The number of chromosomes of a species has little to do with the complexity of the organism or the amount of DNA. Jackrabbits, hares, cultivated tobacco, and most types of potato also have 48 chromosomes. Does that mean jackrabbits, hares, tobacco, and potatoes came from our magical common ancestor too? Obviously not. Guppies, like humans, also have 46 chromosomes. Obviously no relation there. Chromosome count is irrelevant towards proving Evolution.
However, human chromosome 2 is an end-to-end fusion. This occurs in nature resulting in cell death and cancer cell immortalization. No gamete could survive this.
All Miller has proven is that 46 mating with 48 would produce 47, i.e. a human mating with an ape could have produced a hominid.
Evolution would need two inbreeding mutants with 47 to attempt to produce 46.
Hybridization of 46 (humans) with 48 (apes, probably Ardipithicus) would have produced 47 (probably Australopithicus). Continued hybridization with humans would have produced something like Neanderthal, and the most recent evidence (from lots of Phd) supports this.theory.
@Mdebacle i think you are mistaken on several fronts.
no one actually can pinpoint when iknows when the fusion of chromosome 2 happened. and, remember in meiosis in humans, causes 23 chromosomes to get passed to the next generation. In apes, its 24 chromosomes.
so at some point in the passed apes went from 24 to humans with 23. When the human egg is fertilized, 23+23=46. tah-dah
@Mdebacle I just realized you are wrong again on the "fusion of chromosome causing death". Evolution is an amazing process -- check out this nat geo clip (watch?v=g0D_k4lYrdo) which explains how humans are actually missing base pairs. a trait which has allowed our brains to grow larger compared with other apes
@Mdebacle sorry, I did not catch the number of years of research you have done as either a paleontologist, anthropologist or biologist to make that assertion. I do have an honours degree in Biology but have long left the field -- but I still know your statement is a blatant lie.
For one thing, based on your previous comments, you know nothing of biology -- you did not even know that Meiosis halves the number of chromosomes for reproduction. I remember that from grade 10!
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The number of chromosomes of a species has little to do with the complexity of the organism or the amount of DNA. Jackrabbits, hares, cultivated tobacco, and most types of potato also have 48 chromosomes. Does that mean jackrabbits, hares, tobacco, and potatoes came from our magical common ancestor too? Obviously not. Guppies, like humans, also have 46 chromosomes. Obviously no relation there. Chromosome count is irrelevant towards proving Evolution.
razorxcom 1 year ago
(contd) remember that humans inherit 2 sets of 23chromosomes from their parents. Its simple high school biology.
arp76 1 year ago
Miller refers to Robertsonian translocation,
However, human chromosome 2 is an end-to-end fusion. This occurs in nature resulting in cell death and cancer cell immortalization. No gamete could survive this.
All Miller has proven is that 46 mating with 48 would produce 47, i.e. a human mating with an ape could have produced a hominid.
Mdebacle 2 years ago
@Mdebacle I'll trust Miller -- he has the PhD
arp76 1 year ago
@arp76
Miller has the PhD, but lost his rationality.
Hybridization would not turn 48 into 46.
Evolution would need two inbreeding mutants with 47 to attempt to produce 46.
Hybridization of 46 (humans) with 48 (apes, probably Ardipithicus) would have produced 47 (probably Australopithicus). Continued hybridization with humans would have produced something like Neanderthal, and the most recent evidence (from lots of Phd) supports this.theory.
Mdebacle 1 year ago
@Mdebacle i think you are mistaken on several fronts.
no one actually can pinpoint when iknows when the fusion of chromosome 2 happened. and, remember in meiosis in humans, causes 23 chromosomes to get passed to the next generation. In apes, its 24 chromosomes.
so at some point in the passed apes went from 24 to humans with 23. When the human egg is fertilized, 23+23=46. tah-dah
arp76 1 year ago
@Mdebacle I just realized you are wrong again on the "fusion of chromosome causing death". Evolution is an amazing process -- check out this nat geo clip (watch?v=g0D_k4lYrdo) which explains how humans are actually missing base pairs. a trait which has allowed our brains to grow larger compared with other apes
arp76 1 year ago
@arp76
The video you reference says:
Australopithicus with skull crest
had a "gene mutation, (not saying how many base pairs)
that in one generation had 10 times less jaw strength,
then "had to find anoyther way",
and grew brain size 50% into Homo Erectus.
The flaw in all this is that it cannot explain how a big brain could develop in time, or how many new base pairs would be required.
Hybridization is the answer. Human and australopithicus bestiality produced it in one generation.
Mdebacle 1 year ago
@Mdebacle sorry, I did not catch the number of years of research you have done as either a paleontologist, anthropologist or biologist to make that assertion. I do have an honours degree in Biology but have long left the field -- but I still know your statement is a blatant lie.
For one thing, based on your previous comments, you know nothing of biology -- you did not even know that Meiosis halves the number of chromosomes for reproduction. I remember that from grade 10!
arp76 1 year ago
@arp76
It is Miller, in person, who in this video intoduces hybridization of different chromosome numbers; and, as you said, Miller has the PhD.
Mdebacle 1 year ago
@Mdebacle you need to take high school bio
arp76 1 year ago