Ridiculing ideas to exposes them for what they are: Nonsense. Is not ''hateful''. It's just like this silly term Islamophobia. It's just a way to stop criticism. When an non-theist says the small;est thing about religion you'd think he just slaughtered a puppy. Ridicule is a powerful weapon.
@moh490234890238490 Brilliant people have believed stupid things, but if they believe too many stupid things then they can't teach at a public university. So Prothero and Shemer can hate if they choose, but they violate both the spirit and the letter of American law when they create a hostile learning environment for students based upon the students religious beliefs.
At 35:00 he says Creationists wrongly say Evolutionists arrange the fossil record. But if you look at Huxley's progression, it shows how an early proponent of evolution did just that. Why must he deny the troubled past of evolution science? He's preaching a religion and he must strengthen those wavering in their faith. That's why.
Matt. The information that these scientist bring to us, much like what they presented the great John Paul 2. Its not a fairy tale. It is real. Their work is paramount, and fascinating. It makes me marvel at the reality of it all, and Donald Protheros lecture is no exception. But here is the thing Matt, Dr. Prothero never tries to explain way. He tells us how, and he does this quite remarkably, but he never tries to explain way. And herin lies the difference between science and religion.
@ateroadkill So when he says the march of the hominids is "an unfortunate, early" representation of evolution at 31:20, he is not explaining away one of evolution's fuck-ups? Protheros absolutely does try to explain away problems with evolution, and that makes evolution science a religion like every other religion that explains away, according to your definition. Still, I don't understand why the guy at the beginning makes a joke about Xmas. Must be hate.
Dont be a fool matt605. The ID crowd started this fight with false claims, discredited information, and outright lies. If you watch the entire lecture you will see the importance of the US being at the head of science and technology. Science is not a religion. It is never taken as faith. It is peer reveiwed, and beleive me, scientist just love proving each other wrong. ID is nothing more then a marketing campaign created by a lawyer. Its existance depends on proving modern biology wrong.
@ateroadkill Well if it isn't an attack on religion, then why the funny joke about traditionally exchanging gifts on Newton's Birthday, December 25? I don't buy the notion that evolution is a science where the practicioners love to prove each other wrong. Often, they prefer to prove each other correct, just as the lecturer did in this lengthy video. Evolutionism is a troubled science with a checkered past. It can only beat Young Earth Creationism to look good.
@matt605 I think that Micheal's joke was not ment to offend. As he states the calindric scientist told him "thats not right". Its ok being a person of faith, I am myself. I could not go on without God! But faith and sciecne ask different questions. And his holliness, John Paul 2 made this very clear. Now you may not beleive what the pope, who is about to become a saint, said, but Lohn Paul 2 claimed that evolution is real. He did this because of the hard work done by scientist like Dr. Prothero.
@ateroadkill Too bad he couldn't have clarified that his joke about Xmas was not intended to offend, because the majority of the 1.5 hour presentation contrasts how Creationists, who are mainly Christians in the English-speaking world, are wrong. Evolution is a very weak science. It only looks good when compared to people who say the earth was created 6,000 years ago. There are so many other better subjects that could be learned.
@matt605 I think that Micheal's joke was not ment to offend. As he states the calindric scientist told him "thats not right". Its ok being a person of faith, I am myself. I could not go on without God! But faith and sciecne ask different questions. And his holliness, John Paul 2 made this very clear. Now you may not beleive what the pope, who is about to become a saint, said, but john Paul 2 claimed that evolution is real. He did this because of the hard work done by scientist like Dr. Prothero.
If evolution is so natural and we evolved, it should be so natural for us to accept this as normal. Why does science has to work so hard to convince other ppl about the theory of evolution. If there was no God, I would not want to believe in a God, if came from animals why would I want to believe in God.
With the creationist latter, you just have to draw a stippled line with a new step above the human one, and put a question mark. That step will be humanity 10k years from now.
Humans created God in their own image. Vengeful, bigoted and 'oddly' enough prefer men in power.
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@AGrandt *ladder
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Great information in this video, although the cameraman clearly had no idea what was going on throughout the seminar.
v7DusK 2 weeks ago
stop saying you're from Reddit, it makes you look like a moron.
JackalLaugh 1 month ago 3
@JackalLaugh I'm from Reddit, sire.
swampertkamm85 1 month ago
Okay? Okay!
mxmsfuyt 1 month ago
REDDIT
swampertkamm85 1 month ago
@swampertkamm85 R/ATHEISM FTW
link090909 1 month ago
@link090909 Haha. Front page FTW.
GOGATORSFL 1 month ago
@link090909 Haha. Front page FTW.
GOGATORSFL 1 month ago
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DullDieHard 1 month ago
ungodly people
1DANIELTUBE 1 month ago in playlist evolution/creationism
@1DANIELTUBE lol
nukec 1 month ago
@1DANIELTUBE What an astute observation. They don't believe in god and they understand science, sounds like my kind of people.
epicmonkee 1 month ago
@1DANIELTUBE That would be everyone.
EliteDoomer 1 month ago
If we could embrace religion as a philosophy and look at the bible as having metaphoric content (instead of literal truths), there would be no problem being both religious and scientific. Some people feel that religion without science is just superstition. Evolution is a fact but you can still be impressed with how miraculous it is. Creationists are more politically motivated than they are philosophical. Their agenda is a dangerous one - it's all about control.
Ravenzpeak 1 month ago 5
Yea thats why this guy isnt ever challenged! This makes sense. He doesnt back up what he says he just says its true Wow I really dont feel sorry for the people that believe this guy how hypocritical for sceptics to not say for them not to be sceptical. Hahahahaha I love people who show the obvious.
The86cali 2 months ago
@The86cali There's no reason to be skeptical of facts... Like the fact that you're an idiot.
FoxOutsideBox 1 month ago
I love the Casio keyboard porno shopping music they use in these Skeptical Society vids ;)
amaxamon 3 months ago
I really dont know what to believe, and this is because I am a skeptic! I dont really trust anyone, including the skeptics. Hang around in a hospital for a while and see how much faith you have in science! Or read the Bible and see how much faith you have in that! IDK That much I do trust! IDK
BobsAmazingAdventure 3 months ago
@BobsAmazingAdventure I AGREE. It would be hypocritical to say you do not speculate the so called "Sceptics" I believe in the bible where logic is only consistent with life as we know it. I am even sceptic of my own beliefs but I cant find fault or error within it so I can only agree to believe in it.
The86cali 2 months ago
@The86cali. well said mr idiot. the religious community is proud of you. like billy joe once said, dont want to be an american idiot. only in america can such idiots truly bloom. take a bow champ.
kram83au 2 months ago
@kram83au you should apply your own comment to yourself. you demonstrate it best. hypocrite
The86cali 2 months ago
@The86cali your still an idiot. knocking science while useing science technology. what a moron
kram83au 2 months ago
@kram83au And your still a hypocrite. I love science but evolution is a religion.
The86cali 2 months ago
@The86cali hypocrite . dont use words you dont understand kid. evolution a religion!. oh dear, the toys are being thrown out the pram now. your an idiot that wont except the truth. now get back to your day care centre. your forgiven.
kram83au 2 months ago
@kram83au That was cute!
The86cali 2 months ago
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@The86cali were you listening (both here and in biology or earth science classes in high school)? You have issues; you cherry pick what is comfortable for you in science (this is not honest..) so . your pick; hypocrite or ignoramus ..
daNDayati 2 months ago
When I was just a kid in second grade, the teacher humiliated me in front of the class by casting doubt on my comment about dinosaur eggs. She giggled at me and the ignorant class followed suit. I dont see any of those people now but I am quite sure they have all seen the movie "Jurassic Park" where dinosaur eggs feature quite prominently. I wonder if I flashed through their memories during that scene...
ElijahBailey2000 3 months ago
you know... when thinking of going into a science career, I think ID would be a lot easier...
kelbykross1 3 months ago
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"I don't believe in what I cannot see" has be cited as one of the reasons many prefer to believe in the theory of evolution. But consider the humble paperclip none of us have ever met the man who designed it, yet that does not stop us from reconizing that an intelligent mind must have made it. It wasn't found on an island where it evolved. Now consider a single cell in our bodies much more complex than a paperclip proof of intelligent design
TeDyBearWantsCuddles 4 months ago
@TeDyBearWantsCuddles It's not proof of anything. We are here because it was inevitable.
mavs2147 3 months ago
@TeDyBearWantsCuddles .. and you forgot the magic word (along with all sorts of elemental biology) ... abracadabra! a cell.. proof of magic.. by the by, be humble enough to recognize your ignorance.. (hint; this is not a good place to demonstrate it..) go back to school.. less time in church...
daNDayati 2 months ago
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Example- power of reason vs blind faith in science, albert Einstein was considered during his time, to be one of the greatest scientific minds of his time, why? Because of the mathamatical formular that he DISCOVERED. Notice he discovered, not created. So logical reason would argue mathmatics= intelligent mind ,our earth, the world around us as well as the universe is full of mathamatical principle's proof that a great mind, ie intelligence is behind it, God does exist.
TeDyBearWantsCuddles 4 months ago
@TeDyBearWantsCuddles Science is the best tool ever developed to unlock the mysteries of how the cosmos works. Yes, Einstein discovered special relativity, but no one has discovered any evidence of any deity yet . There is no evidence for any intelligent design. ID is simply a religious belief system to give religious people a false pseudoscientific reason to justify their belief in God.
coolgreyoneabby 3 months ago 12
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You are funny. Stupid but funny. The Science you talk about REQUIRES one to be able to duplicate & predict a given theory. It MUST be repeatable by any other person testing the given theory.
Macro Evolution FAILS the scientific method and cannot be duplicated or predicted.
Macro Evolution is a FAITH based belief system based on TIME. These faith based idiots BELIEVE that give enough time, 1 species can turn into another species. lmao! Fools and dupes
parasitesarefunny 1 month ago
@parasitesarefunny Ironic how you realize that faith and belief are the linchpins for a unsupported belief system, yet you do not see the irony that all religion is based on nothing more than faith and belief. Since science is an evidence based system of inquiry to determine how the universe works, and religion is nothing more than empty belief with no evidence, your argument basically disproves itself.
coolgreyoneabby 1 month ago
@parasitesarefunny To bring this back to the practical, If one species does not evolve into another, Creationists would have to explain why there are no bunnies, dogs, people, rats, horses, cats, bats, birds, platypus, elephant, zebra, or a single mammal of any kind in the cretaceous period. Not one. Why? Answer: They didn't exist yet because they had not evolved yet. What is your answer?
coolgreyoneabby 1 month ago
@coolgreyoneabby
They simply have not been found or they are discarded. There are fossilized humans & even pictures of dinosaurs from thousands of years ago drawn by humans.
Furthermore, there are PLENTY of things alive today that have been alive for what Evolutionists claim is millions of years.
I used to be an Atheist/Evolutionist until I woke up to the lies & deceptions. Funny how Macro Evolution cannot even pass as SCIENCE yet idiots claim it is scientific. lmao!
parasitesarefunny 1 month ago
@parasitesarefunny Wrong. Mammals did not exist during the cretaceous period. To believe that not a single mammal was ever found because they "haven't been found or were discarded" is such a classic case of science denial that you hold no credibility. Your education is embarrassingly lacking. A bit like criticizing Calculus by someone who has not learned arithmetic yet. The "idiots" are not the scientists, but those with religious convictions that make them blind to contradictory evidence.
coolgreyoneabby 1 month ago
@coolgreyoneabby
ROFLAMO! Your logic is hilarious! According to your LOGIC, since so-called Dinosaurs were not found until the mid 1800's the DID NOT exist prior. ROFLMAO!
I graduated Summa Cum Laude & used to BELIEVE in this Macro Evolution bullshit until I realized its not science but faith based bullshit.
Good luck with your ignorance. It's funny to me now, since I used to use this Macro Evolution bullshit to beat religious people over the head. The joke was on me.
parasitesarefunny 1 month ago
@parasitesarefunny Wrong again Bible boy. Just to prove your thinking is as straight as a slinky, When something is discovered in modern times is not the same thing as the geologic time period something was discovered to have lived. Therefore Dinosaurs discovered in the 1800s existed in the Jurassic. Summa cum stupid. Mammals did not exist in the Cretaceous period. Just look it up. It is spelled CRETACEOUS.
coolgreyoneabby 1 month ago
@parasitesarefunny You Creationists are a funny lot. Accept science as long as it does not contradict your magic man in the sky creation myths. Next question after your fail on mammals: If the God created the universe as the Bible said and the Galaxy of Andromeda is millions of light years away, (you can look that factoid up yourself) How can you see it with a simple backyard telescope? If the Bible account was correct, the light would not be here yet. DOH! and on and on.
coolgreyoneabby 1 month ago
@parasitesarefunny
What is exactly is macroevolution? What is the difference between macroevolution and microevolution? What makes micro true and macro not? Only people not familiar with biology use these terms, when they really the same exact thing. What is your science education? What evidence do you have to disprove a theory with enormous amounts of evidence and in which EVERY scientist accepts? Looks like you got your scientific knowledge from Ray Comfort.
FellOnSoundGarden 1 month ago
@parasitesarefunny
"They simply have not been found or they are discarded. There are fossilized humans & even pictures of dinosaurs from thousands of years ago drawn by humans.
Furthermore, there are PLENTY of things alive today that have been alive for what Evolutionists claim is millions of years."
LOL
FellOnSoundGarden 1 month ago
@parasitesarefunny Could you please define Science for us?
adwarakanath 1 month ago
@parasitesarefunny
Where have you studied science? How do you explain vestigial traits like our tailbone, wisdom teeth, appendix(which used to kill 10% of people before 20th century), childhood cancer? How does a creator explain that? How does the simple fact that we have many fossils of different ages spanning billions of years that appear only is in certain times? Weren't all species created on the same day?
FellOnSoundGarden 1 month ago
@TeDyBearWantsCuddles'' faith,'' belief without evidence. take a bow champ[wink]
kram83au 2 months ago
@TeDyBearWantsCuddles as do thousands of other competing god(s).. (now which one did the universe thing?)
daNDayati 2 months ago
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Question- how many people who believe in THE THEORY of evolution, have actually investigated by HONEST research to prove to themselves weither this THEORY is correct ( it's like so many people who belong to a particular religion, they are taught never to question it , just accept it
TeDyBearWantsCuddles 4 months ago
@TeDyBearWantsCuddles you do... every time you fill your gas tank.. evolution (and paleontology ) predicts where hydrocarbon deposit are.. ref: USING MICROFOSSILS IN PETROLEUM EXPLORATION by BRIAN J. O'NEILL U of Calif Berkeley. .. hey.. you don't believe... then don't fill up.. I believe in evolution.. Hallelujah! (it works.. stop being an idiot)..
daNDayati 2 months ago
Anyone? Is there a College with a Paleontology Course that allows small birds? Please respond, thanks!
FinalSlit 4 months ago
I highly recommend Prothero's 2007 book on this subject: Evolution: What The Fossils Say And Why It Matters. Scientists are generally poor at communicating science to the public; that is why pseudoscientific garbage like ID is able to get a hold. We need more scientists like Prothero.
chansetwo 5 months ago 19
@chansetwo I second the endorsement for Prothero's book; it is probably the single best reource for understanding the case for evolution as it is attested in the fossil record. For the case from molecular biology, I recommend "The Making of the Fittest: DNA and the Ultimate Forensic Evidence for Evolution" by Sean B. Carroll.
maxhardcase 3 weeks ago
Fossil layers in the earth are not found in the sequence taught by evolutionists in textbooks, and there are no indisputable transitional forms in the fossil record. Read my Internet article: ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD?
Mogley52 5 months ago
@Mogley52 What journal is it published in? I'll read it there.
tombloom99 5 months ago
@Mogley52 Just like Prothero said you creationist will deny faunal succession, in spite of the fact that it is confirmed by geologist, including creationist geologist, and is the main tool used in determining how old the rocks are in order to drill for gas and oil. So stop driving your car mogley. I you want to live in the dark ages do it on your own.
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Dawkins won't debate with creationists who are scientists, such as the scientists at ICR, The Institure for Creation Research. Ask him why? Read my Internet article: ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH.
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible in nature (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). Besides, species couldn't have survived with vital tissues, organs, biological systems still evolving? I discuss Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA." Read Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
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Hitlerian-styled eugenics was about improving the populace thru racial hygiene. The sermons of Darwin, Dawkins, Cousteau, Ted Turner, Margaret Sanger, Jane Goodall, Paul Ehrlich, the Huxleys, H.G. Wells, Elizabeth Regina's husband, Buffet, Bill Gates etc. humanely stress the reduction of humanity thru weaponized serums, laboratory-fabricated viruses (pathogens), perpetual war, food & water shortages/rationing, deindustrialization & aborticides. Eugenics is now "bio-ethics" & "sustainability."
KenyanObama 6 months ago
I have heard this repeatedly. What an effortless delivery. I would love to meet Donald. In his subject he must be a fascinating wealth of knowledge.
Outstanding.
Niall646 6 months ago 2
The music and presentation in the intro makes me think about mid 90s sex eduction videos.
majicKsaa 6 months ago
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fithosss 6 months ago
What a bunch of godless zombies.
Right, pour Hydrogen into space, wait, and soon godless zombies will abound. Pathetic.
Darwin himself would call you morons to your own face for how you've perverted his ideas. Apeshit science fans, benzodiazepine pushers which have caused countless horrific murders. Go idiots. Huddle here and congratulate yourselves.
loonpolice1 6 months ago
@loonpolice1 your an idiot
ateroadkill 6 months ago
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DullDieHard 1 month ago
The greatest misconception that leads to a misunderstanding of the evolutionary theory is that there is such a thing as an "evolutionary ladder".
LoquaciousApe 6 months ago 2
As interesting as this is, I hate seeing these brilliant minds wasting their time refuting stupid idiots who can't accept facts!
kusalaviro 7 months ago 2
Tl;dw skip to 12:30 for Prothero
ixat00 7 months ago
Is that AronRa asking about the schoolboards?
lloqm 7 months ago
Had to stop reading these comments when Godwin's law kicked in about 40--100 comments down started.
Other than that good video
finderfinder100 7 months ago
Intro song is what i listen to on my mp3 player.
Squinch24 7 months ago
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Blizzard56k 7 months ago
Anyone notice Charles Darwin in the wheelchair?
ateroadkill 7 months ago
Great video, but am I the only one who thinks he sounds like Norm McDonald?
tjweiler1 7 months ago
can i get a "mkay" count
lejink 7 months ago
your delusional Matt. There isnt any hatred in this lecture. What do you want them to do go to sunday school with you and sing "kum- biya"?
ateroadkill 7 months ago 2
Skip to about 12:00 to avoid Shermer's ego rants and ramblings to get to the good stuff.
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If after all this you don't accept evolution I have bad news for you..
chestbuster1987 7 months ago 2
Oh my god that intro music, I fully expected the first scene to be a blonde with big boobs answering the door to a man with a dodgy mustache who says "Hi, I'm here to fix your plumbing" bow chicka wow wow.
gpdl00355 7 months ago
AMEN for evolution :P
danielmartinex 7 months ago 2
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danielmartinex 7 months ago
That is bloody awesome! Dec 25 is Newtons birthday 'celebrate by giving sciencey gifts'.
TheStrangeControl 7 months ago
"If humans evolve from ape... how come there are still apes around?
- Well, some of them were given choices." :)
fiesta181 7 months ago 13
@fiesta181 I liked that too. My latest fave is: If Americans came from Europeans. Why is there still Europeans?
pumpstations 7 months ago 2
@fiesta181 This argument is so stupid it hurts my brain! Only a small percentage of our ape ancestors evolved into modern day humans. We know all dogs share a common ancestor with the wolf. There are still wolves around, how can this be?? I guess all breeds of dogs were all along...
Cajunninja65 5 months ago
@Cajunninja65 what does BS stand for?
fiesta181 5 months ago
@fiesta181 Bull Shit
Cajunninja65 5 months ago
@Cajunninja65
lol, okay.
fiesta181 5 months ago
@Cajunninja65 .
Brain Storm
Boy Scouts
Bad Science ;-) lol
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@Cajunninja65 .
Brain Storm
Boy Scouts
Bad Science ;-) lol
ncwdane 4 months ago
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And I'm sorry about that. That was not an argument.
fiesta181 5 months ago
@fiesta181 Firstly, man did not evolve from modern apes. Man and modern apes share a common ancestor, which is extinct. However, you also have a flawed understanding of how evolution works. Perhaps you shoul dhave paid closer attention to the video.
teKawaare 5 months ago
@fiesta181 Evolution is not a straight line, where entire populations change into new species all at the same time. In many instances a small group breaks away from a population and begins to evolve independently of the source group. The source group does not need to go extinct, and is generally unaffected by the development of the smaller group.
teKawaare 5 months ago
@fiesta181 This is called "Allopatric Speciation," and it is just one of many ways that new species can evolve. There is nothing in evolutionary theory which states a source population must go extinct in order for new species to evolve.
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fiesta181 5 months ago
If you don't understand evolution after that you weren't listening
sambricky 7 months ago 13
@sambricky I know! The vast majority of people who think evolution is BS haven't taken the time to actually know what it means or how it works. I just asked if it makes you mad when you hear somebody say that the theory of evolution is stupid on yahoo answers and the 3 people that answered said no and that evolution was BS. I asked this in the biology section where I thought intelligent people would be...apparently I was wrong
Cajunninja65 5 months ago
That intro is straight out of the eighties...lol...worse than some tacky creationist (bullshit) vids ...please skeptics, lets have the edge aesthetically as well as intellectually!!
PolemicisTdotNet 8 months ago
'Its basically all crap'...and he calls himself a scientist and uses the prefix Dr!
TREACLE97 8 months ago
at this point matt i think you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. If you dont understand the science, and you dont like the lecture, then dont watch it.
ateroadkill 8 months ago
@ateroadkill Why do they hate religion?
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 He hates creationist liars.
moh490234890238490 7 months ago
@moh490234890238490 Then why the joke about Christmas? And why does apologizes for errors that science makes, but castigates for errors creationists make. Isn't that wrongly taking sides when he should just present the science? I mean, it's okay if hates religion, we permit hate speech here in America. It's just that he needs to be honest about it.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 creationist's don't make mistakes, everything they say is calculated. They Quote mine, put words in the mouth of dead ppl and much more. They're repeat the same nonsense in there lectures and dvd's, but will never appear in a court of law and say them. Creationist are liars plain and simple. As for the Christmas joke, he doesn't care/like religion. BTW don't equate religion with ethnicity or gender. Those things are not choices. Is someone hateful for criticizing your political belief?
moh490234890238490 7 months ago 2
@moh490234890238490 Yes, religion is very much like ethnicity, race, and gender. It's okay if they are practicioners of hate-- hate speech is permitted in America. We just are certain to identify them as such. For example, people who hold religious beliefs would likely be mistreated by these professors were their religious affiliations made when testing. Title VII of the 65 CRA prohibits discrimination on the the basis of race, creed, religion, and other factors.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 Somone make fun of a belief system is not hate speech, just like someone making fun of your political belief isn't. If he made a joke you didn't like suck it up, you live in a country with free speech and your gonna hear things you don't like.BTW who decides what is hateful speech? The claims of religion are very offensive to me. When i hear how i'm going to hell because i don't believe like they do i'm very offended, but i brush it aside and don't cry hate speech.
moh490234890238490 7 months ago
@moh490234890238490 And I support your right to not pay attention to hate speech. However, when the hate is coming from a professor, such as these men are, then it creates a hostile academic environment that is prejudicial to those who hold relligious beliefs. Title 7 of the 64 CRA prohibits discrimination on the basis of, "race, color, religion, sex, or national origin." Your belief that religion isn't protected legally is bogus and should not be repeated. Thanks.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 Yes it protects you from being discriminated against, but it doesn't prevent ppl from making fun of what you BELIEVE. It's just a way to silence criticism. If you believe in silly things then your gonna deal with some ridicule. You can't legislate ''hate speech'' because who is gonna decide what is hateful and who is the harmful speaker. if you can't take a joke that just show's that your not strong in your ''faith''. Jokes are not hate speech and nothing can be ''hate speech''.
moh490234890238490 7 months ago
@moh490234890238490 It surprises me how many people believe that jokes don't count as hate speech, when we all know that racist and sexist jokes are exactly that. A student who is there to learn science should have the opportunity to do just that without feeling that their race, color, religion, sex, or national origin is treated with hostility by the university through its employee, the professor.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 Nothing is more hateful than threatening people with eternal torture for not believing. Based on this one point alone, Christianity is the most disrespectful and offensive belief system ever to exist. Religon's are ideas, and just like any idea are not immune from criticism or ridicule. Srry but the says of religion being shielded, immune are over. Religion has had it it's way for far to long and now that ppl are fighting back you cry hate speech and its just pathetic.
moh490234890238490 7 months ago 2
@moh490234890238490 Once again i'd i'll have to repeat myself.
''Nothing is more hateful than threatening people with eternal torture for not believing. Based on this one point alone, Christianity is the most disrespectful and offensive belief system ever to exist.''
So should my teacher be fired because he has this belief? Should the bible be censored or banned form campuses? If you have the truth nothing should be able to faze you. Your going to heaven after all. Srry u cant have it ur way.
moh490234890238490 7 months ago
@moh490234890238490 Well you do have a free right to hate and to speak, but you don't have a free right to practice your hatred at the work place. And a professor's work place is in the lecture hall. So they need to park their religious hatred outside before they enter a lecture hall in America. Maybe you should see a medical professional to determine if your hatred is pathological or can be treated.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 If a highschool teacher mentioned that santa isn't real and somebody claimed that they were offended, do you think that it would be justified for the teacher to apologize to all his students by mandate of the school? NO, because rational person would understand that somebody ignoring the available resources to lower the potentiality of santa, should not be offended when a claim based on that evidence is made. I've been laughed at for thinking santa is real. I got pissed. I was wrong.
PlayLikeAnimal 7 months ago
@PlayLikeAnimal As a minor, your course of action would have been through your parents.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 I got made fun of by my friends, that teacher-student story never happened to me. I just saying, if somebody believes that gravity isn't real but refuses to see the evidence I have supporting it, then I believe that I would have every right to use a university (a place that teaches REALITY) to downplay the unrealistic beliefs.
PlayLikeAnimal 7 months ago
@PlayLikeAnimal Oh yes, the gravity thing. I experience gravity all the time. I've dug many holes in the ground and never uncovered a fossil. Since I have experienced gravity every day but never dug up a fossil, would I be justified in saying gravity exists but fossils do not?
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 Here's a 9 min video i'd like you to watch. You tell me who's being hateful in this vid.
/watch?v=JUaCXipss-I
moh490234890238490 7 months ago
@moh490234890238490 No I don't to watch it. I gotta go. See a doctor about your hate. Maybe they have a pill and a diagnosis that can help.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 You don't want to watch cause it will expose you as the idiot you are. This vid clearly shows that religion itself is hate speech and ppl mocking it is perfectly ok. I guess you have nothing more to say. You've been thoroughly shown as a self righteous whiner.
moh490234890238490 7 months ago
@moh490234890238490 I'll take your word for it that the clip shows religious people acting ugly. You should be sure that you check your hatred at the door before entering the workplace. To discriminate on the basis of religion is a violation of federal law. The professors above should not have used public university space and time to advance their hatred of religion. Take care. I enjoyed exchanging ideas with you.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605
Unfortunately for you, the religious community does such a good job of lying to their children that the first job of teaching science has to be unteaching bronze age myths. Its not that religion is hated, it's that on this count it's wrong and common, and as such needs to be thoroughly refuted before learning can continue. If teaching the literal history of a religion is hateful, it's the religion that's full of hate, not the teacher.
rkyeun 7 months ago
@rkyeun Why is that unfortunate for me? Teach science in science class. And keep your hatreds of all types out of the workplace.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605
It's unfortunate for you because you see this as hate speech.
rkyeun 7 months ago
@rkyeun How exactly does that work? I see Shermer's joke about Xmas as inappropriate hate speech and Prothero's apologizing for evolution and castigating creationists as hate speech directed at religious believers. How does that harm me? Were you about to give me a prize because I agreed with them?
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 Fuck you, fuck your irrationality, fuck your god, fuck religion, fuck stupidity, fuck the fact that you can't objectify yourself enough to understand that the concept of evolution, fuck the idea that just because somebody can't explain a few things right now that it warrants a supernatural explanation with no evidence behind it. THAT IS HATE SPEECH. I HATE YOU AND EVERYBODY LIKE YOU. That doesn't change the fact that my argument holds the most scientific and realistic grounding. WIN.
PlayLikeAnimal 7 months ago
@PlayLikeAnimal I haven't said anything about my beliefs or even if I have any. Title 7 of CRA 64 clearly states that discrimination on the basis of "race, color, religion, sex, or national origin" in violation of federal law. How you act matters. What you believe and how you feel are different from how you act. But if a student at a university feels a professor is acting with hostility because of his or her race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; then that should be reported.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 When did making fun of somebody become a crime? Many people make fun of the quacks that predict the end of the world, even before it can be proven wrong, but nobody but them bitches about that. These statements he makes in jest are based on an understanding of how ridiculous certain beliefs are. He is not saying he hates anybody, and if he did, he never acts physically hostile. The first amendment declares the right for freedom of speech, no law can say otherwise.
PlayLikeAnimal 7 months ago
@PlayLikeAnimal Making fun of people became a crime when those who were made fun of eventually were killed for their religious beliefs. In America, we've had freedom from religious persecution for quite some time. In Europe, they've experienced what unbridled religious hatred morphs into-- mass genocide. It always surprises me when science students fail to realize that disrespect for religious beliefs and indifference to it are where the Holocaust began.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 ''religious people acting ugly.'' wow u din watch the clip, maybe cause ur scared of the truth. Religion is the true sorce of hatred and IT is hate speech itself.
''check your hatred at the door before entering the workplace.'' Criticism/ridicule of ideas is not hate. You'll never get that point. If socialism was god ordained would it be taboo to mock? Your problem is that you can't separate believers from belief. Hmmm seems like i'm repeating myself.
moh490234890238490 7 months ago
Also, I could not care less if my reasonable hatred for religious dogma violates federal law, even though it doesn't. Religious people can't reasonably think it's moral to preach to a man on his death bed, or kill any unbelievers, or condemn those with different lifestyles, or even persisting they have the truth when it breaches all sensibility! The list goes on and on. Religion is an insult to every human's intellect, and if getting offended is against federal law, then I can sue your ass.
PlayLikeAnimal 7 months ago
@PlayLikeAnimal Be sure to check federal law before making conclusions on what is reasonable. Yesterday, a person wrote that discrimination on the basis of religion was not illegal. As I posted elsewhere, I haven't said anything of what I believe or even if I have any beliefs. I am saying that it is illegal to treat people wrongly because of their religious beliefs.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 And my point remains. Who gives a fuck what the mentally inept say or how they feel based on religious claims? If I beat them because they're stupid, fine, that's obviously wrong, but how most religious define abuse is ridiculous. Whether you're one of them or not, it's retarded. Rational people wouldn't defend such retardation.
PlayLikeAnimal 7 months ago
@PlayLikeAnimal "Retarded"?? Let's not saddle the mentally retarded with my unpopular beliefs. They have enough challenges as it is. And many rational people do defend the right for others to believe as they choose.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 Others have witnessed fossils and can show you them. In fact, if you cared enough, you would likely even be able to travel with archaeologists to a dig site and maybe help uncover one, depending on the magnitude of the dig and how nice the scientists are. Gravity is one of a countless number of things that are just as real as evolution, the evidence is just harder to understand, likely because of the vast array of knowledge that is available. I'm ashamed you couldn't grasp what I meant.
PlayLikeAnimal 7 months ago
@PlayLikeAnimal I understood what you meant. I experience gravity every moment of every day. I accept that gravity is real. I have dug numerous holes in the earth to plant things, and I've never uncovered a fossil. Why should I believe fossils are real? I don't believe that gravity is easier to understand. The merry-go-round spins in a circle and throws things outward, but when the earth spins it pulls things inward. I believe gravity is real, but it isnt obvious.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 Nonetheless, the evidence IS there, the knowledge IS available. Just because something isn't obvious doesn't mean there is no evidence behind it to determine its likely existence and influence. And no, God does not fall into this category because the evidence is not conclusive or abundant. If nature was explained through science in public and private schooling, we would not have problems like this.
PlayLikeAnimal 7 months ago
@PlayLikeAnimal "problems like this" What is the problem that you see? Is the problem that you live in a world where all people do not think exactly like you do?
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 From a few of your comments I gathered that you felt the need to impose your opinions on people who watch this video in agreement. "...problems like this." - All that I require of my fellow humans is the ability to separate their personal thoughts, opinions, hopes and dreams from other people's. I don't even care if they subscribe to one of the many religions offered today, but keep your theology to yourself, and defending a "right" contradictory to this, I view it as irrational.
PlayLikeAnimal 7 months ago
@matt605 Part 2 -
Their claims of god are not supported rationally, and therefore they're holidays and activities that impose on unbelievers can be viewed as intrinsically unethical. Look, I think I'm missing your point. If I don't know WHY you're responding then I'm debating aporia. Can you specify what you think is wrong about this video?
PlayLikeAnimal 7 months ago
one early proponent, not even mentioned in this lecture, dosent mean anything. Take a look at ontongeny recapitulates phylogony. Otherwise known as Heakles law. In "icons of evolution" it is claimed that Heakles law is mainstream biology. Dosent mention the fact that Heakles law hasnt appeared in a biology text book for 97 years now, but it sure tries to use it as proof that evolution isnt real
ateroadkill 8 months ago
@matt. Listen carefully to the lecture. Bushes not ladders. He is not explaining away anything other then the fact that this very lineal representation of evolution, the icon of monkey to man, is incorrect. Man did not evolve from ape, man and ape evolved from a common ancestor. Humor is not hatred and shouldnt be taken as such. Micheals joke about xmas does not suggest anything. Sounds to me like he is trying to plug the skeptics societies books at a lecture that took place just before xmas
ateroadkill 8 months ago
@ateroadkill Yes, humor can be hatred. The most common form of hatred in society is the religious, ethnic, or race joke. Where on earth did you ever get the notion that humor is not used by hate groups to denigrate others? If he's plugging books, why must he make a cruel joke about Xmas? Evolutionists have been saying man evolved from apes for more than a century. Why teach a lie?
matt605 8 months ago
@matt605 Dude ok the guy was a little rude, and he sounded arrogant and a bit offensive (I think he felt comfortable with the audience) but do not deny the facts that are backed up by tons of documentation and research from millions researchers. Put your emotion aside and listen to what he is saying about the topic itself.
djlowtek 7 months ago
@djlowtek It's not emotion. It's just a recognition that the speaker and event host are hostile toward religious beilevers. In that regard, they are practicioners of hate, in the same category as Hitler and David Duke. Would you learn science from Hitler? Then why would you learn science from someone whose world view is as contaminated as Hitler's was? You should not open your mind to someone that you would not open your home to.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 Sorry to break it to you, but we learned a lot from the Nazi's and their fucked up experiments, immoral but beneficial to our knowledge. And that knowledge and the products of that knowledge is used in our daily lives, so that kinda nullifies your argument as we use the products and learn from the Nazi's brutality, almost completely unwittingly. Grim truth, man.
dronatar 7 months ago
@dronatar Nazi scientists who our government protected were beneficial. However, medical experiments conducted on concentration camp internees were still controversial last time I checked. Usually, and this goes for dangerous CIA experiments with LSD and such, the unethical testers are nowhere near the leading edge of science. The notion that ethical testing slows progress is just like those who say energy conservation harms productivity.
matt605 7 months ago
@dronatar That's not true though. There's nothing that came out of the weird stuff they did in concentration camps which was of any real use beyond their experimentation with freezing. All the other stuff they did -- mustard gas bullets and other weapons testing, vivisection of twins and such -- was irrelevant.
BigMikeMcBastard 7 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Just a quick example because I can't be arsed providing citations and such. But did you know Hitler was the first person to ever be recorded on a magnetic tape recorder, created the autobahns, computer, invented by Konrad Zuse 1941, Jet plane in 1939 by Heinkel Flugzeugwerke, The first manned rocket flight in 1945, Invented first effective automatic rifle, single person anti-tank weapons (precursors to RPGs), perfected television, there's about a list of 300,000 shall I go on.
dronatar 7 months ago
@dronatar You were talking about "Nazis and their fucked up experiments" though. Inventing jet aircraft and automatic rifles and stuff didn't have anything to do with the concentration camp stuff. Otherwise, yeah, Germans invented a ton of stuff during WW2. Allies invented some great stuff also. Total war really pushes technology forward.
BigMikeMcBastard 7 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard "Then why would you learn science from someone whose world view is as contaminated as Hitler's was" That's what I was addressing. I agreed he was fucked up, but then I also shown the amount of scientific advances that came under his rule of Germany, the ones in which we have borrowed, copyrighted and incorporated into daily life. This is contradictory to the statement and points the individual out as a unwilling/unknowing hypocrite by using this tec, right?
dronatar 7 months ago
@BigMikeMcBastard P.S as with today, most experiments was done in labs not the CCs. You're right about nothing of intellectual jurisdictions arose from killing people with gas though.... Just sayin'.
dronatar 7 months ago
@matt605 Just wondering one thing. You have listed in your favorites ''Hitchens tears religion a new one''. So you seem to like that video, but think what Dr. Donald says as hate speech? As for your question would i learn science form Hitler, yes if what he said was true. Many scientist had weird beliefs. Newton believed in alchemy,Joseph Priestley(discoverer of oxygen) believed in phlogiston. Just because your a scientist doesn't mean you can't be a crackpot.
moh490234890238490 7 months ago
@moh490234890238490 Favorites work like bookmarks, not neccesarily endorsements. How would you know if Hitler was speaking the truth if you didn't know the subject? And it never fails that a student learning science will encounter places that seeemingly conflict with their religious beliefs. When that happens for students of the two professors shown above, they will hit a buzzsaw of hostility that will doom their enthusiasm for the subject, if not their final grade too, and that's illegal.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 ''How would you know if Hitler was speaking the truth'' Test his ideas, duh. It doesn't matter of he was a terrible person, If it's true it's true. Brilliant ppl have believed in stupid things. Ridiculing ideas to exposes them for what they are: Nonsense. Is not ''hateful''. It's just like this silly term Islamophobia. It's just a way to stop criticism. When an non-theist says the small;est thing about religion you'd think he just slaughtered a puppy. Ridicule is a powerful weapon.
moh490234890238490 7 months ago
@moh490234890238490 Brilliant people have believed stupid things, but if they believe too many stupid things then they can't teach at a public university. So Prothero and Shemer can hate if they choose, but they violate both the spirit and the letter of American law when they create a hostile learning environment for students based upon the students religious beliefs.
matt605 7 months ago
At 35:00 he says Creationists wrongly say Evolutionists arrange the fossil record. But if you look at Huxley's progression, it shows how an early proponent of evolution did just that. Why must he deny the troubled past of evolution science? He's preaching a religion and he must strengthen those wavering in their faith. That's why.
matt605 8 months ago
Matt. The information that these scientist bring to us, much like what they presented the great John Paul 2. Its not a fairy tale. It is real. Their work is paramount, and fascinating. It makes me marvel at the reality of it all, and Donald Protheros lecture is no exception. But here is the thing Matt, Dr. Prothero never tries to explain way. He tells us how, and he does this quite remarkably, but he never tries to explain way. And herin lies the difference between science and religion.
ateroadkill 9 months ago
@ateroadkill So when he says the march of the hominids is "an unfortunate, early" representation of evolution at 31:20, he is not explaining away one of evolution's fuck-ups? Protheros absolutely does try to explain away problems with evolution, and that makes evolution science a religion like every other religion that explains away, according to your definition. Still, I don't understand why the guy at the beginning makes a joke about Xmas. Must be hate.
matt605 8 months ago
Dont be a fool matt605. The ID crowd started this fight with false claims, discredited information, and outright lies. If you watch the entire lecture you will see the importance of the US being at the head of science and technology. Science is not a religion. It is never taken as faith. It is peer reveiwed, and beleive me, scientist just love proving each other wrong. ID is nothing more then a marketing campaign created by a lawyer. Its existance depends on proving modern biology wrong.
ateroadkill 9 months ago
@ateroadkill Well if it isn't an attack on religion, then why the funny joke about traditionally exchanging gifts on Newton's Birthday, December 25? I don't buy the notion that evolution is a science where the practicioners love to prove each other wrong. Often, they prefer to prove each other correct, just as the lecturer did in this lengthy video. Evolutionism is a troubled science with a checkered past. It can only beat Young Earth Creationism to look good.
matt605 9 months ago
@matt605 I think that Micheal's joke was not ment to offend. As he states the calindric scientist told him "thats not right". Its ok being a person of faith, I am myself. I could not go on without God! But faith and sciecne ask different questions. And his holliness, John Paul 2 made this very clear. Now you may not beleive what the pope, who is about to become a saint, said, but Lohn Paul 2 claimed that evolution is real. He did this because of the hard work done by scientist like Dr. Prothero.
ateroadkill 9 months ago
@ateroadkill Too bad he couldn't have clarified that his joke about Xmas was not intended to offend, because the majority of the 1.5 hour presentation contrasts how Creationists, who are mainly Christians in the English-speaking world, are wrong. Evolution is a very weak science. It only looks good when compared to people who say the earth was created 6,000 years ago. There are so many other better subjects that could be learned.
matt605 9 months ago
@matt605 I think that Micheal's joke was not ment to offend. As he states the calindric scientist told him "thats not right". Its ok being a person of faith, I am myself. I could not go on without God! But faith and sciecne ask different questions. And his holliness, John Paul 2 made this very clear. Now you may not beleive what the pope, who is about to become a saint, said, but john Paul 2 claimed that evolution is real. He did this because of the hard work done by scientist like Dr. Prothero.
ateroadkill 9 months ago
scientist just hate religion so they wont stop trying to prove it wrong. also they hide evidence that they find that could harm their beliefs
qBl1NDp 9 months ago
1:37:54
Darwin? O_O
cillaing 9 months ago
If evolution is so natural and we evolved, it should be so natural for us to accept this as normal. Why does science has to work so hard to convince other ppl about the theory of evolution. If there was no God, I would not want to believe in a God, if came from animals why would I want to believe in God.
cmpresents 9 months ago